i didn't want to prove that i could be president of an ivy league university. i always wanted to be the best person i could be in the context of the values that shape to me. and i wanted to make sure that no matter what happened to me, i would still be that person who respected other people, who cared about difference, who listened to others. i cared more about those things than anything else. jeffrey: in fact, ruth simmons' memoir of her childhood ends well before the accomplishments that would would bring her renown. and so, of course, the only appropriate spot for family and friends to join her for a book launch party, here at hester house. for the pbs newshour, i'm jeffrey brown in houston. geoff: and there is more with dr. simmons online. you can hear her thoughts on what the end of affirmative action in college admissions could mean for higher education. that's on our youtube page. amna: join us tomorrow night for more. that's the newshour for tonight. i'm amna nawaz. geoff: and i'm geoff bennett. thanks for spending part of your evening with us. >> major

. >> ainsley: he is saying, i studied this and i believe it, he is ivy league trained and he loves toead. >> kayleigh: you go from congressman to running one of the biggest states in the country and getting bipartisan praise from obama's fema director. i interview him on abortion and we have news there, we'll be on newsroom and full interview on "outnumbered." >> ainsley: his staff says he is so educated and he will learn ins and outs and have press conferences and know what he is talking about. >> kayleigh: to get power back pretty much immediately is a big thing. >> ainsley: huge, i experienced it for 10 days, have to move your food, not fun. see the rest on "outnumbered" today and "americas newsroom." coming up, lawyers for alex murdaugh seeking new trial, citing jury tampering. a live report on the legal saga coming up next. d to target and remove them and helps prevent asthma attacks. fasenra is not for sudden breathing problems or other eosinophilic conditions. allergic reactions may occur. don't stop your asthma treatments without talking with your doctor. tell your doctor if y

this time he said he taught at an ivy league university.versity of pennsylvania taught political theory for four years in reality, biden was only an emeritus there, visiting professor, no records of what he ever read, not even one lecture survived, it seemed that biden? he was focused mainly on not getting lost and the us president spoke again in a strange hoarse voice. already, 77% of americans believe biden is too old for a second term. the worst thing for him is that 69% of democrats think so this week. two at a time is always friendly are set up and where are the parties of the newspaper, the new york times. and the washington post wrote that the president of the old washington post was done by columnist david ignatius, who has always had a ring for biden in the white house. there is another chance to say, no, this time to yourself by withdrawing your candidacy from the election race for 24 years. it may not be in biden's nature, but it would be a wise choice for the country. how unexpectedly for themselves the democrats were faced with

even the most prestigious the entire ivy league is in that same mode.because you have people like say however mcdonald or charles murray will come onto a campus they do so a with physical risk to themselves. and again the authorities do nothing. of course i don't normally go to those things anyway. but i have been to some of them where they had the police all around, the doors are locked and people outside banging on the windows and doors just to disrupt the talk that's going on inside. iron burbach in 1969, this is been going on a long time. it is so sad it has taken us so long to become aware of it. 1969 students at harvard went into the administration building. they seized it, one to the personal records were passing out all of the personal information for faculty and other things to the media and so on. the president of harvard called in the police. the harvard faculty gave a vote of no-confidence to the no confe president and he resigned. i think after that other presidents decided the way to get along is have preemptive surrender. that is been dev

that was more about any ivy league schools. the thing though in which he now tents demo is going to be defined by your site at the end of the, the how does the, what you to lead to the progress of that. so site. so what might be done that lives in the gym? i was, i mean i married might be a different type of gen out of them enough or so what kind of generally thing would you suggest to be helping africa? i am suggesting that your journalism should be fine, but you'll be void. feel people need more drinking more to get that for them. whatever it takes to get that for them. get in for that, leaving means that you have to one back up and get it for them to get it for the is really disagree with you. let me hear your voice, and that's my brother from the neighboring countries. i grew with you so much. i mean, it's not because i don't agree with the funds that known in john this. the him have tried to show that he takes it by the way. so i am assuming that it is what we do in front of it all the way from the news rooms into the acad

