let's bring back jeffrey toobin and michael zeldin.estion not because of political intrigue and not because of potential contradiction of the president's own suggestion about who does leak, but because when you look at tse questions, you have to assume that the investigators know things. it's not like alisyn and i are doing the interview -- >> it's not like clueless people. we only know what the president is going to tell us, right? that's not true with these investigators. when you read through these areas, what was your purpose this specific date, why, motivational questions, what did you know about coordination. every time you give an answer, it could be something that runs at odds with what somebody else told them that you know. that's big-time jeopardy with somebody who has the power of perjury. >> it is, but i have to say when i saw this list i thought, well, there's nothing here that is a complete shock. i mean, there are two broad areas that they are asking about. one is obstruction of justice the firing of comey and efforts to

and radio host steve mauls burke thank you both for being here jeffrey what's your top and opinion on these numbers well i think they're skewed i mean we had about four hundred ten thousand people actually leave the workforce or retire or drop out altogether and stop looking for work and that's the real reason we're down from four point one down the three point nine even though there is six million jobs outstanding bart right there's still a lot of folks out there there's the use six level the unemployment rate also hey steve let's get your top line opinion on what's been going on on first. well i think you're if you look at it over three months you have an average of two hundred five thousand jobs i also think you have once again record low black unemployment you have tied for the record low of hispanic unemployment at four point at six point six percent four point four point six percent black at six point six percent even adult women went down to three point five percent so there's a lot of good in the numbers i think that workforce participation does need to pick up and i think tha

great point and jeffrey you know speaking of wages when we saw those go up i think it was the february numbers boy the markets took a big tumble as you may remember they rebounded but that was one of the beginning to that volatile time period we had starting in the beginning of march what how do you see the rest of this year playing out jeffrey. well i think the market is really tentative right now in terms of the economy i mean we saw mortgage applications decline two and a half percent as they increase rates it's going to put more pressure on the earnings profits and the cost of debt is going to go up and so that's going to put a squeeze on the economy as we just saw annualized g.d.p. right now is around two point three percent as per the rest last report for this year that's not a screaming growing economy that combined with lots of people hundreds of thousands of people leaving the workforce will give us the illusion that the unemployment rate is actually increasing because all we really did bart is increase one hundred sixty four thousand jobs as per this morning you know most eco

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jeffrey they want to embrace inflation. tom: they have got to see it. that is how the fed is acting. it is very hard to get in front of it. scarlet: we are already at 2% inflation, once we are there, can we stay there or move faster to 2.5%? jeffrey: if you look at shorter-term measures, we are above 2%, but what is the longer run trajectory around that? do we sustain a higher level, come back down around target, they will have the language that expected go back down to 2%. scarlet: there is also cpi and different measures, will the integrate different measures? jeffrey: they look at a lot of different measures when assessing their inflation. tom: we are beginning to see, make america great again, 2.8%, 2.9% -- scarlet: i thought it was 4%. tom: who knows. does thisairman, matter and can we sustain the good numbers we have seen recently? jeffrey: what matters is sustainability. that is a big debate. you know it well. we do not know where it will settle. we have a settled for 3% in 2018. the debate is the sustainability of that. if it is a sugar high, it

of conversion high point and jeffrey tucker is back to talk crypto currencies plus after the break we continue the crypto conversation on crypto currency exchanges with former c.s. we exchange executive or silly s.-t. and alex behala bit helps us understand how one of the world's largest aluminum producers located in russia could become exempt from the u.s. sanctions on russia all that's coming up but first we had some headlines. a widely anticipated apple first quarter earnings statement is out and it beat expectations even as i phone sales failed to take off revenue came in at sixty one point one billion dollars and the figures sparked a five percent after the bell rally in the price of apple stock still apple's i phone sales at fifty two point two million fell below expectations of fifty three million but the company's official statement still struck a bullish tone on the latest most expensive model the i phone x. . and in the energy sector british petroleum has posted an impressive seventy one percent increase in profits for the first quarter and twenty eight teen writing the tide

