judy: representative james clyburn, who is the democratic party whip in the house of representatives,y much. rep. clyburn: thank you. ♪ judy: it has been a year of political tumult and natural disasters in pakistan. and to the west, there is another humanitarian crisis in neighboring afghanistan. it's a full slate of urgent issues for pakistan's foreign minister, bilawal bhutto zardari. a short time ago, amna nawaz spoke with him, and asked him for his thoughts on the ofn-tense relationship between pakistan and the united states. >> i absolutely believe we are now heading in a positive direction with increased engagement on both sides and i think it is all the more important in a world that offers a multitude of challenges for us to find areas in which we agree on to work together, and we are doing that on climate, on health, we are finding business and economic opportunities, particularly for women. those are all areas where pakistan and the u.s. are cooperating. it is a healthy sign, given in the past our operation is very narrow and specific in the war on terror, is now more broad-

. >> i think so -- [indiscernible] >> the honorable james clyburn, house of representatives. [overlapping speech] >> general mark milley and mrs. milley. >> the honorable james rich, united states senate, and ms. is rich. >> the honorable jb pritzker, governor of illinois, and mrs. pritzker. the honorable martin walsh, secretary of labor. the honorable thomas [indiscernible], secretary of agriculture. mr. john legend and mrs. christine teigen. the honorable nina hidalgo and mr. david james. mr. david e radley and catherine bradley. the honorable robert menendez, united states senate. and mrs. nadine menendez. ms. jennifer garner and ms. violet affleck. the honorable janet yellen, secretary of the treasury. the honorable mitchell landrieu and mrs. cheryl landrieu. mrs. raquel richmond. the honorable jean pierre and mrs. karine. the honorable lloyd austin, secretary of defense, and mrs. charlene austin. [overlapping speech] ms. ashley biden and ms. bevins. >> the honorable terrence mcauliffe and the honorable dorothy mcauliffe. >> how are you all doing tonight? >> the honorable

and just a few hours, democrats will choose between rhode island's reporter and james clyburn for the assistant leader. there was a surprise bid to challenge his long serving colleague yesterday. writing this in a letter. >> i think it is critical that the house democratic leadership team fully reflect the diversity of our caucus and the american people by including an lgbtq plus member. that's why i decided to run for assistant leader. the current democratic leadership trio, the 82-year-old clyburn is the only one who is opted to stay in a top position in the next congress. frustrate something younger members of his party. on the other side of the aisle, a number of house republicans continue to voice their opposition to kevin mccarthy serving as the next speaker. bob good became the fourth member of the caucus to firmly announce that they would not support mccarthy's speakership bid. >> what do you see as the potential number of folks who are really wanting to take this thing to the floor against mccarthy? if the situation and rules or anything? >> i'll point to andy bigs said. i vo

but he was obviously resuscitated in south carolina with the help of james clyburn and others.what about hugh's point there? >> yeah, i mean, hugh makes a great point. this seems to be an entirely a reflection of joe biden's experiences when he ran and finally won for the presidency. my concern, there is no issue necessarily with changing up a calendar. it's just that the party needs to do it for the right reasons. and i'm not sure doing this because it worked for joe biden is the right reason. you know, it's evident from the statements that were made that they are very concerned about minority voters and it has an element of racial identity politics involved in it. but, the bigger narrative that's been going on in the democratic party for some time now has been the problem it's had with blue collar and rural working voters. i'm not quite sure how this change would in any way address some of that and, in fact, it could actually make it worse. >> bret: we're just getting elon musk's twitter feed up here and he is retweeting matt taibbi about a series of tweets that says they are

carolina -- >> and i don't think anybody can make an argument against the statement that is that james clyburngle-handedly saved joe biden's bid for the presidency in 2020. am i wrong there? >> without joel klatt brennan biden would not be president today he was using in the early states in south carolina was the 7th real estate but let me tell you something illegal immigration is not overly popular among african american democratic voters in south carolina. is putting a lot of pressure on our system. forgiven benefits to illegals and american citizens are not able to obtain, is just a matter of time to another terrorist attack, so the fact that newsom went to the border tells me a lot about his future plans and the fact that we move south carolina up in the democratic early primary voting tells me a lot about fighting, and biden wants to run the only question is will be be physically capable of running and i will say this, if he doesn't adjust his border policies pretty soon, he would not be able to make the case that he is qualified. >> last question, so me know and this year alone. that we

. >> pete: yeah, i mean joe biden is not president without south carolina and james clyburn so in partwas beneficial for him. all right. guys. so we have got in, you know, about a day, you guys can go back to bed before b. this one in a day we have got our show. rachel you do the first three guests we have and will can you do the last three and we will see how this goes. >> rachel: we have the great judge jeanine piro, clay travis and, brian kilmeade who we are going to see tonight, pete. we are going to go his show along with carley. >> it's true. will? >> will: we have nancy grace, carol swain, and buck sexton. something else coming up this weekend if you put me back on the television screen really quickly here i want to show you it's a big weekend on "fox & friends weekend." because, it's a little bit -- it's two weeks ago now this showed up in my office. can you see my face defiled, right? you can see daca prescott overrated. you were terrible on espn. and then the alternative i had this one here, better than you in every way. great hair. great-look great clothes. great -- this is

