>> i do not remember. >> you went over to ivory madison's house on the morning of january 4? >> if i went to see ivory on january 4? yes. >> ok. and as of january 4, did you have some concerns about what would happen if you were to call the police regarding what your husband did on december 31? >> to call the police was never my idea. i was not thinking to calling the police. >> i asked you a little different question. the question is, did you have concerns about what would happen if you called the police? >> how i already said to call the police was not my idea. i was not thinking of that and call the police so i couldn't be thinking what could happen if i call the police. >> did that issue come up in your conversation with ms. madison on january 4, calling the police? >> of course, that was -- is why she was calling me. her plan was to convince me to call the police and she brought all these new plans about the police. >> i move to strike as nonresponsive and speculative. >> repeat your question. chairperson hur: can i have the question back, please? [the court reporter read

>> i do not remember. >> you went over to ivory madison's house on the morning of january 4? >> if i went to see ivory on january 4? yes. >> ok. and as of january 4, did you have some concerns about what

>> in the stairs of ivory madison's house. >> interior stairs? >> interior, yes. >> and how long did you speak with ms. peralta haynes beforehanding the phone to ms. madison? >> i do not remember, but i just was so panicking and i said to her, my neighbor called the police and i was -- and when i hand the phone to ivory, i was trying to someone speak in english maybe could explain better that i do not want the police involved. >> so you don't -- >> so i just say help me, help me talk with this. she called the police. >> so you don't know how long you were talking with ms. peralta haynes before you handed the phone to ms. madison? >> how long i was talking who with who? >> with ms. peralta haynes before you handed the phone to ms. madison? >> how long i was talking with ms. peralta haynes? how long it takes to say -- 30 seconds, one minute. >> ok. and what did you hear ivory madison say to ms. peralta haynes? >> i really was trying to pay attention but i couldn't understand anything ivory said. i was so shaking. >> ok. after ivory madison handed th

now, what's the first line of the email that you wrote to ivory madison? >> i am agreed with everything. >> and by that you meant you agreed with everything she wrote to you? >> do you want to explain what i mean with that? >> you wrote i am agree with everything. do you mean you agree. >> yes, in her email. she said. >> ms. lopez, i haven't finished my question. as of january 2, when you wrote this, did you agree with everything that she wrote to you? >> she said in her email, you have to call -- i don't remember which line it is, but i know that she said that you have to call the police to just say theo had run into -- i think she took that run outside from this email -- just stay still and run into a neighbor's house or down the street and lock yourself in the car or in the same room with him even if he's calmed down, whatever is needed. every time there is an incident. >> ms. lopez, you may have misunderstood my question. i only asked you if when you wrote in on january 2 you were saying you agreed with everything. >> i was agreed if that happened, i a

and was that when ivory madison told you? >> yes. >> ok. did you have any inkling before 3:30 there was an open police investigation? >> as a good friend and as a good lawyer, she waits three hours to let me know she opened an investigation. i think she was really taking care of me. >> i'll move to strike that response. >> sustained. ms. lopez, you need to answer these questions. >> ok. no. >> and were you on the phone with linnette peralta haynes when you found out from ms. madison there was a police investigation? >> no. >> how long after you found out there was a police investigation did you get a call from ms. peralta haynes? >> i cannot tell you how long. we -- i don't know, maybe 10, 15 minutes. >> ok. and where were you when ms. peralta haynes called? >> in the stairs of ivory madison's house. >> interior stairs? >> interior, yes. >> and how long did you

>> yes. >> you said that ivory madison was a friend? >> yes. >> you said that ivory madison was a neighbor? >> yes. >> and in that january 17 interview, you never referred to ivory madison as your lawyer? >> that is correct. >> now, after ms. wallace you got a new attorney, ms. canny? correct? >> yes. did you direct your attorney to go to the criminal court to try and keep the video from being used against your husband in his case? >> objection, that appears to infringe upon attorney-client communications. >> with the direction to an attorney, it's not a request for legal advice. >> ms. canny, you're her attorney, i'll allow you to speak to it if you want to [inaudible] >> i think you're right, sustained. >> now, i >> i go think the privilege is waived if you look at page 23 of ms. lopez's declaration. and i should say paragraph 24 as well. >> what part of 24 are you relying upon? >> it says ross was not ever involved in my efforts to assert my right to retain the attorney-client privilege with my conversation with ivory as well as my d

and was that when ivory madison told you? >> yes. >> ok. did you have any inkling before 3:30 there was an open police investigation? >> as a good friend and as a good lawyer, she waits three hours to let me know she opened an investigation. i think she was really taking care of me. >> i'll move to strike that response. >> sustained. ms. lopez, you need to answer these questions. >> ok. no. >> and were you on the phone with

and was that when ivory madison told you? >> yes. >> ok. did you have any inkling before 3:30 there was an open police investigation? >> as a good friend and as a good lawyer, she waits three hours to let me know she opened an investigation. i think she was really taking care of me. >>

>> yes. >> that was after you sent the text message to ivory madison? >> i do not recall that, i think, yes. >> so ms. lopez, if you thought ivory madison was calling your husband's political enemies, why did you follow her advice and talk to cali williams? >> oh, because at this point i didn't know she was -- no, i did -- at that point i knew she was -- she was using -- i do not remember if at that point i knew she was using our names. when i found that -- maybe i knew at that point that she was using our names. on january 4. that i understood she will never call the police without my consent. so i was trying to be clear on january 4. i do not want to call the police. i want to call a therapist. this is what my emails are about therapy. >> so when you decided to go out and talk to cali williams, at that point in time, did you think ivory madison was out there calling your political enemies -- your husband's consent, or did you think that ivory madison wasn't going to call anybody without your consent? >> you are right. very tupeid. i think we were -- f

