now, the reporters on this story are jacob soboroff and julia ainsley. we're going to be speaking with jacob in just a moment. but the origin of this story, i have to tell you, started with a tip that we received on this show, a tip about the border that led to this reporting that is allowing us to break this story tonight. the tip that we got was specifically about this border station. this is the u.s. border patrol station in yuma, arizona. now, you have not previously heard anything about this particular border station in all of the recent reporting on the bad conditions and facilities run near the border by the trump administration. i mean, the ones that you have heard about, we can put them on a map. the first homeland security inspector general report that we got in may was about terrible conditions in and around el paso. that led to a bunch of follow-up reporting including some especially dire reports about a facility just outside el paso in clint, texas. last week then we got another homeland security inspector general report about trump administr

we're back with katy tur and jacob soboroff from msnbc.ion. >> it's exciting. >> stephen: unfortunately, i'm sure you've got a lot to talk about. how bad is the swamp? donald trump ran on-- >> draining it. >> stephen: how bad is it? what level are we at? are we like at golden age corruption? is this nigeria? t.at is washington like right now? >> it is full of alligators and every time you walk down the street you get bit on the ankles and maybe the arms. they come up and they bite you. >> that's fair. >> stephen: what are the more redolent examples-- >> money. money. there's so much money in politics. the most money spent on a 2018-- on a midterm was 2018. >> about $6 billion. go ahead, sorry. >> stephen: it's not necessarily people lining their pockets with government contracts. it's the political industrial complex making money off the elections. >> you talked a lot about this. we talked to arizona. raly 6% of people in arizona have solar power as a direct amount of money, the perverse amount of money flooding into the system, and ar o t

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let's begin with nbc's jacob soboroff >> reporter: for the first time since a record surge of migrants at the border, conditions inside an arizona detention center are in the spotlight, after nbc news obtained dozens of reports from the department of health and human services chronicling allegations of mistreatment of migrant children in custody. among the new allegations contained in these so-called significant incident reports from the yuma border patrol station, sexual assault a girl from honduras described a large bearded officer putting his hands inside her bra and gropg her. the girl's case manager writing she, quote, reported she felt embarrassed that the officer was speaking in english to other officers and laughing during the entire process in another report, a 16-year-old guatemalan boy said after he and others in his cell complained about the taste of food and water,officers took sleeping mats out of their cells in retaliation, forcing them to sleep on concrete although the allegations were made between april and june, the department of homeland security only now responding

and i think it's important to know that. >> jacob soboroff for us in los angeles. thank you, sir.eep us posted. >>> from that nbc news kploous exclusive to another nbc news exclusive. we sat down with the latest woman to break her silence about jeffrey epstein. she claims that epstein raped her when she was 15 years old. this is the fallout over labor secretary alex acosta's handling of the epstein case intensifies. one senior white house official now reportedly wants him out. we have learned that he is going to be talking to reporters in about three hours. n about three hours. i didn't have to call 911.help. and i didn't have to come get you. because you didn't have another heart attack. not today. you took our conversation about your chronic coronary artery disease to heart. even with a stent procedure, your condition can get worse over time, and keep you at risk of blood clots. so you added xarelto®, to help keep you protected. xarelto®, when taken with low-dose aspirin, is proven to further reduce the risk of blood clots that can cause heart attack, stroke, or cardiovascular d

. >>> turning back here to the u.s., nbc news' julia ainsley and jacob soboroff.arming themselves against possible riots. migrants were, quote, stands on toilets because of the over crowding to gain breathing spaib space and make rooms. only four temporary showers at the facility with limited access to showers and clean clothing. detainees were wearing soiled clothing for days and weeks. this, as save the children, has been at the border, working for children who have been enduring similar conditions for weeks, sometimes months and the trauma of these children responding for the first time in their 100-year history, save the children is responding to a humanitarian crisis inside the u.s. as cynthia mcfadden saw on a recent visit with save the children board member jennifer garner. >> kids don't care if you've been in movies. >> no, they have no idea, nor do they care i can't speak spanish. >> though she's working on it. >> i get to see the beauty of kids in the worst circumstances. they've gone without baths, without food, without medical care and they're here, ha

there is a culture of using this type of language within cpd and we have not seen a response. >> jacob soboroff, thank you for your reporting in los angeles. >>> president trump is politicizing the national 4th of july celebration. we'll look at his plans and the cost for the festivities. you are watching "velshi & ruhle," live on msnbc. watching & ruhle," live on msnbc. (kickstart my heart by motley crue)) (truck honks) (wheels screeching) (clapping) (sound of can hitting bag and bowl) (clapping) always there in crunch time. "i got it!" so bookers are booking a one, two, three, that's a four day weekend "awesome" and with getaway deals on accommodation starting from 15 percent off, you can be a booker at booking dot com on accommodation starting if you have moderate toff, little things can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. it may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. otezla is associated with an increased risk of depress

