and we are rebuilding from scratch. >> and jacob soboroff joins me now. ad the whole transcript and, you know, you just -- obviously you're so -- you know this issue so well. what i found intriguing about his answers to your many questions, one was that nobody wanted to talk about sort of the root problem. i thought it was interesting he said, yeah, there's a backlog of people that it's gotten even more violent and more impoferrished, so it's more desperate than ever. and no discussion on the long-term issue. he talked about how his hands were tied, the deportations in haiti and the other with the cdc advisory here. it looks to me, it's going to take a while for big changes to happen. is that your takeaway? >> i think that's certainly, chuck, what they want the american public to know and understand. there are some very concrete things they can do and i did think, you know, hearing from him they were going to say they were building capacity, the translation for everybody watching is there will be, in all likelihood, more tent facilities, cbp, or influx fac

there is no word if fort lee will be used >> jacob soboroff, thank you. >>> the roof of a middle school partial collapsing 13 people had various injuries related to dehydration and stress and headaches >>> pope francis is on a visit to iraq. our richard engel is there tonight. >> reporter: on the first people visit to the cradle of civilization pope francis was given a warm welcome. honored guard at the presidential palace. above all it was his message that's so well received in a nation where hundreds of thousands have died >> iraq today called to show everyone in the middle east of diversity instead of leaving rise to conflict i asked the president of iraq if this country is ready? do you think this can be a start of a healing process >> it has been a tough time and for the pope to come this time despite many calls for him to postpone the visit he has come to help us go to a better day the visit is encouraging for iraq's dwindling christian community persecuted by groups like isis and al-qaida >> reporter: spreading hate he says is in compatible with true says is incompatible with tru

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in an exclusive interview with our own jacob soboroff. >> one of the greatest threats we face in the homeland is the rise of domestic violent extremism. we want to be sure we're disseminating intelligence information to our partners, and to the communities, so that we can equip the communities to guard against this growing threat. we are watching the threat stream, the information, social media, other sources with respect to this particular day, march 4th, but quite frankly we are vigilant every day, as we must be when the threat is as acute as it is in the domestic violence extremism context. >> we should point out that the acute threat secretary my mayorkas describes, were emboldened by the january 6th attack and now poses a greater security threat. the same insurrection fueled by donald trump's big lie about the election result that killed five americans and put the lives of lawmakers and their staffs in danger continues to inspire and motte raid would-be domestic terrorists right now. which makes it all the more significant that some of the republicans whose rhetoric helped to in

with me now, nbc news correspondent jacob soboroff who was recently at the border in mexico, also themerican tragedy," now a finalist for the "l.a. times" book prize. jacob, what does this direction to fema to assist at the border say to you? >> that there is a massive overcrowding situation at the southern border. the department of homeland security cannot get a record number of migrant children out of its border jails. whether they're cages, which is what i saw during the separation crisis, that facility is now closed for renovation, or plexiglass dividers which sources say they're using now in certain facilities along the border, it is not a place for children to be. this is a mission that dhs that they can't get them out fast enough, that hhs cannot take those children in with childcare professionals fast enough. so now they're calling in fema, the officials who deal with natural disasters and covid relief, you name it. now they'll be involved in the sheltering and caring for migrant children at the border. >> jacob, talk about the factors that go into why we're seeing this right

. >> jacob soboroff is at the border. we know the high number of questions that dealt with the focus of your professional life this long time now. what specifically did you hear that you were waiting for? >> reporter: brian, the president framed this as a humanitarian issue, and that is exactly what it is. i'm just looking down at my notes. he ended the press conference by saying, the idea we have tens of thousands of kids in these god-awful facilities, this is one of those facilities, the yuma border patrol station. this complex here is one of many that are overcrowded, to 489% capacity as i'm talking to you, as of this morning contained in data obtained by nbc news. the question is what is he going to do about it in the short term? he talked about bringing thousands of beds to the place where people are able to give care to those children where the men and women behind me would say they're not trained to do and they're not prepared to do. there were a couple highlights. number one, i have to thank kristen welker for ask

