district, jamie cheney. jamie, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning.look at your very first tv advertisement for this campaign which dives right into this issue telling your personal story. >> i started a company that is focused on supporting working parents in the workforce and giving them the tools that they need to succeed. subsidized child care, flexible schedules, health care for all employees. when i was a young parent, i was pregnant and due to a very rare immune disease, i got very, very sick. doctors were able to identify a medication that i needed to fight the infection. if you make the decision to take this, there is a real risk of significant health impacts to the fetus. my husband and i made a health care decision to terminate the pregnancy. these are our choices and we need to be able to make them. i cannot wait to get on to the debate stage and have him look me in the air and say it is not health care. those rights were not hypothetical to me, they are not hypothetical to women today. no law, no tradition, no supreme court decision is to

cheney says, jamie, that trump is an adult, not an impr impressionable child, and needs to be held responsibleramatic statement on her part. she might as well be speaking, though, directly to the attorney general of the united states, right? >> there's no question about it, that the committee has been keeping the pressure up on the justice department. but i think what's critical here, wolf, is that the committee is doing its job for history, to lay out the case. and as we all know, you hear about prosecutors, it's not always so hard to make an indictment. it's a whole other question to make a case and convict someone. but the committee, liz cheney, all of these witnesses are providing critical information for the justice department and then we will see down the road whether there is a criminal referral and where the justice department takes it from here. one point to make, we are told that cassidy hutchinson's testimony the other day was a game changer for the justice department, and i'm certain that some of the testimony here from these white house insiders, white house counsel, also is going

boom, deliver that, and we will see how good you, our jamie raskin and liz cheney and all of them. so it up. surprise even speaking about himself in the third person general people view themselves as really important they reach peak pomposity and then they generally tend to do that. not for most people getting a subpoena to appear weather before congress or in court means a stat you will pair. there are no options and negotiating terms, of course. it has a sub members of the former administration from trying. there is certainly no option to say no, as bannon has. it is understandable why a committee as focused on january six and what led up to it, but want to hear from steve bannon. he was the main cheerleader, by his own claims, the leading voice and it all. >> live from our nation's capital, you are in the field headquarters of one of the small divisions of the bloodless coup, step by step by step, day by day, understanding we are all going to converge on that point on the six. >> he said a lot of things like that, more specifically, the committee is interested in his calls with

in fact people like jamie raskin and joey lofgren and others in liz cheney are not going to save the republicans. they are what is destroying the republic through this partisan gamesmanship. >> raymond: matt whitaker, thank you for being with us. up next, breaking details from tony blinken's meeting with his chinese counterpart and how the defense department is quickly eroding our military readiness. mike pompeo, gordon chang are here next. >> raymond: as every branch of the military is reportedly in the recruiting crisis, top brass is still doing everything it can to deter people from wanting to join. back in november, defense secretary lloyd austin made it mandatory for service members to get the covid vaccine. many have been fighting it and today we learned that roughly 40,000 national guardsmen and 22,000 reservists that refuse the vaccine will be barred from their duties, effectively cutting their pay and benefits. joining me, former secretary of state mike pompeo. he is a fox news contributor. what will getting rid of more than 60,000 service members do to our military readines

here's vice chair liz cheney and congressman jamie raskin. >> consider how millions of americans were to believe what donald trump's closest advisers and his administration did not. these americans did not have access to the truth like donald trump did. they put their faith and their trust in donald trump. they wanted to believe in him. they wanted to fight for their country, and he deceived them. for millions of americans that may be painful to accept, but it is true. >> one user asked is the sixth d-day, is that why trump wants everyone there? another asserted trump just told us all to come armed. this is happening. a third took it even further. it will be wild means we need volunteers for the firing squad. >> so the committee in this hearing closed the loop between the violence that was meted out against the law enforcement officials who protected the safety and lives of members of congress and the building in which the vice president was hiding out, and donald trump's statements. i wonder if you can speak to the fact that nobody has come along with any evidence refuting any of tha

. >> in may 2021, congresswoman elise challenged cheney for her leadership post. jamie phonic but still phonic supports trump's election lies. >> it became increasingly clear that to stay in house republican leadership, i would have to be willing to perpetuate the big lie and i wasn't comfortable with that. >> how many of your colleagues that perpetuate the big lie either with their comments where their votes, how many of them do you think actually believe it? >> very few. too many people are putting their own political future and their political fortunes, ahead of doing their duty. and, so i think that you know, in some instances, there is fear , physical fear about what trump would do or the threats that might come but in other cases, i think it's a political calculation, which is pretty craven if you think about it. >> what is the danger of official that might know better, acquiescing to these demands, to these requests or winking and nodding about the big lie? >> the danger is, that once you do it on this issue, why wouldn't you do it on any other issue? >> this is

