his name is jeff timmer. he's a longtime michigan republican. he's a former republican member of the board of state canvassers in michigan. that's the group of four people who will be charged with certifying michigan's election results on monday. he used to be one of the two republican members of that board. that board has two republicans and two democrats. mr. timmer used to be one of those republican members. now, mr. timmer has since become an independent. he is a strong critic of president trump now. he's a senior adviser to the lincoln project. he's a co-founder of republicans and independents for biden. but he's watching this closely, and he's sort of sending up a warning flag for all of us. today he said this as a warning about what's going on in his home state with these efforts to throw out the election results. he said, quote, be alarmed, america. serious games are afoot in michigan. joining us now is jeff timmer. he's a senior adviser to the lincoln project. he served as one of the two republicans on michigan's board of canvassers fro

joining us now is jeff timmer, senior adviser to the lincoln project. he served as one of the two republicans on michigan's board of canvassers from 2009 to 2012. mr. timmer, i'm really pleased to have you with us today. thank you so much for your time. >> i'm glad to be here. i wish it was under different circumstances. i've never seen anything so crazy and so corrupt at the same time. >> yeah. well, it's -- i'm trying to get a handle on how dangerous it is. i was struck by you calling these serious games in michigan. it made me wonder if i -- i spent a long time talking with my staff today about this. should we see this as a game that we should worry too much about and we shouldn't sort of breathe life into by covering this as a serious thing? or is this serious enough that this could potentially be a real way that they're going to try to effectively delete this election? >> luckily, we have clowns running the show. i mean, they could -- if they had chimps going into court, they'd do better than what giuliani and team is doing, and they'd be more fun t

conversation i had on the show last night with a former republican official in michigan, a man named jeff timmer, who has in a previous life been one of the two republicans on that state canvassing board. and he told me last night that he has no confidence either in those republican legislative leaders who went to the white house today or in the republicans on the board of canvassers in terms of their likelihood of standing up to pressure from the president, defending michigan's election from pressure from him. it was worrying to hear that from somebody who used to be a big deal in michigan republican politics, somebody who knows the people involved here. i just have to ask if you share that concern that this might come down to sort of personal integrity and patriotism and that that may be a worry here. >> i absolutely have that concern. but, you know, as you said, the legislature does not have a role in this process. and if something were to happen monday night and they didn't certify the votes, the courts will step in, as they have in the past when there's been some deadlocked votes on citizen

. >> jeff timmer. i will be very brief, given the extensive testimony and answers we have already heard from the two previous speakers. i have served on this board from 2009 to 2012. i served with two of the members sitting here before us today. i know they know their duty very well. if the board has all the required returns, it has no discretion. it has none. it has zero. the board must certify the results today. it is mandatory. some have commented that today's meeting has heightened political impact. it does not. rather, it is a routine, ministerial function being performed here today, the same regular and predictable function that happens after every election. joe biden won michigan by a margin of 154 thousand votes, a margin 15 times greater than the margin this board certified without fanfare four years ago. this election was not close. neither was gary peters defeat of john james. whether the margin is one-vote or one million votes is irrelevant to the legal obligations this board must fulfill t

. >> jeff timmer. brief, given the extensive testimony and answers we have already heard from the two previous speakers. frome served on this board 2009 2 2012. i served with two of the members sitting here before us today. i know they know their duty very well. if the board has all the required returns, it has no discretion. it has none. it has zero. the board must certify the results today. it is mandatory. james. is one orr the margin one million votes is irrelevant to the legal obligations this board must hold to today. do your mandatory duty and certify michigan's election results. >> any questions? >> i have a couple of questions. i want to be repetitive to what i asked mr. thomas. given your extensive experience on the board, it is important to talk to you and clarify the board's role for members of the public. i agree with you. it is all about the returns here, what we received from the county. any legalare of authority, any authority in law for us to go beyond those returns and review anything