. >> uh-huh. >> had ivory madison offered to get some information for you? >> yes. >> you also mentioned that there's a line here that says, looks like ross, in doing research, too, i assume that means looks like ross is doing research, too? just a typo? >> yes. >> ok. what was your husband doing on january 1 with regard to what had happened on december 31? >> at the end of the day on december 31, we had a conversation and i told him this cannot happen, this is wrong, and i was telling him we need therapy, counseling. i was telling him that for the last year, and i think this is an important moment and you have to realize that we need help and he said, you are right. he realized that that was wrong and he took it very seriously, and he told me i'm going to looking for someone and i say i'm going to looking for someone, too. >> you mentioned that. >> i'm sorry, i'm sorry. so when i said ross is doing research, too, i think he was in the computer looking for information. i thought that. >> ms. lopez, you mentioned you had been suggesting to your husband for th

that out. >> during the defense of your husband's criminal case, did you give information about ivory madison to political consultants? did you give information about 53 madison to political consultants? >> i will interpose a relevance objection to this entire line of questioning. whatever this witness did, it doesn't have any relevance to the inquiry. >> i presume that when you say that you will be able to tie it to the sheriff. >> i think the legitimate inference can be drawn given the attorney client privilege. i can't explore whether there were conversations that went from person to attorney or a journey to a person, but i can't argue the inference if i established these facts. >> let's see what the answer is. but we are about to cut you off. >> i am close to being finished. >> you want to know if i talk with the consultants, if i gave the information? >> about ivory madison to your husband's political consultants during the defense of this criminal case? >> i was always talking with my attorney. are you referring to gm? -- jim? >> the witness may have a hard time understanding. >> i don'

>> no. >> now, later in the day, you sent ivory madison an email on the 1st? not remember. >> so for the commission, i'm going to go to exhibit 48 and ms. lopez, you do have exhibit binders in front of you that are tabbed. exhibit -- rather large, exhibit 48 is in the larger binder. ms. lopez, if i can approach the witness? chairperson hur: yes. >> while the commissioners are getting their binders i'll ask you to look at that email that's exhibit 48 and i'll have a couple of questions for you.

goo>> why did you think it was relevant to talk to your neighbor, and ivory madison? >> she called me in december, and she said, can you call me so we can plan our goal for the new year? i said, can you take care of theo. i said, i will be there. i was mad and ross, so i said it was perfect. i went to see her. that was the conversation december 31. we plan for the next day. the next day i went to her home, and she started to talk about she is in therapy, and she mentioned my therapist. my therapist told me i have anger issues, and i thought, and who really? anchor issues, -- anger issues, and i think i would like the number, because i would like to share your professional opinion. that is how i started the conversation, and i remember when she mentioned dasthat. i said, i really need your professional opinion about this. it was as a lawyer, because she is always repeating that she is a lawyer. >> did she understand what you meant about that when you said professional experience? did she understand, and did you make it very clear you were seeking official who legal cou

haynes, but i don't know. >> so did you have any part in the decision to call ivory madison? >> not at all. >> ok. so to the sternt that this story characterizes you as having participated in that decision to call linnette peralta haynes, you disagree with that? >> i do. in fact as the guardian can probably tell you i later made a call when this hit the web, and i had articulated my concern about some of the accuracy on this. but it remained. >> were there other aspects of the article that you expressed concerns about with regard to accuracy? >> i just want to know were there other inaccuracies? >> i believe this is the part that stuck out most to me, but there might have been, yes. >> so sheriff, tell me more about the 20-minute conversation that you had with your wife when you were outside city hall. what was discussed in that conversation? >> well, i was listening mostly. my wife had preceded to tell me about what was happening with the neighbor. she informed me about the existence of this video. i did not know about it. and then she told me that she felt betrayed by the n

>> yes. >> the words you used were not words ivory madison gave to you. they were your words, right? >> she also told me i really did not get it. i did not understand what she said, but she said to use the words that he pushed you and all those things, and when i was talking, i was saying, that did not happen. i am not going to say that. i am going to say the truth. this happened yesterday. >> what you said on the tape was the truth? >> yes, he grabbed my arm. >> had you on prior occasions consulted and talk with ivory about your relationship with ross? >> as a friend, she shared with me saying is about ivory, and i said of course. >> i am asking the new share incidents relating to your relationship with ross? >> yes. >> how frequently did you do that in the 12 months prior to december 31 chairman -- december 31? >> if you check that e-mails, they are over a year, so that means i was checking yesterday. that means these are now one or two e-mails. most of them are in march, when we were back and forth e-mails, because she suggested we look for a cleaner t

>> yes. >> the words you used were not words ivory madison gave to you. they were your words, right? >> she also told me i really did not get it. i did not understand what she said, but she said to use the words that he pushed you and all those things, and when i was talking, i was saying, that did not happen. i am not going to say that. i am going to say the truth. this happened yesterday. >> what you said on the tape was the truth? >> yes, he grabbed my arm. >> had you on prior occasions consulted