so, you hear reporting from jamie gangel and our jake tapper.you say. but i need to ask, do you believe rick perry was the author of that text message? >> we know who the author was. i am not in a position to -- to give that at this point. but i think it is more important to understand that the white house chief of staff was entertaining text messages, you know, like these about overturning the elections. but for the time being, to protect our investigative work, we aren't going to divulge who that text message came from. >> one of the remarkable things about this text message is that it came the day after the election. i mean, this wasn't on, you know, a month later, two months later. that it sounds like this was already something that had been discussed. this -- this was not the -- i mean, just from the -- the wording of the message, it sounds like this was sort of an ongoing discussion among some people about how to overturn the election results, which, by the way, votes were still being counted at that time. >> yeah. and i think it's importa

let's go straight to cnn's special correspondent jamie gangel who has exclusive reporting for us. tell our viewers what you're learning? >> cnn is learning that mark short, one of former vice president mike pence's closest advisers and former chief of staff is cooperating with the january 6th committee. we learned the committee subpoenaed mark short a few weeks ago, but unlike some other trump officials, he is not fighting the subpoena rmt short's cooperation, wolf, is a significant development because he is a firsthand witness to many critical events. he was with mike pence at the capitol on january 6th. he was also in the oval office on january 4th when former president trump tried to convince pence not to certify the election results. in addition, wolf, our sources say that short's assistance signals a greater openness among pence's inner circle with one source telling me the committee is getting, quote, significant cooperation with team pence, and another source telling me that short's help is an example of the momentum the investigation is having behind the scenes. wolf, i do

>> jamie gangel is with us. last night liz cheney read from texts. texts from her colleagues she did not name names. >> yesterday really the only name she named were those fox hosts and don junior. let me talk about that for a minute. i think she identified those people specifically yesterday because fox news, she is very concerned about disinformation. donald trump jr., it's the president's son. he gets what's happening. but his father is sitting there. so i think it was very specific that she identified those. i think the committee, by the time their work is done, we will know all of these members, who they are. and we're going to hear more and more. but right now, investigators who are familiar with things like this tell me that it's very important to let people know you have their texts, but maybe give them a chance to cooperate. maybe they will show you more. and i think that kind of cooperation may be happening. >> what's interesting is these are texts showing election liars, people who have been lying about january 6th, actually knew what was

let's talk more about this with cnn's special correspondent jamie gangel. my partner in this story as always. pleasure working with you. so what do you think is the significance of this text which was sent the day after election day, before many states had even called who won. >> my understanding is this is -- look, there are a lot of important texts the committee has. this is a very important one because it is november 4th. and aggressive, to use the word in the text, to say the least. imagine the election has not been called. the votes have not been counted. and this text message comes to mark meadows basically laying the groundwork to overturn the election. it is hard to imagine how this comes from rick perry is the longest serving governor of texas, three times. he served for two years as energy secretary in trump's cabinet. how this impacted what happened between november 4th and january 6th is going to be key to the committee's work. >> and it's interesting also because we should note the three states he was calling for, it appeared that he picked the

jamie gangel join mess now. jamie, good evening to you. incredible reporting, once again.don, let's just put it in perspective. it is as you say the day after election day. votes are still being counted. the election has not been called. but trump loyalists apparently don't think he is going to win. so according to our sources, member of the january 6th committee believe that rick perry sends this text to meadows. quote, here is an aggressive strategy. why can't the states of georgia, north carolina, pennsylvania, and other r-controlled statehouses declare this is bs where conflicts and election not called that night and just send their own electors to vote and it have it go to scotus. so, don, for the record, a spokesman for rick perry says the former governor denies sending the text but when my partner jake tapper asked how come it came from perry's phone? the spokesman had no explanation. for the record, we confirmed with multiple people who know rick perry well, who have his number, that is in fact his number. the committee believes it's his number. so, just imagine th

cnn special correspondent, jamie gangel, is part of the team that got this exclusive. he? joins us now. so, jamie talking about the former choof chief of staff, mark short, what have you learned? >> we learned mark short, one of former vice president pence's closest advisers, his former chief of staff is cooperating with the january 6th committee along with my colleagues ryan nobles and mike warren, we have learned that the committee subpoenaed short a few weeks ago. but that unlike some other trump officials, he's not fighting the subpoena. and, anderson, short's cooperation is a significant development because he is, as you say, a firsthand witness to so many critical events. he was with mike pence at the capitol on january 6th. he was also in the oval office on january 4th when former-president trump tried to convince pence not to certify the election results. so, um, all of these things our sources say add up to one thing. short's assistance signals a greater openness among pence's inner circle with one source telling me the committee is getting, quote, significant coop

