so while jack kennedy said, stay away from the funeral. bobby kennedy did what he often did with jack's advice in those days, he ignored it and he was going to stand up for his buddy, joe mccarthy. that was bobby kennedy the loyalist. could you say i don't know what you think of joe mccarthy, but there was something noble about his being there when there was a potential risk. the other half of bobby kennedy back then was bobby kennedy the realist. he knew some day he wanted his brother to be president and new someday he might run for office himself. so he went to the funeral, he showed up for his buddy, joe mccarthy. weigh he was going to make sure nobody was going to see him. anybody 0 who saw him wasn't going to talk about it. the two sides of bobby kennedy, the loyalist side, the realist side and that's who bobby kennedy was back then. >> he starts out as the ultimate cold warrior, much like his dad, joe kennedy was. i want it take you from that years, 1957, to a moment that i think was, if bobby kennedy had any single epiphany moment in

jack kennedy was from the world war ii. we know what life is like generation. bobby kennedy was enlisted in the navy and he saw active duty going out of port and coming back to port and i think falling once and nicking his lip. that was the one injury bobby kennedy ended up with. the rest of his life, he felt a little bit inadequate because he hadn't fought in the war. he spent so much of his life dealing with what he thought were inadd question inadequate. bobby is the one his dad described as the runt of the litter. the one who was least likely to be able to do anything and bobby spent his life working harder than any of his siblings to show his dad that he wasn't the runt and he could get things done. in the end, joe kennedy acknowledged that the kid was most like him, the kid he most adored, i think in the end, and the kid he made executor of his estate. there was nothing more important than joe kennedy to execute that estate was his son, bobby kennedy. so, we have time for one more question. one more question. >> thank you very much. so my question is, the

the closest thing america has ever had to a co-presidency was on bobby kennedy was jack kennedys internally -- attorney general. he was is cia director he consulted bobby kennedy more often than the secretary of state on foreign affairs. he was the guy that jack kennedy knew he could go to whether it was the bay of pigs or civil rights were the cuban missile crisis. he could go and bobby would have his back pick he would look out for what was best for the country and what was best political leave for jack kennedy. that was an extraordinary relationship. he knew if he was seen at the funeral, he had to be there because he was loyal but he knew if that was published it would hurt jack. trying to have it both ways but he was always trying to help his brother and he did. >> he also wanted to be loyal.>> he did. there was a magical moment and i am not sure when it happened. 1957 where bobby understood when jack was alive that he had a political career himself and they joked that after he done it for eight years, you know joe kennedy had aspirations to be the president and during world war ii at

he has the best smile in american politics since jack kennedy.e's able to use that to good effect. but president bush is correct we should get out of the presidential president to president denegration business. it's bad for the presidency and bad for the united states. we don't need to be doing that. i will say this and you probably feel the same way. i have a lot of international business. when i'm off the shore of the united states i never criticize president obama or the obama administration. i think it's an unfortunate thing to be doing over there. jesse: do you think president obama realizes the toll it took on his country when it came to race relations and economic wage stagnation. and foreign policy. does he get that? there are a lot of people in this country who think what he did overseas and domestically took the united states a decade backwards. >> what i do any on the economy, he had left-leaning policies and he had never run a business or made payroll. you don't realize how bad these left-wing policies are until you are actually in b

as you know my father was one of two people and worked for jack kennedy in 1960. so you can just imagine how exciting that was. my brother tommy -- eight years later my brother tommy was mayor of baltimore for robert kennedy. and he loved robert kennedy. and my brother is like the finest most wonderful values-based values-based, i call him a politician because that was something very noble. and there was so many things that attracted people to bob kennedy. it wasn't problematic. it was almost spiritual. when the campaign was announced, so they go to the maryland convention and they're going to endorse and elect -- establish the process for electing delegates from maryland. my father, old school, chair of the party all that stuff, he was the mailer for 12 years, all that, he was for hubert humford, his friend, right, and my brother was for robert kennedy, another generation. and that clash of generations was one that took place within our own family. again, two wonderful people, values based both my brother and my father and hubert humphrey and robert kennedy. so wh