jacob soboroff, gabe gutierrez, gentlemen, thank you very much. >>> anthony fauci got into it today withenator rand paul over the continued interrogation about wearing a mask. >> you're wearing two masks. isn't that theater? >> here we go again with theater. let's get down to the facts. >>> it may not have been full front page news but violence against asian americans are spiking across the country. we're going to show you what has been happening and try to understand how to stop it. understand how to stop it. with certain inflammatory conditions. because there are options. like an “unjection™”. xeljanz. the first and only pill of its kind that treats moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, psoriatic arthritis, or moderate to severe ulcerative colitis when other medicines have not helped enough. xeljanz can lower your ability to fight infections. before and during treatment, your doctor should check for infections, like tb and do blood tests. tell your doctor if you've had hepatitis b or c, have flu-like symptoms, or are prone to infections. serious, sometimes fatal infections, cancers

we are joined by jacob soboroff. he has been following the story for a number of years. nnon pettypiece with me. jacob, let me start with you. you have thousands of unaccompanied minors and families with young children being held at the border. secretary mayorkas talked about how his team is ending the practice of sending those minors back to their country. what challenges does that present? >> reporter: capacity. that's the number one challenge faced by the biden administration as they try to transition to a more fair, safe and humane immigration system. in the words of secretary mayorkas himself, he think get the children out of the border patrol stations, effectively border jails, within 72 hours, legally. they have had a hard time doing that. the capacity isn't there at the office of refugee resettlement where child welfare professionals can care for the children with expertise. the child welfare professionals can't. that's the crux of this. they have stopped sending kids back to mexico and back to their home countries, the danger from which they fled. it presented a

jacob soboroff, thank you very much. >>> joining me now deputy director of the immigrants rights project at the aclu. what are you seeing and hearing from children and their families and also, is this the right move to bring fema in which arguably is more experienced at sheltering people, families, children than arresting them as the border security people are? >> yeah. so i think it is the right move to start using fema, at least as a temporary solution. there is a humanitarian crisis, as jacob said and it is not a crisis of resources. the federal government has enough resources to deal with these children. you know, as a starting point, we can't go back to the trump administration's policy of sending children back, young children back to danger. it's illegal. it's inhumane, and i think it would leave yet another historic stain on this country, so the question is a practical one. how do we create shelters quickly? the trump administration dismantled everything and the biden administration is working quickly and these children don't need long-term shelter. they have relatives and parents

also jacob soboroff. talk to us about the delegation in terms of what the white house is hoping to achieve with this, what is the delegation hoping to learn about this facility? >> reporter: members of congress have been pushing to get more access and white house officials joining them on this. having a reporter along and a tv camera, though, is addressing this big criticism from not only reporters be, but other democrats on the hill as well, about a lack of transparency into what the conditions are like in this facility. so, the most clear, tangible thing the administration is probably going to get out of today is on a public relations front, by being able to show this is not something they're keeping secret, behind the curtain. they are revealing some elements of the detention process here. we will see how much they actually show us and how much flexibility they give to our colleague you mentioned, who is inside there, but answering weeks of questions about when will the media get some access and visibi

. >> jacob soboroff standing by to take us to the other topic of the day, and that is the southern border. jacob, last night we had julia ainsley on the broadcast. she reported, we obviously have seen the video that was allowed by the government yesterday to our crew on the condition we share it with other networks, but we heard the first kind of transparency with numbers. numbers of young people in u.s. hands. it sounds like we're getting there, like it's been a long, long process. >> the goal, brian, you know as you said is to reduce capacity, to reduce overcrowding and those numbers are fluctuating. at times getting better but then verting back to a crisis capacity. when i think crisis, it's not a national security crisis, it's a humanitarian crisis of too many children held in border patrol stations, whether it's in the rio grande valley or that donna, texas facility, over 1,000% capacity. or this sector here in uma, where it's the second-most-crowded border, over 49% capacity available bed space in these border patrol stations where alejandro mayorkas, the secretary of homeland secur

jacob soboroff there at the border in arizona, getting a first-hand look at a topic that according to peter the president is going to be facing a lot of questions about here when this news conference starts. white house sent a group of senior officials and lawmakers to the border in texas, jacob, as you know. nbc accompanies them inside the facility. how is this administration faring in its vow of a more humane approach so far in your estimation? >> well, it's a long way from rhetoric, i think, to reality, craig, and we see that not just in south texas where by far the facilities are most overcrowded, but across the southwest border. here in the yuma sector of the border patrol, as of this morning, according to data obtained by nbc news they're at 489% capacity. that is a humanitarian crisis inside facilities like the ones at this border patrol complex. these are jails, they're not meant for children. the conditions we have seen many times over the years, whether it's in the obama administration, the trump administration, and now the biden administration. and the idea is to get childr

