to ivanka trump.g allocated. allen weisselberg had some of that through a certain payment. with ivanka trump what we saw -- others are involved as well -- there was $26 million that we found in consulting fees that were being paid from entities that donald trump controls outward. we couldn't see who they were going to. we saw them going out. it was like, wow, when we saw it, where were these going? what we found as we went along was we were comparing the taxes to other documents we had, public documents and other documents. we saw some of it went to a company that is controlled by ivanka trump is an officer of and paid out to ivanka trump. why that was a red flag is because she's an officer of the trump organization and has -- she's paid more than $2 million. she's getting consulting fees. that should be -- the irs would look at it and say -- they are only -- these payments should be ordinary and necessary. you have to question why somebody who is making $2 million at the trump organization is also ge

you can hear trump saying that and then it goes on that mark meadows and ivanka trump tried to get trumpo go along with this. no, trump had given pence instructions and was hell bent on getting him to do it. so i think you really see here just how much pressure pence was under. >> we were hearing elements of this, but to get this narrative now with the quotes is really stunning. some of the elements we're going to discuss, you got exclusively. some of these have been pub lished in the "washington post." i want to go to this moment of the question of what did the president know and when did he know it. at the white house, trump was back in his private dining room watching everything on television. the president was riveted. for trump there was no more beautiful sight than the th thousands of energetic people wearing maga caps and fighting to keep trump in power. when it turned violent, he thought, oh crap. you'll remember that leader mccarthy said the president diplom didn't know about the violence until he called. he was clearly watching it on television. >> what they establish here is a

we saw some went to a company controlled by ivanka trump as an officer and paid out to ivanka trump. why that was a red flag, she's an officer of the trump organization and has paid more than $2 million and is also getting consulting fees and something right away the irs should be getting. these sort of payments should be ordinary and necessary. you have to question why somebody who is making $2 million at the trump organization is also getting consulting fees. you are like, what's going on and we are reporting suspected and reported about is that this is an attempt to reduce taxable income and reduce income to his kids. this is an effect of reducing or avoiding gift tax. we didn't have access to other people's tax information to see if potentially eric trump was getting some is of these tamts or donald trump jr. was also getting payments but they are part of the member of the company getting money paid to ivanka. >> the kind of documents that would show that, is from your understanding as we could see that those are the kinds of documents that the prosecutors have? >> i can't imagin

if i'm not mistaken, ivanka trump to day of the riot sent out a tweet calling the rioters patriots. she had to delete that tweet that day because obviously these were people who were breaking into the capitol at the time. m meanwhile, mark meadows in the days leading up to the january 6th riot and even afterwards was part of an effort to undermine the legitimacy of the election. these are people who are just as complicit as trump was in everything that happened on and before and after january 6th, but it does show you a dynamic that we've witnessed with this white house for the four years that i covered this president and in other instances. the people around him know better. they don't say anything publicly, but privately maybe they tried to rein him in, and they are often not successful. that does not make them heroes of this story unfortunately, but it is something to note that there are people around him who know better and don't do the right thing. >> asha, to you. there's also a revelation here about the vice president as he was there at the capitol and saw that these insurrec

but we'll just have to see. >> should note nbc news has not confirmed ivanka trump received consultinglipped since this analysis surfaced. >>> former executive vice-president of the trump organization who worked for nearly two decades closely with donald trump, and she is, by the way, the author of "tower of lies: what my 18 years of working with donald trump reveals about him." and also with us jeff, who is a white collar criminal defense attorney. he also represented three white house officials in the clinton administration. jeff, thank you both for being here. jeff, i want to start with you. you heard what our colleague cynthia oxney was saying, she would focus on ivanka trump as far as where this investigation is going. would you? >> well, i agree with cynthia because this is a small control group of the trump organization, and the indictment was clear that ivanka was the head of the trump las vegas company, a subsidiary or related company to the trump organization. in fact, all the kids are very much involved in the trump organization. and so if it's a small control group, and the

ahead, does the manhattan district attorney have ivanka trump and insights? th the white house charges tells us a word of trump investigation goes next, after this. next, after this the trump organization took in more than $270 million last year, a steep decline from 2019. it released 140 million that is still a relatively large business. donald trump has worked hard to make sure that that large business remains in the hands of a very, very small number of people. still a private company, only for the few employees besides trump, himself, and some power and they have chief off brumation's officer michael marie, long time lawyer while i'm wise in bergh, and trump's adult children. because the team is so far, it causes people more exposure as the new york district eternity, and the attorney general's investigation continues because, there is only a limited number of people you can blame. legal experts are no employing to former first daughter invited to the daughter ivanka trump owes in the next member of the inner circle, could be very concerned. like allen wei