this reveals that the ivy league has become some four year mixer event for elites to get together andch other. the fact that college is afraid of free speech. you need free speech to learn and to teach. >> dana: brad was on gutfeld's show last week guest hosting and he wrote this in the "new york post." free speech is losing on campus. the fight to keep america's culture of free speech alive on life support is doomed unless we can reclaim our country's college campuses. what's interesting you have lori lightfoot, the former mayor of chicago, who got a sweet deal to go and be a guest lecturer at harvard and going the talk about dealing with the press. >> yeah. well, she certainly can't talk about good governance. oh, harvard, your murder rate on campus has quadrupled will lori lightfoot there. the idea that people are afraid of free speech because it might cause offense. dumb people are easily offended and we can't look out for what their feelings are. if the truth hurts your feelings the truth doesn't need to change your feelings do. >> dana: you are a comedian and do shows. do you no

one of the nation's ivy leagues funding student's future careers in drag.nths until the iowa caucuses and trump surging in the polls, are we headed toward a 2024 rematch? our voter panel is going to unpack it all, next. ♪ because it means everything to you. hey peyton, thanks for hosting slider sunday. you got it! but aren't we missing something? hmmm... look who saved slider sunday again! wow... eli! eli! eli! here we go... (♪) a perfect king's hawaiian slider. tastes good too! classic eli... love that guy! seriously? king's hawaiian slider sunday... the only way to sunday! ♪ (upbeat music) ♪ ( ♪ ) constant contact's advanced automation lets you send the right message at the right time, every time. ( ♪ ) constant contact. helping the small stand tall. >> lawrence: so former president trump not going to the debates but destroying the competition. leading the pack in nearly every poll. this one by over 40 points. how did he fair if he was the nominee. according to a new post abc poll that shocked mainstream media he is up double digits over biden. so how wou

does it run through the ivy league?tates generally , yes. states generally, yes. >> so i think so. there's two different two different ways to answer that. there's the longer scope, which is fire's been around for almost 25 years. so could speak to kind of what fire has seen in the 2—2 plus decades that's existed . and then we've that's existed. and then we've also been collecting this data like kind of survey data like this kind of survey data for four years. and so for the past four years. and so the common thread, i think , in the common thread, i think, in both both those buckets is, yeah, the elite schools and certainly the ivy league , we certainly the ivy league, we would say don't do very well on this issue. the highest performer in the ivy league is brown. they're ranked, i believe, 69th, so they're ranked around 70th. we ranked 250 schools. that's not necessarily terrible , but it's not very good terrible, but it's not very good . and the rest of the ivy league does does pretty poorly. the university of pennsy

first black president of an ivy league school with brown university.ite a beautiful trajectory from your humble beginnings. >> i wrote the book, jonathan, really to make sure that my students understood that there is nothing miraculous about what i've done. i have taken advantage of every opportunity to learn. >> we saw the supreme court strike down affirmative action programs in consideration of race in the admissions progress to universities. in talking about your story, i am wondering, what effect will this have on black students in the institutions of higher learning that prize diversity? >> it's one reason i wanted and i'm thankful my book is coming out now. young people might see this decision as blocking their path to opportunity. blocking their path to success and happiness. i want them to know that we've been through so many versions of the crisis. because of our forebears because of the activists, because of good and caring people, we have come through them. i am hoping that this gives them some view of how we will manage through this crisis.

last place i'd wan yout my kids to go to school now is an ivy league school. mean, they're so wok ivy le, it's getting so bad. there's no free, open exchange of ideas and opinions.pene >> what has happened over ? e time >> well, over time, a lot ofav these colleges have decidede that they just want to be so far to the left. 'rthey're appealing to the least educated are let me put it this way, maybe most educated, but the least intelligenta coup people. you know, give me a couple of rednecks in a pickup truck any dale o y over a whole bus full ofck ov harvard professors who don't har let students think for themselves and want to not le help them to understand't how to think, but indoctrinate them into they think. that's not the purpose of the university. it's to give students the ability to think for themselves and even to be controversial and to challenge their thoughts. that's not happening at harvard. challenge people are wasting their moneyay in a big way when they send their students there. >> nown th. w >> you know, i'll i'll takehot o a kid that went to

but in america i don’t hear any rumors, there are lawyers sitting around, it’s the heads of the ivy leaguebel laureates in economics or in politics or in literature. i don’t know if it’s in biology and i’m thinking. and exit there is no legal matter. please say something about this. well, first of all, i am not a lawyer. you must remember that these are things that i read and do not know personally, but i know from my readings that foxes - a specialist in the constitution and they are basically divided just as politics does not mean those who support trump and the republican party roughly argue what it is and those who are more inclined to the democratic party argue just the opposite and the fact is that this situation has never happened, no one predicted such a situation that some criminal element, some criminal person could be a candidate for president, but there are several important nuances here, so the nuances are that trump is unlikely to be convicted in the primaries before the elections, and yes, in the elections, yes, it is almost impossible, so he has every right to be a candidat

how he lied about what he taught at the ivy league.’s it. it's not even in a week of days in five chronicles of a diving president that it seems to me that biden's brain is turning to jelly, like his body, and the more time passes, the worse he gets. i don't know what medications exist to hide this problem, but it seems to me that they don't exist at all.

