and jeffrey thomas?we need the release of that factual report straight away through icao. >> jeff wise? >> first of all, the families need to be told what their right are. the malaysians haven't even told them yet. >> yeah. thank you, guys. appreciate all of you again this evening. i'm don lemon. thank you very much for watching. that's it for us tonight. "ac 360" start right now. >>> good evening, there's breaking news tonight. growing doubt about what has seemed to be an encouraging discovery. a piece of metallic debris that washed occupy a western australia beach. one of several new developments in the investigation that we'll address tonight. >>> also in the hour ahead, as the search for the missing in the south korean ferry continues, a remarkable story of the ferry crew member who did not abandon ship. this is her. she stayed and saved dozens of young lives while sacrificing her own. >>> and later, only on "360," a report that we think is truly outrageous. what our exclusive investigation reveals a

jeffrey toobin, our legal analyst, still with us. i'm told tomorrow adam silver will have a conference call with the advisory finance committee of the nba. that's nine owners. there are 30 owners altogether. to begin the process of trying to force donald sterling to sell, to sell the clippers. in the end, they need three-fourths, 23 owners, to vote yes. is there any doubt they'll get to that 23 number? >> i mean, there's always doubt. you're going to have a process where they notify him, he has five days to respond, then within ten days, they have to have this meeting. donald sterling is going to get the chance to be in a room with 29 other owners. many of whom he's been friendly with. all kinds of things for nearly 30 years. he's going to get to meet his case directly to them. one of the things i would imagine he would say is, look, this could be you next. mark cuban, the dallas mavericks, words, a slippery slope. think about the process. this isn't an okay process. one thing that's come out recently that's sort of interesting, you

jeffrey really took it from. and the sense of the spiritual place of man and that is what we are really talking about. when we are talking about anything, it is a matter of cost and benefits. here, the costs would seem to be extra nearly high. it seems to me there are two. 1 is the one on the left and many of us have fallen into the affluent category. and there are people on the right to are actually just scrabbling along, trying to survive. it actually makes a difference some of these things because they solve very real problems. let's talk about some of the possibilities here. cotton. oh, my god, that is horrible. you better really be careful about sprays on organic foods. pesticide use by about 40%. that is an abstraction for us. really, is that something that is important? but if you are one of these located to those around with a shotgun on his back all day long spreading pesticides in the field so he is swimming in the stuff. and not using as much of that is a bigger. i don't see a problem with that. banana

. >> jeffrey thomas with us, airlineraters.com. we love having jeffrey. jeffrey is in perth. considering the new information, does this change the search plan? >> look, indeed, i agree, absolutely we should absolutely verify this one way or another. i mean, this is another bizarre twist in what is without doubt the most bizarre airplane disappearance in history. and we would absolutely have to verify this and it may well be that the chinese have found the most extraordinary way of finding a needle in a haystack. >> les, you know, should we be listening for two pingers, not, you know, not one since both flight recorders are equipped with pingers? would it be the one tick, tick, tick? >> the assumption is they're both together. that probably is not the case. may be the case the battery on one has been diminished to the point that it can't be heard, or damaged. >> before the show, we were sitting here as we were about to go on. you know, jeffrey, if you want to weigh in on this. you said it was extraordinary. or even david. richard and i were sitting here saying this is the most

but jeffrey smith knows the truth. here is an editorial in "science magazine," the magazine of the aaa out. it just wrote a report about setting up for gmo's. these are people who have extraordinary reputations the president emeritus of the world society, a paper have no ax to grind, their careers are made. there not in the pockets of the big several industrial groups that are developing these things. and here's jeffrey smith. there is a picture of him supposedly flying. he is probably hopping. if you can actually do that, that would be a great demonstration. but advanced meditators. zero medical training. yet he pretends to go around and talk to medical groups so they are listening to him. he runs an anti-gmo cottage industry and believe me they are profiting from this controversy. it is not these other people. it is the group of gmo activists that are benefiting from this. ran for congress under the natural law party. yogi fires, which i think he qualified with lower nationwide stress and improve legible and make the

why did this happen. >> jeffrey in perth now. it's good to have you here. know what we can expect to hear from this news conference? perth 1234? >> don, look, we haven't had any word whatsoever. we've had the first announcement that there's been no acoustic events in the last 24 hours. and about an hour or so later, we got advice that angus houston is going to address the media at 12:00, which is about just a bit over an hour or so to go. and so there has been no indication whatsoever even off record about what he may or may not say. possibly there might be some news from hms echo, the british ocean graphic ship that's doing echo sounds of the area. although possibly they're going to say it's time for the blue fin 21. at this stage, we don't have any indication at all. >> all right, jeffrey thomas, thank you very much. everyone stick around. again, we're waiting for a news conference from the head of this search coming up at midnight eastern time. just about 40 minutes, we'll bring it to you live here on cnn. coming up, a shooting rampage near kansas city.