jack kennedy started a lot and lyndon johnson is not that good at it. kennedy was great at it.made the first plunge into the war and to this day i don't know and the people all say i wrote a book about kennedy that is a lot but unfortunately i learned a lot of other stuff from the secret service so that became their dedication with the book. it's not 18 chapters about assassinations he was involved in with his brother and it compromises made by investigation and scorched earth policies that were in this is what orwell was talking about. we did it in vietnam. that's how it goes. >> you went back to [inaudible] about three years ago -- >> i do not want to go back ever but i made my first fame and as i said, my wife and kids and the dog, the cat, the gerbil, the mice and all the animals buried in the backyard wanted me to go back. after some years i finally did and i wrote a piece for the new yorker about it. what i don't say in describin describing -- there's a couple chapters with more detail about doing the story but what he is talking about there is if you read what's his name

that was jack kennedy. he learned from his mistakes and we know that he had a relationship. there is a bit of history to learn from that the democrats are steeped in as well as america. >> and i think there's something else here that we have to remember. ronald reagan have the right idea, talking about russian activity, trust but verify. and i think that message has to be sent once again that until such time as it can prove that what they are telling us is truthful, we will verify everything they say and everything they say that they are going to do. >> and you gave us some great information today, also, on what is being done to protect us in november and down the road. we really appreciate your time, senator mike rounds. thank you. >> thank you. >> harris: i'd like to bring in caitlin qe burns. caitlin, as we look at the president about to make his remarks and you see a group of senators that fox news has confirmed, they want to make some sort of resolution that says we do believe the intelligence, the story is moving forward now. what are you seeing western mark >> the sto

. >> he famously says about jack kennedy, we're going to build jack like soap plates. >> what's the mostkennedy is marketed the way you market a movie star, theme song sung by frank sinatra, there's people appealing to him on television -- >> candidates need no introduction. the republican candidate, vice president richard m. nixon, and the democratic can debt, senator john f. kennedy. >> there's richard nixon on television looking fairly unkempt. >> our medical care for the age is much better handled than it is at the present time. >> at least compared to the physically cool and strategically cool younger guy. >> research has shown that if you watch the debate, you thought kennedy won. if you listened, you thought nixon won. the projection of cool, that complex power and composure won the day, visually. he may have lost on points in terms of the debate, but he won where it counts, which is on image. >> as we move into a medium where the world is not about huge stadium speeches and barn stormers where you go like this and articulate wildly. now it's a camera in your face. kennedy has the

. >> he famously says about jack kennedy, we're going to build jack like soap plates. >> what's the mostg a product? the packaging. ♪ >> kennedy is marketed the way you market a movie star, theme song sung by frank sinatra, there's people appealing to him on television -- >> candidates need no introduction. the republican candidate, vice president richard m. nixon, and the democratic can debt, senator john f. kennedy. >> there's richard nixon on television looking fairly unkempt. >> our medical care for the age is much better handled than it is at the present time. >> at least compared to the physically cool and strategically cool younger guy. >> research has shown that if you watch the debate, you thought kennedy won. if you listened, you thought nixon won. the projection of cool, that complex power and composure won the day, visually. he may have lost on points in terms of the debate, but he won where it counts, which is on image. >> as we move into a medium where the world is not about huge stadium speeches and barn stormers where you go like this and articulate wildly. now it's a cam

made two points, one was created in thousand jobs, the federal workforce is the smallest since jack kennedy was president. it worked. it inoculated him from the charges that he was just another big spending liberal. barack obama didn't understand that unfortunately. he never got himself inoculated, never did what it would take to be inoculated from those charges and he and the democratic party paid a big price in my opinion. democrats who run nationally and in political states desperately need that inoculation so these reforms were not only important because of a matter to the kids and therefore the future in this country but want to get control of congress and the white house back. having said that we are going to move on to our next speaker, mayor james from kansas city, already heard from him once. mayor james has been mayor since 2011, look forward to what you have got to say. >> thank you, great to be part of anything discussing education. i want to give you a little context. as a mayor i have no control over any of the 15 school districts in kansas city, 318 mi. and 475,000 people. no