he's representing donald trump, jeffrey. what made that really clear to me, i would be surprised if he has any of the facts wrong in a material way. i think there was this retainer. i think it does translate the way he thinks. when he called the people storm troopers last night, that showed where his head is in terms of what matters to him route now. for him to call the men and women in the department of justice. he used to say, is and i'm sure he said it to you, it was my most proud moment professionally. they are the best people or the best americans. he called them storm troopers. we all know what that meant during the nazi era. for him to say something that ugly about people i know he respects, it shows his eyes are on the prize, which is getting trump out of legal trouble. >> yeah. i think that's true. i'm not sure that interviewas as planned -- >> i agree with you on that. i agree with you. >> he seemed to be rif f-ing. i'm not so sure his command of the facts was so great. he provided this other explanation for why co

jeffrey: really not newsworthy. scarlet: we want to bring in scott minard from guggenheim and he joins us from los angeles. thank you for joining us. your thoughts on the fed statement and how it changes how you view your investments. scott: i think that the statement is loud and clear, mission accomplished. we have reached full employment, inflation has hit 2%, we are safe to continue moving with our planned rate increases. and let me set you up a little bit, inflation is going to run hot in a few months because of the transitory effects we thought related to telecom, when it dropped south back in may and june of last year. when that drops out of the data, we will see the spike of inflation, but relax, we have under control. tom: a degree in economics from wharton, but you have your experience at credit suisse and morgan stanley, before public service to guggenheim -- great. tell me about the rising real rates. are you modeling at guggenheim, are you modeling a rising real rate environment, or is inflation going to

the lamb both descend on manhattan for a crypto event we go to a big name in the space our friend jeffrey tucker to discuss the latest in cryptocurrency and walked chain news and health conscious consumers and others will be interested in the state of the allman industry the toughest suite reports from california plus a ruling today by the world trade organization related to the largest claims producers in the world as explained by our she's eligible hyla bitch what will be a longer lasting implications of a w t o's decision will tell you there's a giant sucking sound in the airline industry and it isn't good plumber national transportation safety board director jamie joins us to talk about southwest airlines continuing troubles and war all that ahead but first let's have some headlines the united states has said that iran central bank chief is a terrorist and is accused him of funneling money to hezbollah and iran back terrorist group u.s. treasury secretary steve i'm a new just said in a quote today the state the global community must remain vigilant against iran's deceptive efforts to

, god damn it, jeffrey!huh. >> do you notice that it's melting the sugar? >> seth: oh, it is. >> so it's caramelizing the sugar on rim of this glass. >> seth: that's great. >> when you go to hubers they make a big spectacle of this. sometimes i like to do this, seth. watch out. >> seth: oh. [ scattered cheers ] >> this is a little nutmeg. >> seth: oh, wow. all right, great. >> keep rotating. >> seth: uh-huh. >> okay. oh, i forgot the coffee. seth, keep rotating. >> seth: okay, i will. [ laughter ] >> seth -- >> seth: oh my god. look, how you're -- you're fully on fire. >> i'm fully on fire. are you okay? >> seth: i am okay. yeah. >> this is a french press. [ laughter ] >> seth: great. so if somebody orders like two of these, does that mean everybody else in the bar goes home? [ laughter ] >> so the funny -- >> seth: okay. >> so, the funny thing is, is the minute you light up one of these in portland, the entire r. >> seth: okay, great. >> so let's just pretend that this french press is done. >> seth: yep, su

it's a new class of a very very well to do and yes i know many of them but we're happy for it jeffrey we've only got a little bit of time i want to hit you sort of a light year on with two quick questions one is related to i.b.m. the computer company you know they announced they're partnering with the british in the fin tech start up to issue a crypto token on the stellar block chained to tokenize carbon credits which seems like a pretty cool idea to what do you make of it. that's no brainer and stella's astellas a very interesting stella by starlight here a very interesting company it's a ripple break off that everybody underestimated when the air dropped i think it was eighteen months ago or something like that but it's just been killing it out of the markets these days they've been doing very very well i think you know it's a wonderful idea these partnerships are are endless and. ever more equal the whole ecosystem is getting crazy and complicated and globalized too so yeah this amazing things going to produce to study the other they are suggesting that the failure rate is actually

