nations rights of itu's authority over the net, itu officials have publicly declared that the itu does not intend to regulate internet governance while also saying that any regulations should be of the light-touch variety. but which is it? it is not possible to insulate the internet from new rules while also establishing a light-touch regulatory regime. either a new legal paradigm will emerge in december or it won't. the choice is binary. additionally, as a threshold matter, it is curious that itu officials have been opining on the outcome of the treaty negotiation. the itu's member states determine the fate of any new rules, not itu leadership or staff. i remain hopeful that the diplomatic process will not be subverted in this regard. as a matter of process and substance, patient and persistent incrementalism is the net's most dangerous enemy, and incrementalism is the tactical hallmark of in countries that are pushing the pro-regulation agenda. specifically, some itu officials and member states have been discussing an alleged worldwide phone numbering crisis. it seems that the world

the itu generates revenue from having civil society group, non-voting member states, join the itu for i think about $35,000, the equivalent thereof, a way of generating money for the itu and then can you get certain documents. i've found it difficult actually even nor my office to get some itu documents. you kind of have to know somebody, and i'm part of the u.s. government, the last time i checked. so i do think this is something itu needs to work on and i have every faith in ambassador verveer and the incoming ambassador to wict to address that issue. >> i guess this is a follow-up and ton what you just said. there are also some recommendations i think in some of the testimony from the second panel that the itu should have some nongovernmental voting members. is that something that you would agree should happen? fanned not, there musting inaboy for them 0 to have some significant way of participating in the discussion? >> well, the itu follows the general u.n. model of having nation states as the voting members. the greatest generation worked out for us, and there are -- there are o

baird, his knowledge of the itu is encyclopedic. my spouse said to me dick knows where the bodies are buried. your phone's going to ring more than you want because now everybody in television land knows this as well. so, several people have alluded to, this is one of those rare kumbaya moments and u.s. policy making where everyone, government, industry, civil society, right, left, center, agree wholeheartedly that the itu's jurisdiction should not expand to encome pause internet egglation or government. some of the proposals though not fully baked as mr. baird said that we heard about, if they were to come to fruition would do great damage to the open and decentralized internet that we know and love and that is a great engine for economic growth and education and health care and all of the great things that we love about it. now, among the many reasons why this jurisdiction shouldn't expand is that the itu is highly politicized and also grossly undemocratic. one of the things, i'm not sure was mentioned today, was that in the itu, a

there has been an itu counsels, 48 countries that manage and govern the itu which happen every four years. that counsel organized a working work, a working group has been preparing for this conference over about two years and about eight meetings. that counsel working group will send to the conference a report. the report will contain all of the possible options that have been discussed during this period as to how they -- there could be revisions of the itrs, so nine pages of actual text today has grown to 70 pages if you include all of the options that will go forward to the conference. and then, as a first date, august 3rd, governments are expected to send in their first proposals for the conference itself. we will begin to see, i think, in very real terms, what will be the parameters of the conference once these proposals come in from member states after august 3rd and start -- and will continue to approximately two weeks before the conference. but we already have, i think, an indication of what we'll see by the council working group's reports itself. i can say we have not seen a prop

so the head of the itu, he went to st. petersburg and speaks russian fluently. during last year's meeting with putin he told him and there is a transcript available on line, he told him that he represents russian federation at the itu. now, is that a point of concern? is the fact that the head of the itu seems to be fluent in russian, speaks to putin, shake his hand, stops to tell him he is his comrade, a concern, or is this i'm not sure i understand completely how the itu functions in that regard. >> okay. i guess maybe that's for dick or the the commissioner. any one want to respond? >> well, secretary-general torre from mali was first elected as head of development bureau in 1998 and subsequently in eight years was elected to secretary-general and re-elected in 2010 in guadalajara. he is of a generation of african leaders, many of whom did study in the soviet union. he does speak russian. he claims it's not as fluent as one would assume but sufficient to earn a ph.d. out of moscow state university. he met his wife in russia. and who is also from mali, but as

many itu member states including the u.s. have shown they understand the value of the internet and its unique multi-stakeholder model. those dell guilt are in a critical position to advance an agenda at twhact respects the internet and its gloebl contributions continuing to support the pro-competitive policies that have been so successful since the itrs were first negotiated in 1988. working with allies from around the globe the united states government has an opportunity to help chart a productive course forward at wict. and to ensure that the value of the multi-stakeholder model and light touch regulatory approach are highlighted. we're ready to stand for this and thank you very much for this opportunity. >> thank you for your testimony. we'll go into questions now. and i want to go straight to you. you mentioned in your testimony there are other parts of the united nations that have activities concerning internet governance, and if the itu meeting is not the only place where this is being discussed, what other things are g

our concern of what's going on with the itu is. of the proposals would attack or hinder one or more of these principles, of these attributes in ways that then would have really teg tiff secretaries on all the benefits, the things we like about the net, we think we want to preserve. if we i also thought it would be fuseful if woo douched briefly on polly sen trick government earns and, the idea to po are in country the operation of the various cools and comments in the ent net. i think whole they're should be explored. and perhaps allow some folks who have typically not been involved in some of the day-to-day conversations monday the power blokes are to have of the at the table just as comencitizen and concerned policy makers beep can support our friends in the state department. members of congress, they can use their contacts and their influence around the world. with their counterparts as an opportunity to discuss these issues. i think a key aspect of this is that this cannot be the u.s. against the world. if that is the formula,

