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[inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> james o'keefe, how did you get started with project veritas? >> guest: i got started at rutgers university, surrounded by political correctness and people trying to shut others down and it outraged me. it was very upsetting. it angered me that there was a lack of freedom of thought on college campus. this was ten years ago, things have gotten much worse. i got off the panel here and talked about this contempt and the anger of injustice and that got me started. >> host: was there a specific incident? >> guest: at rutgers they had grease trucks that sold sandwiches and some had offensive names on them. they put duct tape over the name censoring the names of these sandwiches. this whole outcry in response to that, we tried to ban lucky charms on the grounds that it is racist against irish people. it was just a joke, satire, university officials took us seriously and we secretly recorded the encounter and it went viral on campus in 2005. >> host: in 2010 in new orleans you open your book "breakthrough: our guerilla war to expose fraud and
[inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> james o'keefe, how did you get started with project veritas? >> guest: i got started at rutgers university, surrounded by political correctness and people trying to shut others down and it outraged me. it was very upsetting. it angered me that there was a lack of freedom of thought on college campus. this was ten years ago, things have gotten much worse. i got off the panel here and talked about this contempt and the anger of...
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james o'keefe selectively edited and i did not. that the hidden producer from a lantern he actually did retract that. so i never specifically made anything using that term is a characterization to say this is how day work. >> you mentioned assault kolinsky -- saul alinksky. >> of which is on the panel with his son and he appeals to people's self-interest antagonistic. he denied hill's of the christian ethic but self-interest and how will we give power to these people? and give them to the have-nots that is very similar in so far the mainstream media does not give you information. that voter fraud does not exist if it isn't even possible so our mission is to say that it is true to get that information out. >> so what is in your self-interest? you can say left to right. to except the world as it is in he in fact, recruited people in saul alinksky was a major contributing reason why the churches are now democratic voting blocs so he was effective but not dogmatic. >> is there any concern that that was unfair?. >> i don't believe so. t
james o'keefe selectively edited and i did not. that the hidden producer from a lantern he actually did retract that. so i never specifically made anything using that term is a characterization to say this is how day work. >> you mentioned assault kolinsky -- saul alinksky. >> of which is on the panel with his son and he appeals to people's self-interest antagonistic. he denied hill's of the christian ethic but self-interest and how will we give power to these people? and give them...
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his headline was, james o'keefe selectively edited this out. in fact it did not edited out. that john was producer from atlanta. he retracted that. why is everyone saying that? he did retracted. so, if you look closely at the facts, i've never actually specifically given any specific edits. they're just using that term is a characterization against me. this is how they work. that's one of the things i'm fighting. >> you mentioned saul lewinsky, were his tactics, do they work? >> they were enormously effective. i just moderated a panel between dave lewinsky who is the son of saul linsky. he appealed to people self-interest. he was antagonistic. he did not appeal to people sense of virtue. the christian ethic. he appealed to self-interest. how are we going to get power to these people? in many of the things he wrote about taking power away from the house and given up to the have-nots. >> i view our mission it's very similar, and so far as the mainstream media does not give you information. george stephanopoulos says voter fraud does not exist. it's not even possible to commit
his headline was, james o'keefe selectively edited this out. in fact it did not edited out. that john was producer from atlanta. he retracted that. why is everyone saying that? he did retracted. so, if you look closely at the facts, i've never actually specifically given any specific edits. they're just using that term is a characterization against me. this is how they work. that's one of the things i'm fighting. >> you mentioned saul lewinsky, were his tactics, do they work? >>...
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and at 11:45 pm last month annual libertarian conference freedom best, james o'keefe founder and president of parted veritas on his thoughts on the media. that all happens tonight on c-span2's booktv. now, joel pollak on the 2016 presidential election. >> breitbart news is senior editor at large, joel pollak. take us back to august and how you felt about the election. >> i was not optimistic about trump is for any republican chances against hillary clinton. but my editor predicted differently. he predicted that donald trump would not only win the nomination but go on to win the presidency.
and at 11:45 pm last month annual libertarian conference freedom best, james o'keefe founder and president of parted veritas on his thoughts on the media. that all happens tonight on c-span2's booktv. now, joel pollak on the 2016 presidential election. >> breitbart news is senior editor at large, joel pollak. take us back to august and how you felt about the election. >> i was not optimistic about trump is for any republican chances against hillary clinton. but my editor predicted...