. >> jacob soboroff, one of the reporters who broke this story who's been covering the migrant crisis from the beginning. the 15-year-old girl went onto say the officer was laughing during the pat down and she felt embarrassed by it. what else did these children describe? >> basically abuse and behavior that really could be criminal if proven to be true. that's what's so important on what we are seeing here. we have not seen anything yet from inside border patrol agents and outside of the state of texas. those of course were limited to the types of conditions these young children were in. over crowding and unsanitary conditions and those conditions exist as well in yuma. every report that julia ainsley and i reviewed had children staying in the facility longer than 72 hours. it goes to these horrible allegations, sexual assault and retaliations by border patrol officers specifically saying they wanted to taste lisay that tasted like chlorine. one young man wore soiled pants for one day. another young man says he was called a homophobic slur. this suggests a much managerial problem wit

joining me now nbc news correspondent jacob soboroff. former correspondent carlos carvalho and barbara boxer who hosts the boxer podcast. jacob, let me start with you. the report from the oig. i'm going to read from it. senior managers at several facilities raised security concerns for their agents and detainees. for example, one called the situation a ticking time bomb. it really underscores the fact that they seem to have understood just how bad things had gotten. and just how much of a problem this was going to be. and yet, nothing seems to be done. >> yeah, you hit the nail on the head, kasie. and i think the ticking time bomb very clearly references and is an accurate description of the seven facilities in the rio grande valley. but not only there, it can be applied to the facilities that julia ainsley and i reported on earlier this week in the el paso sector. and frankly that phrase, a ticking time bomb, can be ascribed to the border patrol system that's been in this country for decades. it's never been worse than it is right now in

also joining me jacob soboroff, who has broken numerous stories about the treatment of migrants at the border including allegations of sexual assault and retaliation by border agents in yuma, arizona. ms. frye, let he start with you today. you spent time in migrant detention facilities with children. what did you want to make clear to congress about what you have seen? >> i wanted to make it clear that this is cruel and unusual and intentional punishment of children who haven't done anything, who are coming here, fleeing draconian circumstances. they're children who are come into our care, and we treat our dogs better than we treat these children. i wanted congress to understand that you can't throw money at it, that once they were outed for what was happening at the clint facility in el paso, they released a cbp went down from 2500 children to 350 before the appropriations bill came out. this isn't a situation where you throw money. this is a question of the choices we make. and the choices that we make as an american people. >> jacob, you have reported about this yuma facility, and r

our own jacob soboroff has seen some of these border facilities with his own eyes, but wow, this report, even though we knew so much, it was shocking to see it all there in one place. your reaction to this new report which cites immediate health and safety concerns not at one, or two, but seven different sites. >> you just read what i believe to be the key phrase, that this thing is a ticking time bomb. this is not just a phrase that can be used to describe the conditions in those seven facilities in the rio grandly valley. the facility i've been inside, that central processing station there in the rio grande valley where they separated more kids than anywhere else along the southern border, the ticking time bomb can be used to describe the way the border has been detaining migrants for decades. these are prisons, jails. they treat migrants as if they are prisoners, as if they are criminals coming into this country. they've always been set up as intake/jail processing type stations where no one is supposed to be there longer than 72 hours, and it was only a matter of time before they wo