tucker the editorial director of the american history for economic research jeffrey thanks as always for joining us you go to so many of these events i imagine you get tired of them but this one in new york city seems to have a few notables including fred smith the c.e.o. of federal express has said that block change has been the potential to completely change everything jeffrey logistics like that x. and other transportation seem to be like the real natural place for block change to evolve is that what you're seeing and what are the other areas. well you know anything that requires documentation recordkeeping immutable records audit trails which is basically all human relationships can be blocked change in fact we're all going to be blocked chained you know and ten years of this is what's happening token as they let the whole world be tokenized as far as five. that i love that we're finally getting some respect out there you know i've been around since two thousand and eleven two thousand and twelve and those are back in the days where you never mention the word blocked and nobody o

something like twenty five hundred tweets you know and the twin towers are back and a lot of the back to jeffrey we're going to do we're going to do a story the other day about there is that big move maybe two three days ago and so the headline was going to be you know we had this big movement kryptos and then as we wrote it we said well what's the price now well we did bounced right back so like you say it's sort of more of the same so speaking of regularly is great we're go ahead go ahead we're almost we're almost half a trillion dollars now again in market cap so you know it feels like it feels like the fall again you know last fall to the it's eight hundred dollars it is not his that it. was a let me ask you so we talk about you know not regulating are there you know i've seen this before i saw this in the wake of dodd frank where some countries would try to have the thinnest rule book so they could maybe attract business and and you did i do recall your conversation about new york putting out their rags and them losing business is are there countries out there now that you think are maybe a

it has been reported that mueller's prosecutors sent a team last summer to interview jeffrey yohai. they reportedly asked him about paul manafort's dramatic financial moves around the time of the campaign and thereafter. borrowing tens of millions of dollars against his property holdings for unknown reasons and with unknown urgency. but mueller's team also reportedly asked jeffrey yohai about his father-in-law's relationship with president trump and his father-in-law's ties with russian oligarchs. we don't know what jeffrey yohai told them then when they sent that team to interview him last summer. but now he has reportedly pled guilty and he has reportedly legally obligated himself to tell them everything he knows. the question is what is he in a position to know? joining us is nathan layne, a white collar crime reporter for reuters who was also part of the team covering the trump russia investigation. he broke the story. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> jeffrey yohai is a little bit of a mysterious figure for those of us who've been following this scandal a

jeffrey toobin, what do you think? >> i mean, this was a campaign contribution. rudy forgot to lie. in the facts, so he doesn't really know the party line, and the party line was that this was for the good of the family, but of course this is a sexual encounter that took place in 2006, ten years earlier. it was reported in the tab roid pre -- tabloid press in 2011. out of all dates in the world, decide to give her money in october of 2016, and anyone could possibly think it wasn't a campaign related expenditure? of course it was. but rudy forgot what the party line was and made the mistake of telling the truth. >> so what do you think then about considering that, what do you think about his contributions then as the lead lawyer on this team? >> they were a fiasco, but we haven't even gotten into the other fiascos of his interview. coming up with explanation of the firing of james comey more incriminating than the other ones. rudy has been out to pasture quite some time as a lawyer. the guy needs some practice. >> we will have full on other fiasco exploration. the panel sticks around

tucker the editorial director of the american institute for economic research jeffrey thank you for being with us again we always appreciate it boom busters out there all know you don't care one lick for regulation and i agree that regulation can be stifling and for innovation but do you think there's any way that crip those will avoid being regulated as we go forward. i think they're going to avoid it more than you think i mean you look at this i've had i've had people tell me for five years oh government's going to get rid of it you know we're all doomed you know that hasn't happened yet i think i think part of the problem is the regulators don't entirely understand it and they they do have a sense that they could actually cause more harm than good and that does seem to be anything you know i think last time i was with the bar we talked a little bit about the new york case that was the regulations were a complete mess and i don't think anybody wants to do that this this time around so yeah i think there's going to be some very late expected to be a lot of a life hey listen let me

let's bring in cnn chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin and cnn ken kucaneli. that's a nice gold coin to be able to drop when you're having to justify a legal position in saying, by the way, we're going to get the americans back from north korea which, by the way, is great news if it happens but it doesn't distract from what's going on here. i learned from men like you, ken, when a story changes, it hurts the veracity of that story. is what we're seeing here preparing to go against prosecutors who are trying to meet a burden of proof but obviously covering for the fact that this story has changed? >> yeah, i think as they get closer to the time where he has to engage on this in the legal arena as opposed to politics that they recognize the need for accuracy and specificity and that this wasn't going to hold up, so i do think -- by the way, chris, you mentioned prosecutors, but they'll be an open question as to whether this is an election law violation which is civil, so the burden of proof in that consideration is going to be substantially lower than in any cri