via web cam there, jeffrey thomas, the editor in chief of airlines deposit ratings.com. thanks very much of your time. another official analyst or voice saying a lot of confidence mh-370 is in location. >> and a very important point that jeffrey thomas brought up there as well, is that, you know, why? why do these batteries only last for 30 day? we've seen in the past there that there's a necessity for them to last longer. and if they had picked that up, this would have been a different story. >> we are going to take a short break right now. you're watching the special coverage of the search. but sick around, when we come back, we'll take you live to beijing. we'll have a report on how the families are reacting to these latest developments. abe! get in! punch it! [ male announcer ] let quicken loans help you save your money with a mortgage that's engineered to amaze. sunny or bubbly? cozy or cool? "meow" or "woof"? wheels or wheeeels? everything exactly the way you want it ...until boom, it's bedtime. your mattress isn't bliss: it's a battleground of thwarted desire. ent

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and also jeffrey toobin, our senior legal analyst.ckly, jeffrey, what legally can the commissioner do? >> he can pretty much do anything he wants, short of making sterling sell the team. he can fine him, he can suspend him. selling the team is something all the commissioners -- all the owners can do together. but adam silver can't do it by himself. but he has a lot of leeway to decide what to do today. >> how significant is this moment? give me some perspective, nba history right now. not just nba, but sports history in america. >> well, if you go back in time, obviously, you know, you look at the history, and the trail blazing that a lot of our retired players have blazed that trail, some who aren't with us anymore, but some who still tell those stories, you know that sports has come a long way. obviously this takes us a step back. but awareness is always good. but i think historically, as you look at the game, and how global it's become, and how diverse it is, with european players, players from a lot of different countries playing

joining us, our senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin and laurie borger.ve action on college campuses? >> well, it's the end of it in michigan. we'll see about the rest of the country, because, you know, the university of michigan said, we want to have affirmative action. we want to have race be one factor in admissions, but the voters of michigan voted that policy down. they said we don't want any affirmative action, 58% of the voters in michigan in a referendum said get rid of affirmative action. the supreme court said the voters had a right to do it. so, this could be a road map for other states, voters, state legislators, that want to get rid of affirmative action because now the supreme court is giving it the okay. >> it was a 6-2 decision, alanna kagan refusing herself, but what are the political implications of this? >> as jeffrey just said, it could -- on a larger stage, i think this puts the issue of race front and center again as we head into 2014, as we head into 2016. you look at this supreme court, you look at what it did with the voting right

one of our guests, jeffrey thomas said the search was 20 miles by 20 miles.ea, you don't believe 20 miles -- >> that is 400 square miles. and it is a big area. and on the titanic that was the size of the area and it took two months before they found the titanic. >> yeah, michael kay, though, we spoke to a family member earlier who said he wanted more information from inmarsat. more information from boeing. the families many don't believe, as well. obviously, this is the worse case scenario for the family that it is actually in the bottom of the ocean somewhere. but they're still not believing this information and they don't trust the investigators. >> yeah, i don't think the mistrust, don, is coming from inmarsat or the analysts, i think the mistrust is coming from the malaysian government. and i don't think the answer to their worries is going straight to the inmarsat analysts in trying to conduct the investigation themselves. i obviously sense their frustration, and this is just a completely punishing time for them. but patience, i think, hopefully will pla

jeffrey is also from south africa and is a major scholar in the u.k.. i thought i would start by about them to speculate the degree to which it matters that they are international human rights as opposed to domestic constitutional rights. in the united states, we have a constitution. we don't talk much about international human rights. in south africa, they adopted a constitution that expressly borrows from the international covenant on civil and political rights. and in the u.k., they are little bit behind the times and still don't have a written constitution. but they adopted the human rights act and the european convention on human rights and made a judicially enforceable in their own courts. the question that was much discussed in the prior panel in particular was about whether rights should be differently defined for those within the domestic community. citizens or whether they should be predicated. we will go down the panel and the extent to which it matters that we have a domestic rights , particularly with respect to foreign nationals. matters t

