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so they sought the help of the office director of national intelligence, james clapper's organization. they talked about urgency. they talked about deadlines. and, if it were a regular process, the inauguration would make no difference to sharing information with the hill. but, obviously, they were desperate to undermine president trump. and you see these obama appointees, many of whom were clinton donors, because we've looked up their donationte history, shoveling this information out in the days before the inauguration. they were literally talking about the day before the inauguration, them pushing the material out. previous documents received, sean, they talk about, they get excited and say, we made the deadline. what was the deadline? the inauguration. how could you interpret this activity as anything other than a design to undermine president trump by putting information that otherwise may not be available under the law to democratic senators on the hill.afternoon, and, as you pot ought, the the never trumper, bob corker. >> sean: susan rice oval office, basically, at the same ti

let's bring in james clapper, the former director of national intelligence.much. i've got to get your reaction to jim sciutto's reporting that the united states extracting a highly placed covert source from inside the russian government, in part because of concerns the president could have exposed the asset. that's really shocking. >> well, jim, first as an intel guy, i can't sit here with you and confirm or deny anything that jim just said. and the problem here, of course, is not just one person but apparently a group of people felt strongly enough about their concerns about president trump's keeping secrets that they thought that the public needed to know about it. now, this is another classic example of one man's leaker is another man's whistle-blower. >> mm-hmm. >> and so for whatever reason, the people involved here felt compelled to make this public. and this is in no way a criticism of jim and his reporting. we've discussed this, and, you know, as a journalist, he's done exactly what he should do. but as an intelligence guy, i spent a lot of time in th

not only james clapper who you rightly said is now hired by c.n.n. also also will. keep all sort you know talking about previous experiences jeffrey goldberg who was very important in spreading of the law that led to the iraq war about weapons of mass destruction he is now read 3 knobs on the most for important issue remember there are plenty so these people there is complete impunity these people who lie who basically perjured themselves like james perjured himself before the congress they gave him a position in the debate that goes back to my introduction this is 2 tiered justice system here because you know we we we have someone like jim comey for now off the hook but the new. papadopoulos in union you have. mr stone roger stone i mean it seems to be i mean. what would be equitable when this is all said and done if there's any kind of ending as it gives trump should give immunity to all these people give a pardon to everyone and get this behind us. i think a triumph or. 2 and it goes into the election because it's so many. weaknesses there wish they wish the demo

former director of national intelligence james clapper with us later in the hour.ng us is jeffrey toobin, dana bash and cnn chief political analyst david gergen, certainly worked in his storied career with presidents facing this kind of pressure. david, how significant a day was this? >> i think it's a good day for the democrats. it's unusual in an investigation like this that so quickly you can have the transcript yesterday and today. the document is much longer but amplifies and strengthens the credibility of the first day. >> it's also rare in an investigation to quickly to have the person who is at the center of it also speak publicly about it in a way that confirms things which are -- >> how much on defense that he feels. >> right. >> and if they put him out every day, if he becomes his main defender, he is going to have some more problems because he blew so hot that it diminishes his case. it doesn't strengthen his case. but go back to the whistle-blower report itself. it not only is highly professional, stunningly familiar with ukraine nan politics and perso

documents have surfaced revealing former or national intelligence james clapper's attempt to save andrew mccabe's job at the fbi was, well wasr almost boundless. a letter from clapper to the i tracked are ready in february of last year heaping praise on mccabe calling the fired fbi deputy director and former acting director of the fbi amana quote self-effacing m humility d impeccable integrity, two words that don't spring immediately to my mind when talking about the leadership of the fbi, the former leadership at the justice department is reportedly seeking mccabe's text messages attempting to learn more about thee other day investigation to president trump's campaign as well as the f. s. handling of hillary clinton's use of the private server. supreme court justice neil rosset with a -- neil gorsuch blaming the president and congress for overstepping their bounds and violating the separation of powers played out in the constitution. gorsuch be reminded perhaps that they are something of a constitutional crisis when one party was trying to sabotage a presidential candidate of the other