because on the surface, it's, you know, all sinatra and jack kennedy but really, underneath it all, it'sd -- and real mass. >> seth: i want to ask you about this. because you, obviously, you write a book. you go out, you do press about your book. but because of everything else you do, you know i'm going to ask you other questions. >> sure. >> seth: i'm going to ask you about your show on sunday. i'm gonna ask you about -- other people you've interviewed. have you been surprised? but someone else that's doing press right now is president bill clinton. >> yeah. >> seth: and he seems very caught off guard when he is also asked about specifically the "me too" movement. have you been surprised -- >> stunned. >> seth: at his failure to predict that those questions were coming? >> first of all, i know some of the people on that team. and i'm sure that they tried to prepare him, but i've been amazed at how poorly he's handled these questions. i mean, a lot of them, you could have anticipated. the world has changed in just the last year. it was, i mean, i think -- who was the emmy -- who was "the

jack kennedy once killed the subscription at the white house for the "new york herald tribune" which was a moderate republican newspaper. wish we still had a moderate republican newspaper. and of course nixon he wouldn't talk to -- he said no more interviews with the "washington post," don't let them in the house, i'll fire you if you let them in. what's this about pettiness here? why is trump thinking he can hurt the critics by denying them clearances? >> chris, i feel like we say this every week, but this really is a new low. people who practice law in the security clearance world say there's no precedent for this in american history. an american president using the power that he has over classified information to lash out at his political enemies. it's nixonian, chris. >> i think it is. >> and the hoax comment is so deeply cynical because look, donald trump has been briefed on very detailed intelligence that we have not seen in public that shows that vladimir putin supervised this russian interference operation. he's seen e-mails. he's seen communications intercepts. he's seen the

whether it be bill clinton who claimed irish heritage, jack kennedy the same, ronald reagan, a lot ofe special relationship, they can speak the national language and have an affinity with the contrary, on an intrinsic personal level. would it sting someone like him not to get the full red—carpet treatment? he will get even with the queen tomorrow, but will it hurt? there is no doubt about it. he would have envisaged the idea of travelling down the wall with gold—plated with the queen, having tea at buckingham palace. knowing how thin—skinned donald trump is, it will be a blow to his prestige on the go. would you expect the business leaders that it to do? they have been carefully selected. what message of the bringing? they will tap into the idea that the united states is open for business and so was the united kingdom. when you look at the fact involved with this, the united states is worth £100 billion in terms of uk exports, we import £16 billion to the united states, we cannot exist without one another. donald trump wants to make america a great again, he needs to do that by sellin

kennedy: luxury taxes on new construction that jack up rents. >> right. edy: santa monica and beverly hills are not cob gatedo offer public housing. >> and why should midwest pay for it, that why donald trump won. kennedy: if i am going to have to pay for someone else's rent. i don't think you can afford cable. i don't know that you can afford a 6 car, if you want government in your life that much, then, you have to go all in. kennedy: if there is government buy in, they will have some say. >> you already have a million welfare programs to do this already, clearly, all these programs we have to subsidize housing at state and federal level that we have, you know, snap, snap program. and food stamps. second 8 housing -- sections a how thing these programs call us billions per year, they are failing to solve a problem that government created, they want successful people or people who are just getting by who can barely afford their own rent, can you imagine if people could weekeep their own money, they cd pay for rent, housing and children to go to college. so

kennedy, who serves phenomenally every day in the house of representative where jack kennedy began in 1947. and didn't he do a phenomenal job in being the responder to donald trump's state of the union address. i give you the great joe kennedy! [ applause ] >> senator markey, thank you for the extraordinary kind words, as always. thank you for your friendship on. sorry to do this to you, but to multiple generations of my family. and for a friendship, a relationship that goes back in all sincerity longer than i've been alive. we are so grateful for your service to our country and for your commitment to massachusetts and for always being there for us as a friend. always. so thank you and to susan, as well. thank you so, so much. [ applause ] this is a dangerous thing to do, so i'm going to do it briefly. i know my other family members have been recognized, but love you. thanks for coming. thanks for having me. box checked. to my fellow members of the house that are here, and forgive me as it's a partial list i caught coming in, but peter welch, charlie christ, steve cohen, the dean of t