did you observe ivanka in her role as an executive during your tenure with trump, inc.? d when i was there. >> but the way the trump organization is run, is there a chance that ivanka or any ceo of any of the particular individual companies would not be aware of what was going on within them, would not be aware of the financial structure? >> i don't see that as a possibility, but i think the question about ivanka and the others is how she was paid, what the terms of her payment were. i understand that she was paid as a consultant, but the idea was to get a 1099 form, instead of a w-2 form, which allows you to have all sorts of special deductions. i think that's the problem, that they hired her and others as independent contractors. >> so do you think this spells trouble for trump's children, and if it does, you do know donald trump. how will he react? >> i'm sure it spells trouble. he probably is downplaying it and thinking that, you know, he'll get them out just like he'll get himself out of any trouble that comes up right now. he's angry. >> well, donald trump's niece,

ivanka as a vice president. the others also have different connections to the trump kids. we already know that from "new york times" reporting last year that ivanka did take consultant fees when she was not an employee, or "the times" reported that. so, if we see that practice across the board, this new company is different from the "new york times" report. it's connected to a hotel just like the "times" was, but this was a different company. and the setup could be similar. we don't know. >> if you're seeing the same pattern across seven different companies, that's not just smoke. that's fire. that's a tornado. that's everything. thank you guys so much for your time this evening. >>> coming up in just 60 seconds, a special interview, the president of howard university on hiring nicole hannah jones and later aoc and the democratic strategy to beat mcconnell. plus the new culture war, captain america. i'll explain. i'll be back in 60 seconds. i'll explain i'll be back in 60 seconds we made usaa insurance for members like martin. an air force veteran made of doing what's right

i appreciate it. >>> ahead, does the manhattan district attorney have ivanka trump in his sights? es tell us where the trump investigation goes next, right after this. ext, right after this appen. this is the sound of better breathing. fasenra is a different kind of asthma medication. it's not a steroid or inhaler. fasenra is an add-on treatment for asthma driven by eosinophils. it's one maintenance dose every 8 weeks. it helps prevent asthma attacks, improve breathing, and lower use of oral steroids. nearly 7 out of 10 adults with asthma may have elevated eosinophils. fasenra is designed to target and remove them. fasenra is not a rescue medication or for other eosinophilic conditions. fasenra may cause allergic reactions. get help right away if you have swelling of your face, mouth, and tongue, or trouble breathing. don't stop your asthma treatments unless your doctor tells you to. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection or your asthma worsens. headache and sore throat may occur. this is the sound of fasenra. ask your doctor about fasenra. if you can't afford your medi

weisselberg as they try to avoid this unexplained wealth inquiry. >> glenn from allen weisselberg to ivanka trumpporting about her alleged role in some of these controversial trump is nurses. how worried should she and her brothers be that at some point the manhattan prosecutor's come after them? >> there's pretty clear foreshadowing and that 24 page indictment that was handed down by the new york grand jury. when you read the indictment, the evidence of allen weisselberg's guilt is overwhelming. from the two sets of books to an indication allen weisselberg 's own tax prepare or flipped on him to a pretty clear paper trail that shows he was criminally evading federal state and new york city taxes. but i think probably the most ominous part of that indictment is there are two unnamed people. presumably fairly high up in the trump organization, who enjoy the same criminal perks that allen weisselberg enjoyed. they haven't been named yet but we have to ask ourselves. who are two other individuals who would've been high up enough in the organization, and firmly entrenched enough and donald trump's in

at the new york times based on trump's financial records, is that among others, it appears that ivanka trumpited from the type of scheme that is described at the end of the indictment today, that trump executives or compensated in ways that were deliberately designed to help them evade taxes and help businesses evade taxes on their behalf. he was charged in benefiting from that scheme. the indictment says other than executives benefited from the same scheme. now we have solid reporting that the investigation continues and that raises the prospect that further charges could be brought against his children. >> yeah it does, and again i think that they should be quite anxious, right now. donald on the other hand will expect the same kind of level of loyalty from them as he expects from alan. as far as donald is concerned, they have what they have because of him. and they should be willing to take whatever hit they are going to take. he does not understand, i guess how these things work. prosecutors won't stop at my cousins. they will be going for the bigger fish, which would be donald who has b

