and i think for the most part, we just abandoned, jack kemp used to talk about conservative common sensemmon sense on so many fronts. when it comes to the culture war, it's become totally a political game today rather than, you know, how do we listen to each other to learn from each other, or to hear each other as opposed to listening to each other to respond, to each other. so when these things get over into the arena of politics, it is just kind of katy-bar-the-door towards common sense. charles: yeah. it's, you know, you could kind of see these things happening. retreat from church, retreat from the belief in god. retreat from i think, rejection of large institutions particularly. and just sort of this, this faith, this lack of faith in the greatness of america seems to be the underpinning for all of this and that is what worries me, because, you know, obviously america is not perfect but jc, there is nothing better than america out there. we always improve. we steadily improve. >> well you know, charles, you mentioned the church and of course i grew up in a family of pastors. i'm a m