people died as a result of that plane crash. joins ivan lyshchyna, deputy minister of justice of ukraine, commissioner for the affairs of the european court of human rights - 2016-2021. good evening. was today's verdict as expected for you and how fair was it to you and how fair was it from your point of view ? to evaluate absolutely, i am not a specialist in criminal law, but the decision is very expected, very strong , it will greatly help ukraine citizens and ukrainian companies in protecting their rights in international courts, so he was very friendly to be honest, it seems to me that the trial went even well, well, further than i expected from him, in principle, it is a lot or a little time, and only now we see the verdict , absolutely, well, for such a case, it is absolutely normal, the normal term is absolutely normal, do you think there are chances that those persons whose today they were sentenced to life imprisonment. they will actually end up in prison and will sit there for life because in fact this is arrest in absentia, this is a political issue and no one knows what will