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jamie gangel joins me now. incredible reporting once again.o important, please. >> don, put it in perspective. it is the day after election day. votes are still being counted. the election has not been called by trump loyalists apparently don't think he's going to win so according to our sources, member of the january 6th committee believed that rick perry sends this text to meadows. quote here is an aggressive str strategy. why can't the states declare this is bs where conflicts and elections not called that night and send their owner electors to vote and have it go to scotus. don, for the record a spokesman for rick perry says the former governor denies sending the text but when my partner on the story jake tapper asked how come it came from perry's phone, the spokesman has no explanation. for the record, we confirmed with multiple people that know rick perry well and have his number, that is in fact his norm. the committee believes it's his number. so just i'm magine this is a te saying ignore the voters, subvert the will of the people. her

jamie gangel joins us with the cnn exclusive.y of these subpoenas? have they gotten hold of these phone records? >> we've been told that a batch went out and a batch has come back. there's another batch out. so we know that they have requested more than 100 and they certainly have gotten a group of those records back. i want to explain what the call detail records are. it is not the substance of the phone calls. it's not a recording. it is not the substance of a text message, but it tells you who called whom, at what time, for how long. who texted another person. so now what they do is they take these call detail records and perhaps they can build a web of communication on the day of january 6th. although the timing goes from my understanding is at least one record we saw that they requested call detail records going back to november 1st, just before the election, through the end of january. >> and you have new reporting on mark meadows. what do you have? >> so this is brand-new just in to cnn. we know that he is now not cooperat

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jamie gangel and legal analyst elliott williams. jamie is ready to go. you have an exclusive every night. i love you for it. thank you for coming on, elliott. bring us exclusives. we'd love it for the show. >> all i can say, don, if you think donald trump was furious about mark meadow's book, get ready. according to the committee, we have learned that among more than 6,000 pages of documents that meadows voluntarily handed over to the committee are messages sent and received during the riot. text. emails. calls. while the events of the erection -- excuse me. after 40 years i can't believe i did that on tv. insurrection was happening. committee member told us the records include quote volumes of material including realtime communication as the riot unfolded. look, don, we don't have the details of who meadows was communicating with that day yet. but we know a lot of people had mark meadow's cell phones. white house officials, rally organizers, trump loyalists, members of congress, so don, everyone should be aware if they were communicating with mark meado

joining me is jamie gangel part of the team that broke the story and senior law enforcement analyst andeat." good evening to both of you. jamie, here we go with another exclusive, i expect nothing less from you. mark short is a key witness from the january 6th insurrection and with pence at the capitol on that day. what are committee members hoping to learn from him? >> so, his cooperation, don, is a zsignificant development because obviously he's a firsthand witness to the events you just mentioned. he was in the room he has receipts with pence at the capitol and also in the oval office on january 4th when former president trump tried to pressure pence not to certify the election results. it is likely that mark short will be able to provide key information about conversations, phone calls, what was going on on january 6th. he may be able to answer two of the questions the comity has. what was donald trump doing at the white house when the riot was going on and my did it take so long to take action, don? >> sources are telling you that there is and i quote here significant cooperation j

joining us cnn special excess spon dent jamie gangel and cnn analyst jeffrey toobin, the author of "truetrump." jamie, you're getting new insight tonight. what are you learning? >> a source tells me this won't just be a vote on contempt, that there are significant new details, that the committee is going to lay out in black and white the substance of these texts. we're going to hear members read exactly what was being said to mark meadows and what he was saying back in realtime on january 6th during the riot. let me give you an example of two that we're aware of from the 51-page document. this is a stekt from a former white house employee to mark meadows, quote, you guys have to say something even if the president is not willing to put out a statement. you should go to the cameras and say we condemn this, please stand down. if you don't, people are going to die. although the committee does not identify who that former white house employee is, reknow who it is from a "washington post" reporters, the book "i alone can fix it." it was alyssa farrah, a former white house communications direc