here's a -- a twenty years ago jeffrey wright.. [ cheers and applause ] [ laughter ] >> seth: have you seen it yet? >> i haven't. how old were you then? >> seth: i was 20, yeah. >> crazy. so was i. >> seth: yeah -- i will say, i'm not lying. i did have that hair. [ laughter ] a very similar 1993 hair. >> i once did as well. yeah. i haven't seen it. i was going to go see it with my kids when it opened. and last minute they ended up going off on spring break with their mom. so i went down to puerto rico and surfed instead. >> seth: that seems like a perfectly nice thing to do. >> yeah. >> seth: have you ever gone to see a role you've played before? is it a weird thing to do? >> i have. i've never seen "angels in america" though. i did it a year and a half on broadway and i've never seen the show. i'm really, you know, like terribly looking forward to see it. it's probably -- in "westworld" we talk about cornerstones. for me in my career, "angels in america" is a cornerstone. it's that thing that kind of represents the center of your

so jeffrey lewis, what was bolton's intention by bringing up the libya model? >> well, you know, in his memoir, bolton bragged about using diplomacy to actually advance other gols, so h bragged about sending a delegation off to pyongyang, feeling that he had sabotaged them and knowing that it had collapsed. my guess is he was bringing up qaddafi not because it is a model for disarmament but because he knew it would annoy the north koreans, and, in fact, it did. i think we saw the north korean statement the other day singled lton out and made it very clear that libya was not a precedent they liked. >> schifrin: balbina hwang, was that right?th wanational security adviser trying scuttle this summit or somehow convreince noh ans that the u.s. wasn't serious about diplomacy? >> absolutely. libya is a red line that everybody knows isin some that north korea will not accept. now, on the other hand, it is also the sort of ereme that we set up going into negotiations so that you know that that is the furthest line that you know that is the extent to which is the hard l

joining me now, jeffrey toobin, elizabeth foul lley and david gergen. rudy giuliani, by his own admission, still doesn't have his facts completely straight. he's sure about the rumors, but still getting up to speed on the facts, which he says are still in dispute. at the same time, he's saying to "the wall street journal," they're going to have their decision by the 17th, at the same time, he's saying things about michael cohen. is any of this helpful to the president? >> no. look. i think we can all acknowledge that rudy giuliani is making a fool of himself, because he doesn't know what he's doing, he doesn't know what he's talking about. he's talking about the hostages in north korea, just things he shouldn't be talking about, and as you point out, he doesn't know the facts. but i do think we are heading for a resolution, which will include the departure of rudolph giuliani. they will make a decision about trump's testimony and giuliani will say, that's what i came here to do, now i'm leaving and that will be by popular demand, especially by the presi

i'm with jeffrey on this. i think it's totally -- you know, i'm sure mueller is saying we should wrap this up as soon as too for the good of the country. >> right. >> does it have any bearing. >> it would get wrapped up a lot faster if the president submits to an interview with him. >> yeah. >> all right. now let's talk about what we keep learning about what michael cohen was up to and where he was getting money not leadup to becoming president and afterwards. at&t, as you know, is trying to buy time warner, apparently paid him not $200,000 but $600,000, jeffrey, for what? for his expertise? for slicking the deal with the president? hard to know. let's face it, he's not a telecommunications expert or a merger expert. >> what we -- this whole story about the money that has been paid to michael cohen from novartis, at&t, korean company. >> columbus nova. >> right. it reminds me of one of my mentors, michael kinsley liked to say kinsley's law. the scandal isn't what's illegal. it is what's legal. it is what socie

jeffrey, your choice. the hill for $200, please. amanda. what is the areopagus? no. amy or jeffrey?hat is the parthenon? -no. [ beep ] correct response -- what is the acropolis? the parthenon, of course, was on the acropolis. jeffrey, back to you. let's try the hill for $400. all right. it's the daily double. [ applause ] jeffrey, at the moment, you're in the lead. you have no money, but you're in the lead. and you can risk up to $1,000.