i want to bring and jeffrey thomas. also a safety analyst, david soucie. angus houston said they had some data that arrived only recently. did it sound to you they add new information and new line analysis on this old data? >> it does. like the other experts on the panel, great confidence in what we had. it was very measured, it was of beet and from what i am hearing, they are getting new data, being refined. and there seems to be an air of confidence that it is a big notion but we're getting closer and closer to where the airplane might be. >> i'm interested, you keep saying it is a real milestone in the investigation. specifically what bank is used in said to make you be so optimistic. >> you talk about the planning

jeffrey wagner was blown up in afghanistan.irlifted to walter reed where he was given incredible doses of narcotic painkillers to ease his pain because he of him physically wounded. by the time him largely physically recovered from the wounds of the explosion that he survived, he had become an addict. so the army sent him, as we heard in the clip, to the v.a. to a detox unit to get clean. but now we see the problem continues at the v.a. at the v.a., even in the detox unit, they continued to give him opiates. when they discharge them on a weekend pass, they gave him 19 prescriptions for drugs, including the opiates and muscle relaxants that ended up killing him. even in the setting where the v.a. should've had the most control, they were hardly controlled at all. >> talk about the settlement that was just announced on thursday, the wrongful death settlement for veterans. >> this is a similar issue. we always hear the story, the veteran who died after being turned away from the v.a. and going to the v.a., there are survivors winn

jeffrey, wrap this up. a quick thought right now.erling fight this or will he walk away and take maybe a billion dollars? there are people lining up like crazy to buy this team. he could walk away as badly as he is with a billion dollars. >> i think the drama will continue for a while. will he or won't he? but this will end with donald sterling within a big wheelbarrow full of money. >> yeah. >> and, you know, there are a lot worse fates. he is lucky that that's the worst thing that's going to happen to him. >> he bought the team in 1981 when it was in san diego for $12 million. and he could get, i think, a billion dollars when all the dust settles. >> go away, donald. go away. >> hey, don, thanks very much. you got a show at 10:00 tonight, don? >> i have a show. we will be talking about this. we will also be talking about, wolf, i know you have to go, where do we go from here? these big -- now that most of the sceptical of donald sterling is mostly behind us, where do we go from here? we have these big issues. they bubble up. we bec

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sunshine, jeffrey goldberg.wo days ago was -- nevada rancher is refusing to pay the government $1 million in grazing fees, as you know. but his stand against land use and laws spiralled into something different when he openly questioned whether african-americans were better off as slaves than they are today living on what he calls government subsidies. at first he refuted the "times" report which quoted his remarks. >> he actually wanted a retraction. >> he demanded a retraction. >> if you say something and they don't get it right, you want a retraction. >> then video came out of mr. bundy making the exact remarks. >> the negro didn't have nothing to do, didn't have nothing for the kids to do, nothing for the young girls to do. and because they were basically on government subsidy and so now what do they do? they abort their young children, they put their young men in jail because they never learned how to pick cotton. and i've often wondered were they better off as slaves picking cotton, having a family life an

but jeffrey smith knows the truth. here is an editorial in "science magazine," the magazine of the aaa out. it just wrote a report about setting up for gmo's. these are people who have extraordinary reputations the president emeritus of the world society, a paper have no ax to grind, their careers are made. there not in the pockets of the big several industrial groups that are developing these things. and here's jeffrey smith. there is a picture of him supposedly flying. he is probably hopping. if you can actually do that, that would be a great demonstration. but advanced meditators. zero medical training. yet he pretends to go around and talk to medical groups so they are listening to him. he runs an anti-gmo cottage industry and believe me they are profiting from this controversy. it is not these other people. it is the group of gmo activists that are benefiting from this. ran for congress under the natural law party. yogi fires, which i think he qualified with lower nationwide stress and improve legible and make the