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let's bring in james clapper, the former director of national intelligence.ector, thank you so much. really appreciate you joining us tonight. "the new york times" is reporting that the whistle-blower identified multiple white house officials as corroborating witnesses, and it goes further. the intelligence inspector general interviewed witnesses. what does that tell you about the credibility of this complaint? >> well, from -- i saw an earlier interview. i think it was wolf blitzer conducted with congressman eric swalwell, and his inferential description of the whistle-blower's complaint tells me i think this, when it eventually comes out, is going to be even more devastating than the transcript or summary of the one phone call between the president and his ukrainian counterpart. and it sounds to me like this was written by a very good intelligence officer, who is a good writer, and who has documented both documentary references as well as other people who are implicated or who are corroborating witnesses. so this thing can spread. so i think this is actuall

james clapper, it is a blessing to have you tonight. >> thanks, chris. >> help us. idea that it's not that simple, jim, you know if it doesn't deal with the intelligence agencies and what's happening there, congress really has no say in reviewing a whistleblower complaint. >> well, first of all, i don't agree with that. the way i interpret the law during the six and a half years i served as dni was that if a whistleblower submitted a complaint, i interpreted that if it was within observation range, i'll call it that, of that person, that intelligence community employee. and i never considered whether is the wrongdoing limited to just the what is defined legally as the intelligence community. i never split those hairs. moreover, i never thought i actually had the option to refuse to ford a valid, credible whistleblower complaint. and i also don't recall one being submitted that was characterized by my i.g., my inspector general as urgent. so i'm very sympathetic to joe maguire, the acting dni. i think he's got caught up in the politics of this. and it's true that the

whether to break the law or honor his responsibility to the constitution. >> we're joined now by james clapperector of national intelligence. also a cnn national security analyst and author of "facts and fears: hard truths from a life in intelligence." mr. clapper is also a frequent target of the president's ire and acaccusations. thanks for being with us. when you were dni, did you ever not forward a whistle-blower complaint? >> no, anderson, i did not. in fact, i never knew i even had the option not to forward a whistle-blower complaint. typically the way it worked was my inspector general, chuck mccullough who served during my tenure, would notify me by email since i was physically located away from my headquarters, if he had received a whistle-blower complaint, a general description of it, and he would typically ask me whether i had any comment. >> which is what the statute says. it says essentially -- >> exactly. >> -- that you can comment on it, but you're supposed to forward it to congress. >> exactly. as i say, i'm not aware of that option not to forward it. then i never did comment, b

james clapper has committed perjury.go after him. >> katie: melissa, just as a final thought here, character witnesses are brought in to try and lessen the sentencing by a judge if he is indicted and found guilty of lying under oath. that's what he's accused of. they are not being brought in to debate whether he actually committed a crime. >> melissa: you know, but it is so upsetting when you look back -- we look at the wall of characters and talk about all these things that other people did. but that is supposed to be the last vestige of the institution we can really trust, to keep everyone safe, to protect americans' rights. they are supposed be the least political of the mall. that makes this even more difficult. >> katie: all eyes on the hill as we wait for former trump campaign manager corey lewandowski to testify. what to expect as he goes before the democrats' impeachment crew. ♪ america is experiencing a strong economy that is certain. but history tells us that economies don't live in a vacuum. we need to prepare

let's bring in james clapper, the former director of national intelligence.irector, thank you so much. really appreciate you joining us tonight. "the new york times" is reporting that the whistle-blower identified multiple white house officials as corroborating witnesses, and it goes further. the intelligence inspector general interviewed witnesses. what does that tell you about the credibility of this complaint? >> well, from -- i saw an earlier interview. i think it was wolf blitzer conducted with congressman eric swalwell, and his inferential description of the whistle-blower's complaint tells me i think this, when it eventually comes out, is going to be even more devastating than the transcript or summary of the one phone call between the president and his ukrainian counterpart. and it sounds to me like this was written by a very good intelligence officer, who is a good writer, and who has documented both documentary references as well as other people who are implicated or who are corroborating witnesses. so this thing can spread. so i think this is actua

james clapper and james comey.lights an email exchange among senior fbi leadership from andrew mccabe. indicating that cnn would soon go forward with a sense of his story, that seems to be a reference to the dossier. the inspector general's report indicated how the fbi director and his top deputies went to great lengths to confront trump on the information contained in the dossier and share the president-elect's reactions with the investigators. senator graham pushed the attorney general top declassify the information. >> i want as much out as possible. i think the attorney general shares that view. we want transparency. the goal is to understand what happened and make sure it never happens again. catherine: senator graham is asking the attorney general to declassify underlying records to provide the most of complete picture possible to the public. >> joining us now for his reaction, former whitewater deputy independent council, robert bitman. >> very disturbing, liz. clearly the higher ups at the fbi were conducti