how he lied about teaching at an ivy league. although i didn’t read a single lecture and that’s it.n a week, five days, chronicles of a dive president. it feels like my brain is squeezing. she turns to jelly just like his body and the more time passes, the worse he becomes. i don't know what medications exist to hide this problem, but it seems to me that they don't exist at all. to whom jelly is expensive wine to whom, even if it is vinegar on duty, of course all the questions show that people are concerned about the age of the president, how can the president of america convince people that 80 is not so much. this is the new fortieth anniversary. haven't you heard? they ask this question about once a week. i already count lost this president in 2019 received the same criticism in 2020 he was also criticized in 2022. same criticism and every time he defeated the skeptics and every time he made history. but more and more often stories were coming out, bad ones, like with hunter hunter, biden, the president’s son, accused of the wrong side of history, was accused by the ministry of ju

is, a strict school uniform , strict hairstyles and everything must be perfect, that is, such an ivy leaguered. yes, including, of course, it’s a pre-post for me in general, here’s how for the artist's person is very close. eh, i'm very interested in this. i love the whole boarding school aesthetic. i like it when people dress neat and tidy. but it seems to me that everyone is inspired by harry potter too. naturally, this release of these films also influenced the new popularity of the style. although he probably never left the radar in the forties. except maybe in the era of the nineties, when grunge was still, well, at its peak, and so this wall of shirts. yes, some sweaters anyway, there were even ties there were even elements of pepe’s style, it’s just that he’s more informal, more drawn out, that is, they played up maybe acquired, but in his outskirts manner, and milan you play a lyceum teacher. yes, well, initially the story is that the heroine katerina, she e, not in an entirely honest way, but deserves a place as a hmm teacher in one of the main schools in moscow and she goes there.

igndthese ivy league universitis are now just pr parachutes for democrats. to ha >> i'm just going to have to send jesse junior to west poinvet. ameri >> up next, american women bragging about being unmarriedcl without children. plus, johnny's at the beacdrush >> my employees and i are excited to now it's -- it's our 20th anniversary. and to celebrate, we're bringing you a limited edition. mypillow that gives elegance. mypillow is made with the most amazing cotton, two inch pipe cuts. it comes in four custom mop levels, and it's machine washable and drivable. when i got mypillow, i'm asleep almost immediately i stay asleep at night and i wake up more well-rested in the morning. my patented fill. adjust your exact individual needs and helps keep your net supported in line. that's why we've been around for 20 years. because mypillow works. >> go to mypillow rt.com or call the number on your screen . use your promo code to get your limited edition 20th anniversary. mypillow queen size retails for 6998. not only 1998. >> that's right. only 1990 eight. >> with a

hundred campuses, something called two mystics circles run by dominican friars is now on every ivy league campus and many others. these, again, ten years ago, these things didn't exist and they proved that there's an understanding out there of the great need in this wasteland. unfortunately, that is the secular university today and sometimes the religious universities, too. so again, signs of hope. thank so much. thank you. what an excellent discussion. thank you so much. i want to give you our limited edition coffee mug with mrs. lucia's famous. courage is the ladder on which all other virtues mount. you're certainly a courageous lady. thank you. it's my favorite color, by the way. oh, good. it's the color of kings. and i want to give a copy of my book how to raise a conservative daughter. you probably could've written this. it covers a lot of areas with. certainly the area that you've just discussed. i give it to you with our thanks and our gratitude for all you've done and all you'll continue to do in the future. thank you. thank you, michelle. and

by letting people define what 10 out of them is for us that my live them is what i'm out in the ivy league. school was sitting though and looking now tense demo is going to be defined by your site at the end of the, the how does the, what you to lead to the progress of that. so site. so what might be jim l, as in jim l as in mean i'm mary, might be that different type of gen other than enough or so what kind of generally thing would you suggest to be helping africa? i am suggesting that your journalism should be fine, but you'll people, you'll, people need more drinking more to get that for them. whatever it takes to get that for them. get in for that, leaving means that you have to go and back up and get it for them to get it for the is really disagree with you. let me hear your voice and that's my brother from the neighboring countries. i disagree with you so much. i mean, it's not because i don't agree with the fact that it's known in john dizzy him, have tried to show that he didn't take that by the way. so i agree with that. it is what we do in terms of it's all the way from the news