jamie gangel, cnn, washington. >>> the committee also put rog enstone on the hot seat friday.sition for this recollection of time around the capitol, ryan nobles reports its appearance didn't involve much talking. >> good morning, gentleman. >> reporter: roger stone, one of former president trump's most prominent and controversial supporters met with the january 6th select committee today. >> i am doing my civic duty. and i am responding as required by law to the subpoena. >> reporter: but he didn't say much. >> i did invoke my fifth amendment rights. to ever question. not because i have done anything wrong, but because i am fully aware of the house democrats' long history of fabricating perjury charges. >> reporter: still used the opportunity in his traditional showman style, presenting himself as a martyr for the maga cause. with well-worn accusations and not much substance. >> this is witch hunt 3.0. >> reporter: stone was among several high-profile right-wing personalities who stoked false election fraud claims and a fervor among trump supporters. >> help us pay for the st

on the other hand, you have mark short who is cooperating and jamie gangel is reporting he might be able to share texts that he exchanged with other white house officials. where does this lead in your investigation? >> i think the trump strategy is the same as it often is. it's to delay in the hope of -- delay equal defeat for the other side and to outweigh the investigators and this committee is being thorough and simatic and aggressive but faces the limitations of the clock and the trial for steve bannon's contempt by a trump judge, the date was not set until july so certainly someone like mark meadows think they can out weight this. you look at this and say i mean, i think the conclusion has to be that whatever the committee can do, where is the criminal invest investigation? in the watergate 1974 the supreme court, i'm not the lawyer but the supreme court clearly indicated executive privilege is not an absolute defense in a criminal investigation there is no time clock on that and certainly this administration will be here until 2024. as the months go on no matter what the committee

joining me is jamie gangel part of the team that broke the story and senior law enforcement analyst andr fbi deputy director andrew mccabe, author of "the threat." good evening to both of you. jamie, here we go with another exclusive, i expect nothing less from you. mark short is a key witness from the january 6th insurrection and with pence at the capitol on that day. what are committee members hoping to learn from him? >> so, his cooperation, don, is a significant development because obviously he's a firsthand witness to the events you just mentioned. he was in the room he has receipts with pence at the capitol and also in the oval office on january 4th when former president trump tried to pressure pence not to certify the election results. it is likely that mark short will be able to provide key information about conversations, phone calls, what was going on on january 6th. he may be able to answer two of the questions the comity has. what was donald trump doing at the white house when the riot was going on and why did it take so long to take action, don? >> sources are telling you t

cnn special correspondent, jamie gangel, is part of the team that got this exclusive. ned that marc short, one of former vice president mike pence's closer advisers, his former chief of staff is cooperating with the january 6 committee. along with my colleagues ryan

a lot to discuss with dana bash, jamie gangel, david gergen and elliott williams. let's talk about meadows. he once served in the house of representatives. he was sort of well liked, not only by republicans, but democrats as well. how significant is it that he's about to face these criminal contempt charges? >> it's historic. it really is. this is not where mark meadows wanted to be. he started cooperating because he really did not want criminal contempt. he opened the door. he handed over these documents without privilege and i think it is fair to say donald trump was not happy. he did not want anyone in his inner circle testifying, certainly not his former chief of staff. i think meadows got scared. he withdrew, he stopped cooperating, and now he finds himself in the situation he did not want to be in and a historic one for a former member of congress and chief of staff. >> it's interesting, dana, because the committee in their public statements last night and today laying out a lot more details right now. what are you specifically looking for as you watch the re

cnn's special correspondent jamie gangel has working her sources. what are you learn? perry sent the following text to then chief of staff mark meadows on november 4th. this was the day after the ele election, as you point out, but most important, before all the votes were counted and the election called. here's the text, quote -- here's an aggressive strategy. why can't the states of georgia, north carolina, pennsylvania and other r-republican control state houses declare this is bs, where conflicts and election not called that night, and just send their own electors to vote and have it go to the scotus. the supreme court. the former governor denies the text, but when asked how it came from perry's phone, the spokesman had no explanation. for the record, jake and i have confirmed with multiple people who know perry, have his phone number, that that is in fact his number. let's talk about the significance of the text. just major it's right after elen take, here comes this text to mark meadows, this is a strategy to overturn the election, don't wait until the votes are