and vice chair cheney is firing a warning shot, telling former president trump to stop reaching out to witnesses. according to committee member jamie raskin, quote, this has been an ongoing pattern and we're trying to send a message that witness tampering is a crime. but before doj would take any action, it would need to know a great deal more. for example, did president trump know this person was called to be a witness, and exactly what was the context of that call? doj is not commenting, but today congress was clearly trying to turn up the heat on former president trump. david? >> pierre thomas, rachel scott, our thanks to both of you tonight. >>> we move onto the other news and late today, an awful scene right here in new york city. a boat on the hudson capsizing. a child among the dead tonight. the rescue effort to get to several others. victims pulled from the water. abc's erielle reshef on the scene tonight. >> reporter: tonight, tragedy on new york city's hudson river. two people dead after this small jet boat capsized. the victims, a 7-year-old boy and a 50-year-old woman. authorities and new york waterway ferries frantical

it also, to the point that jamie's making about liz cheney, the committee wants to record this for history for people at the justice department have to make very difficult decisions about the potentially charging a former president of the united states or people close to him. with serious crimes. she also made crystal clear at the end, one of her goals is to disqualify him from running again. to try and break the spell of trump supporters, saying they're patriotic americans who are misled on that day, deployed by donald trump cynically. she may be a primary opponent of donald trump in 2024 if he runs, but she is trying to crack the spell with at least enough trump republicans to disqualify him from future public office. >> i wish we could bring it out of trump for a little bit, because this whole hearing is also showed us so many different points of this process or vulnerable. you have to have an ag who is gonna do with the president's gonna do, you have someone is not gonna say sure, put in those fake electors, you have to have people at the state level who can't be pressured. i know over

cheney raised a bunch of questions with that teaser at the end. >> a powerful takeaway from the january 6th select committee. joining us now, congressman jamie raskin, calling american carnage, donald trump's true legacy as the first u.s. president in u.s. history to call for a crowd to descend on washington and block the constitutional transfer of power. i want to start where the committee ended today, which is the vice chair of the committee, liz cheney, congresswoman liz cheney, talking about what sounded a lot like witness tampering. >> after our last hearing, president trump tried to call a witness in our investigation. a witness you have not yet seen in these hearings. that person declined to answer or respond to president trump's call and instead alerted their lawyer to the call. their lawyer alerted us. and this committee has supplied that information to the department of justice. let me say one more time, we will take any effort to influence witness testimony very seriously. >> so congressman raskin, who was the witness? is that witness tampering and obstruction of justice? >> well, we would have to know a lot more about it. the poi

i think liz cheney is one of the biggest problems in our country today. and then we have jamie raskin talking about his dad. his dad was very against the national security state. he was in the jfk demonstration and he was against what he called the national security state, what we might call the deep state. it is interesting to see jamie shunning his dad's legacy. and then we have adam schiff on the committee. where did russiagate go with adam schiff? where was the collusion? all they got was people lying to the fbi. the whole thing is a clash of and irrelevant to me. host: thank you, anthony. we received a couple of text messages and one comes from john in michigan. he says, until they investigate hilary and schiff these hearings are a scam. carol is in panama city, florida. i have not changed my mind. i did not need the investigation to know that trump was head honcho for all that transpired january 6. if he is not charged, not only will that be a disgrace, we will become a laughingstock around the world. to allow that man to get away such egregious behavior would be beyond d

i think liz cheney is one of the biggest problems in our country today. and then we have jamie raskin talking about his dad. his dad was very against the national security state. he was in the jfk demonstration and he was against what he called the national security state, what we might call the deep state. it is interesting to see jamie shunning his dad's legacy. and then we have adam schiff on the committee. where did russiagate go with adam schiff? where was the collusion? all they got was people lying to the fbi. the whole thing is a clash of and irrelevant to me. host: thank you, anthony. we received a couple of text messages and one comes from john in michigan. he says, until they investigate hilary and schiff these hearings are a scam. carol is in panama city, florida. i have not changed my mind. i did not need the investigation to know that trump was head honcho for all that transpired january 6. if he is not charged, not only will that be a disgrace, we will become a laughingstock around the world. to allow that man to get away such egregious behavior would be beyond d

but jamie gangel, let's talk about this because what we just heard from the vice chair of the committee, congresswoman liz cheneyliction of duty by not calling off the mob, we heard an allegation that a witness, one that we have not seen yet, received a phone call from donald trump. one that the witness did not take and referred to his attorneys or her attorneys. and a suggestion by the vice chair, liz cheney, that this is witness tampering or at least an attempt to witness tamper, and that the justice department might want to consider taking some action. >> no question about it. she ended the hearing with a bang, and to your point, she has, and the committee has been very clear about concerns about witness tampering all along. she said president trump tried to call a witness you have not yet seen, to your point, she's very precise. so this is not someone we have seen either in live or videotaped testimony. i was just able to confirm with a source of the committee the witness alerted their lawyer. the lawyer alerted us. and she very forcefully made the point that the committee is not going to stand for it. >> it