brian: in this picture is jacqueline kennedy and her warnecke.band, jack when you see that, what is your reaction? ms. kennan warnecke: i knew they had a romance. it looks like it was taken at that time. whoas the architect designed president kennedy's grave. so he worked very closely with the first lady. brian: and the architect of the hart building in the senate here , among other things. how serious was the relationship? think --n warnecke: i my guess is she was not very serious about it. architect. his financial picture went up and down dramatically from time to time. liked to marry people with money and position. i do not think in the long run -- i think this was something she enjoyed and it was very short. she broke it off. i do not think it was going anywhere. i met him at a party in san francisco. i had just returned from cuba. not being back from in cuba, i am sorry. i would go with my husband, and we were going to go together. he was writing argument -- writing articles about cuba. we learned that the cubans would not give me a visa. so i had to make my way back to san francisc

in this picture is jacqueline kennedy and your second husband, jack warnecke. reaction? e: i knew they had a romance before i met him. it looks like it was taken at that time. he was the architect who designed president kennedy's grave. so he worked very closely with the first lady. brian: and the architect of the hart building in the senate here, among other things. how serious was the relationship? grace: i wasn't involved in the relationship. i think he took it -- -- my guess is she was not very serious about it. he was an architect. he was not impoverished but his financial picture went up and down dramatically from time to time. she obviously liked to marry people with money and position. i do not think in the long run -- i think this was something she enjoyed and it was very short. she broke it off. i do not think it was going anywhere. brian: how did you meet him? grace: i met him at a party in san francisco. i had just returned from cuba. brian: what were you doing in cuba? grace: i had not been in cuba. i'm sorry. i just came back from not being in cuba. gone wit

kennedy. the baltimore sun, the washington star, the los angeles times, the washington post, and together with jack jerman he published a syndicated column. many of you in this audience perhaps remembers jack overtired here to jefferson county after his long career in journalism. jack was also on the maclachlan tv show for a number of years. jules were great friends and colleagues -- college. they wrote many papers together on presidential campaigns. start as a journalist in 1954. in addition to the books he cowrote with jack, he is the author of 13 more books including a biography of jill biden and the resurrection of richard nixon and, more recently, the american vice presidency. our other historian and author is johnnd reporter bohrer who has written in many different papers. he is the author of the " revolution of john kennedy." this is his first book and a good one that explores the kennedy's difficult odyssey after the assassination of his brother in 1963. said jackrough brilliantly captures the compassionate hero who still country a half a century later. i agree with that and i'm sure jack l

it explores kennedy's difficult odyssey after the assassination of his brother in 1963. joe scarborough of "morning joe" said of this book jack captures entities evolution to a compassionate hero who still inspires the world a half a century later. i agree with that, and i'm sure that jack likes that. it comes from his boss, joe scarborough. day job is producer for "morning joe" on msnbc. mr. bohrer is a graduate of washington college and is a resident of new york. our monitor -- moderator for today's discussion is don ritchie, in the middle there. the historian emeritus of the united states senate, who served in the senate historical office for almost 40 years from 1976 up to 2015. i were graduate students at the university of maryland together. he is also a member of the board of directors here at the byrd center. he is a graduate of the city college of new york, the university of maryland, and served in the u.s. marine corps. his books include "the u.s. congress, a very short introduction" "press gallery," and "electing fdr: the new deal campaign of 1932." please welcome our panel. [applause] take it away, don. don: thank

kennedy." mr. witcover wrote for "the baltimore sun," the washington star, the los angeles times, the "washington post" and together with jack jerman witcover wrote a column politics today five days a week for 24 years. a syndicated column. many of you in this audience perhaps remember jack jerman who was retired here to jefferson county after his long career in journalism. jack was also on the mclaughlin group tv show for a number of years. jack and jules witcover were great friends and colleagues over many years and wrote four books together on presidential campaigns. witcover was born in union city, new jersey, in 1927, he got his start as a journalist with the new house newspapers in 1954. in addition to the books, he co-wrote with jack jerman, mr. witcover is the author of 13 more books, including a biography of joe biden and the resurrection of richard nixon and more recently the american vice presidency from irrelevance to power. our other historian and author today and reporter, television news producer is john bohrer whose writing has appeared in the new york magazine, the new republic, "politico," "usa today." he i