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cnn's jamie gangel has this reporting.he conversations and the number of conversations on that day, january 6th, this is a remarkable trove they already have. what do we know about it? >> 100%. and let's make clear that mark meadows has already handed over, voluntarily, with no claim of privilege at all, what a source has described as more than 6,000 pages of documents. and in those documents, we're told, are text messages, and emails from his personal cell phone, and personal email account. the source told me, quote, that meadows was exchanging emails and texts with a wide range of individuals, while the attack was under way. let's just make clear what we understand from the committee is that these exchanges include people saying why doesn't president trump make some kind of statement to stop the attack on the capitol? so the committee knows in real time from these exchanges, it seems, very specific information about who is talking to mark meadows, and what he was saying back to them. >> and all of that -- go ahead, jim.

ge gloria borger is here and jamie gangel. we see these desperate text messages from donald trump junior and from numerous fox news hosts. we know mark meadows was with donald trump during the insurrection and we knew trump did next to nothing. >> right. so today was a very bad day for donald trump because what these text messages did was told the truth out of the mouths of trump loyalists and friends from his chief of staff who is sitting right there with him, republican members of congress, fox news hosts, trump administration officials and as you pointed out, his very own son. they all acknowledge what was happening. anyone who then or now denied the january 6th happened, it's over, don and today was just the tip of the iceberg. the committee i'm told by a source familiar with the text that there are hundreds of texts that are quote relevant and of interest to the committee along these lines. >> yeah, gloria, i think jamie is right. there is no -- i mean, obviously, here is the evidence. i play gloria the congresswoman liz

. >> jamie gangel, thank you. >> joining us now is jennifer rogers, a legal analyst, and former federalto jamie's reporting about the text messages and e-mails that meadows was apparently exchanging during the attack. >> it's fascinating, ana, because we know that he actually held back thousands of e-mails and texts claiming privileges even at that time, so the fact that these are what he decided to release and that they are so interesting and explosive to the committee makes me want to say i hope the committee is actually able to get ahold of what he decided not to turn over because that's likely to be even more inculpatory for him and the president. >> mark meadows is suing the committee to block enforcement of the subpoena that they issued him for sis deposition, and potentially other information as well as the one issued for his phone records. listen to his explanation on fox last night. >> obviously congress is going to do what they already intended to do, which is hold me in contempt. the fact is that we have been trying for weeks and weeks to make accommodations, to share non-pri

david, cnn's jamie gangel reports the communications director alyssa farrah that she texted meadows during the attack urging someone from the white house to go to a camera and tell the rioters to stand down. she warned if they didn't, people are going to die and, of course, she was right. >> yeah, she was right, and i think that was a moment in time, depending on who you were and where you were in the administration or people in the trump orbit of choosing whether you were going to just sort of sit back passively and watch events unfold on january 6th as we all did. or if you were going to try to despite where you had been moments before, to restore order and restore democracy and do your job as an official or as someone in the inner orbit of the president. >> and brendan, you've known mark meadows for a long time from when you worked in the house of representatives and he was a congressman from north carolina. the more evidence that comes out about what meadows knew and did and didn't do, all there in black and white. one would think that would make more house republicans who have support

a source is telling jamie gangel that the committee is getting significant cooperation from pence's team. is the committee taking advantage of a rift here? it's kind of similar to what charlie just answered. >> exactly. that's exactly what i would do, looking at this from a prosecutorial angle or an investigative angle. that's what you have to do. you have to look at really two questions. does the person have access? and when you look at marc short, he was literally in the room on key occasions. the second thing is what's the motivation here? where does the loyalty sit? clearly marc short and other people around mike pence, their loyalty is to mike pence, and it seems at least some of them, the loyalty is to telling the true story of what happened as opposed to the true diehard maga types who are going to go down in flames to protect donald trump. there's a key distinction and the think the committee is right to focus on that and try and get whatever information they can out of that rift. >> charlie -- i almost called you marc, charlie. >> i got more hair. >> good one. do you think short

jamie gangel is out front. she is breaking all of this. tty incredible so let's start with your new reporting. what is included in what meadows did hand over? the roughly 6,000 pages of documents, what is in there as far as you know? >> so let's remember, this was voluntary. no claim of privilege. we are told by the committee that in those documents, meadows has handed over include messages sent and received during the riot, texts, e-mails, calls while the events of the insurrection were actually going on on january 6th. committee member zoe lofgren told us earlier today the records include, quote, volumes of material, including real-time communication. so, look, erin, we don't know yet the details of who meadows was communicating with that day. but we do know a lot of people had meadows' cell phone. so, think about it. white house officials, rally -- rally organizers, trump loyalists, members of congress. all should be aware that if they were communicating with meadows, texting, e-mailing on january 6th, the committee may already have thos