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this is what i'm out in the ivy league schools sitting though and looking out tense demo is going to be defined by your site. at the end of the the how does the weight you to lead to the progress of that site? so what might be done that lives in the gym i live. i mean, how married might be that different type of gen other than enough or so what kind of generalising would you suggest to be helping africa? i am suggesting that your journalism should be fine, but you'll people, you'll people need more drinking water, get that for them. whatever it takes to get that for them, get in for that really means that you have to go in back of it and get it for them to get it for the is really disagree with you. let me hear your voice. and that's my brother. from the neighboring countries, i disagree with you so much. i mean, this is not because i don't agree with the fact that known in john is the him have tried to show that he didn't take that by the way. so i am assuming that it is what we do in front of it all the way from the news rooms into the academic. we do need some level way above that

. >> it used to be you want your kids to be to an ivy league school. free open exchange of ideas and opinions. what has happened over that time? >> well, over time, a lot of these colleges have decided they just want to be so far to the left, they're appealing to the least educated or let me put with it way, the most educated but the least intelligent. give me a couple of rednecks in a pickup truck over a bus full of harvard professors who don't let students think for themselves and won't help them understand them how to think but program them what to think. and even to be controversial and challenge their thoughts that's not happening at harvard. people are wasting their money in a big way when they send their students now. >> i'll take a kid who went to a state school and parents were civil servants like my parents were any day. governor thank you. love having you. appreciate it. programming note, back tomorrow night with live sued yoep audience and giving away free footballs. do you like free footballs? dough to hannity.com. set your dvr so you neve

out that showed there is very little, small percentage of income increase because of having an ivy leagueill have a better life but here's the reality, that is not the truth anymore. with trade schools exploding, new trades like technology schools, exploding. we see more in the headlines every day the corporations have to retrain college grads to do the work we need them to do and i see a splinter of education in the future because it can't keep going the way it is. there is a marketing line that says a college degree is the only way to success and that's not true. two questions parents need to ask, is a degree the only way or the best way to get the future i want? if the answer is no, good news, less expensive and less time-consuming alternatives are everywhere. ashley: technical schools in particular. pulling back a little bit, inflation has come down but it is sticky. gas is expensive and so on, rents, you name it. what are the biggest mistakes people make when they try to create a monthly budget? how do they get themselves in trouble? >> they get themselves in trouble when they don't

the suit accuses the ivy league school of breaching its contract by not providing instruction in exchangeenies wrongdoing, but looking to settle. students are being encouraged by the university to apply for a payment for a $3 million settlement fund. here's the kicker, if the settlement is approved it would mean those eligible would each receive $125. that may not do it. stuart: it is important. jason, come on back and please. this is important and in terms of principle it is important and i would expect many more lawsuits to follow this one. >> why should people pay their full tuition when they didn't get in person instruction. students are getting a good lesson in some of these attorneys. $125, paying more than 100 like you $5 for class session. they cost thousands of dollars to attend, $125 is a pittance. stuart: would you say colleges were flat out wrong going to remote learning for such a long time, the risk to students was minimal. >> totally agree. if they did do that and most of them did, why should students have to pay their full tuition. should have been discounted way back. stu

free speech foundation for individual rights and expression releetsed its annual report giving the ivy leagueon its free speech ranking. the foundation saying harvard is consistently near the bottom should harvard do something to fix this? again maybe -- maybe hook them up with the irish. right? aren't they into free speech joe mackie? >> only been there once and you have a few drinks in them they'll say whatever you want. but i'll say this why i've thought that people who go to harvard are best at repeating but they spend 200,000 about it a parrot you don't have to do this. >> free speech is bad on every campus right but harvard is even worse and the thing is they should be better because it is so expense eve and these are elites. they have freedom of speech to tell you they went to harvard i hear that a lot in new york city but it is hard to flunk a test you have to actively try to flunk something and they got a zero out of 100 on freedom of speech. which is crazy. but this same group that did this survey they surveyed 55,000 people and asked them all of these questions. 27% of students sai