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. >> at 10:00 p.m., james o'keefe, founder and president of project veritas, discussing his book "breakthrough: guerrilla war to exposed fraud and save democracy." >> is very hard to break through to the mainstream media these days. on cnn.amera videos cnn did homage in a word about it. the notion of getting on the front page of "the new york times" or getting anderson cooper to talk about you are getting the number one training thing on twitter, these are what we call breaking through. >> for more on this we can schedule, go to booktv.org. live today on c-span, "washington journal. his next. if tenant like a.m., the u.s. commission on civil rights meet to examine the justice department enforcement of the voting rights act. coming up, and look at the trump administration's review of protective federal lands. on the reviewaub of more than two dozen national monument designations made by the obama administration. at 8:30 a.m., utah state representative might know all, rate -- mike noel. borders of thee monument in southeastern utah.
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. >> host: james o'keefe is the author of this book, breakthrough. exposing fraud and saving democracy. this is book tv and c-span2 at freedom fest. >> welcome to jackson, mississippi. , the third annual jackson mississippi film festival. we will be bringing author events from the state capital which will include a discussion with my brand of conference, carla hayden. panels a mississippi history in u.s. presidents. best-selling authors on the vietnam war and more. for complete schedule of events, go to booktv.org. you can follow some social media have book tv is our twitter handle. our facebook pages book tv. our institut instagram it's book -underscore tv. now, from the state capital in jackson is live coverage of the mississippi book festival onli book tv and c-span2. [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] >> morning. good morning everyone.missis >> were gathered to kick off the third annual mississippi book festival. [applause] this book festival highligh
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james o'keefe , veritos, breakthrough, guerilla war to save democracy. >> it is very hard to break through to the mainstream media days, we have a big story n cnn, hidden cameras, cnn didn't mention a word about it. the notion of getting on the "new york of the times," getting anderson cooper to talk about you, number one thing on twitter, these are breaking through. >> for more of this weekend's to booktv.org. >> every month book t.v. on -span2 features an in-depth conversation with a nonfiction author about their writing career. 3rd, eric tember it," s, "if you can keep october 1, ce," and discussaurine dowd will "bush world, are mean necessary," and "the world of dangerously," and "the project," and "the big short and the new new thing," oin us for in depth first sunday of the month at noon eastern on book t.v. on c-span 2. >> "washington journal" continues. former r guest was a white aryan resistance organizer and now is executive director of life after hate, tony mcaleer joining us on "washington journal," good morning to you. thank you for having me. host: could you tell us about it
james o'keefe , veritos, breakthrough, guerilla war to save democracy. >> it is very hard to break through to the mainstream media days, we have a big story n cnn, hidden cameras, cnn didn't mention a word about it. the notion of getting on the "new york of the times," getting anderson cooper to talk about you, number one thing on twitter, these are breaking through. >> for more of this weekend's to booktv.org. >> every month book t.v. on -span2 features an in-depth...
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at 10 a p.m., james o'keefe discusses hisitas book "breakthrough -- our guerrilla war to expose fraud and save democracy." james: it is hard to break through to the mainstream media. we did a big story on cnn, hidden camera videos. cnn did not mention a word about it. the notion of getting on the front page of the new york times, or getting anderson cooper to talk about you, or getting the number one trending thing on twitter -- these are what we call breaking through. >> for more on the weekend schedule, go to book tv.org. "q&a," a night on washington bureau chief recounts events in u.s. history that happen on specific dates throughout the year, in his book "on this date." >> it is a cruiser. it comes down to san francisco and has a secret mission. there is a thing loaded onto it. it is very heavy. it is the components of the atom bomb that will be dropped in japan and world war ii, obviously top-secret. so top-secret that the navy does not do the normal things they do , and the ship, after it it headsits cargo -- out to rendezvous what may be the battle for japan. it does not get an
at 10 a p.m., james o'keefe discusses hisitas book "breakthrough -- our guerrilla war to expose fraud and save democracy." james: it is hard to break through to the mainstream media. we did a big story on cnn, hidden camera videos. cnn did not mention a word about it. the notion of getting on the front page of the new york times, or getting anderson cooper to talk about you, or getting the number one trending thing on twitter -- these are what we call breaking through. >> for...