> jacob, detention facility is not where a family belongs. >> with me now msnbc correspondent jacob soboroffnside an american tragedy. jacob i watched in interview top to bottom, so much to get to i hope everyone watches it in its entirety. we have seen how controversial family detention centers have been. our colleague nbc julie ainsley reporting as of friday only 13 families remained in ice identifies detention. seven scheduled release that day. remaining six to be released tomorrow. what is the impact of this? >> well, if indeed the administration follows through alicia, i thi idention as a det. the trump administration used family detention beyond the 20-day set in the florida legal conextend degree in but this was put in place by the obama administration. it's a longstanding process. and this would be a wholesale new approach. >> talk to me about the. and skepticism baked into that answer. >> you know, both under democrat and republican nrpgss we have seen families held in what activists call baby jails. put in place by the obama administration. built during the obama administration. an

joining me now to sort through all of this, nbc news correspondent on the story from day one, jacob soboroffhor of "separated: inside an american tragedy." and "washington post" senior washington correspondent phillip rucker, co-author of "a very stable genius," now out in paperback and updated. jacob, first to you. homeland security secretary mayorkas told you recently they need more space for migrant children. what's behind the spike? what's being done about it? how are they trying to deal with it? >> i think, andrea, with the children it's very specifically a reversal of a trump administration policy. all migrants were kept out of the country under the cover of this title 42 public health law that was, you know, nominally, supposedly supposed to prevent the spread of coronavirus in the united states. now, public health officials and experts have called that a faulty, not fact-based justification. but nevertheless, the biden administration has kept it in place for adults and families. but they have reversed it for children. and in so doing children who have been waiting on the other side o

jacob soboroff has been on the story from the beginning.is is beyond, a 180 from what the last administration did. but realistically how is it going to work? >> they're going to have to go down to central america and track down the families, there are non-governmental organizations on the ground doing this, justice in motion in particular is going door to door in central america. when you say it's a 180 it could not be more of a policy reversal from the trump administration. when donald trump was president of the united states stephen miller, his top immigration architect, the architect of the family separation policy, the torture policy in the words of positions for human rights not only blocked reunifications in certain aspects but also blocked mental health care services in order to help families recover from the trauma they suffered and now secretary alejandra mayorkas has gotten a reversal. they're tracking down every one of these families to come back to the united states to be with their children. >> the director of the aclu talked a

jacob soboroff is still with us as well. gabe, what can you tell us?e just came out of this hhs facilities in carrizo springs, texas. it's important to know it's an hhs facility. the video and images we have seen in the overcrowding of the border and protection facilities, that's where migrant children first go. they're supposed to go from there to these facilities within 72 hours. we know from our reporting it's taking much longer. i want to tell you what i saw inside. i went with this delegation. we were not allowed to speak to the children, but i saw plenty of migrant children here in the facility. they waved to us. we saw them playing soccer. it's a hot day here in texas, about 80 degrees, yet we saw plenty of them outside, some of them wearing knit hats that the officials here in the compound tell me, they actually any of themselves. it was quite interesting to see. a facility of 13 to 17-year-old children all males. in this facility there are 766 migrant children right now. there's a capacity of 952 in this facility. the highest they have reached

jacob soboroff has the latest >> reporter: tonight a growing problem at the border two administration officials tell nbc news over 3,200 unaccompanied migrant children are being detained in border patrol facilities not designed for kids. nearly half are being held over the 72 hours allowed by law that number exploding from nearly zero last month. homeland security secretary mayorkas recently told us they need more space after president biden reversed trump policy that had kept unaccompanied children out because of covid >> we are building the capacity that we need to in order to address the needs of the children >> reporter: because of crowding children are not being transferred out of border patrol facilities to shelters fast enough. today the republican governor of texas blasting president biden. >> this crisis is a result of president biden's open border policies it invites illegal immigration. >> reporter: meanwhile, as we saw last week in tijuana, most migrants who were kept out under former president trump are still blocked by president biden. >> they keep saying don't come, don