building upon the great work led by nancy pelosi and steny hoyer and james clyburn over the last few congresses when we've been in that majority. >> that's only part of it. you talk about your main mission is finding a way to have bipartisan compromise. if somehow democrats and republicans can come together to elect a republican speaker who's willing to compromise, wouldn't that be good for democrats, wouldn't that advance your mission? >> what are the republicans going to do? from our standpoint we know what our mission is, fight for lower costs, fight for better paying jobs, fight for safer communities, defend democracy, fight for reproductive rights, put the public interest first and ensure economic opportunity in every single corner of america, the question on the other side of the aisle, what will republicans do? will they double and triple down on the extremism we've seen from people like marjorie taylor greene that would be unfortunate. if that's -- david joyce is a colleague of mine, we worked on legislation. we reduced the act to repair the federal government, to move toward

how stomach reddick congressman james clyburn has any message for him as he tries to get the 218 votesink that he has -- to put together the kind of deal, stored necessary to get to 2:18. however, if there are seven or eight people who are not going to vote for, then i would advise him to go and look at the other side of the aisle, and see whether or not there are deals over there to be made as well. >> joining me now is jonathan capehart, houses thundershower jonathan capehart right here on msnbc. thank you so much for, i found, for sticking around. >> of course. >> here's why i want to talk with you, you sounded stunned when the congressman said that during your interview. i was in the makeup around, and i was like, wait, what? i was thinking, did i hear him right? tell me what went through your mind, what kind of a deal could he be made? >> right after, you played that clip, and right afterward, how i looked in i said, oh, what kind of deals? >> wu club burnside, wall things that we go talk about, things that we could do for the american people on a bipartisan basis. clyde byrne, fr

and i don't think anybody can make an argument against this statement that is that james clyburn single handedly saved joe biden's bid for the presidency in twenty 20. am i wrong there without jim clyburn? joe biden would not be president today. he was losing in the early state of south carolina was the turnaround state because of clyburn. and let me tell you something. illegal immigration is not overly popular. among african-american democratic voters in south carolina. is putting a lot of pressure on our system. we're giving benefits, illegals that american citizens are not able to obtain. and it's just a matter of time to another terrorist attack. so the fact that newsome went to the border tells me a lot about his future plans, the fact that we moved south carolina up in the democratic early primary voting tells me a lot about biden. biden wants to run. the only question is , will he be physically capable of running? and i'll say this, if he doesn't justice border policies, pretty soon he will not be able to make the case that he's all right. >> the last question. yeah, so we know t

and congressman james clyburn of south carolina!ss. it's great to have you all with us. >> thank you very much. >> congratulations. >> thank you. >> you would be -- i have to say i love a good challenge. i really do. you would be the last person i would ever run against. the guy who elects presidents. >> you just go do that. >> kingmaker. >> we like david. who would challenge you? >> not smart. >> i don't know. he said he wanted an issue to be discussed and brought to the table and i think we'll discuss the issue. >> what issue? what issue? >> oh lgbtq community. >> okay. >> and -- >> all right. >> i think is a legitimate thing. i'm the guy that put together the matthew shepard issue and -- >> you did, yeah. >> speaker pelosi brought a separate issue forward. brought his mother to the capitol and we did it. i guess this is a reward you get. >> okay. >> as my mother would say all the time -- no good deed goes unpunished. >> exactly. >> we saw nancy last night. >> so beautiful. >> the speaker. what's it going to be like? a house witho

what it has to do is the fact that south carolina and the support of james clyburn, a prominent african—americanan, is why is president today why joe biden is president today or why he's who at least was the democratic and so joe democratic nominee. and so joe biden actually said that he would nominate an african american woman to the supreme court if he got the opportunity . and that's what he followed through. did and what you through. did and what do you think ? you know, obviously, the think? you know, obviously, the left have a have a particular way of just trying to destroy everything and free speech in particular. they and donald particular. and they and donald trump the bogeyman. do you trump is the bogeyman. do you think is going to win think that this is going to win , affect his or his , you know, affect his or his chances of standing and what are your thoughts on this? and do your thoughts on this? and do you think he's going to come through the centre? this is through to the centre? this is going be tough. take going to be tough. i take everyone seriously, just as obviously job of o

what it has to do is the fact that south carolina and the support of james clyburn, a prominent african—americanan, is why is president today why joe biden is president today or why he's who at least was the democratic and so joe democratic nominee. and so joe biden actually said that he would nominate an african american woman to the supreme court if he got the opportunity . and that's what he followed through. did and what you through. did and what do you think ? you know, obviously, the think? you know, obviously, the left have a have a particular way of just trying to destroy everything and free speech in particular. they and donald particular. and they and donald trump the bogeyman. do you trump is the bogeyman. do you think is going to win think that this is going to win , affect his or his , you know, affect his or his chances of standing and what are your thoughts on this? and do your thoughts on this? and do you think he's going to come through the centre? this is through to the centre? this is going be tough. take going to be tough. i take everyone seriously, just as obviously job of o

joining me now is current house majority whip, and the incoming assistant democratic leader, james clyburn to the sunday show. congratulations. >> thank, you thank you very much for having me back. >> with the rest of the old guard step in a way, why did you decide to stand for election to be a part of the new leadership team? >> several reasons. first of all, hakeem jeffries, pete aguilar, they're well prepared to lead our caucus, they will be leading. the fact of the matter is, we do have other parts of the country that have been crying out for a long time. they want to be recognized, respected, included. i represents south ernst aides. i think it's a mistake for people to keep thinking the south's white only. that's what i keep hearing. the fact is, the majority is of black americans, they live in the south. i represents the rural interests, to make a breakthrough with, with a recent infrastructure bill. we had significant breakthroughs around rural voters. i'm going to continue that. i had long discussions with hakeem jeffries, he knows exactly what we're trying to do. >> what is the b