also joining us is our friend jay michaelson, rabbi, reporter, you name it, he does it. it time for panic? >> well, you know, i also do meditation so i'd say it's never a good time to panic. but this is fake crisis. "the new york times" just did a really nice statistical analysis of what's actually still on the table, and it's a sliver of federal spending. this is just using the debt ceiling to accomplish policy goals. the republicans don't the white house, so they're using this as a tool to push through policy goals. >> wait a minute, i thought they do want to tighten the bolt. >> tighten the belt on 20% of nondiscretionary spending. not touching defense because that's also a third rail and something republicans believe in. so we're talking about a part of a part of a part of the budget that just so happens to align with policy goals. so policy debate that's what should be happening. that's what politicians do, right, but to use as john just said, to use this as a bargaining chip is the height of irresponsibility. >> why do republicans only find religion on the deficit

jay michaelson is back, and law enforcement superhero john miller stays on. >> wow, i got promoted. >ot all heroes wear capes. so elie, 16 records, are those emails? what are those? >> so we don't know exactly what they are. we know there are 16 documents that could be multiple pages. here's what's most important about this story. it goes to donald trump's intent. what did he know? did he know what he was doing is wrong. you may say of course obviously, but you have to prove it as a prosecutor. what this proves is that the white house was formally told 16 times during trump's presidency, hey f yif you're going to declassify records, this is how you do it. he did not do any of those things. there's no record he did any of that regarding the mar-a-lago documents, hence he knew they were classified. >> so are you extrapolating that these are from the national archives, a correspondence of some kind with the trump white house? >> yes, i'm not extrapolating. i know that. these are letters that the archives sent over to the trump white house while trump was in office saying you all have the

candidate, joe pinion and rabbi, rolling stone writer and former law clerk for merrick garland, jay michaelson. great to have all of you here. i barely know where to begin with the supreme court. there are so many things that have just been degreeisclosed a revealed that are ethics problems. let's start with harlan crow who we know has already bankrolled clarence thomas's trips for 20 years, but now we know that he has also bank rolled clarence thomas's nephew. so clarence thomas has raised his nephew from the time i think the boy was 6 basically acting as his father, and he sent him to a private boarding school, and that boarding school costs about $54,000 a year, maybe $60,000 a year. and it turns out that harlan crow has been paying at least for it appears two years of that boy's tuition, and clarence thomas, senator, never disclosed that. what are we to make of this? >> well, i think that clarence thomas has a problem, which is he doesn't report income he's getting from people or twho are trying to buy influence with him. leonard leo is one of the architects of the conservative court. >> a