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. >> and then at 10:00 p.m., james o'keefe, founder and president of project veritas discusses his "breakthrough." >> it is very hard to breakthrough to the mainstream media these days. we did this big story on cnn, hidden cameras peter cnn didn't mention a word about it. the notion of getting on the front page of the new york times are getting anderson cooper to talk about you getting the number one video on youtube, these are breaking through. >> for more of this weakens schedule, go to book tv.org. weekend's schedule, go to book tv.org. >> this tuesday, president trump holds a rally in phoenix, arizona. live coverage begins at 10 a.m. eastern on c-span, online at c-span.org or on the free c-span radio app. >> the leading cause of death last year for people under the of
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ought to be looking at the fact that they have been exposed by project very toss and my good buddy james o'keefe over there doing some fantastic work finding out behind the scenes that they know that the russian story was absolute garbage favorite mitt it is jon bon a field the producer c.n.n. completely fake news look fake news is not just a moniker or or a hash tag it's for real folks and it is that c.n.n. jena you know one of the things i think is very very interesting is that because america has this kind of culture of victimization everybody is a victim a how c.n.n. could come out and say they were a victim of something is just laughable on its face here but what i see here the media doing i think the media's leading and i think the report the democrats are following is that they're projecting all of their negativity about about what they know about themselves and to others it is a process of projecting we had this central park we have the play we had the bloody head and we had a loony take saying where are the republicans so i can start firing away at a baseball field but they can't see th
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. >> then at 10:00 p.m., james o'keefe, founder and president of project veratas discuss this book: break through." >> very hard to break through to the main stream media these days. we just did a big story on cnn with hidden camera video. cnn didn't mention a word about and it the notion of getting on the front page of "the new york times" or getting anderson cooper to talk about you or the number one video on youtube or twitter, these are breaking through. >> for more offer the schedule go to booktv.org. >> next, we'll larry from journalist louis uchitelle on manufacturing in america today. he wrote a book titled o'making it" why manufacturing still matters" this is an hour. >> good evening, everybody.
. >> then at 10:00 p.m., james o'keefe, founder and president of project veratas discuss this book: break through." >> very hard to break through to the main stream media these days. we just did a big story on cnn with hidden camera video. cnn didn't mention a word about and it the notion of getting on the front page of "the new york times" or getting anderson cooper to talk about you or the number one video on youtube or twitter, these are breaking through. >>...
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entertaining way, that you will win way more fans than the media has made enemies for you. 0 -- then james o'keefe discusses his book. >> it is very hard to rate through to the mainstream media these days. we did a big story on cnn and cnn did not mention a word about it. the notion of being on the front page of the new york times, getting anderson cooper to talk about you, getting the number one video on youtube, these are what we call breaking through. >> for more, go to book tv.org. next, to voice of america journalists discuss their coverage of the recent residential election held in kenya. center forhe strategic and international studies, this is an hour and a half.
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. >> attempt him, james o'keefe, founder and president discusses his book, breakthrough. our guerrilla war to expose fraud and save democracy. >> it is very hard to break through to the mainstream media the stays. we just did a big story on cnn. cnn didn't mention a word about it. the notion of getting on the front page of new york times with anderson cooper to talk about your getting the number one video on youtube or twitter. these are breaking through. >> for more of this weekend schedule go to book tv data works. >> this year's festival is so exciting. i must tell you. this can be one of my favorites because i'm a big nonfiction fan. the types of authors that were going to have from david mccullough to jd van whose book is on every reading list say you can imagine in every book club, it's an exciting time. >> trying book tv for the national book festival, live from washington, d.c. saturday september 2 on c-span2. >> lenten administration
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. >> then at 10:00 p.m., james o'keefe, founder and resident of project veritas discusses his book. >> it is very hard to break through to the mainstream media these days. we had this big story on cnn with camera video. cnn didn't mention a word about it. the notion of getting on the front page of the new york times or getting anderson cooper to talk about you, or getting the number one trending thing on twitter -- this is what we call breaking through. >> for more of this we can schedule go to book tv.org. >> on monday a total solar eclipse will be visible across the u.s. in a path stretching from oregon to south carolina. for normal on the phenomenon we talked to a astronomer from cleansing university. -- clemson university. an adjunctenberg, professor of physics and astronomy joins us now. that is where he will be watching on monday, the total solar eclipse. it will be the 27th one he has observed in person, by far the most of anyone alive today. for the viewers out there who will be witnessing this total solar eclipse for the first time, what is your favorite moment of a total sol
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. >> at 10:00 james o'keefe, founder of project emeritus discusses his book breakthrough, guerrilla war to ask lose -- >> on cnn, hidden camera videos, cnn didn't mention a word about it and the notion of being on the front page of the new york times or getting anderson cooper to talk about your getting the number one video on youtube, these are what we call breaking through. >> go to booktv.org. next two veteran journalists, in the recent general elections in kenya topics include campaign financing, female representation in parliament, the youth phone and opposition court case claiming the results were hacked. kenya's ambassador to the us was in attendance and asked the panelist questions, center for strategic and international studies hosted this 90 minute event.