. >> james clapper, director of intelligence, says the whig the blower report is one of the best he has ever seen. here he is. >> i have seen a lot of whistle-blower complaints in the time i was dni and this had to be the best composed, best written, the best documented such complaint i have ever seen. alsoly done by a seasoned, mature, capable intelligence professional. >> a seasoned, capable, intelligence professional. what does it tell you just behind the report itself? >> to me, i have never seen anything like this. it's a bill of indictment, well put together much better than the mueller report. it gets right to the point. it sites the law. you know this is unusual in the report. normally what happens in the intelligence community is someone says something they don't like and they run in and they dump it orally on the inspector general and may type up. but not this complete, and not only that, it awards and and i wonder if they didn't get legal help and a lot of editing. because it's truly brilliant. >> maybe that person had experience gathering intelligence before working at the w

. >> this is the continuation of the john brennan, james comey efforts -- lou: james clapper -- >> theroup who are under investigation by barr and durham. i find the timing of this somewhat suspicious. it's clear this agent or officer and his democratic connected lawyers worked with the house intelligence ask committee. lou: if you are a cia officer you go to the democratic lawyers and the democratic staff of the intel committee. >> we have seen this working together with the democratic party, the previous administration to prevent him from becoming president, and now we see it as a move against the president. i don't know how else to read this. >> the mission of the cia is to investigate activities outside this country, not inside the country. the role of the investigation. here is the fbi. the whole idea of putting dni together was to make sure to coordinate. there is a natural reverse division of the cia hat follows up. a spy network, they coordinate with the fbi. thin they have -- then they have to have permission by the attorney general or the dni head. this guy or girl -- lou: it

president-elect trump in 2017, according to this report comey former director national intelligence james clappercia director john brennan former nsa director mike rodgers met with president-elect trump weeks before his inauguration after that meeting comey met privately with president-elect to discuss salacious allegations in the so-called steel dossier the fraudulent document that concocted by christopher steele top fbi and intel brass believed allegations or pretended to even though christopher sfooel had given every reason to have absolutely no confidence whatsoever about its contents, after that private meeting between comey and the president comey took notes. it seems to be his practice before reporting back to top agency officials working on "crossfire hurricane" investigation joining me byron york chief political correspondent for the washington examiner fox business issue contributor author of much what have we know about that meeting great to have you with us. >> hi, lou thanks for having me. >> this document is to me as i said at the outset of this broadcast turgid, dense obtuse, and i

james clapper decided comey should do the one-on-one briefing about the does were.ng to the report comey observed the president trump's reaction and quickly documented them for investigative purposes in a record known as memo one that comey marked as highly classified. he said he had a secure fbi laptop waiting for him in his vehicle. his judgment was that the information ought to be treated like fisa-derived information or information in a counter-intelligence investigation. ranging republican on the house intelligence committee says comeys actions were clearly premeditated. a the received we have is comey was acting like an agent of the crossfire hurricane team. that was clear evidence weigh he was involved in this. where before he was trying to pretend he was a step or two away. >> the investigation reveals what appears to be a similar incidents where peter strzok and lisa page testified about using a routine transition briefing to gather information. liz: joining me for reaction, former prosecutor, doug byrnes. >> the more we learn, it's interesting. it seems th

government was spying to americans with a series of secret programs and lying about it, look at you james clapper tapping internet cables and switches, nsa programs were breaking and entering, spying then lying, making snowden's crimes minuscule by comparison. could no longer be met with we're protects you from bad guy's propaganda, we entered to 6 years of on going discussion about mass surveillance and role of the scope of government. to the 2016 campaign spying from the fbi to the doj, we needed these changes, that would be impossible without the snowden revelation. he wants a fair and open trial but will be prosecute the opaquely. the tone has been set by secretary of state, and president. who have in past, respectively called for his death september 11 ansense --sentence and execud debate whether snowden is a trader. privacy tools have exploded, as a result, there is still an unhealthy abuse of power, that is an on going magnet for corruption, let a jury of snowden peers decide his fate. he will then be joined in jail by deep state power hoarders, who are too eager to make and exploit loopho

assessment or ica into russian election interference and the director of national intelligence james clappered comey to do dossier alone. according to the ig report after comey revealed the dossier claims he documented his reaction for investigative purposes in the first memo comey considered sensitive saying he had a secure laptop waiting for him in his fbi vehicle and when he got in the vehicle he was handed the laptop. the judgment was the information should be treated like fisa derived information or in a counterintelligence investigation. on fox the ranking republican on the house intelligence committee said comey's actions were premeditated. >> comey was not going to get up to speed, he was acting as if he was an agent rocking -- working for the crossfire hurricane team. clear evidence he was involved in this, before he tried to pretend he is a step or 2 away from what happened. >> reporter: earlier this year a fox news investigation revealed a similar episode where lisa page and peter heather nauert he gathered information. >> when the house judiciary committee returns to washington t