they did notm emerge from the east coast they did not emerge from the ivy leagues. they did not have pedigrees at all. where did they come from? tell us a little bit about that and what they brought because of that experience to these momentous events? >> they were outsiders. they were not people who were born to rule in any sense. jon gunther grew up on wellington avenue in chicago at which a section where i live two. vincent was s raised in a small mining town which had a population of 7500 and southeastern illinois. southwestern illinois. dorothy thompson was born a minister's daughter and a small town outside of buffalo and hr knickerbocker grew up in texas. what did they get from that experience? they were people who really understood what the people back home needed tot know. and what were the strategies of thatha reporting that would interest them? that a finely grained census is not just the crowd but also all the big interwar reporters like eric or marrero, and grew up in bloomington, illinois. so they knew with their neighbors back home wanted to know. the

it doesn't take someone who is ivy-league educated to understand there are vast differences in the way we believe in things, the values we hold. you have to come together and run a country so figure it out. >> figure it out. >> jessica, it is great to hear from you. and hear from people who are actually going to be affected so severely by this. we appreciate your time today. thank you. >> yes, thank you so much. >> boris? >>> tributes are continuing to pour in for senator dianne feinstein. the california democrat has died at the age of 90. she was the longest serving female senator in history. also the first female mayor of san francisco. feinstein served in congress since 1992, and worked right until yesterday casting her final vote on the senate floor, voting on legislation to try to prevent a government shutdown. former congresswoman jane harmon actually met with feinstein just yesterday and today talked about that visit and the impact the senator had on those she met over the years. listen. >> i probably had the last meeting with her. late afternoon yesterday, i went to her home, h

important to note that this is a unique prep school, not your classic dc beltway to new england, ivy leagueeople certainly go to those schools but it embodies the blue collar personality of western pennsylvania. people come from all walks of life and they get together and bond. i think it is a unique experience and traditional class education and needs to be maintained and deserves the right to be -- i have 19 nephews, my two sons, all of my teammates and classmates feel the same way. i don't think the school was given the opportunity to take that barometric reading on what they are willing to do to maintain this. pete: hope you can mobilize the alumni. if not, it's going to become just another woke coed school and we have lots of those in this country. that is the standard. >> 135 years old, this withstood wars, depression, recession, all kinds of civil unrest. got to fight for the school and we've got a group of people not willing to let the school go, the country is counting on it. this is -- pete: everybody has to protect the institutions they are invested in or we lose them all and tha

it went from being union dominated to working-class to having an elite that comes from ivy league schools meritocracy. biden was always an outsider with those police because of the way he talks with his stories that are always so folksy and anecdotes he tells over and over again. he felt out of step. the iv leaders would roll their eyes at -- ive league would roll their eyes at him and he knew so he had a chip on his shoulder he always had and i think it meant he was prepared to go in different directions from other people around him. host: we have a question for you on x. how much better of an economy with president biden have a fake democrat joe manchin and monkey democrat kyrsten sinema had not gotten in the way of build back better? guest: i am not sure we would have a better economy but we would have this robust expansion of the safety net. it is really amazing to go back to the summer of 2021. you think about how close the country was to passing this 3.5 trillion dollars spending package that would've had universal pre-k, subsidized daycare, eldercare that really would have, in the

did not emerge from the ivy league. he did not have pedigrees at all. where did they come from? tell us all been a bit abod then what they brought because of that experience to these momentous events. >> yeah, they were outsiders. so they were not people who were born to rule in any sense. john gunther grew up on wellington avenue in chicago which is actually where i live, too. vincent sheean was raised in the small mining town which at that point had a population of 7500 in southeastern illinois. southwestern illinois. dorothy thompson was born administers a daughter in a sl town outside of buffalo, and h.r. knickerbocker grew up in yoakum texas. so what did they get from that experience? they were people who really understood what the people back home needed to know and what were the strategies of reporting that would interest them? so they had a finally green since in this is true not just of the crowd the last crew but i think also of the big interwar reporters of the air like eric sevareid or merle or edgar and paul mowrer who grewmi up in bloomington illinois. so they knew

. >> it is a little bit less obvious, but it is the university, it is ivy league, institution, it isave a 13 billion dollar endowment, it is one of the largest private landholders in the entire city. it is extraordinarily -- extremely well connected. >> and well-funded. they have paid out over 200 and $30 million to solve lawsuits some hundreds of survivors, yet, they accept no guilt. what else do we know to know about them? that is a lot of money to pay for something had nothing to do with. >> that is right. yeah. it is interesting because the last week, you talk about the statement they issued, and that is really the closest they have come to apologizing up until now. they have really only issued statements that have placed the blame solely on hadn't himself. >> what needs to change to ensure something like this never, ever happens again. when you think about a doctor of this nature, meeting with women, while they're pregnant, trying to get pregnant. the most personnel, the most intimate. >> yes, i mean we actually looked at a lot of other high profile cases at universities such as