jeffrey kofman, abc news, london. >> jeffrey, thank you. >>> and to the royal tea leaves tonight. the royal family with a sort of response to all that talk we reported on here last night to a possible clue there prince william. he told a woman who gave him a shawl for baby george that she may need to make another one sometime. many asking if a royal baby was on the way. today, william and duchess kate taking a ride in the jet boat. zigzagging through narrow canyons. later, they went wine-tasting. kate right there with a glass of red wine in her hand. some say a more powerful clue about the future. perhaps what her husband suggested might the premature. still much more ahead on this sunday night. >>> from the polar vortex to the pollen vortex. the major blast of pollen around this country. doctors say brace for an awful allergy season. and tonight right here, the new tools to fight it. >>> and then take a close look at the sign this man is sitting behind. it reads i am a bully. why a judge forced this man to sit for hours on this sunday. what he did beforehand. let's see what you g

les and jeffrey.names in so long all together, i was beginning to have withdrawal. so, jeffrey, you know you just heard david pope from geo residence, they claim to have what appears to be a wreckage of a plane. how are the searchers in perth reacting to this information? >> look, off the record, the assessment is it's technology. however, my understanding is that the wreckage is about 700 miles -- >> we' peer to be having trouble obviously with -- he he's in perth, australia and those things happen. do you think the searchers are taking this seriously, at least the australians? >> i think they do. they're releasing they data and their calculations. like you remember in school, they said, show you work. they've shown everyone what they did and why they think this is so and it sounds reasonable. we haven't gotten what we were looking for with the other data. so i think given what they've put forth and what they've explained, i think they have to go talk a look. >> have to take a look, you think, jeffre

what i'd like to see, for instance, is economic models by people like jeffrey sachs that know how too into a country, and build it up economically. that's what i would like to see short-term. and i hope the imf package of $2 billion is not just budget support, but includes some of the measures that people like jeffrey had put forward in other countries. >> so, governor, let's talk about the specifics of what you're saying we should keep on the table. sorry, general clark and others described this as non-lethal support, which sounds very innocuous. isn't this also the kind of support that builds long-term capacities? we're talking about vehicles, tej sharing, training. is that the kind of long-term capacity building that we want to leave behind in this complex situation right now? >> well, i also think that's a valid question. we do want to build up the ukrainian military. they have nothing right now. but the problem is, that ukrainian military unified. you see all these defections. do they have a political purpose. do they have a military purpose. that's unsure. but right now to esca

thank you very much, jeffrey thomas.erybody else, please stick with me. >>> coming up, they have lived through the last 46 days having to wonder what happened to their loved one. i'm going to talk to the family of chandrika sharma, who was aboard the malaysian flight 370. . . >>> the families of the passengers of flight 370 are nearing a boiling point in dealing with malaysian officials. one family referred to their recent meeting with malaysian authorities as useless. i want to go back now to kuala lumpur and richard quest. richard, you have been there speaking with the families. the chinese relatives today met with malaysian officials in beijing. how did that meeting go? >> reporter: well, the meeting in beijing went very badly. it all ended in sort of abuse and profanity being leveled at the malaysian authorities. and part of the reason is, the families say that they keep -- the malaysian authorities keep saying to them, let us have your questions, which we will answer, but when they come to provide the questions, the

and the other thing you see goes to jeffrey's other point. we fell way behind in our ability to cope with that tragedy. this is a city where the mayor had spent years setting up committees to study this phenomenon. global washing how to prepare. we had not done nearly enough. we had done some simple and cheap things like rising the railway levels to keep them from flooding. taking the electricity substations out of cities near the rivers. we didn't do the easy things. >> or the back-up generators out of hospital. >> that's out at the base. >> that's a no brainer. >> we don't even do the no brainers. >> rose: are we now planning to do it because of what we witnessed during hurricane sandy. >> more planning. with you in this city we have a new mayor and i don't know what he's going to do. i would like to see that. >> rose: go ahead, michael. >> so i think this is an excellent example of hurricane sandy or super storm sandy depending on what you want to call it. first of all i would differ with michael just little bit. i think we can say with so

you're there on the scene, jeffrey. >> reporter: indeed, wolf. look, the way it's been described to me is that this first mission that was aborted, this is more of a shakedown mission to see what the operating environment is at the very bottom. echo has actually been in the area for quite some time, over a week, and it has been with ocean shield. as ocean shield was towing the pinger through, echo would follow it and do some mapping, although its echo sounding of the bottom is not nearly as accurate as sending something down right down to the bottom, 4,500 meters. and as described to me, they are adjusting bluefin-21, they are tweaking it, and, of course, it's got software that self aborts, bring it back up, they are changing the software, send it back down again, and it may be one or two or even three missions into -- with bluefin-21 before they get the software package right for the operating environment that they are working in at the moment. >> it's a tough, tough challenge. on that oil slick that they found in that general vicinity where the