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ivanka trump may have gotten consultant fees and she is a highly paid officer of the trump organizationayments went out, and it's a related party, like, why are you paying and the irs doesn't look kindly on this when you have an officer and then a related party who is getting compensation and bonuses and could potentially be illegal and it's something that they would be looking at. for donald trump it reduces his taxable income he's paying out these bonuses, potentially going in some cases we know to his children and that could also be avoiding the gift tax. so there's a lot going on there, and they're looking at that one issue. >> and is this also a tax break for the corporation in that they -- >> well, it would -- it's reducing donald trump's taxable income and so there's just less tax being paid that the irs would be wanting. >> joyce, the pushback, of course, from don junior and others is this is penny antibecause they couldn't get us on something bigger and the pushback also countering that, rebutting it from one of the prosecutors were the corporations that wanted to cooperate mak

the authors write this about ivanka trump.television, in her second-floor office that the rioters were inside the capitol, ivanka trump said to her aides, i'm going down to my dad. this has to stop. she spent several hours walking back and forth to the oval trying to persuade the president to be stronger in telling supporters that he stood with law enforcement and ordering them to disperse. okay. whatever. they go on to quote presidential adviser -- a presidential adviser saying that the president's daughter was described as like a stable pony brought in the calm to calm down an agitated race horse. i don't know. sounds like reputation laundering. maybe, reputation dry cleaning. let's not forget that ivanka trump tweeted, then deleted, this on january 6th. calling the insurrectionists, quote, american patriots. her dad putting out a statement, today, responding to the book's reporting that the chairman of the joint chiefs, general mark milley, was so shaken by trump's refusal to concede that he worried he might attempt a coup.

the authors right this about ivanka trump. as soon as she saw in her office the rioters were in their office, she said, i'm going down to my dad. she was telling supporters he stood with law enforcement, ordering them to disperse. okay. they go on to quote the presidential adviser who says the daughter was like a stable pony brought in the calm to calm down an agitated racehorse. i don't know, it sounds like reputation laundry. let's not forget that ivanka trump tweeted and deleted this. calling the insurrectionists, american patriots. her dad responding, the general of the joint chiefs was so shaken by trump's refusal to concede that he worried he might attempt a coup. well, it's not so much a statement. more like a schoolyard insult. quote, if i was going to do a coup, one of the last people i would want to do it with is general mark philly. . i didn't do it, but if i did, this is how i did it. the new books make a case that the threat to our democracy is not in the rear-view mirror. it's clear and present danger. the lies a

there are people who carried ivanka trump's brand. they don't do that anymore. that don't do that anymore. what will he become if he tries to make a go of it? >> he tarnished himself before he ran. he's really damaged his brand. as his legal bills mount, really good lawyers knowing donald's history are going to demand payment up front. he's going to be squeezed there, so it really is this reliance on donations, as david farenhold, who has done fantastic work, points out. we won't know what his fundraising is, but we do know what he raised so far promising the election. >> this is tricky, though. when donald trump's biggest business becomes raising money for and running elections. >> yeah, i think the business of the trump organization as it's currently constituted does not make any sense. why does he want to be selling his name in chicago or trying to get people to go to his hotel in las vegas? you could shrink this business down on capitalizing on his political base. keeping the properties he lives at and selling t-shirts. that's a business that could sustain i

there are people who carry ivanka trump's brand who don't do that anymore. ore. why does he build into, what does it become if he tries to make a go of it? >> i don't see henry covering his brand. he's tarnished it on his own, by his own conduct. the people he's -- they are not people who can spend $1,000 to have a night in his hotel. he's really damaged his brand. and his as his legal brands mount, they're gonna demand payment up front. he's gonna be squeezed there. we so there really is this reliance on donations, as we david fahrenthold is doing some fantastic work with, well no that would he race so far, promising to challenge the election -- with >> david, this is tricky though, when donald trump's biggest business is raising for and running elections. >> i think the biggest business as the trump organization as it's constituted doesn't make sense with donald trump's constitution. it has his name, why would people would go with two his hotels. you can capitalize his -- keeping the properties -- we selling t-shirts. that's the business that could sustain