joined now by jeffrey toobin. jeffrey, you look at this, there is lobbying done in washington.ou look at these payments, were these actual consulting deals or were they buying access to the president? after all michael cohen is the president's personal lawyer. >> they were buying access. but most of lobbying is buying access. what i don't understand about this controversy is what do people think is going on in washington? the whole business stinks. and the idea that michael cohen is somehow worse than all of the other lobbying these companies done, it is mysterious to me. cory president trump campaign manager is doing a thriving business. why do you think people are hiring him? because of his great policy expertise. no, because he's opening doors. all of the ex-senators, evan bye, john lowe, trent lott and they pay him because they could get access. this whole business stinks but it is legal. >> phil mudd, you have experience in washington. is there anything more transparent -- d.c. or swampy about this or do you agree with jeff, this is more of the same. >> jeff is dead on. if

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we will get deeper into the legal issues with alan dershowitz and jeffrey toobin later on. no questions on collusions, oh, i see, you have a made up phony crime, collusion that never existed and an investigation begun with the illegally leaked classified information. nice. we have to get this out of the way. the investigation isn't over. we don't know if the special counsel has found anything, collusion, or corruption for that mater and the new twist is a new misstatement of fact. for the record there, are questions on collusion. multiple in fact. here are some of the questions. when did you become aware of the trump tower meeting? during a 2013 trip to russia, what communication and relationships did you have with the agoalar ovs. during the campaign, what did you know about russian hacking. what knowledge did you have of any outreach by your campaign including by paul manafort to russia. what did you know about communication between roger stone, his associates. what did you know about the transition. now that is not even all of the questions that deal potentially whether

the second way, jeffrey, was, pick up the phone. you're the president of the united states, ask them to come in and brief you and tell you what it was. he could've done that. guys like you would say don't interfere but it would be a hell of a lot less interference than he's doing now. why didn't he take that root? >> he wants to make this a political issue. what we have seen over the course of the year of the mueller investigation is that republicans have grown less and less confident in mueller's fairness. that is due to the constant attacks from the president. that's what he wants to do. his whole presidency, whether it's in terms of policy or politics has been about mobilizing and satisfying his base and that's what -- and that's what he's done with regard to mueller and attacking mueller publicly and attacking the fbi are means to that end. >> in this case, i don't see him satisfying his base as much as leading his base to a helpful conclusion. you can limit the political fallout from what a negative finding from mueller would m

the president, jeffrey toobin, had tweeted this. hereby demand and will do so officially tomorrow that the department of justice look into whether or not the fbi, doj, infiltrated or surveilled the trump campaign for political purposes and if any such demands or requests were made by people within the obama administration. what does this say to you about the way the president views the justice department? >> let's be clear about what's going on here. this has never happened before in american history that we have a president of the united states that is viewing the department of justice as a private investigative agency to exonerate him. he's the head of the executive branch. under the constitution, he can do this. but all the norms, all the rules, all the procedures that other presidents have followed are out the window. and the congress is completely asleep, because they -- they don't -- the republican majority doesn't care. and we'll see if the public cares. but let's just be clear about how unprecedented this is. >> what do you

jeffrey? i'm so moved that james madison wrote the first amendment to protect the sleaze bags on k street. >> hey. >> but the idea that the only problem is transparency, no. the problem is that if you have money in the united states you can buy access through lobbying. a disgusting profession, legal but only problem is transparency is no. it is the problem is -- >> jeff? >> you can buy -- >> jeff, why is that a problem? why is that a problem if you can make an argument. you're saying all politicians are corrupt? >> no. >> the problem is -- >> what you're saying. >> let kerstin. >> access to a politician somehow they change their mind. >> the problem is the average person doesn't have $1.2 million laying around, for example, to pay somebody to do nothing apparently. right? i think that he was helpful and then decided just to keep play paying it for reason. >> the average person can come to capitol hill and lobbying their senator. >> falsehood. >> no it isn't. >> ridiculous and i can't believe y