nbc nres corondents katy tur and jacob soboroff.ig special project to share. >> they sure do. we're so excited that they're here. ing the new american msnbc series, swamp, an in depth look at political disruption and corruption that is makingr ife toughefor everyd. >> the total amount of outside i money spentn2018 ,msdter billion. >> superpacs, 501(c)(4)s. >> labor unions, the most money spen in an election. florida, $90 million. >> missouri, 76 million. arizona senate, $66 million. >> but see, when i look at this, and maybe i'm idealistic, i loon think that money could be spent in better ways. >> and jacob here. great to see you guys. guys.at to see you >> katy, you were obviously out on the cam second of it. ou heard then-candidate trump say drain the swamp, what, amil count? >> probably. >> what did you find out in this? is the swamp gettingink? >> no, the swamp isn't getting drained. also, the swamp is not a partisan thing. frustration with american politics and with the government is not just democratic or republican or indepen

it's called "american swamp," and it follows two very familiar faces here, katy tur and jacob soboroffe journey as they travel throughout the u.s. capitol and all around the country. they talk about everything from political dysfunction to president trump's business ties and the way dark money impacts our elections. and look who we have here, msnbc's jacob soboroff and katy tur. >> she's back. >> she's back. >> i feel like i want to jump into that seat. >> you can have it, any time. good to see you, my friend, good to have you in the studio. you're still on maternity leave. >> i'm moonlighting, yes. >> it looks quite fascinating. what was the impetus, how was this born? >> msnbc came to us and said, we have this idea for series, donald trump campaigned successfully on, quote unquote, drain the swamp, did he really do it, and what is the swamp. and we signed on, happily, because we can get out into the field, i can get out from behind the desk and talk to people again and really investigate what is at the heart of why our government does not work for people, for regular people. >> and n

the report first published on nbcnews.com by jacob soboroff and julia ainsley details the findings of some government investigators who have been interviewing children held in arizona. julia ainsley will join us in a moment to discuss her reporting, including the sexual assault of a teenage girl. a 15-year-old girl from honduras described a large bearded officer putting his hands inside her bra, pulling down her underwear and groping her as part of what was meant to be a routine patdown in front of other immigrants and officers. the girl said she felt embarrassed as the officer was speaking in english to other officers and laughing during the entire process. according to a report of her account. a teenage boy accused officers of calling the boys puto, spanish slang for male prostitute. nbc news reports in nearly 30 accounts obtained from significant incident reports prepared between april 10th and june 12th by case managers for the department of health and human services, the department responsible for migrant children after they leave cbp custody, kids who spent time in the yuma bord

katy tur and jacob soboroff explore how big money impacts every kind of election, not just here in washingtonaw firsthand how campaign spending records why smattered with a total of $5.7 billion spent. but it's not just the jaw dropping sums that got our attention. it's where that money came from. >> i recognize. >> americans for prosperity. >> that's the koch. >> nextgen climate, tom steyer. >> planned parenthood. >> the more you look, the swampyer it gets. a murk can i mix of powerful corporations, special interest groups, and a handful of staggeringly wealthy individuals are buying our elections. and it's all perfectly legal. >> you can go through all of this and name every single person who works in that building and show how much money is spent on them by outside groups. it makes you wonder whose interests do they have in mind, the money that was spent on them, the people who spent the money, the corporations or the voters who put them into that office. >> joining me now are you my friends and colleagues and the pair behind this new series, our own katy tur and jacob soboroff. money and

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nbc's jacob soboroff joins us with that story. jacob, good morning. >> good morning to you the recent poor treatment of migrant children b customs and border protection extends beyond texas we've obtained dozens of health and human services reports of alleged mistreatment of children at a yuma, arizona, border patrol station including accounts of retaliation to protest, sexual assault and the use of what one reporter calls homophobic slurs by agents >> reporter: this morning, more reports of shocking conditions at the border. for the first time, conditions inside an arizona detention center are in the spotlight after nbc news obtained dozens of reports chronicling mistreatment of migrant children in custody the allegations include abusiv behavior by agents migrants allege overcrowding and unsanitary conditions, similar to border stations in texas, where earlier reports from the homeland security inspector general described a lack of showers, clean clothes, and spaces to sleep. conditions in border patrol facilities have long been t