the other person who i think is in peril is ivanka trump.gs that allen weisselberg is in trouble for is taking money as a contractor and then claiming self-employed status so that he can get some of the retirement benefits that the tax code allows for self-employed people. well, we know that ivanka trump got quite significant sums paid to her as nonemployee compensation. that freed the trump organization from paying part of her taxes, and it put her in a status that i think the irs would have lots of questions about. so these folks don't know how to play the game straight. i think everything they do is crooked. >> let's go back to last night's rally and what he said about the capitol rioter shot by police, ashli babbitt. let's listen. >> and by the way, who shot ashli babbitt? who shot ashli babbitt? who? who shot ashli babbitt? we all saw the hand. we saw the gun. i spoke to her mother the other day, an incredible woman. she's just devastated, like it happened yesterday. devastated. you know, if that were on the other side, the person that

we have don and ivanka and weisselberg and donald trump jr. and eric trump, all these people. >> if you look at this list right now, which of these people, we already know weisselberg, which of these people do you think may be the most concerned? >> maybe ivanka or don jr. give me reasons to be concerned or if they did more than sign a couple of charity checks. >> all of this depends on what comes out of the investigation. it could be the case that the person that's handling most of this going back and forth between the two sets of books are allen weisselberg. it is set up that way so only one person is on the hook and that person is related to donald trump in any way. picking between these three children and this is just sort of whackamo at this point. this entire family is bounce up on the cult of personality the trump organization and their father. if the trump organization is in trouble and allen weisselberg is in trouble, all of these individuals are going to be worried. >> going forward, the law is not always clear as to whether or not a

ivanka trump, his daughter.one thing phil and i learned as part of the book was that the president was watching this almost giddy on television, enjoying this moment. and that's pretty shocking because even before anybody broke through the glass of the capitol, they were committing felonies by breaching the perimeter, by pushing past police, by spraying them with bear spray. and he was sort of cheering that quietly in his dining room where he spends time watching television. well, later, ivanka and mark meadows give themselves the assignment to try to get the president to call off the dogs and they don't do this very urgently, as phil and i learned. it takes two hours for them to get him to say something. a president should be saying something about a violent act that's happening at the capitol. they knew that. they had to convince him. but two of them really have an important insight. there are other people that day. keith kellogg, vice president's national security adviser, who was in contact with pence at the

. >>> called ivanka trump be the next former trump organization executive to face charges. >> reporter served as vice president was named in the new york indictment against the trump organization. the big question is, what ivanka would be willing to do to save herself if she's formally charged. >> she doesn't appear to be afraid of her father like the others are. and i do think that to keep herself out of jail she would tell on him, absolutely. >> meanwhile, the president is suing social media companies. trump is already fundraising. this as "the washington post" reports reveal trump continues to charge secret service thousands in rent, profiting from the privilege of secret service protection granted to all former presidents. joining me now, the reporter behind that skoop, david fahrenthold. trump earned over $50,000 just from renting to the secret service. can you walk me through how these costs compare to other presidents? is there any limit on what trump can charge? >> there's no limit on what he can charge. the secret service is allowed to pay whatever they need to to be near the

you know, "new york times" has reported that ivanka trump was quite likely paid by the trump organizationprojects, i think, in canada and hawaii. that's really interesting because allen weisselberg charged in this document took payment as an independent contractor and he did that allegedly for the tax benefits that came with it. so you can imagine, and i think they're dropping a pretty strong hint here, that conduct that we only know about from press accounts could, if there are additional charges, eventually touch other people in the trump organization and the trump organization is not big. it is trump, some immediate family members and some long-time people who have been close to him for a very, very long time. this could be very damaging even if donald trump himself is never charged. >> david, back to a point you were talking about. the messages sent. what messages do you think these indictments send to the broader in the organization. it does mention the scheme although it benefitted allen weisselberg was made up by several executives. >> well, iyla hit it right on the head about the

on trump's children, writing a list of seven trump organization companies, including one where ivanka trumpive role for eight years. joining me, tristan snell, former deputy attorney general for new york who led the trump university investigation, that civil suit. awfully glad to have you here, tristan. your expertise and experience, we're going to mine into that right now. my question first off, how crucial of a role do you think the trump children play in this investigation and do you think new york prosecutors are looking to flip them? >> there's a lot of speculation about that. i mean, let's rewind a bit about how all of this has worked. the role ha eric and don jr. played ramped up a lot after donald trump entered the white house. ivanka had had a large role in a lot of these companies well before that, and she really was taking more of a hands-on role and was groomed to be the heir prior to 2016. she's the officer of a lot of these companies, and so are don jr. and eric. all three of them have exposure with regard to tax improprieties. we know some things about ivanka, if any of them