cnn special correspondent, jamie gangel, is part of the team that got this exclusive. he? ned mark short, one of former vice president pence's closest advisers, his former chief of staff is coop

jamie gangel is reporting he might be able to share texts he exchanged with other white house officials around january 6th. so where does this all lead the investigation in your estimation? >> well, look, ultimately i think the trump strategy is the same as it often is, and kim pointed to it. it's to delay in the hope of -- you know, delay equals defeat for the other side and to outwait the investigators. and this committee is being thorough and dogged and systematic and aggressive, but it does face the limitations of the clock and of, you know, we saw today that the trial for steve bannon's contempt by a trump judge, the date was not set until july. so certainly someone like mark meadows and, you know, when you factor in appeals and so forth, are thinking they can outwait this. you look at all of this, and you say -- i mean, i think the conclusion has to be that whatever the committee can do, where is the criminal investigation? i mean in the watergate decision, u.s. versus nixon in 1974, the supreme court -- i'm not the lawyer here, but the supreme court pretty clearly indicated that

this is exclusive reporting from jake tapper and jamie gangel and what is so interesting is the sourcentation that the select committee put on in the terms of their criminal contempt referral of mark meadows. now originally, they made it seem ooze though it was a member of the house who sent this text message. it turns out, it was rick perry, the former governor of texas and the former energy secretary in the trump administration. at least the select committee believes it was sent from rick perry's phone. this was the text message as a refresher. he said, quote, here is an aggressive strategy. why can't the states of georgia, north carolina, pennsylvania, and other r-controlled statehouses declare this is bs? conflicts in elections not called that night and just send their own electors to vote and have it go to the scotus. now, perry denies that he wrote this text. but they can't explain why it came from a phone number that is clearly his phone number. and -- and, erin, it does speak to a broader sense here of just how far and deep this idea of overturning the election and election fra

jamie gangel reports today with the january 6th house select committee investigating the insurrection, mark meadows is suing and he's not going to cooperate, but he's already turned over all this information, including texts and emails and stuff from his personal account. and jamie says it includes, you know, conversations of people he was talking to, in and out of government. contemporaneous to the insurrection itself. that could be plretty revealing >> it is not just what happened on january 6th. it is what happened leading up to that. mark meadows as those of us who covered the white house at the time know was in conversation with justice department officials, having conversations with state election officials about this, and we know that was a big effort by the former president to target people in georgia and ask them why they weren't finding votes with him, i think the timing of mark meadows and suing january -- the january 6th committee, suing house speaker pelosi comes as his book comes out, it has an unflattering portrayal of the president when he got sick with the coronavirus

three sources tell me and cnn's jamie gangel that the jikt committee believes that former texas governort that text. perry denies it even though cnn confirmed the texts did come from perry's phone number. joining me one of only two republicans on the january 6th house select committee congressman adam kinzinger, republican of illinois. thanks for joining us. i know you can't confirm or deny that that text came from rick perry's phone but is the committee planning on bringing perry in before the committee to answer questions? >> well, i think if we do that, if we decide he's somebody we want to talk to, that he can provide information that one of the 300 other witnesses we've interviewed so far haven't. i think certainly that would be on the table, but here's an interesting thing regardless of where that text came from because i can't confirm or deny thinking you look at no matter all the numbers of texts that are coming out or what people have been saying you get a peek into the window of their world. didn't seem like a lot were saying let's figure out who got the most votes and declare

jamie gangel talked about two men fierce rivals came to understand each other and move on. a senator from north carolina at senator dole's side. presidential candidate herself briefly later in life as well. fiercely loyal to him. a power couple, very power informal washington, but sad to see her and robin dole obviously behind. very private, not a very public person, rarely would to g out on the campaign trail. when she did, she had great stories. >>> we'll be hearing from her shortly. she'll be making a presentation with some thoughts about her dad, as well. gloria, we're about to pause and watch all of this unfold, but you spent a lot of quality time with this great man. >> i think he would be honored to have so many leaders of the body in which he served appearing here today, so many members of congress. i think he would love it that bill clinton was there, the man who beat him, and man he became friends with. >> yeah. very moving. all right. let's watch. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [ bells tolling ] [ bells tolling ] [ bells tolling ] >>> i am resurrection and i am light, says the lo