roker we're joined now by two familiar faces, nbc news correspondent katy tur and jacob soboroff.re here. they're anchoring the new four-part msnbc series, american swamp, an in depth look at political dysfunction and corruption that's making life tougher for everyday americans. >> the total amount of outside money spent in the 2018 midterm, so not by any candidate at all, $1.3 billion. >> super packs. >> llcs. labor unions the most money ever spent in the midterm election, florida, $90 million. missouri, $76 million. arizona senate $66 million. >> but, see, when i look at this, and maybe i'm idealistic, i look and think that money could be spent in better ways. >>aty tur and jacob soboroff are here, great to see you guys. >> great to see you guys. >> katy, you were on the campaign trail every single second of it, you heard candidate trump say drain the swamp a million times by your latest count. >> probably. >> what did you find out in this is the swamp getting drained >> no, the swamp's not getting trained. it's not a partisan thing. frustration with american politics and with t

now someone who has been until detention facilities and familiar with their conditions, msnbc's jacob soboroff. jacob, you have been reporting this for a long time as your colleagues here on msnbc. members of congress have gone in. the government response is these are inaccurate reports, this is not the case but now we've got the inspector general's report from the department of homeland security which directly contradicts what the administration has been saying? >> not only does this inspector general report, ali, directly contradict what kevin mcaleenan has been saying, but julia ainsley not only in the rio grande, but el paso sector. we're seeing it across the border. and that flaz ticking time bomb is one that's getting everybody's attention. you are housing migrants who are coming here for humanitarian relief in jail cells. and that is something that kevin mcaleenan frankly has said. it should not come as a surprise to anyone in this administration or law enforcement or in the political branch that things are as bad as they are. this administration has made things worse by exacerbating cr

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. >> jacob soboroff in los angeles, thank you. >>> another big story we're following, prep is going on in the gulf coast for what could be a dangerous here is what we're looking at. we've got this area that could become a tropical system, invest 92-l, 90% chance of organization over the next two days. this is the development. heavy rains over the golf course, gusty winds, possibly storm surge. here is what we're looking at. the american model. you can see what we call spaghetti strands mostlyalong the coast of louisiana, into texas. wide swath from panhandle of florida into texas, lesser chances. highest chance looks to be right along the louisiana coastline. here is the other problem. if this thing tak more of a westerly tra, stays over the water, could be stronger. less time for development over the eastern track. here is the problem. we've goteally warm gulf water. water temperatures 1 to 5 above average more typical for august than july. if it stays west, that warm water strengthens the storm. no matter where it comes onshore, there's incretued mois and that makes for heavier rain.

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jacob soboroff broke this story for nbc and he's been at front of this story from the start. what you found. >> it's pretty horrific. we've heard all these reports of what was going on in texas and for the first time we've heard what happened inside an arizona border patrol station. many of the issues we heard about in texas, unsanitary conditions, extreme overcrowding, children forced to sleep outside, lack of toothbrushes, bad food, bad water, but what goes to the next level in these incident reports we have obtained, and they're completed by case managers at hhs, health and human services, when these young kids get out of border patrol custody, the stuff is really shocking. i want to talk about some of the examples that stuck out to us in the dozen ths that we found. you mentioned one, the 15-year-old girl from honduras who said she was sexually assaulted from a border patrol agent. this young woman accounted to her case manager that a bearded manager groped her breasts and genitals. it was something the border patrol agency witnessed. they were laughing and talking about

>> msnbc's katy tur and jacob soboroff joining us now. just talk to us about the idea. of the two of you teaming up and going across country. >> i'm in the show, too. i swear to god. >> she edited the clip. >> i know she did. >> insidious. what we wanted to do was figure out, you know, everybody says washington doesn't work. i don't trust lawmakers. the majority of americans don't trust that washington will do the right thing, which is wild. but we wanted to find out why. why aren't they working in americans' best interests? why does it seem like you elect an official who makes big promises and they go there and suddenly those promises evaporate and they don't do anything. >> does it have anything to do with campaign finance? >> it has a ton to do with campaign finance. >> money, money. >> you know how it is. when you're out across the country you talk to people and say what is your every day life like it is nothing like what the politicians in washington describe every day life to be. what is the reason for that chasm between the every day american life and how politic

and my colleague nbc news correspondent julia ainsley, who broke this story with our colleague jacob soboroff running out of words for horrific, but take me through what you and jacob report. >> it is horrific. what we have here are dozens of accounts of these interviews with government agents who were then to pass that along to the department of homeland security. keep in mind we're just now finding out about this but the government has known about this for some time, about these reports. a lot of this we see some of the same patterns in texas, unsanitary conditions, no place to sleep, children sleeping outside on concrete floors. but there were two incidents that really stood out. one was retaliation. a 15-year-old boy reported there was a cell of boys who protested because water and food did not taste right and when they brought that up in retaliation they had them leave their cell and took away their soft mats, the only thing separating themselves and the floor sleeping overnight. so that was a retaliation. as a result that little boy didn't bring up other issues he. for example, he neede