family name. >> to that point, here say taste of the headlines the last few years about the trump family. don and ivankarump children taking millions overseas as the president slams biden's son. just because they did it, does that mean you get to do it, too? >> how much do you want to bet that republicans will investigate this art deal if they win back the mantle? this is a huge ethics problem. making it more challenging is it is art. the value is assigned. that's why critics are saying different things. the white house is trying to get some sort of wrap around this, trying to come up with an arrangement that will make it look better but they're worried about it. >> there say model for doing it differently. look at former president bush. he is an artist. it's not a perfect comparison. he painted and donated the proceeds of those paintings to his nonprofit. there are other ways in which he could be an artist, be a professional artist that wouldn't necessarily -- might have an easier time through ethics regulations. >> for biden, hunter -- this is his son, obviously. he has been through a lot of different

ivanka trump is vaccinated. ron desantis is vaccinated. donald trump is vaccinated.ania trump is vaccinated. they are all floridans. you have my governor trying to make this into a political issue. we saw what happened at cpac where people cheered when there was the conversation about not having vaccines. let's not pretend this has not become a political wedge issue exploit ed by the right as they play to the cheap seats in order to get people out to vote based on fear and outrage. let us not pretend that's not happening. >> we put up on the screen don't fauci my florida t-shirt. how the hell will i be able to drink a beer with mask on. >> it's hard to drink with a ventilator also. >> really tough with a ventilator. >> how will you drink a beer if you're dead? i spoke as someone whose husband was hospitalized for five days and i have family and friends who lost loved ones because of covid in florida. >> i want to say i hear your pain. i think it's horrible what this disease has done to our country. i think that most importantly, most importantly, we have to look at c

looking into the inaugural committee already having sought testimony or gained testimony from ivanka trumpfrom donald trump jr. and barack's own senior adviser at the inaugural has alleged some nefarious activities that enrich the family and that donald trump and the former first lady knew about those activities. so again, to me it's not just what's in this indictment, but where this indictment and the investigation ultimately lead out in other places. >> and of course, there were always questions about the investments of the trump organization in those countries in saudi arabia and other interests, as well. >> on a separate subject, you have new reporting on the uk man who was arrested for hacking the twitter account of joe biden and barack obama in july 2020. what can you tell us about that? >> so this got a lot of attention and it was about a year ago when the account of joe biden, elon musk, kanye west, kim kardashian and all were hacked and these were accounts that were taken over and a message that appeared i'm going to give some charity money here to a bitcoin account, why don't you

they were above the allow, they get worse and trump himself admitted that. >> another book with ivanka trumpking that behind the scenes she was really trying to do the right thing. well, she's always welcome to join us here on msnbc and tell us publicly what she was doing in the administration. clinton, let's turn to the white house and vaccines. they're really trying to fight vaccine disinformation and i want to share what jen psaki said today. >> there's about 12 people who are producing 65% of antivaccine misinformation on social media platforms. all of them remain active on facebook, despite some being banned on other platforms, including facebook. facebook needs to move for quickly to remove harmful violative posts. >> okay, they need to remove it or what? facebook is saying, clinton, that they're removing misinformation, but that's after it's posted and unless the government changes rules and regulations, do they have any way to force facebook to do anything? facebook answers to shareholders and to their customers, both who are very, very happy with them, and currently, they haven't br

essentially says the version of oh, crap but it takes his chief of staff mark meadows and his daughter ivanka trumpcause he's not saying anything. he's sort of wondering what he should say and how he should say it. he wants to praise his boys. that part of him is so reflective. >> and even calling off the dugs, he barely did it initially, right? there were arden trump supporters who saw after he respond topped that that was a turning both for them and that's a whole other story. you spent time with president at emlago. take us into the psyche of donald trump and his influence opinion on party politics and we saw what kevin mccarthy did. how is trump wulg the strings from behind the scenes. what we learned is the night he said to kellyanne conway how could we lose? i'm so bummed we lost. so -- but in the meantime his inner narrative has gotten harder and harder and less and less related to reality, less -- it's unmoored. and he in mar-a-lago, when we visited, a ton of people traipsed by to sort of kiss his ring and more were coming. congress members trying to get his endorsement, and as he said to u