. >> but jeffrey, look, michael cohen has not been indicted yet and there's no evidence that anythingllegal took place. you're right that this is part of the washington swamp. what's not part of the normal washington swamp is that money going for corporate influence is going into the same account where it's been reported that money is being paid out to a porn star who is alleged to be the president's former mistress. that's not typical washington. >> that i would agree. the porn star angle is somewhat novel, i'll grant you that. but the idea that serve so shocked and outraged that michael cohen, having failed to get a job in the administration decides to whore himself out as someone in the investigation, that's the american way. that's legal. >> but remember, it's not just that, it's cnn reporting this week also that part of the payment that michael cohen got was from a company that is led by the cousin of a russian oligarch. now that company says that they're separate so you see the graphic right there, but that is also why this is a big deal. it's not just us saying this, it's rober

branwen jeffreys, bbc news.other stories making the news this evening. a man who's terminally ill with motor neurone disease has appealed to judges to allow him to die with dignity. noel conway's challenge to the law on assisted dying is being heard at the court of appeal. the royal bank of scotland is to close 162 branches in england and wales, resulting in 800 job losses. the bank cited changing consumer behaviour including the rise of online and mobile banking, but it says compulsory redundancies will be kept to a minimum. the taxi app, uber, has failed in its bid to renew its operating licence in brighton and hove. the counci's licensing panel said it had "significa nt concerns" about data security following the news last year that uber had concealed a hack that affected 57 million customers and drivers in 2016. uber said it intended to launch an appeal. british overseas territories being used as tax havens will be forced to publish the names of investors owning companies in theirjurisdiction. ministers agre

a disorder director at the american institute for economic research great to have you on jeffrey let's talk about this extend suspension first of all are you surprised or not. i'm not super i'm not surprised i mean trump tries to keep everybody guessing all the time. you know economists use this word regime uncertainty as as a way of identifying a major cause of the lack of economic growth that's what the this is it's recent regime uncertainty nobody knows what he's going to do next but it's very harmful for investment in harmful for trading mallets and are harmful to the world economy not too much time to really change much what happens when we get to the presumably the same point months from now. right i mean he's going to probably he's going to extend it again but you know like the european commission said in a very pointed press release we will not negotiate with a gun to our head i mean and i must say as an american i'm very embarrassed and this is what we've come to i mean one of the great improvements in the world economy since world war two has been a kind of come a collegialit

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as jeffrey points out, the strategy now has completely changed. and after the rain on michael cohen's office the president completely changed as well. he went from going to thinking maybe i could do an interview, let's get it over with, to i'm absolutely not going to sit down in front of these people. and i think rudy giuliani is reflecting that. so what they're doing is making the public relations case, why should we sit down with these people who are not credible and calling effectively for an investigation of the investigators, which is what they're doing? >> you'll remember, jeffrey, back in january the president's words about a meeting with mueller pretty upbeat, pretty positive. he really wasn't witch hunt, witch hunt, witch hunt as much as he is right now. >> like gloria you said you have the raids on michael cohen's office and now the president's accusation that the fbi was spying on his campaign, which again reflects an aggressive attitude, not bounded in fact, but an aggressive attitude towards the fbi and towards this investigation that

jeffrey lewis is here as well, director of the east asia nonproliferation program at military instituteal studies. gentlemen, thank you. first, congratulations on the book. >> you know how hard it is to write books. >> i know what a labor of love it can be. >> or a labor of something. >> i know we'll talk about it a lot given the fact that russia's in the news almost every day but focusing on north korea. your thoughts on the timing of the release of the detainees? >> i applaud it. think it is great. any time americans are freed that's a fantastic thing. i hope we remember the americans that are still in eye rairan an fighting to get them out. it suggests the north koreans want a seriously substantive summit. >> is this going to have an effect on negotiations, a real material effect on the negotiations, jeffrey, the release of these detainees? >> well, i think if the north koreans had continued to hold them it would have been a challenge. but i don't know that it will help. i mean this is pretty typical behavior for the north koreans. they tend to grab people, hold them until they need