. >> check out jacob soboroff of msnbc during a live shot. >> oh, hey.ig, it happens sometimes at a breezy border location. i want to say what i think was the most important thing you heard there was that -- >> live television, got to love it. after the incident started to get some attention online, soboroff tweeted, all in a day's work. >>> a snake catcher in australia is getting some attention for this breakfast. >> yeah, he was pouring some cereal, and his pet snake russell falls out of the box and into the bowl. >> it seems like he set the whole thing up given how he jokingly said, russell, not again. we'll check the top headlines next. russell, not agai hey there, i'm jake, and a little thing i love about chick-fil-a's new grilled spicy deluxe is that grilled chicken that we all know and love, with the grill marks, it's super juicy. the heat, the cheese, the multi-grain brioche bun, the flavor is just out of this world. hey, i'm amber, and a little thing i love about the chick-fil-a grilled spicy deluxe is the chicken. this is not your traditional s

weijia jiang, senior white house correspondent for cbs news, and jacob soboroff, correspondent for nbc news and msnbc and the author of the "new york times'" best seller "separated: inside an american tragedy." laur i want to start with you. what is the latest after president joe biden's visit today and where are we now? laura: yeah. so what was really key in his speech today, rachel, wars the way he intersected all of those themes. he talked about systemic racism. he talked about the rise in hate crimes. he talked about also the impact of the relief bill that he just passed. and he tied a lot of it to georgia, the state that he was in. and to the fact that georgia in its runoff elected two democratic senators and that those two democratic senators are going to be key not only in the relief bill that just passed and the fact that checks are now going to the american public but also in passing the st of his agenda. so he called on congress to pass that covid anti-hate crime bill. but again, when it comes to the senate, that's going to be the big question where those two georgia senators

let's bring in jacob soboroff, live on the southern border for us.ve focused on this every day but can you widen the lens a little bit for us and just explain how this changed between the two administrations. >> reporter: well, remember, nicole, virtually no one at the tail end of the trump administration was allowed from that side of the mexican border with the united states to this side under the cover of protecting u.s. citizens from coronavirus. a trump public health regulation that public health experts said was bunk, wasn't based in public health at all but was based in xenophobia and racism. the biden administration, as jen psaki said in the clip that you played, started to allow children, although not everyone, not adults and not families, to come across the border. they left that law in place but they start to allow children to come across. there are thousands of children. there were thousands of children. there were literally being turned around and expelled if they made it from that side to this side immediately back to dangerous cities in

let's bring in nbc's jacob soboroff. ead to everyone beto o'rourke's tweet on this. addressed to senator ted cruz. you're in a border patrol boat armed with machine guns. the only threat you face is unarmed children and families who are seeking asylum as well as the occasional heckler. if you're looking for a crisis to cos play senator for, i'm happy to point you in the right direction. jacob, this is truly a tale of two parties as it concerns the border. who has the better strategy? >> reporter: well, the democrats aring looing at what's actually going on. i mean, i think it's fair to say. and republicans, what they're doing is preposterous if you ask me. i have stood -- it's not dangerous, by the way. i've stood on that dock. i've talked to those texas department of public safety agents. i have seen those boats and stood within feet, inches of them, myself. they're not meant for patrolling the river to look for unaccompanied migrant children seeking asylum. they're meant to interdict drug smugglers, and the idea that th

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. >> reporter: with me is jacob soboroff.view top to bottom, so much to get to. i hope that everyone watches it in its entirety. we've seen how controversial family detention centers have been. julia ainsley reported that as of friday only 13 families remained in i.c.e. detention, seven had been scheduled for released that day, the remaining six families scheduled to be released tomorrow. what is the impact of this? . >> if the administration follows through, it would be the end of family detention as a deterrent. this was put into place by the obama administration. it is a longstanding practice of trying to scare families away from coming to this country and this would be a wholesale, new approach. >> talk to me about the if and skepticism that was baked into that answer. >> well, i think that both under democratic and republican administrations we have seen families held in what activists and advocates called baby jails. they were put into place by the obama administration and built by the obama administration and the scope

as our friend and colleague jacob soboroff has accounted through his reports what's going on there at the locations of the border that he's covered, there are legitimate questions and concerns about how quickly the turnover and the turnaround is going to take place. so what's the timeline? what the president has done, and i think he's done it pretty effectively is tried to claw back in front of the narrative on this. that is not an easy thing to do. he started out this conversation behind, and this leads to the fact that you're holding this -- your first major press conference 65 days into your term, these are types -- these types of things are going to accumulate. now, if this -- if you're out in front on this narrative four weans ago, you're in a very different conversation point than you are four weeks later. i think that's what we're seeing some of that playing out right now, particularly in this press conference on this issue of immigration. >> all right. i'm back to d-plus. you've got a point. >> i was going to ask you, james, if you had a grade for michael's response disagrees

