ambassador to ukraine plus former congresswoman jane harman who now heads up the wilson center.senator bob menendez of new jersey chairs the committee. >> good morning. the hearing on the senate foreign relations committee will come to order. i want to welcome our panel is and thank them for taking the time to share their perspectives with the committee on developments in the ukraine which appear only slightly less honest than they did in the act i have this crisis and now we are in the beginning of act ii a successful election of a president by the ukrainian people and internationally certified election which is a major victory for ukraine struggle for freedom. past elections and in ukraine have exhibited stark divisions between east and west significantly president-elect pershing company one districts from one end of ukraine to the other. seems clear the events of the past year and russia's violation of their sovereignty unified ukrainians as never before. while it is clear that president pershing company has a mandate the challenges he confronts her daunting. he must rebuild

i'm jane harman, president and ceo of the wilson center. and as i was a, a recovering politician. it is not a 12 step program but i'm very happy and fortunate to be in this role. i do want to recognize u.s. ambassador to egypt robert beecroft. i think he is here. there he is. welcome, sir. and to underscore the title of today's event which is mutual security on hold? russia, the west and european security architecture. this conversation could not, at a more important time with events in ukraine looming large on the global agenda. i was thinking about it earlier and i suppose one piece of good news about the assault of the isis extremist organization in iraq is that rush is distracted. what is russia distracted by? ukraine. and the disintegrating relations with europe, it's disintegrating relations with europe and the u.s. the downing of a military transport plane in east ukraine on saturday has greater outrage in key of, the russian fantasy their was substantially damaged by an angry mob. fortunately, the event was defused by the foreign minister of ukraine, although comment he ma

jane harman will be giving introductory remarks in a moment. petro poroshenko says he'll seek this week to produce a peace plan including a cease-fire with separatist rebels in the east. he said a cease-fire will be proposed as the beginning of implementation of the president's peace plan. >>> good morning, everyone. find seats? okay. good morning. i'm jane harman, the president and ceo of the wilson center. and as i always say, a recovering politician. it is not a 12-step program, but i'm very happy and fortunate to be in this role. i do want to recognize u.s. ambassador to egypt robert becroft. i think he is here. there he is. welcome, sir. and to underscore the title of today's event which is mutual security on hold? russia, the west and european security architecture. this conversation could not come at a more important time with events in ukraine looming large on the global agenda. i was thinking about it earlier. i suppose one piece of good news about the assault of the isis extremist organization in iraq is that russia is distracted. wha

next, congresswoman jane harman and former nsa director keith alexander take art >> thank you very much. from "the newger york times." it is a great pleasure to be here. today will be about financial intelligence. it flows very nicely from what you heard from stewart and the first panel. we have a great panel of experts here. to my immediate left, you're right, michele flournoy, the secretary of policy at the pentagon for -- how many years? 3? seems to have plunged back in. jane harman,, who of course served in congress and a number of different intelligence committees along the way and now runs -- and general keith alexander, who just left -- eight years? is it eight years at nsa. the last year was a doozy. [laughter] leave theirtry to last year at their job quietly, but general alexander decided that would be too boring. so, my hope today is to pick up from where the panels were, talk a little bit about the role of intelligence in some of these individual cases, and then look forward to where these tools are going, how they've been affected by some of the recent disclosures, but also

harman, able jane former colleague of mine in the house. we welcome her back to the committee. we also have former ambassador pfeiffer, whoven is now with the brookings institution. our third panelist is former assistant to the panelist -- to nowpresident james jeffrey, the distinguished visiting fellow of the washington institute. next is mark green, former ambassador to canton neah and member of the house of representatives. someone who is no stranger to the committee. let me welcome you all to the committee. i will advise you that all of your full statement will be included in the record. without objection, we ask you to summarize in about five minutes or so, and we will proceed in the order in which i introduced you. you are first. >> thank you, mr. chairman, and thank you, ranking member corker. both of you are dear friends of mine and former colleagues. also friends of the wilson center, and i appreciate being invited. everyone on the lineup is a close friend, and i was very proud to be a member of the ndi delegation in ukraine a week and a half ago. it is the eighth elec

jane harman gives introductory remarks. >> good morning. i'm jane harman, president and ceo of the wilson center and as i always say, a recovering politician. it is not a 12-step program. but i'm very happy and fortunate to be in this role. i do want to recognize u.s. ambassador to egypt robert bekroft. i think he is here. welcome, sir. and to underscore the title of today's event, which is, "mutual security on hold? russia, the west and european security architecture." this conversation could not come at a more important time with the events in ukraine looming large on the global agenda. i was thinking about it earlier, and i suppose one piece of good news about the assault of the isis extremist organization in iraq is that russia is distracted. what is russia distracted by? ukraine. and the disintegrating relations with europe, its disintegrating relations with europe and the u.s. a downing of a military transport plane in east ukraine on saturday created outrage in kiev. the russian embassy there was substantially damaged by an angry mob