tom barrack, ivanka trump, and donald trump accepting the nomination. that's where he stands in donald trump's life. as a former federal prosecutor reading through the indictment, what do you see exactly to cut to some of tom's questions, what exactly in plain language is tom barrack accused of doing here? >> i think one of the points that's very important here, willie, is this is not a paperwork violation. i know tom said that he could have filed notification with the attorney general and been permitted to lobby on behalf of the uae, that's absolutely right. there's a reason people don't register in a situation like that. if he registered and everyone knew he was acting on behalf of the uae, he would never have received the access he got. some of the allegations are that he had drafted of president trump's speech on energy and shared it with the uae government officials, got their edits, and then gave it back to president trump. that he took credit for getting the uae omitted from trump's travel ban in 2017. he wrote an op-ed in favorable terms for the

host: but chief among those frustrate her's, you write, were jared kushner and ivanka trump, the president's daughter. did their status at all change during the course of the period you write about from the election, through the inauguration? did their influence with the president change? guest: i think that their influence has always remained basically stable because they understood the limits of their influence. more than any people in the white house, yes, they could have influenced, but that always came up against the barrier of a president who, letter a, doesn't listen to anyone, b, can't really be reasons with in any conventional sense, and, c, left the thread of the conversation in short order. you could influence him about things that he didn't care about , or things he was not going to remember, or things that he couldn't quite comprehend. but if he got it into his head that there was something he believed in, like the election steel, then you had to steer clear. jared and ivanka, certainly by a week be on the election, new that they could have no effect, so basically absented thems

ivanka trump recorded totaling $747,622 that exactly matched the consulting fees claimed as tax deductionsel projects in vancouver and hawaii. it appears they have access to the same and more kinds of documents that you had. do you think those practices are under scrutiny, and should they be? >> the new york attorney general did say they had been investigating that. they are looking at it and subpoenas have gone out on it. what is interesting about that and we need to know more, we only had the tax returns, that sort of thing where ivanka trump works at the trump organization. she made $2 million in 2017. another year she's made half a million dollars. she is a highly compensated executive of the trump organization. why is she getting a bonus? when the irs looks at that they say it has to be reasonable and ordinary so why is this person who works there in a related party bonus? it has the effect, which is great for donald trump, there were consulting fees, by paying them out. he has a business expense. he reduces taxable income so less there for the irs to tax. and what it kind of feels li

we know who was with trump that day, same or similar circumstance, ivanka trump, pat cipo cipollone,t of it is this is all part of the republican effort to rewrite what happened that day or wipe away what happened that day. congressman clyde said it was tourists. if you watched yesterday, compelling testimony about the horrors that day and the risks they took to save lives. congressman raskin was in a meeting with congressman clyde who said they were a bunch of tourists. they had an interesting exchange. >> did you watch the testimony or not? >> it's irrelevant. >> if you didn't footage was video from january 6th, you would actually think it was a normal tourist visit. those are your words. >> aptd i stand by that exact statement as i said it. >> the congressman stands by the statement, which is ludicrous. but it gets to the point of the rawness between the democrats and republicans about that day. >> and what was effective about yesterday's hearing and hearing from those officers was that lawmakers including liz cheney had the opportunity and used it to go through all the things the

and eric trump and ivanka trump. that is a tremendous problem for the entire family. finally, i just think we need to point out that there were two things that were bad for donald trump today. one was this indictment, which as elie's been going through is very lengthy, very detailed. but the other is, to bring it back to washington, nancy pelosi announced the select committee on january 6th today. liz cheney, a very conservative republican, agreed to be on that committee. these two things are going to be happening at the same time no matter how many exclamation points donald trump wants to make in these statements. >> jen rogers, now that you have heard all the details or what we have been able to consume from the indictment and from inside the courtroom, is this what you were expecting today? >> well, it's a little more than i was expecting in the sense that, you know, they did charge more crimes than i was expecting. and hearing from michael cohen leads me to believe more than i did before, i should say, that they are still looking to make a bigger, broader case agai