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announcer: at 10:00, james o'keefe, founder and president of project veritas, discusses his book "breakthrough - our guerrilla war to expose fraud and to save democracy." >> it is hard to break through the mainstream media these days. the hidden camera videos on cnn, they do not mention a word about it. getting on the front page of the new york times, or getting the number one video on youtube, the number one trending thing on twitter, these are what we call breaking through. announcer: for more of the schedule, go to book tv.org. commissionthe u.s. on civil rights issued a statement condemning the violence motivated by white supremacists in charlottesville. a proposed amendment condemning violence by counterdemonstrators was voted down. an hour.just under >> the meeting of the u.s. commission on civil rights comes to order at 10:00 a.m. on august 18, 2017. our meeting takes place at the commission headquarters at 1331 pennsylvania avenue, northwest, washington, dc. i am the chair. commissioners are the vice harriet,mmissioner commissioner nagasaki. and i believe we have on the telephone, i wo
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and at 11:45 pm last month annual libertarian conference freedom best, james o'keefe founder and president of parted veritas on his thoughts on the media. that all happens tonight on c-span2's booktv. now, joel pollak on the 2016 presidential election. >> breitbart news is senior editor at large, joel pollak. take us back to august and how you felt about the election. >> i was not optimistic about trump is for any republican chances against hillary clinton. but my editor predicted differently. he predicted that donald trump would not only win the nomination but go on to win the presidency. he did on the basis of data that he was looking at particularly the large number of democrats in key counties and places like northeastern ohio who are switching the party registration from democratic to republican. and one of the things they were doing this was that they watched the first presidential debates and they realize that donald trump was speaking about issues that many felt democratic voters cared about. trade and immigration. bernie sanders was talking about the issues also which is one of th
and at 11:45 pm last month annual libertarian conference freedom best, james o'keefe founder and president of parted veritas on his thoughts on the media. that all happens tonight on c-span2's booktv. now, joel pollak on the 2016 presidential election. >> breitbart news is senior editor at large, joel pollak. take us back to august and how you felt about the election. >> i was not optimistic about trump is for any republican chances against hillary clinton. but my editor predicted...
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james o'keefe founder and president of project veritas discusses his book breakthrough: our guerrilla war to expose fraud and save democracy. >> it's very hard to break through to the mainstream media these days and we did a big story on cnn with hidden camera videos and cnn didn't engine a word about it. the notion of getting on the front page of the new york times or getting anderson cooper to talk about you for the number one trending thing on twitter these are what we call breaking through. >> for more of this cspan schedule go to booktv.org. >> ahead this morning the us commission on civil rights examines the justice department's enforcement of the voting rights act act and the supreme court decision striking down part of the act. you will be there live at 10:00 a.m. eastern over on c-span. it will also be streaming online at c-span .org and on the free c-span radio app. next, we will hear from john the oklahoma insurance commissioner on efforts to eliminate and prevent insurance fraud. this senate commerce transportation and science subcommittee hearing runs about
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announcer: at 10:00, james o'keefe, founder and president of project veritas, discusses his book "breakthrough - our guerrilla war to expose fraud and to save democracy." >> it is hard to break through the mainstream media these days. the hidden camera videos on cnn, they do not mention a word about it. getting on the front page of the new york times, or getting the number one video on youtube, the number one trending thing on twitter, these are what we call breaking through. announcer: for more of the schedule, go to book tv.org. commissionthe u.s. on civil rights issued a statement condemning the
announcer: at 10:00, james o'keefe, founder and president of project veritas, discusses his book "breakthrough - our guerrilla war to expose fraud and to save democracy." >> it is hard to break through the mainstream media these days. the hidden camera videos on cnn, they do not mention a word about it. getting on the front page of the new york times, or getting the number one video on youtube, the number one trending thing on twitter, these are what we call breaking through....