>> robert kennedy understood vulnerability from the early age. his mother said he was born seven years after jack and joe and then another seven or eight years before teddy. he did not have any boy playmates to roughhouse with. he went to more schools that he could remember as a child and he i think really understood being alone and feeling of loneliness. children he could relate to well.>> i was told to get that attention. he was my favorite kennedy after that i think he was considered the runt of the brothers. he wasn't physical like his older brothers, especially joseph, the older brother and he needed to prove something and he had that double personality of someone who needs to prove something.>> he was not built for but he was lettered at hard -- harvard. he willed himself to be stronger and work harder.>> another question or comment? >> in 1968 i wrote a paper as a senior in college and i cited your book for sociology that i took at boston university. this may be a hard question and i want to thank you but a couple weeks ago it came out that rfk junior met with sirhan sirhan and convinced h

kennedy understood vulnerability from a very early age. you have to remember he was, his mother actually said that he was born i think seven years after jack and joe. and then another seven or eight years before teddy. so he didn't have any boy playmates to sort of roughhouse with. he went to more schools than he could remember as a child. i think he really understood that being alone and feeling loneliness. as children, i think he could relate to well, who maybe felt on the side. >> i was thrilled to get that attention and he was my favorite kennedy, after that. but i have to say -- i think he was considered the runt of the kennedy brothers. and he wasn't a physical athlete like his older brothers, especially the joseph, the older brother. and he needed to prove something and so he had that, that double personality. someone who needs to prove something. >> he wasn't built for it. but he actually lettered at harvard instead of them. so he willed himself to be a better athlete. he willed himself to be stronger. thanks for your comment. that was nice to hear. >> in 1968 i was clean for gene. in 1969 i wrote a paper as a senior in college and

lyndon johnson, you wrote the following: when kennedy won the nomination, johnson sent him a telegram. remember those?hn [laughter] lbj now means let's back jack. johnson was not so subtly are signaling his interest as kennedy'san personal secretary would later write, it was almost as if romeo and julieted had gotten married. >> guest: i mean, the scene in the hotel during the convention where robert kennedy is trying to stop johnson from agreeing to be jfk's running mate is just incredibly brutal. because it went on, basically, for hours where rfk is shuttling up and down the stairs trying to convince johnson not to do this because they just hated each other so viscerally. >> host: but john kennedy wanted him. >> guest: he did, because he needed him. they did not love each other, but he needed johnson to win the south. so a lot of this is, you know, very machiavellian, they need to win. and so back then they would get a vice president who could win certain sections of the country. it's changed a lot since then. i think that the caller was right that mike pence absolutely helped donald trump with the conservative base and the republican party.

>> robert kennedy understood vulnerability from the early age. his mother said he was born seven years after jack and joe and then another seven or eight years before teddy. he did not have any boy playmates to roughhouse with. he went to more schools that he could remember as a child and he i think really understood being alone and feeling of loneliness. children he could relate to well.>> i was told to get that attention. he was my favorite kennedy after that i think he was considered the runt of the brothers. he wasn't physical like his older brothers, especially joseph, the older brother and he needed to prove something and he had that double personality of someone who needs to prove something.>> he was not built for but he was lettered at hard -- harvard. he willed himself to be stronger and work harder.>> another question or comment? >> in 1968 i wrote a paper as a senior in college and i cited your book for sociology that i took at boston university. this may be a hard question and i want to thank you but a couple weeks ago it came out that rfk junior met with sirhan sirhan and convinced h