they are leaking classified documents, and you know, the dni, james clapper is helping all along the way to gullible members of the united states senate democrats, as well as to the media. they were so aggrieved that hillary clinton had lost the presidential election but they became furious about it and worked such a loosely in the closing days and hours of the obama administration to try to push pursue the collusion narrative even though they knew it was a fallacy. but they were counting on the gullibility of members in the senate and the complicit media to carry it on. going all the way to the oval office, president obama, he had to have not only known -- >> sean: real quick, will the inspector general determined that they were obtained illegally? your prediction. >> i think they will. real quick, sean, what he just talked about, think of the timing of all this. >> sean: don't have time. this is part of what he talked about. >> absolute. >> sean: that's next. another day. another joe biden blunder. plus, kamala harris will apologize. we will bring you up to speed on the 2020 democr

when he was director of national intelligence, james clapper was asked whether the nsa collected data on millions of americans. he said, no, not wittingly. he committed perjury. we know he committed perjury because edward snowden heroically blew the whistle on the prison program and other programs of mass surveillance of americans. snowden is essentially in exile and would be prosecuted if he returns home. meanwhile, the statute of limitations has expired for clapper's perjury. with great power comes great reduced account ability. often, the perverse incentives of power come from opportunities to profit from government contracts. individuals who work in the national security state can often find lucrative jobs working for defense contractors were serving on the board. they then use the connections in government and their reputations for public service to direct taxpayer money to these businesses. this is called a revolving door. and, military leaders often walk through it repeatedly. jim mad dogmatics recently resigned as donald trump's secretary of defense and really joined the board

i spoke about that earlier this evening with the former director of national intelligence james clapper who was concerned. >> our first guest can speak to it as well as the reporting that you just heard. cnn legal analyst jim baker and cnn national security analyst. let me start with you. reporting that the d.o.j. knew about the whistleblower a week before they got the referral and that according to the "new york times," the white house knew, as well. is that improper? what's your read on this? >> it's concerning to me. when i heard that, i was not thrilled about it. i think i have no reason to question the acting dni or anybody that works for him in terms of the integrity or their effort to proceed in good faith in a very difficult situation. but having said that, it did concern me when i heard that they had gone both to the white house and to the justice department to talk about this when the center of this case obviously has to do with the president and also then in the call the attorney general is named several times. so i'm not sure that they did the wrong thing. i can understand w

i spoke about that earlier this evening with the former director of national intelligence james clapper who was concerned. >> our first guest can speak to it as well as the reporting that you just heard. cnn legal analyst jim baker and cnn national security analyst. samantha served on the president's security council. let me start with you. reporting that the d.o.j. knew about the whistle-blower a week before they got the referral and that according to the "new york times," the white house knew, as well. is that improper? what's your read on this? >> it's concerning to me. when i heard that, i was not thrilled about it. i think i have no reason to question the acting dni or anybody that works for him in terms of the integrity or their effort to proceed in good faith in a very difficult situation. but having said that, it did concern me when i heard that they had gone both to the white house and to the justice department to talk about this when the center of this case obviously has to do with the president and also then in the call the attorney general is named several times. so i'm not

. >>> now, the former director of national intelligence under president obama, james clapper.ry nice to have you here. the white house is defending the president's call with the australian prime minister saying in a statement in part tonight, quote, this call relates to a doj inquiry publicly announced months ago to uncover exactly what happened. the doj simply requested the president provide introduks to facilitate that ongoing inquiry and he sdoidid so, that's all. is that all or is it inappropriate? >> i don't think the foreign governments in question, particularly the australians have any doubts about what the real purpose here. it's another illustration of extraordinary lengths this administration and the attorney general as a point man, the lengths they are going to to try to discredit the original reporting on the russia interference and presumably any connections between the russians and the trump campaign. >> the extent they are going to discredit the entirety of the u.s. intelligence community on this. i want to get you on a few other points. the trump administration

and we also know that comey isn't telling the truth, like you said,d as well as john brennan, james clapperamantha powers -- >> sean: susan rice. >> susan rice. >> sean: and barack obama. barack obama. >> they need to be held accountable. >> sean: this would be his counterintelligence investigation. congressman, we are expecting a fisa report from the inspector general. to me, anything short of these warrants were illegally obtained, premeditated fraud warrant, chronicled it and unverifiable.the author doesn'td it. the fbi determined themselves it was not true. that was long after they signed the warrant. should have been ahead of time. between that fisa report premeditated and the durham report, do you believe that we will see equal justice under thr law? do these figures that we talk about face indictment and possible convictions? >> well, you know we sent over criminal referrals. whar i would focus on a conspiracy because i think that is really the law. >> sean: the conspiracy and the criminal sense and the legal sense. >> conspiracy and the criminal sense and graig jarrod explaine. they