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let's bring in former special assistant to robert mueller michael zeldin and chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin. we have a lot to get through on this one-year anniversary of the mueller probe starting. is rudy guiliani right? a sitting president cannot be indicted and when robert mueller have told him that? >> this is one of the gray unanswered questions of constitutional law. the supreme court has never addressed this question. no prosecutor has tried to indict a president. there is justice department guidance going back to the 1970s that says a president cannot be indicted. and that seems to be the general consensus view, but we don't know that for sure. it is quite possible that mueller said we will follow that guidance. we are not going to indict the president if we have evidence. we will turn over this information if we have it to congress and let the impeachment process go forward. >> interesting side note on that is the longest commission study on this, as you guys know, was done by ken starr. that found that the president could be indicted because no one is above the law. that's

joining me now is jeffrey toobin and david gergen. rudy giuliani is still getting up to speed on the facts. and at the same time he is saying things about michael cohen. is any of this helpful to the president? >> no. and look, i think we can acknowledge that rudy giuliani is making a fool of himself, he doesn't know what he is talking about. he is talking about the hostages in north korea. and things he should be talking about. and as you point out, he doesn't know the facts. but, i do think we are heading for a resolution which will include the departure of rudy giuliani. he will say that is what he came here to do and now i am leaving. and that will be by popular demand especially by the president of the united states. >> elizabeth, obviously the president does have other lawyers besides rudy giuliani, but he is the face of it. is that a functional relationship having the guy who may not be up to speed on the law out there talking the most about the law? >> look, it is a good idea when you have a complex legal situation like this t

right so but we also have seen some a questionnaire recently in new york that had gone out and as jeffrey was talking about earlier when they put some regulations in place before some businesses left you think that's going to happen again i think it might and it certainly created quite the explosion of response from jesse powell who is the co-founder and c.e.o. of the crack and exchange but you know anyone who's been in the exchange space with a regulatory space like you and i we've seen these questionnaires before they're not that big of a deal they're a lot less scary than you think and the reaction from some of the other changes it's been a lot more agreeable including the gemini exchange as well as coinbase i think people that haven't been involved in this sort of stuff they see a questionnaire from the government and they freak out people that have been like you have at the international security exchange and nodal exchange to have this experience you know put the compliance guy on it get it done when can you get it done all those you have to do what you have to do have to now and we

let's get to our specialist and to jeffrey toobin first.t do you make of what the judge said today? did that surprise you at all? it was unusually harsh. >> it was unusually harsh and a bad day for the mueller team which is not had many bad days in court. but it is not really the bad day the way you might think about it. the odds that judge ellis are going to dismiss the case are remote. if you look at the law, it just doesn't seem like the judge has any basis on which to dismiss the complaint. however, good days like this make manafort let likely to plead guilty and cooperate. and that is a problem for the mueller office. because clearly that is something that they want. the other reason a day like this is a problem is that it contributes to the pollicization of the office. like it or not, that it creates the impression that they are out to get trump, they are out to get republicans and that is not a healthy thing for this office, fair or not. so i don't think there is any sort of fatal damage in the works lear -- here but this is certainl

and jeffrey toobin, let me read to the federal judge's decision.e russian government and who attended meetings on behalf of the campaign, given the combination of his prominence between the campaign and supporting and operating out of russia, manafort was an obvious person of interest. the special counsel would have been remiss to ignore such an obvious potential link between the trump campaign and the russian government. you're analysis, jeffrey. >> reporter: a couple of weeks ago, the mueller office had a rough time when the judge in virginia criticized them. well they have -- had a very good day today in washington, because this is a ringing victory. not just because she declined to dismiss the charges against paul manafort, but she really explained in particularly in the passage you read why manafort is relevant to the investigation of russian involvement in the 2016 election. so this case is moving to trial. and the question now becomes even more significant about whether manafort will plead guilty and cooperate before that trial takes place.

first of all, it really goes to jeffr jeffrey's point, when the administration started, i think it wascans that they needed to keep their distance from president trump. he was so unpredictable they should not be all in. that's gone. they have completely eliminated any willingness to impose any constraint and overnight and more often than not are supporting and enabling these efforts to open a second front against the special counsel investigation. the striking thing to me is thinking about the political implications is that by in large when you look at the doubts that voters in the republican coalition still hold about president trump personally, still question whether he's racially biassed or doubt his temperament as you can imagine after the last week of on again, off again north korea, nonetheless, the voters, like the members of congress, are locking arms and drifting back to a republican candidate in 2018 because they want to hold power. they see the rewards of lining up behind president trump in term of judges and taxes. that puts a lot of pressure on democrats not to expect mass