you see our jacob soboroff, one of the few people to get in there. the cells were totally overcrowded, busting at the seams. people were sleeping shoulder to shoulder or standing straight up because they didn't have room to move. one of the cells overcrowded with young women, i remember a guard opening up the gate and tasing in tampons to a group of weeping young girls. the situation is a humanitarian crisis, and it is one the president is making because these facilities are not getting the funding they should have. >> on thursday, nbc's julia ainsley, one of our great team of reporters including you reported children in border control custody describing these conditions, kids between the ages of 12 and 16 years old. >> i think it's important we read some of the testimony. this is of a 15-year-old girl who came to be with her mother who is already in the united states. she was deposed in june from the court documents. she was sitting in the room with all of these other people and the guard came and said who wants to take care of this little boy? he h

she and jacob soboroff are joining forces for "american swamp." it premieres sunday, july 28th. ch hour-long episode follows katy and jacob on their travels throughout the united states highlighting areas of political dysfunction and what can be done to fix the ever-rising waters of the so-called swamp. you can learn more at nbc.com/americanswamp. i know that i'll be tuning in. >>> coming up next, the justice department says it will not charge the officer who put eric garner in a chokehold. a chokehold that the medical examiner found caused his death. stay tuned. (gasp) (singsong) budget meeting! sweet. if you compare last quarter to this quarter... various: mmm. it's no wonder everything seems a little better with the creamy taste of philly, made with fresh milk and real cream. ♪ with the creamy taste of philly, corey is living with metastatic breast cancer, which is breast cancer that has spread to other parts of her body. she's also taking ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor, which is for postmenopausal women or for men with hr+/ her2- metastatic breast cancer as the first hor

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jacob soboroff and katie tur reporting on the murky underbelly of american politics.:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. it is going to be awesome. and those are two good friends of mine. >>> also, one final thing before we go tonight. it is an alert to all wine lovers out there. >> are you going to slash tariffs on french wine? >> i might, i might. french put on a tax on our companies. you know that. wrong, wrong thing to do. they should not have done it. i may do that. i've always liked american wines better than french wines. >> so if you enjoy some french wine, my friends, cheer, because you may not be able to get it anymore unless you pay a lot of money for it. so with that, did that work? have a great weekend, everybody. you can catch me on mornings at first look. "hardball" with chris matthews starts right now. >>> decision time. let's play "hardball." >> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. is there still time to impeach donald trump? if so, how much time? is september as one top democrat told me last night the time to put up or shut up? house demo

julia ainsley and jacob soboroff obtained accounts from those children as told to government case managers. a 16-year-old boy said when he and others complained about you how their water and food tasted, agents took the mats out of their cells and forced them to sleep on the floor. and a 15-year-old girl said during what was supposed to be a routine patdown, one officer put his hands in her bra and groped her. in the last hour gabe guttierez toured a brand new facility to be used for unaccompanied migrant children. and here with me now, julia ainsley and joining us from texas gabe guttierez. thanks to you both for being here. julia, i have to start with you and this new reporting. it is tough to read. it is tough to talk about. what is the latest that you found? >> it is tough. but it is important not to get numb to it. first i'll tell you how it is different. there are reports in he will pats so he awill -- el paso and rio ground about the bad conditions. cbp blamed a lot on overcrowding. what we've learned about what happened in yuma goes beyond overcrowding with that sexual assault alle