kennedy didn't set out to be president. for years, he was his older brother's jack most trusted adviser, his enforcer as attorney general. him to the suffering of others. as senator, he turned against the war in vietnam, which had been jack's war. at first, he stayed out of the 1968 campaign, but when anti-war candidate eugene mccarthy almost beat incumbent president lyndon johnson, kennedy got in, announcing from the same senate caucus room his brother had used. >> i am today announcing hi candidacy. >> for the presidency of the united states. >> i was not interested in running for president. i was not interesting in opposing president johnson per se. what i was interested in is trying to develop a meaningful policy in vietnam. >> reporter: kennedy knew it wouldn't be easy. >> i'm going to have a very, very rough road ahead of me. i have five months even before the convention comes. >> just two weeks later, johnson dropped out. >> i shall not seek and i will not accept the nomination of my party for another term as your president. >> i congratulate the president on his generosity and his patriotism in taking the step th

kennedy: they need to hold on and sit down for a second. they are more dependent on us than we are on them. does that give us the right to be jerks and start jackingp tariffs? no, i don't believe it does. every administration wants western europe to pony up more for nato it's only fair. yes we have a thriving economy and the world's largest military. arguably we spend too much on the military. but that doesn't mean that gives everyone who wants protection from the former soviet union a pass in payment. >> the failure of nato members to meet their payment obligations, john kennedy, barack obama, jimmy carter. this has been going on for some time. the difference is we did it in private. the key european leaders understand they need to meet their obligations. kennedy: they are being defensive. >> only 3 countries are meeting their 2% gdp payment. but we are calling them out publicly and that's unseemly according to them. kennedy: the president will meet with the queen and it's going to be like a scene out of naked gun. i cannot wait. you know what i'm most of looking for? i'm most of looking forward to england winning the world cup. kennedy: i think

kennedy had direct line to khrushchev. that's what i would see this meeting as. renewing engagement and renewing open lines of conversation. >> martha: so, strategic advantage or ultimately disadvantaged? joining me now, jack keane, fox news strategic analyst and chairman of the institute for the study of war. always good to have you with us, general. we all watched with great interest in and it was quite something. what was your take away? >> first of all, i'm delighted they got together. it makes all the sense in the world for many reasons and given the major, major international global security issues that are really on the table between our two countries and our allies, that is absolutely a good thing and anybody that argues a against that is dead wrong. number two, putin did what i expected them to do. score a propaganda victory and why his way through every single issue as the hypocrite that he truly is, and coated those issues in a way that is certainly favorable to russia and what he's doing. but really, the stunner for me, and sadly to say disappointment, was in the president's two major mistakes i think he made. one is not to stand behind the intelligence community, as everybody has been talking

the closest thing america has ever had to a co-presidency was on bobby kennedy was jack kennedys internally -- attorney general. he was is cia director he consulted bobby kennedy more often than the secretary of state on foreign affairs. he was the guy that jack kennedy knew he could go to whether it was the bay of pigs or civil rights were the cuban missile crisis. he could go and bobby would have his back pick he would look out for what was best for the country and what was best political leave for jack kennedy. that was an extraordinary relationship. he knew if he was seen at the funeral, he had to be there because he was loyal but he knew if that was published it would hurt jack. trying to have it both ways but he was always trying to help his brother and he did. >> he also wanted to be loyal.>> he did. there was a magical moment and i am not sure when it happened. 1957 where bobby understood when jack was alive that he had a political career himself and they joked that after he done it for eight years, you know joe kennedy had aspirations to be the president and during world war ii at

happened. 1957 where bobby understood when jack was alive that he had a political career himself and they joked that after he done it for eight years, you know joe kennedy had aspirations to be the president and during world war ii at the start of world war ii when he was the u.s. ambassador to great britain he not only had the opportunity and that eventually became public and never denied it. the boston globe helped get him fired. the moment that joe kennedy knew it could not be him it was going to be his son and in order of birth. joe junior until joe junior was killed in a courup on the back of a flat bed truck and for the next five minutes, he gives one of the great speeches for the greatest speech in the history of american political oratory. he is telling the audience that night, several hundred people, he is telling 90 % of them for the first time that their slain leader has been killed. luther king is gone. you can hear if you listen on youtube to the speech. you can hear gasps from the audience and people are devastated. he proceeds for the first time in his life to talk about what it was like to lose his own brother and the anger he felt when