. >> right, it is a little bit less obvious, but the university, obviously it's an ivy league.titution. we have a 13 billion dollar indictment. it's one of the largest private holders in the entire city. and it is extremely well connected. >> and well-funded. >> and they have paid out over 200 and $30 million to resolve lawsuits from hundreds of survivors, yet they accept no guilt. what else do we need to know about them? >> that's a lot of money to pay for something you had nothing to do with. >> that's, right it's interesting, because actually just last week you talked about the statement that they issued. and that's really the closest that they've come to apologizing up until now they've only issued statements that have placed to blame solely on hadden himself. >> what needs to change to ensure something like this never, ever happens again. when you think about a doctor of this nature, meeting with women, while they're pregnant, trying to get pregnant. the most personnel, the most intimate. >> yes, i mean we actually looked at a lot of other high profile cases at universitie

it went from being union dominated to working-class to having an elite that comes from ivy league schools meritocracy. biden was always an outsider with those police because of the way he talks with his stories that are always so folksy and anecdotes he tells over and over again. he felt out of step. the iv leaders would roll their eyes at -- ive league would roll their eyes at him and he knew so he had a chip on his shoulder he always had and i think it meant he was prepared to go in different directions from other people around him. host: we have a question for you on x. how much better of an economy with president biden have a fake democrat joe manchin and monkey democrat kyrsten sinema had not gotten in the way of build back better? guest: i am not sure we would have a better economy but we would have this robust expansion of the safety net. it is really amazing to go back to the summer of 2021. you think about how close the country was to passing this 3.5 trillion dollars spending package that would've had universal pre-k, subsidized daycare, eldercare that really would have, in the

. ♪ >> jesse: america's tick-tock dancing chicago mayor is going to the ivy league.s how they too can ruin a once great city. per class will include a simulated community meeting where you can ignore crime concerns of your residence and there will be mocked press conferences where you can only pick on reporters of color. just like when she said she will only grant one-on-one interviews to black and brown journalists. >> when i look out across this podium as i'm doing now, i don't see much in the way of diversity. to suggested that somehow i'm saying certain journalists are racist, really? the facts are the facts. >> jesse: do you think people are knocking each other over to take this class in the fall? >> jeanine: probably come as harvard. only at harvard would they have the doors wide open for people who have been voted out of office and think they should be teaching the next generation of leaders how to run a city, how to run a corporation. bill de blasio did a real mess in new york city i believe is a lecturer in harvard. dealing with the media? she says i'll only

the multimillionaire is gaining ground in the republican field by unleashing his ivy league debate skillshow we got the rise of wokeism 1.0. that is behind us. if you want to be countercultural, stick it to the man. i've got an idea for you. try calling yourself a conservative. try to see if you want to get married and have kids, raise them to believe in god and pledge allegiance to the flag. that is countercultural today. >> joining is now is jeffrey seinfeld, he is an associate dean for leadership studies at yale university. jeffrey, great to see you. you have said you are one of the few people who has dated ramaswamy publicly many times and that he is a master of smoke and mirrors. just to push back, a little as we get started, do you give him any credit for setting himself apart in this republican field in a way that he has the other canons going after him instead of somebody like a former vice president, a governor, and so on. it is kind of remarkable where he's placed himself at this moment. >> it is remarkable. it is almost identical playbook to what donald trump did in 2015, going

texas, you talk about your tries euros to become the president, the first black president of an ivy leaguedefinitively and that my oldest siblings could not even graduate from high school because they had to work and fields. that had the priority. but here is someone who said, well you are smart, and you can do all kinds of things, and that is what stuck in my mind. >> dr. simmons, your journey and even which we continue to do now is so important, advising on hbcus with harvard and other work, but the whole trajectory of where he started to where you have gone is so inspiring to young people, and you're talking about your teaching that you met, and not you being an example to so many others, but do you feel that many americans really don't understand how devastating segregation and before slavery was and even shapes a lot of the mentality and psyche that we are dealing with today, because even though we are in another phase of american history, we still are being impacted by what happened in segregation and slavery. my parents lived and rigid segregation. i didn't know, it but they raised