. >> i am joined now by james clapper, the former director of national intelligence under president obama. and it was years after retiring as a three star general in the air force that you reentered government. it just so happened two days after 9/11, already in the works to join an intel agency that was key in the war on terror. i wonder for you what is on your mind today 18 years after the attacks? >> i think like everyone who's old enough, the events of that day are indelible. i remember exactly where i was and what i was doing when i first learned of the attacks. i think what really brought it home to me in a very impact full way was when i saw the pentagon on fire, a place i spent about 13 years of my active duty time. that was quite profound for me. i happened to be in arnold, missouri, at the time of the attack and with a couple other people drove back that night. >> because you couldn't fly obviously. >> no. all the flights were grounded. you couldn't find any rent a cars either. we common deandeered a voeehicl the pool. >> it feels like it was not that long ago. it's pretty unbel

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rather, the obama-biden administration and the intelligence community overseen by james clapper and jim brennan had the responsibility to secure the 2016 election. i'll leave it to this committee and the american public to decide how successful they were in doing their jobs. regardless, as the special counsel determined, there was no collusion or obstruction in the presidential campaign or foreign influence during or afterwards. in conclusion, and it's sad to say, this country has spent over three years and 40 million taxpayer dollars on these investigations, and it's now clear that the investigation was populated by many trump haters who had their own agenda, to take down a duly elected president of the united states. as for actual collusion or conspiracy, there was none. what there has been, however, is harassment of the this president since the day he won the election. we as a nation would be better suited to face our efforts to true crises in our country instead of going down rabbit holes like this hearing. the committee should focus on solving the challenges of this generation. ima

held no elected position he was not a government official rather the obama/biden and overseen by james clappernd john brennan had the opportunity of the american people to ensure the integrity of the 2016 election i'll leave it to this committee and the american public to decide how successful or not they were in doing their jobs. regard regardless, as the special counsel determined there was no collusion with the trump campaign either on my watch or otherwise. and interest in the fake russian collusion narrative has fallen apart. in conclusion, and it's sad to say, this country has spent over three years and $40 million taxpayer dollars on this investigation. it's now clear that the investigation was populated by many trump haters who had their own agenda to take down a duly elected president of the united states as for actual collusion or conspiracy, there was none what there has been, however, harassment of this president from the day he won the election we as a nation would be better served if elected officials like yourself concentrated your efforts to combat the true crisis facing our co

i know "the new york times" article had just popped tonight, james clapper, the former head of director of national intelligence who knows about these things, spent his whole life in the intelligence community, said, you know, revelations about this extraction is going to make it far more difficult for us to recruit informants in russia. it's already extremely difficult. so this will have an impact, and, you know, i don't -- huge defender of the 1st amendment. i think information is important. man, having this kind of information out there, i am sure that the kremlin is watching this and this individual has friends and family, you know, people back in russia, and they're hearing about this, too. so it's going to have damage. >> and, brett, while i have you, later on this week, the lower end of manhattan will be lit up by two beams of blue light heading skyward to stand for the world trade center towers. that being the case, september 11th being on the way, what would your reaction have been if we were coming on the air tonight to report the house guests at camp david had been members of

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as james clapper put it, one manage's leaker is another man's whistle-blower. >> there are league definitions here. and to be clear, the person in this case, as you so correctly note, is protected by the legal definition of whistle-blower, joseph maguire made clear that this person followed the letter of the law very clearly. >> very, very different. >> thank you very much. >>> most republicans are still solidly behind donald trump, but there are some cracks? so which republicans are now saying what? >>> i want to say to the president, this is not okay. it is -- that conversation is not okay. and i think it's disappointing to the american public when they read the transcript. >> all right, that was congressman mike turner's critical comments during yesterday's house hearing. it adds to a small list of republicans expressing concern about president trump's actions. joinings now is cnn senior political commentator, john kasich. he is the former governor of ohio and a former republican presidential candidate. governor, it's great to have you here. you were on the air here in our studio yesterday