jeffrey sonnenfeld is not the head of yale business school. he's a dean.e did wright the article calling carly fiorina as a boss the disappointing truth. professor sonnenfeld, let's deal with the issue of bias, are you a clintonite? >> no, i'm not. i've never taken kryptonite, i don't know superman. i don't know the clintons. i know the bushes but i've never been on any of these people's payrolls. i've met with personally, recently, four republican candidates for private discussions. not for compensation. i often take a position, michael, like you, i want each candidate to try to help formulate their own positions in the best way they can to avoid the personal invective in the social behavior we sometimes see in these silly seasons. but no, i don't work for them. >> let me show what you carly fiorina wrote for cnn.com. she said hewlett-packard not only survived the dot-com bust, we also became the leader in every market segment and product category in which we completed. we doubled revenue to over $80 billion. we quadrupled the growth rate to 6.5%. that so

jeffrey sonnenfeld is not the head of yale business school. at least not yet. he's senior dean at the school of management. he did write the article calling carly fiorina as a boss the disappointing truth. joining me from connecticut. professor sonnenfeld, let's deal with the issue of bias, are you a clintonite? >> no, i'm not. i've never taken kryptonite, i don't know superman. i met the clintons. i know the bushes. i have never been in any way on these peep's payrolls. i met with personally recently four republican candidates for private discussions, not for compensation. i often take a position, michael, like you, i want each candidate to try to help formulate their own positions in the best way they can to avoid the personal invective in the some of the kind of anti-social behavior we sometimes see in this silly season. but no, i don't work for them. >> let me show what you carly fiorina wrote for cnn.com. just last month, august 13th. she said hewlett-packard not only survived the dot-com bust, we also became the leader in every market segment and product

but not things that she was leaving. >> fiorina says jeffrey sonnenfeld is a clintonite.n was the last time you were hanging out with them? >> i think paul begala and james carville will be surprised. i have sadly never been invited to be part of the team of advisers there. i have worked in recent weeks for no compensation four different republican candidates to make whatever their respective messages are a little bit better just so we have a constructive discourse taking place in this silly season. but i call the candidates, i vote for how they are. this is why she was a terrible ceo. when she gets these questions, what does she do? she does what happens so often when somebody is an honest messenger, she shoots the messenger. she says my data is wrong, bring that up. but instead it's always an effort to discredit somebody who's wringing up something that she doesn't want heard. that's what makes her a bad ceo and that's why she's never gone through this redemption. she was on the bord of taiwan semiconductor and only showed up for 17% of the meetings. >> we'll have to le

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you have to get the report from jeffrey sonnenfeld of yale. he's the expert on carly.isaster. and check out lucent before hand. so you have ben saying what he said. you have carly saying -- these are two people that will not be president. >> that was exhausting, right? but it was kind of fun to listen to, which i think is the main factor here, right? but on a serious note, carly fiorina, everybody says she's rising in the polls but in the latest cnn poll she's only at 3%, so why is mr. trump even bothering? >> reporter: well, i think the reason he's bothering is because she sort of punched at him, and we remember this from the last debate, the so-called happy hour debate that she was in. she was one of the people who was toughest on donald trump, and that was so interesting because they were on different stages, and i think people kind of forget that. they were in two separate debates. we're still waiting on the final word for who is going to be on the debate stage for our cnn debate but it looks like carly has a very good shot of ending up on stage with donald trump,

my good friend jeffrey sonnenfeld attacked carly as well. people are going to attack donald.ey didn't hate each other so much, they might make a good team. [ laughter ] >> i don't think that's going to happen, but interesting idea. >> here's why. david: quickly, charlie. >> they're extremely resilient business people who take decisive steps and remade themselves and both have gray areas, did good things, bad things, net net, very, very, very good business people. you're fired, asman. unlike you, you're done. david: that's james cagney by the way. charlie gasparino. >> go back to forbes. melissa: honestly, one of the worst impressions out there. that was terrible! charlie has to stop doing the trump impression. now he's going to come into the studio and kill me. carly fiorina defending her record as the former ceo of h-p. >> yes, we had to make tough choices. in doing so we saved 80,000 jobs, went onto grow to 160,000 jobs and now hewlett-packard is almost 300,000 jobs. we went from lagging behind to leading in every product category and every market segment. we must lead in t

. >> jeffrey sonnenfeld is a well-known clintonite and honestly had it out for me from the moment i arrivedt hewlett-packard. but honestly, mr. trump, i find it quite rich that you would talk about this. >> is that true? what's your response? do you support hillary? are you out to get carly fiorina? >> no. you know, in the last few week, i've had private meetings with four different republican presidential candidates. not paid. just people who have asked if they'd do some brainstorming. i'd like to see these exchanges for a patriotic reasons that each person play to their best and sharpen what their points are and get away from the personal invectives and the name-calling. i haven't thrown my hat behind any party or candidate. but i think james carville and paul begala and george stephanopoulos would be very surprised to know i was there. i would have loved to know about that so i'd know where to send some invoices. that's completely false. she makes that stuff up. but don, there is something that is really indicative about that which is where we call victims in the media and why she was su