jeffrey, thanks to you, as well. we'll certainly check back with you in perth, australia. >>> still ahead, news of areas how flight 370 may have crashed in the ocean and why there might be some very few clues on the surface of the water. >>> and there's nothing happy about this birthday, a passenger's family marks his big day, not knowing for sure if he's dead or alive. to truck guys, the truck is everything. and when you put them in charge of making an unbeatable truck... ... good things happen. this is the ram 1500. the 2014 motor trend truck of the year and first ever back-to-back champion. guts. glory. ram. the was a truly amazing day. without angie's list, i don't know if we could have found all the services we needed for our riley. for over 18 years we've helped people take care of the things that matter most. join today at angieslist.com afghanistan, in 2009. orbiting the moon in 1971. [ male announcer ] once it's earned, usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers

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russia demands on russia's gas. >> professor jeffrey d. sachs thanks for sharing your thoughts with us here on france 24. let's move onto some other news now, it has been seven weeks since the malaysian air flight banished without a trace -- the malaysian flight vanished without a trace. there is no explanation what happened to the 239 aboard. two thirds of them are from china and their sense of grief and despair has now turned to anger. >> they spent the entire night in front of the malaysian embassy in beijing holding signs in anger and despair. families of chinese passengers aboard the flight say they fieel the trade by authorities. they have pledged to stay here until an official comes out to answer their questions. >> right now, we do not know how long we can stay here. the government, the embassy has not sent a single person to communicate with us. it is inhumane. it happened on their watch, but they are making things difficult for us relatives of the passengers. >> police had cordoned off the area, blocking roads leading to the emba

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. >> jeffrey is a human rights barrister, and he joins us from london. thank you for joining us on the show. is there a precedence for journalists to be held up on charges of terrorism. >> this is a breach, a number of breaches of international law. egypt is a signatory o on civil and political rights which is a presumption of bail and clear proof that a man is dangerous before denied bail. this kangaroo court in egypt has pushed aside any question of bail, although peter greste and his colleagues are people of good character who would stay obviously in egypt until the end of these proceedings. egypt first of all is in breach of that position. secondly it's in breach of the guarantee that it signed up to a freedom of speech. there has been no evidence at all produced that peter or his colleagues have accepted money to put out false news or been involved in bribery or corruption or things that journalists could conceivably sometimes do. there have been a few prosecuted in england for doing that. but there is no suggestion, no sliver of evidence that these

jeffrey, i'm going to start with you. you have been talking to your sources, on the ground in perth, do you believe these sounds are, in fact, the black boxes? >> look, the evidence is, and the belief is, that the signals are from the black boxes. one of the factors that reinforces that is they were detected on exactly the flight path, which is the seventh recalculation, if you like, of the original immarcet pings. it's the seventh recalculation used by bringing in more evidence on the radar tracking of this aeroplane. and the location is exactly on this track that the ships were told to go and have a look at. so there's some supporting evidence that, yes, they are the black boxes. >> we listened to this press conference live from angus houston, paul. you were optimistic about this, but now cnn is hearing that the frequency detected was 33.3 kilohertz, not 37.5. do you still believe that these are, in fact, the pingers, and is it an exact match? is 33 that close to 37? >> okay, we're talking about 10%. and we had a discus

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jeffrey thomas in perth, the breaking news that the bluefin-21 had to abandon its mission early.at more can you tell us about that? >> look, interesting, don, it had been alluded to that if the bottom was -- if the surface of the ocean bed was lower than 45,000 meters they would have to look at other means of mapping the bottom that is a remote submersible. and we understand that equipment has been on stand by for some time and it may be flown out in the next day or so. this is one of those robotic vehicles that can go below 4500 meters. >> the new zealand searchers did spot potential debris. >> they have. we understand it has been photographed and it may have been picked up. we're not sure about that. but it is being analyzed at the moment. we have yet to hear a definitive yes or no whether it's related to mh-370. >> now to jeff wise here in new york. you know that bluefin it had to come up before it finished the job because it exceeded its depth. are searchers relying too heavily on technology in this part of the search, jeff? >> you know, when they used a similar technology to