i mean, ivanka trump left some staffers in the white house with the impression that her father was goingite joe biden into the white house for transition meetings just like obama had done for him. >> yeah, right. that was never going to happen. >> you said senior officials in the administration didn't vote for him, right? >> at the republican party. >> the republican party, got it. got it. michael, listen, this is important because you wrote about trump's reaction to that horrific video of george floyd's killing. >> yeah. >> and i know these f'ing cops, trump said. they can get out of control sometimes. they can be rough. trump's assessment struck some in the room as surprisingly critical in the police and he showed a level of empathy for floyd behind closed doors that he would never fully reveal in public. so of course we never saw that side of trump. we saw the opposite. why is that? >> from my reporting and talking to people around him, the -- he very quickly takes this personally. you know, even watching the video, don, it takes him a couple of days to see the video. and he never wat

in fact, the first person, i would imagine, they're looking at is ivanka trump, because it was revealed in the press a couple of years ago that she was paid in a way that was quite similar to the off-the-books payments that went to allen weisselberg. this involved paying her contractor's fees. in weisselberg's case, prosecutors noted he used that status of self-employed that he got by taking these fees as a consultant to engage in retirement programs that he would otherwise have been ineligible for. so he got tax-free retirement investments. i think in ivanka's case, she too accepted sort of a double dipping scheme, where she was paid on a certain project as both a trump executive and a consultant. this is i think going to have much bigger dimensions than we're aware of right now. and i think it may even wind up pitting the various trump children against each other. and we may see them vying for their father's protection in one way or another. >> jennifer, you know how this works, but what does this all mean for donald trump? if prosecutors had something on him, would they have already

weisselberg was not heavy on names, but did list seven trump org companies, including one where ivanka trumpe to -- barbara, thanks for joining us on this. first your reaction of the organization. >> you know, when trump said it would be his two sons and allen, i said, you know, allen knows something. i don't know about don junior. he comes across as not being very bright, in addition to ridiculous opinions, and using words that are inflammatory. i don't know how had he would know the business. he started out as an executive vice president of something. i just don't see it. hopefully there are people in lower positions that might be able to pick things up. >> does this put him more at risk now that he's heading up the company. i don't know, in terms of that, whether it pus it more at risk. the moment is past, not present. so i think even don junior would have sense to try to follow the law at this point. >> you said before, that if weisselberg was pushed into a corner, he would flip on the president. he has yet to do that. where do you stand on this? >> you know, i happen to think that allen

forward, if you think they should subpoena kevin mccarthy and mark meadows and jared kushner and ivanka trumpnk the committee should do what is necessary to get to the bottom of the trauth. the four people testifying today will testify as to what the conditions were and how they felt when all of this was going on. i think the committee will conclude this is a serious matter of life and death. people felt threatened with their lives and this will get to the bottom of whoever was at fault. it may be they will need to subpoena if they don't voluntarily come forward. not just the leadership on the republican side, but a lot of the other members of the republican side who participated in the events that gave rise to the incident. >> kevin mccarthy, the republican leader in the house, has called adam kinzinger and liz cheney pelosi republicans. he is threatening to punish them for participating in the committee. if he goes ahead and strips them from the committee assignments, do you expect speaker pelosi would reinstate that? >> i suspect she will. i know penancy pelosi very well. if there is a pat

ivanka trump would repeatedly try to get him to do something. >> it was a really awkward time becauserotesters literally broke into the landing near the senate and lawmakers were scrambling for their lives along with their staff who were barricading away from people chanting for their heads, during that time the president tweeted something criticizing mike pence. eventually that came down. ivanka was asked by chief of staff mark meadows to please, come down here, let's get your dad to say something. to call off the dogs, essentially. ivanka went back and forth between her second-floor office, back and forth multiple times at meadows request, trying to get it right essentially with the president, with her father. many people told us different ways that she was described that day, and not extremely forceful at first but she was also compared to the stable pony, to come in and calm the race horse. she was her father's stable pony. >> again, you know, we've seen -- we showed the video of the peace-loving folks full of love being ushered into the capitol. >> hugging and kissing. >> right,

i mean, there were reports about, i think in "the new york times," that ivanka trump received consultings for matters that it wasn't clear she was actually in voofld in. maybe that was an attempt to avoid gift tax. who knows. >> i'll move on to another subject. i want to play another final game of what if. what if it were the clinton foundation? >> if it were the clinton foundation, the republicans and donald j. trump would say she's a disgrace to humanity, lock her up, lock her up. there's no question of politics. this is clearly illegal. the facts that are specifically -- very specifically pleaded in this indictment are proven, somebody's got to go to jail. >> all right, kevin mccarthy, the house minority leader, cnn reported threatened to pull committee assignments from any republican who accepted nancy pelosi naming them on this select committee to investigate the january 6th insurrection. this is the same kevin mccarthy who stripped appointment from paul goh sasar, marjorie taylor greene for conspiracies. if you don't reject, i'm going to pull the assignment. what is he afraid of? >