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0 -- then james o'keefe discusses his book. >> it is very hard to rate through to the mainstream media these days. we did a big story on cnn and cnn did not mention a word about it. the notion of being on the front page of the new york times, getting anderson cooper to talk about you, getting the number one video on youtube, these are what we call breaking through. >> for more, go to book tv.org. next, to voice of america journalists discuss their coverage of the recent residential election held in kenya. center forhe strategic and international studies, this is an hour and a half. >> to our kenyan election review, some weeks ago, we did a kenyan election preview and i'm not sure many of our forecasts or predictions came to pass, which is maybe a good thing. happy that we have a panel consisting of two distinctive journalists who have following the campaign and the election in kenya and going to introduce them in just a moment. my name is mark bellamy and i'm atenior advisor for africa ces i.s.. i was ambassador in nairobi and i had the good fortune to spend several weeks in naomi -- i
0 -- then james o'keefe discusses his book. >> it is very hard to rate through to the mainstream media these days. we did a big story on cnn and cnn did not mention a word about it. the notion of being on the front page of the new york times, getting anderson cooper to talk about you, getting the number one video on youtube, these are what we call breaking through. >> for more, go to book tv.org. next, to voice of america journalists discuss their coverage of the recent residential...
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. >> at 10:00 p.m., james o'keefe founder and president of project veritas discusses his book breakthrough, guerrilla war to expose fraud and save democracy. >> it is very hard to break through the mainstream media these days. we just a big story on cnn, they did not mention a word about it. and the notion of getting on the front page of the new york times are getting anderson cooper to talk about you are getting the number one video on youtube, the number one trending on twitter. these are what withhold breaking through. >> for more this weekend's schedule, go to booktv.org. >> c-span's coverage of the solar eclipse on monday starts at 7:00 a.m. eastern with the washington journal live at nasa's space center in maryland.i guess our -- at noon eastern, we joined nasa t.v. as they provide live views of the eclipse shadow passing over north america. and at 4:00 p.m. eastern, viewer reaction to the rare solar eclipse over the continental united states. live on the coverage of the solar eclipse on monday starting at 7:00 a.m. eastern on c-span and c-span.org. listen live on the free c-span rad
. >> at 10:00 p.m., james o'keefe founder and president of project veritas discusses his book breakthrough, guerrilla war to expose fraud and save democracy. >> it is very hard to break through the mainstream media these days. we just a big story on cnn, they did not mention a word about it. and the notion of getting on the front page of the new york times are getting anderson cooper to talk about you are getting the number one video on youtube, the number one trending on twitter....
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[inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> james o'keefe, how did you get started with project veritas? >> guest: i got started at
[inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> james o'keefe, how did you get started with project veritas? >> guest: i got started at
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these guys get attention, and i think about some of these people like james o'keefe, the guy with all that, they seek out to create moments, to go viral, and then there are platforms like breitbart and alex jones who make that go viral, to help get more eyes, the amplification of it, as they do that, a lot of folks pick up on that, and we end up talking about it, it's this cycle, and they're always -- i feel like, looking -- it's like a reality tv show, they're always looking for that character they can prop up, become the target of ire from the media and political figures. for them, they love it, they're sitting there going, this is so great, it's working, we're driving them crazy, keep doing it, they fuel it, and it just becomes aself fulfilling prophecies in some ways. >> in some ways they seem silly, this guy is set apart from those other people because of the job he used to have and the security clearance he had. >> there are guidelines so you're not actually using your position of trust. you have to understand when you do provocative things, your clearance will be reveecked. it
these guys get attention, and i think about some of these people like james o'keefe, the guy with all that, they seek out to create moments, to go viral, and then there are platforms like breitbart and alex jones who make that go viral, to help get more eyes, the amplification of it, as they do that, a lot of folks pick up on that, and we end up talking about it, it's this cycle, and they're always -- i feel like, looking -- it's like a reality tv show, they're always looking for that character...