so the itu has many different conferences. for instance the world communicationings conference the ambassador talked about was this past january and february. but we need to look beyond this december. i want to make sure the committee and everybody listening understands it's not just about this december. this is just the latest vignette in this drama. we have to remain vigilant for years to come. there will be more meetings, more possibilities for treaty negotiations in 2013, 2014, 2015 and on out. >> thank you. >> thank you. i recognize myself for questions. mr. ogden was supposed to be next, but since he's not here, i'll take his time. mr. -- or is it ambassador? verveer. >> either is fine. >> trying to get more up to speed on this. i'm concerned about the secretary-general toure and his relationships with russia and vladimir putin and then cup that will relationship with putin's comments where he is very blunt about his desires to regulate the internet and take control of the internet. so i ask you, is that an unfounded con

until this year, the itu, which through the u.n. includes 193 member countries, each with only a single vote, has focused its attention on telecommune kangss networks and coless such as setting international standards for telephone systems kwornd asian radio frequencies and encourages development of telecommunications infrastructure in developmenting nations. on the whole, benign and helpful to the spread of the internet, but the organization recently passed a resolution in guadalajara calling to "increase the role of the itu in internet governance." this should cause significant concern. in addition, some powerful member states see an opportunity to assert control over the internet through a meeting in dubai this coming december. several proechls from member states of the itu would threaten free expression on the web. others have called for unprecedented mandates and economic regulations that would, for example, impose international internet fees in order to generate revenue for state-owned telecommunications companies. the interna

itu. now, more specifically the issues we're going to be discussing today will likely arise in the context of a particular itu sponsored conference called "wicked" 2012. champion will take place this december in dubai. no, i didn't say wicked as in wicked witch. but wicked as in w-i-c-t, which stands for the world conference on international communications. so there have been concerns expressed and the commissioner mcdowell was one of the early concerns that some countries might trite to yew the wict conference to amend the telecommune kangss regulations in ways that fundamentally alter the current multi-stakeholder bottoms up privatized internet governance model that many of us would say has worked really well. the concern is that a new regime would be adopted that would confer more intergovernmental control over aspects of the internet and the with that it functions today. i'm not going to say anymore about the particulars of the potential changes, because i don't want to steal any thund

so the head of the itu, dr. torre went to st. petersburg. he said he there and speaks russian fluently. and during last year's meeting. and he told them under the transcript available online that he represents the russian federation and the itu. now, is that a plaintiff can turn? is the fact that the head of the itu seems to be fluent in russian and speaks to put in and tells them he has his comrade a concern? or is this -- i am not sure exactly how dig function in that regard. >> okay, i guess maybe that is forward dick or the commissioner. anyone want to respond? >> secretary-general from mali was head of a development bureau in 1998 and subsequent eight years was elected to secretary-general and his reelect date and 2010 and guadalajara. he is of a generation of african leaders, many of whom did study in the soviet union. he does speak russian. he does not speak as fluid, that was sufficient for him to earn a phd at moscow university. he went his wife and russia, who is also from mali. but as he points out and i think it is important in t

there has been an itu council of 48 countries that manage and govern the itu.cil worked a council working group. they've been preparing for this conference over about two years and about eight meetings. that council working group will send to the conference a report. the report will contain all of the possible options that have been discussed during this period as to how they could, how there could be revisions of the itrs. so nine pages of actual text today has grown to 70 pages, and if you include all the options that will go forward to the conference. and then as a first date, august 3rd, governments are expected to send in their first tranche of proposals for the conference itself. we will begin to see, i think, in very real terms what will be the parameters of the conference once these proposals come in from member states after august 3rd and start -- and we'll will continue approximately two weeks before the conference. but we already have, i think, an indication of what we'll see with the counsel sill working groups report itself. and at this stage i can

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i think actually codifying it would complicate efforts internationally as we are now combatting the itu from -- actually come up many, many times to say, well, it's the law of the united states to do this, why can't we do this internationally? i would be very wary of congress trying to codify that, it's before the courts and courts will decide whether the fcc had the authority to do what it did and i think the fcc did not have the authority to do what it did. >> part of the reason why i'm seeing a lot of innovation in this space and more encouragement toward that, because these high level rules of the road which incidentally fit on one page provides certainty, it provides transparency, it provides a means for those who want to innovate in those spaces. our service provider will not be able to favor their businesses at the detriment of innovation. wanting us to encourage and move forward with these high level rules of the road encourage us to recognize i have to say in closing, ms. chairman, with respect to europe, what the united states does is going to have a profound impact on what th

. >> the itu has contributed to the growth of the net. i'm a member of the broad band commission that seeks to find ways to expanding broad band access to the internet all around the world. in that sense i tip the hat to itud for that work. at google we found many opportunities in the private sector to help expand access around the world. we take our equipment which we don't need anymore and we donate it to organizations like the network start up resource center at the university of oregon. they repurpose that equipment and deliver it to people in the southern hemisphere and then they train them and get books and documentation from publications and they set them up to build and operate pieces of the internet which now get connected together to the rst of the global system. there are endless opportunities here for the private sector to engage. anything that you and the committee can do to help make that easier to do would be most helpful. legislation that makes it easier for us to repurpose equipment and to do training overseas will be ver

a lot of people are not aware of what the itu is, the implications it can have in the 21st century, especially with some countries that are engaging in this regard. in china, we've seen recently. they're not bastions of internet freedom. any place that bans certain terms from search should not be an internation wall framework. i hope we'll continue to stay engaged and involved. i hope the committee will keep a close eye on that as well. >> they're serious issues. the proposals are just a bad idea, they're bad for the global economy. they're bad for freedom and democracy around the world, and across the administration, we're committed to opposing those strongly. >> thank you for your resolution too, senator. >> than you. >> thank you, senator rubio. >> i'm going to call now on senator toomey, senator globuchar and senator cantwell should she return. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i'd like to thank all the commissioners as well for being here today. ed first question that might go to the chairman for this. the passage of the internet order doesn't rest on title 22 of the communications act at all,

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