. >> jeffrey sonnenfeld is a well-known clinton-ite and headed out for me from the moment i read thatewlett-packard, but honestly, mr. trump, i find it quite rich that you would talk about this -- you know, there are a lot of us americans who believe that we're going to have troubles someday paying back the interest on our debt because politicians have run up mountains of debt using other peoples money. that is in fact precisely the way you ran your casinos. you ran up mountains of debt as well as losses, using other people's money, and you were forced to file for bankruptcy .ot once, not twice, four times a record four times. why should we trust you to run this nation any differently than you managed the finances -- >> i've made over $10 million. i had a casino company -- caesars just filed for bankruptcy. chris will take you almost everybody in atlantic city is either in trouble or filed -- maybe i will blame chris. is a disaster.ty wait a minute, carly, i let you speak. atlantic city is a disaster and i did great in atlantic city. i knew when to get out. my timing was great. i got

jeffrey sonnenfeld from yale business school called her the worst non-incarcerated ceo in america.mildly negative. the times had a story on her today with one management expert basically saying i put her in the top of the bottom third of ceos. the thing that fiorina says is correct is the time she led hp -- >> was a tough time. >> was a tough time for hardware manufacturers like hp. she laid off a lot of people. probably anybody who was ceo would have ended up laying off a lot of people. the big problem with what she did is she looked at a number of difficult declining or low-profit businesses and decided to expand them. she bought compaq, as donald trump pointed out. hp had a personal computer business that was not very profitable so, she went out and bought a much larger personal computer business that was also not very profitable. the theory was by becoming a bigger player they'd be able to get economies of scale and make higher profits and that turned out to be wrong. in fact they had a business that was not very impressive and was larger. >> and that's what she says on err top

yale professor jeffrey sonnenfeld, not the head of yale business school nor yale law school as donald has said before but he's an esteemed professor. he says, that carly fiorina was not a good ceo. in fact, i'm putting it gently. he says she's one of the worst technology ceos in history. fiorina tells a different story. jeffrey sonnenfeld, senior associate dean for the yale school of management joins us now to make the case. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, chris, it's an honor to with be you. >> let's deal with your qualification in this matter. are now not a shameless clintonite who's out to take out carly fiorina as you had been from the beginning and when she was at hp, you had it out for her then, is that true, sir? >> no. as i set in judgment and review of the histories and leadership impact of many of our ceos, if not most of the ceos of our major firms, many of them i endorse and celebrate and others i just think it's really important for capitalism to work, we separate out the good guys and the bad guys and distinguish where the performance deserves to be celebrated. t

one, jeffrey sonnenfeld is a long-time friend of the clintons. donald trump would cite him without noting that. he's taking from the dnc talking point here's. carly was the head of a publicly traded company. every 90 days she had to report out what was going on in the company and she was held to account. those numbers are public. you can look them up. the company doubled revenue, quadrupled growth. quadrupled the rate of innovation, i believe as well. and so wouldn't it be interesting if politicians were held to the same account. if she misled, she could be celly liable. that's why people are excited for someone outside the political class. she knows what accountability means, transparency means. will people on the left try to distort her record? you bet. she's ready for it. it's really about being able to show she's ready to change the status quo and sometimes when you do that, you make enemies like a yale law professor. >> one last poll that speaks to what you're talking about. this is, again, from the new "washington post"/abc news poll. it ta

jeffrey sonnen felled was against a split. ♪ >>> breaking news this hour, bank of america share holders have rejected the plan to split the ceo and chairman. and jeff,sonnenfeldram. this vote has only come through with 63% support. you must bedisappointed by that? >> no, and boy the way, vosiferous if the board thinks it makes sense. and at united airlines, they're going through a transition where they removed a combined ceo and chairman. and then it makes sense or at ford motor company where you have a large family steak. many times it makes sense and sometimes it doesn't. their process wasn't ideal, shareshoulders should have been vised but i'm glad they ratified it. the number isn't in the 80s but not too far from off two and three years ago and jaime got around 68% to keep it rolls combined -- >> i guess really it depends, making sense to whom? i come from the jack wells school of thought that the company is owned by the shareholders and up to them and not for the board to do internal work. >> i didn't -- you didn't say that last week there was no shareholder vote for united airlines, a board makes these decisions. and nonetheless, it's an even better pro