that was jane harman speaking a little earlier about how that crisis in ukraine might be resolved. you are watching bbc world news to america. still to come on tonight's program, thousands gather in hong kong to remember those who died in tiananmen square. a remembrance, 25 years on. the mayor of venice is among 35 officials who have been arrested over corruption allegations. accused of embezzling money meant for the multibillion-dollar defense system, they are let's of taking away $33 million. adam johnson reports from rome. -- venice at its magnificent best, but this beautiful city is in trouble. it has gradually sunk deeper into debt and now floods come more and more frequently. save venicelan to from the sea. flood barriers are being built and the mayor blessed the project when it was tested for the first time. it's certainly a very important and emotional moment. it would change the vision we have of the city and its lagoon. the mayor himself has now been arrested, accused of corruption in connection with the scheme. war than 30 people have been detained out together and 100 m

ambassador to ukraine, plus former congresswoman jane harman that heads up the wilson center. senator bob menendez of new jersey chairs the committee. >> good morning. a hearing on the senate foreign relations committee will come to order. i want to welcome the end of the queue for taking the time to share the perspective of the committee on the development in ukraine which appear only slightly less than they did in act i of the crisis. now we are beginning the act number two of the successful election of a president by the ukrainian people and internationally certified election which is a major victory for the struggle for freedom. past elections have exhibited stark divisions between east and west, significantly the president elect won the district from one end of ukraine to the other. it seems clear that the events of the past year and russia's violation of their sovereignty unified them as never before. while it is clear that the president has a mandate, the challenges that he confrontchals are daunting. we must rebuild the economy weakened by the previous corruption while

both jane harman and zbigniew brzezinski were participating once again after many previous sessions at the munich security conference earlier this year, and i remember that you, zbig, participated in a session on ukraine at a moment when many of us were still considering .kraine a problem of ukrainians of course, now it has become a problem of not only european, but global dimensions, and he will talk or about that. so thank you for allowing me just to make a few brief remarks. i want to sort of present to you this book. hall, a outside in the few copies of it, and there is also a sheet where, if you want a copy, you can order a copy from a u.s. distribution company. if i may say,, very modestly, a really good book. i know a very few -- of very few other collections of essays that offer such a comprehensive overview of foreign policy and global affairs. bookve in this contributions from -- and i will just give you a few names -- npov, chuckva hagel, john kerry, helmut schmidt, senator mccain, sam hoagland,nye, jim nato secretary-general rasmussen, but also bildt,ricans like karl and mo

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columnist george will, and director of the woodrow wilson center and former democratic congresswoman, jane harman. brit, i want to pick up on my conversation with congressman chairman rogers. president obama is pressuring maliki to form a unity government but on the other hand as we've been discussing, maliki seems to be doubling down on a shia base both reaching out to the grand eye toe ayatollah sis. how do you reconcile the two? >> i don't think you can and i don't think the objective the president set forth while it would be very nice can come about in time to save the increasingly dire military situation inside iraq. it may be that the city of baghdad won't fall, but it is clear that much of iraq already has fallen and is in the hands of the most brutal kind of terrorist organization you can imagine. so the situation in iraq that the president described in the sound bite that you played before we started here is now gone, forfeited, in my view, by this administration, and by iraqi president maliki, who is, you know, a very ineffective and i think weak leader who has made a multitude of mista

i'm joined by jane harman from california, now president and ceo of the woodrow wilson internationaler, newt gingrich, former republican speaker of the house between '95 and '99 who ran for president in 2012. rana far hoo har, assisting managing editor at "time" and our own political director chuck todd. i want to talk about ed woor snowden. it's been such an interesting conversation for the country. and we wanted to know just about how his own words speaking to the public might have changed views, and, chuck, you did some new polling around this to gauge people's attitudes. let's look at some of the findings that you put together. >> yeah, let's do. new polling we conducted before and after snowden's interview that we are revealing for 9 first time here shows at least for now his appearance does not seem to have changed many minds. more americans disagree with snowden's decision to leak nsa documents than agree. that number essentially unchanged from a january 2014 nbc news/"wall street journal" poll. when it comes to snowden himself, 27% of those surveyed have an unfavorable opinio

jane harman, director and president of the wilson center, discussed edward snowden and cyber legislation. here is more. >>. with edward snowden. i thought his interview the other night was extremely revealing. his incredible, personal arrogance and misguided approach to all this, there is no real evidence. it would have been nice if the nsa had been able to put out this e-mail chain, this pathetic little e-mail chain earlier, but at any rate, it is out. his actions moving first to china and in russia, whatever they may turn out to be, claiming that none of his material was exploited passes the laugh test. i keep cringing every time somebody talks about the balance between security and liberty. i think we either protect civil liberty and security at the same time are we have neither of those things. as we think forward to what we should do in this country and how we should collaborate with others, we need to keep that in mind.3 the cyber legislation that congress is not passing has to include a requirement for the private sector to share and then indemnification to the private sector if t

jane harman who of course served in congress, and served a number of different intelligence committees along the way. and now runs the wilson center. and general keith alexander, who just left eight years, is it eight years at nsa? the last year was a doozy. some people try to leave the last year of their job quietly. but general alexander decided that would be too boring. so, my hope today is to pick up from where the panels were, talk a little bit about the role of intelligence in some of these individual cases, and then look forward to where these tools are going, how they've been affected by some of the recent disclosures, but also begin to talk about what kind of utility they could have that we haven't thought of yet, that, you know, where this may be -- where this may be headed. i thought that one place to start might be with the question of what's worked, and what hasn't. something that you heard tom donilon and steve hadley take up, and mr. donilon made the point that, for example, we've been much more successful in the sanctions implementation in iran than we have in north kor