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. >> you would think so and remember the outcry when ivanka trump held up the can of beans but granholmpromoting a company she was on the board of. she quit the board after her confirmation but she continues to not even tell us who she sold the stock too. i asked the energy to part and again today who was the undisclosed buyer who paid her a net profit of $1.6 million for 240,000 nonpublic shares of proterra? we have absolutely no idea who bought her stock and you're right, it's pretty insane and yet no one really seems to care because i think everyone thinks green energy is a good thing and clearly there can be no corruption from the by demonstration, but both of those things aren't true. >> tucker: may i ask you a quick question? has no skills, i don't think she's ever done anything. i'm not being mean -- a lot of people have never done anything but she's especially never done anything. why would you be on the board of an energy company? >> well, she was the governor of michigan and we can account for -- it's a fair point. she was a cnn contributor. she was a media matters contributor

meanwhile senator lindsey graham called ivanka trump to get her to tell her father to get these people being attacked by people who want to subvert it. the north carolina republican added, quote, even though a lot of those people probably would have voted for me, i can't support that. joining me co-founder of "punchbowl news," john bresnahan. good to see you. don't bring it up. since january 6th, we've seen republicans dig deeper and deeper into this lie that the insurrection was overexaggerated, that they were harmless tourists? what do we make of it? is this going to be their argument? they're going to ramp it up? and tell us the latest on kevin mccarthy selecting his own committee to that day? >> it's lewd russ as somebody who was in the capitol that day. it was a horrific, horrific scene. it was terribly dangerous. and the members were in grave danger, and they knew they were in grave danger. this is a group of people who we're talking about hanging mike, then vice president mike pence. i think that there's clearly an effort by some republicans to downplay the attack. now they're t

company, which of course then brings to mind the former president's children, eric and don junior ivanka trump. do you have any sense from any meetings, from anything you may know, that they could have had knowledge? >> my thought process is, and maybe i'm wrong, is that showing allen that the taxes are not kosher and that there's liability there, criminal intent there, maybe that's enough to get you to walk us through those documents inside the trump org, then we can place the became on those who orchestrated it. maybe that would help get an indictment on the executives. >> this is why white-collar cases almost always rely on an insider that flips. documents need explanation. you need someone to walk you through the documents and explain what was really going on here. at the moment, it appears prosecutors don't have that person. they someone else who was involved in the trump organization who could do that? who could walk them through the documents and explain exactly what was going on? >> i think it's sped up because of jeff mcconnie. >> who is he? >> he is the main accountant within the fir

trump's catastrophic final year they called ivanka trump to the oval office multiple times to try to ing to documents, meadows worked privately as trump's behest pushing the department of justice to investigate baseless conspiracy theories and fraud claims about the 2020 election. cheney saying the committee will listen to the officers' advice. >> it was an attack carried out on january 6th and a hitman sent them. i want you to get to the bottom of that. >> reporter: leaving open the possibility the committee will subpoena the most president tru himself. >> it could. there is another republican member of congress mo brooks is under scrutiny for a role he mayed on january 6th. >> there is allegations he used rhetoric at that rally before the attack on the capitol and during that speech, brooks claimed of course falsely that the election was rigged against trump. brooks has tried to have this case dismissed. he said his remarks he believes were within the scope of his duties as a house member. the doj just rejected the congressman's request for legal protection in court. noting that his

katrina pierson, mark meadows the chief of staff, stephen miller, white house advisor, ivanka trump,eric hishman, dan scavino, the white house deputy chief of staff for communications. chris christie who was on tv while it was under way criticizing the white house response. kellyanne conway, alyssa farrah, mike pence, marc short, the vice president's chief of staff. let's stop there and we'll get to congress after that. what is the scope of the investigation into those individuals? what do you want to know? >> so i think liz cheney gets this exactly right. we want to know everything because when you're an investigator and you're trying to build a story about what happened, not even looking at a criminal case but just trying to develop a factual narrative, it's critical that you start at the beginning and move to the end. that you talk to everyone who was in the room, that you get all of the backup documentation, that you understand everyone's awareness of what was going on during that point in time. you know what liz cheney says, that she wants to talk to every witness, is not remark