. >> and our colleagues julie ainsley, jacob soboroff just said a moment ago how the biden transition was asked numerous times by the trump administration to increase influx capacity at the border in anticipation of this surge, and they sat on their hands, according to biden transition officials. this is from julia, jacob and laura. when we're talking about that sort of infrastructure in place, obviously, again, shannon, they inherited something. the transition can ask for things to be put in place in anticipation of them getting in charge, but they can't force the trump administration to do anything. >> right. you know, and i will go back to even the transition. obviously you have the department of homeland security and cbp which is focused on this full-time all the time. but when i've spoken over the past two months to senior administration officials, to folks at the white house, the focus up until maybe a week or two ago was not just on immigration, and they would say that the focus inside the white house is really on covid when it comes to getting covid stimulus relief through con

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. >> reporters, like my colleague, jacob soboroff have been to the border and reported this out. but under the biden administration, migrant children are being allowed through. the why, why are they coming, is much more complicated. much more come to reunite with family members. this video taken friday shows dozens of migrants after they cross the rio grande river on rafts waiting for asylum in texas. there is an increase at the border. around 3500 migrants per day. this past friday, 5500. 200 were expelled. the rest allowed to stay in the u.s. to await their court dates. of the 2800 single adults encountered friday, nearly 2200 were denied entry. there is, of course, lots of finger pointing around the increase. >> this crisis is created by the presidential policies of this new administration. there's no other way to claim it than a biden border crisis. >> texas is willing to step up and help out. but this is the biden administration's responsibility. >> i'm very concerned at the administration's rhetoric and policies. they're encouraging more to attempt this dangerous journey. >

. >> reporters, like my colleague, jacob soboroff, have been to the border and reported this out. but under the biden administration, migrant children are being allowed through. the why, why are they coming, is much more complicated. most reports show migrants fleeing poverty, violence, natural disasters in their home countries. some come to reunite with family members. this video shows dozens of migrants after they crossed the rio grand river on rafts waiting to apply for asylum in texas. to be clear, there is an increase in migrants at the border. last month they encountered 3500 migrants per day. this past friday 5500 were encountered at the southern border according to internal data from customs and border patrol obtained by nbc news. 2,000 were families. around 200 were expelled. the rest allowed to stay in the u.s. to await their court dates. of the 2800 single adults encountered friday, nearly 2200 were denied entry. there is, of course, lots of finger pointing around the increase. >> this crisis is created by the presidential policies of this new administration. there's no

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actually a hint at something they're working on, in the interview that secretary mayorkas gave to jacob soboroffked about getting people in those border patrol processing facilities to immediately get those children to relatives and sponsors who can take care of them. they could by pass a large part of this system and having to go through that period with health and human services and go directly in to caring homes. and that would allow the administration to really get around this capacity issue. >> julia, thank you so much, an important story. we're going to stay on it. >>> coming up next, how about this quote? ill equipped to deal with threats. more about what a new report says about capitol police and what needs to happen to keep our most important government buildings safe. if you have risk factors like heart disease, diabetes and raised triglycerides,... ...vascepa can give you something to celebrate. ♪ vascepa, when added to your statin,... ...is clinically proven to provide 25% lower risk from heart attack and stroke. vascepa is clearly different. first and only fda approved. celebrate le

. >> reporters, like my colleague, jacob soboroff, have been to the border and reported this out.