it's different. >> get a, took a hit for suggesting that -- jeffrey. this present would go to a military solution if that's what akin to. do you still think that? >> yes, i do. i think there are two conditions the president would use military force on iran. the first is if we discover as we discovered twice before that iran is building a secret nuclear facilities. in other words, if we discover, and again i endorse -- by the way, elliott is one of those people have given me hits for suggesting, but i endorse nevertheless what elliott said, which is that when the administration says that we will know come will know what that means are doing. no, we won't. it's only by luck that we know anything. so if we discover that they're doing something in the subtree and fashion like they did at fordow, and i can't imagine a situation which the president wouldn't order a strike on that new facility, possibly of the facility. they are also too smart to do the other thing that would prompt and obama strike in which is to go to overt breakout, to kick out inspectors,

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be prepared. >> jeffrey. unlike rob, i do not believe the administration will vote for a lousy deal. it just struck me that rob is talking about the long relationship. even more juice internationally. >> i wanted to take this question from the audience. what is the scenario of the talks break down and enhanced international action or retrenchment? if the talks break down and there is no deal, you will obviously see more sanctions? that is to be expected. the more fateful question is that the talks break down, israel will strike iran. the boxing and jeff spoke about is a boxing in by the diplomatic process in sanctions. if negotiations fail, sanctions failed. after all, meant to force them to sign a deal. if the sanctions fail to do that, iran continues the nuclear weapons program, you have a very fateful decision and the hands of the nuclear program. i get the percentage chance that israel will strike, a bit higher than i think jeff thinks it is. i think netanyahu came close to ordering this in the summer 201

. >> in the real world, jeffrey's judgment is probably a good one. this is a court you would probably want to keep that case away from. i think the answer is probably no. whether you could convince this court to recognize a common law privilege as the just is urged, i think is an open question. eyed optimist, but you can make an argument to the court along the lines of, if you do not recognize the privilege, all you're saying is you are enhancing executive power and putting it exclusively in the hand of the power control over a whole fear of -- information. there is a role for judges to play involving these important issues and therefore you should read nice a spy case privilege, otherwise you have no role in future and you might get someone to coalesce around that. >> you are exactly right. the only chance to get what we would consider a good rolling is to appeal to the institutional pride of the constitutional role and show the ways in which it ought to be fed up with the deceits of the security they. the first guantanamo case, this court would hav

jeffrey? >> sorry, john. yeah, look, it's a very good point. one of the things that we possibly are under playing a little bit here is the role of "hms echo," the graphic ship because that is surveying the bottom with an echo sounder and the bottom as we know is silt and they're hoping for a stronger return from, say, a large metal object, the aeroplane. and that would obviously narrow it down dramatically. but even if it doesn't pick up anything, it is sweeping the floor, possibly eliminating the areas where we don't need to put the bluefin-21 down two. >> michael kay, you're giving him the thumbs up here. why? >> geoffrey is spot on. three days in the context of a search that could last for years, i don't think we are wasting time. what we're doing is, angus houston is making absolutely unyou've kabquiequivocal 100% s all the possibilities. as soon as you put it in that's it, we're in the for the long haul and it could take years. >> why is there only one bluefin side scanning sonar? why can't we use five or six of these to search faster? i t

and it does dilute your assets. >> do we have jeffrey thomas? jeffrey thomas there in perth. >> yeah, look -- >> go ahead. >> yeah, look, i agree absolutely with mary. we really have to check this out. sure, they might have been outside the search zone. there's questions about that. are they running their own race? all those sorts of things. if they've got a ping of some kind, let's go check it out. let's eliminate it or maybe it's positive. and this, as i said earlier, this is the most bizarre mystery in aviation and it may well be they've stumbled on it, so let's check it out. >> geoffrey, weather is expect to be good today. it's sunny where you are. 9:08 a.m. in perth now. how confident are you, i guess, can be, that they'll find something today? or tomorrow? or ever? >> look, the confidence is growing, although this is dragging on, obviously. in an instant world, we're all perplexed, how come we can't find this, how it can disappear. there is a growing confidence they are narrowing, they are working the numbers. the chinese sighting gives us