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. >>> we want to reporting now from nbc news, two weeks ago nbc's julia ainsley and jacob soboroff broket the conditions at a u.s. border patrol station in yuma, arizona. they obtained more than two dozen significant incident reports written by government case workers based on what children had described to them being held there. the report included an allegation of sexual assault and retaliation against kids who asked for clean water and food. and julia sat down with a guatemalan boy who was held there for 11 days. 17-year-old abner describes in detail what he went through, including being held in a cell that was so crowded he was forced to sleep standing up. not knowing what time of the day it was because the lights were always on. and not being able to properly drink water. drink water. >> and julia joins us now with more on her new reporting on those conditions inside the yuma station. julia, incredible that this continues. >> it was. it was incredible that abner took the time and had the courage to sit down with us. it's so rare, mika, to get immigrants to talk to us. especially bec

we have jacob soboroff k andr simmons joining us. >> good to see you. >> we have the memo about the suit he had a 3:00 flight out of newark. heas delayed almost eight hours. >> goodness. >> he didn't take off until 11:30. >> is that his video? >> that's his. >> that's brutal. >> all the airports

our good buddy jacob soboroff. >> my vacation started by running into al at the airport. >> in la, hechild running around the airport. >> did you recognize each other right away? sometimes when you see someone out of context, it throws you off. >> al thought i was a crazy fan, asking for an autograph. >> sir, please. >> security, security. >> i knew exactly

we have jacob soboroff and keir simmons joining us.was going on assignment. he left. he had a 3:00 flight out of newark. he was delayed almost eight hours. >> goodness. >> he didn't take off until 11:30. >> is that his v

reporters on the story were julia ainsley and jacob so soboroff. based on what they had been told by kids held by the trump administration at the border station in yuma. those incident reports included an allegation of sexual assault against a feign-year-old girl bia uniformed officer as retaliation with kid who is requested clean water and food. they had their bedding taken away as retaliation. we had recounts from lawyers at the facilities like that one. children held at the facilities rarely spoke to the media out of fear they might be targeted or retaliated against. tonight a guatemalan boy was held in the facility for 11 days. kids are not supposed to be held for more than 72 hours. he was held for 11 days. his name is abner and he agreed to describe what he went through at the border facility. we obscured his face to help him protect his identity. abner describes a cell that was so proud crowded he was forced to sleep standing up. this is the first time this has been broadcast. >>. >> they stayed propped against the wall and stay the whole ni

. >> julia who has the oversight here besides the media and jacob soboroff reporting on this relentlessly are being taken care of properly? >> that's a good question. there are a number of bodies. we have the oversight committee from congress. of course, they have to have their hands on these documents before they can go forward and know that the allegations exist. dhs has an inspector general. an office of responsibility. customs has their own investigative body. sometimes, we see the bucket get pushed around, from one thing to another. not everybody actually has the ability to prosecute. a lot of this stays as an internal report. the same thing happened when the inspector general was sending boater patrol agents across texas and they were alerting that there were problems but we couldn't see swift action taken. because it all seemed to sort of stay within dhs. and it took a lot of time before it came to the public eye and congress started asking questions, too. >> julia ainsley, thank you for your ongoing reporting on this. >>> coming up, he was one of the most colorful candidates to ev

>> in a lot of ways what he described is exactly what we heard in 30 reports that jacob sober o soboroffo weeks ago, about the overcrowding, not being able to sit down, not being given a shower. but he got into extreme hunger. he said he was only fed at 10:00 p.m. and 5:00 p.m. and sometimes i'd have to give his food to a younger child because as an older boy cowithstand the hunger. he talked about being thirsty and not being given a cup. he had to use his hands to drink out of a sink in his cell. what he said to sleep wing was very interesting. listen to what he said about his sleeping conditions. [ speaking foreign language ] >> so you see that what he's saying about the children, the younger children had to be protected. again, one of the reasons he would have given them their food and allowed them to lie down, because they said when the younger children cried, the guards would get angry and yell at them. now, we have reached out to dhs, department of homeland security and customs and border protection, about this and here's what they had to say here. they said that the claims are inc

jacob calling from msnbc. sure. soboroff. it's a pass? hey, max, calling from nbc. will he be willing to talk with us about that? okay. thanks, bye. what do you know? it's not that easy to get a member of the senate on the phone. >> as jacob tries to get at least one senator to meet with us, i want to dig deeper into a type of political funding where the original donors are almost impossible to trace. it's known as dark money. and there is one group whose name has become synonymous with that term. americans for prosperity. americans for prosperity is registered with the irs as a nonprofit social welfare organization. but it's actually the nerve center of the most influential fund-raising network in the country. jane literally wrote the book on dark money and the controversy surrounding these groups. >> americans for prosperity spent something like $60 million just on its own in dark money. they have built up this network of nonprofit groups that don't look overly political that push their political point of view. >> their mission, to advance the conservative lib rat