mexico border, nbc news correspondent jacob soboroff.tration has promised a more fair and humane immigration system, rolling back policies the trump administration had implemented over the last four years that you documented and reported on so well. is what we're seeing a result of those rollbacks or something else happening here? >> reporter: specific when i regard to the children, absolutely. press secretary jen psaki is absolutely right that the children that are in these border patrol stations right now, in crowded health and human services shelters, are there in such large numbers because under president trump, they were not even allowed into the country at the end of his presidency. they were kept on the other side of that border right there under title 42. it was a public health regulation that is still in place to this day, i might add, for everybody but children who are remaining on the other side of the children to ostensibly stop the spread of covid. public health experts that that was a ridiculous thing. the biden administrat

biden administration has been crystal clear about this in english and in spanish, my colleague jacob soboroffls us this depiction flies in the face of his own reporting. all of that finger pointing is a distraction. where should lawmakers' focus be instead? >> they're focusing on passing two bills in the house this week, like the dream act and the farm work modernization act. but what we should be doing is helping the biden administration find the facilities for them to safely house children and quickly reunite nemwith their families while rebuilding an asylum system by beginning processing at ports of entry so that people can safely enter the united states. house of republicans are heading to el paso this week to make a political stunt out of this x i have talked to my friends who are actually doing the work of welcoming migrants entering from the program in el paso, and they were offered an opportunity to meet with those individuals, and those organizations have not heard from house republicans. i really think all of this is just a political stunt around the creation of a narrative to distr

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>> well, we got a clue last week, kristen, when jacob soboroff interviewed the dhs secretary, alejandrand he said one of their plans is to go ahead and send personnel from health and human services to these overcrowded border processing facilities to see if they can more quickly match the children, as soon as they come across the border, with sponsors, with relatives, who can take them into their homes in the united states while they go through the immigration court process, rather than keeping them in these overcrowded border facilities or sending them to health and human services, at all. and again, those overcrowded border facilities weren't built with children in mind. they were built when our immigration system was mainly dealing with single-adult males from mexico, not unaccompanied children coming all the way from central america. >> and you obviously have senior dhs officials who are visiting the border, julia. they've been briefing the white house about all of this. and i guess the question becomes, will the white house change its approach to this issue at the border and its me

jacob soboroff, thank you as well for your reporting. we appreciate it.the hill and the inability to strike compromise. 2013, there were some attempts to put together a bipartisan coalition to pass immigration reform, sweeping immigration reform. there was that moment during the trump administration when -- where democrats and republicans were around the table in the white house and donald trump turned to dianne feinstein and said, y'all get a plan together, i will sign it for comprehensive immigration reform. nothing ever happened there. is there just no hope that republicans and democrats alike can cobble together a plan to have a sane immigration policy? >> joe, honestly, i think this is one issue where things are the most discouraging. it is an issue that divides people incredibly deeply and as long as things are going on along the border the way they are and that becomes the dominant image that republicans, for example, are using in campaign-related materials and things like that, it's just not going to be something that we're going to be able to suc

my colleague jacob soboroff, is laser-focused on this issue. >>> i want to make a hard turn and talksome treva noah but not everyone is the in the spirit. chart-topping artist the weeknd announced he's boycotting the grammys from now until forever because of the secret committee. forever, ever ever? errin, what do you think, is this a good move or will we see what happens when keeping it real goes wrong? >> i mean, look, i don't know, if anybody is interested, i won't be at the grammys this year either. i've checked out of the grammys for quite a while myself. you say trying to get me out of the newsroom and into the group chat here, but -- >> but i will say the weeknd taking this stand, he already had his kind of star turn this year musically with his super bowl performance, and what you are increasingly seeing black entertainers, black musicians saying to these institutions that, you know, we're not the help. you will not continue to just abuse us for our talent but exclude us in diversity. we saw this with the golden globes, with highlighting the lack of african-american writers t

nbc's jacob soboroff and yamiche alcindor. thank you so much for spending some time with us.is sticking around. up next, as of today new yorkers appear based on the polls ready to let governor andrew cuomo finish out his third term. at least, as we said, based on the latest polling. we'll show it to you next. ng we'll show it to you next. if you have postmenopausal osteoporosis and a high risk for fracture, now might not be the best time to ask yourself, 'are my bones strong?' life is full of make or break moments. that's why it's so important to help reduce your risk of fracture with prolia®. only prolia® is proven to help strengthen and protect bones from fracture with 1 shot every 6 months. do not take prolia® if you have low blood calcium, are pregnant, are allergic to it, or take xgeva®. serious allergic reactions like low blood pressure, trouble breathing, throat tightness, face, lip or tongue swelling, rash, itching or hives have happened. tell your doctor about dental problems, as severe jaw bone problems may happen. or new or unusual pain in your hip, groin, or thigh