brian: reaction from jeh johnson who is in our green room next. [knocking]

charles: that's president obama's homeland security secretary, jeh johnson, telling me moments ago the situation at the border a crisis. you know, it's interesting because jeh talked about the poverty in these countries but also talked about how much these coyotes charge them to get into this country. some people, you know, wonder how both exist, how does someone with abject poverty find the money to pay coyotes to come into this country. >> that's a great question. the other thing regarding the poverty, what about all the aid the u.s. gives to these countries? that's one of the reasons why president trump wants to withhold that because it's not going to the people. it's going to the leaders of these countries. it's not helping the citizens at all. for them to risk their lives to flee to the united states, they are cutting the line for those who are waiting in line, who are trying to get here legally, and they are overwhelming our system, overwhelming the process. charles: there is a difference between economic refugee and someone who is seriously being persecuted in their country. i t

so jeh johnson i respect him. he is 100% accurate. now than they were back then. charles: how do you explain, just in the last month or so, this huge spike and then of course, two caravans on their way right now? is it the coyotes? does word get out there is so much sympathy that it is almost and encouragement norfolks to make the dangerous trek to try to get here? maybe once you get in the country you know you're okay? >> well look, why would they stop coming? there is no consequence. charles: but, tom, the spike has been mind-boggling. like something else went out, some sort of call went out, hey, make your move right now? >> look, when they know, they see the stories, 14,000 family units came through one month, only 3,000 beds. they know most people are released. they're watching the news. seeing hundreds and hundreds of people released into the united states every day. that entices people, you know what? now is the time to come. they're overwhelmed. half of congress wants open borders. they don't want to fix it. they're not stupid

to your point, jeh johnson on your show said as much. he said 1000 is crisis. 4,000 apprehensions in one day, you can add any superlative you want. i interviewed ron vitelli, he gave us a glimpse what it is like down. there i want to share it with the audience. >> it is unprecedented territory we're in. thousands of people coming to the border, every single 24 hours. not enough capacity in any of the systems designed to enforce the law and to protect people at the border. there is not enough resources in any of these categories. it is absolutely a crisis down there. we need to patrol that border. we need to have an immigration system that has integrity. right now every part of the system is overwhelmed. charles: breaking news. president trump from inside the white house just now saying that this is such a big enough situation that if he has to, he will close the border. he understands, he understands the economics involved but he also went on to say that mexico is doing more. so it appears that perhaps mexico making some adjustments, dou

president trump: jeh johnson was great. very strong statement. mr. morgan, too, who worked with president obama, said this is a problem, has been. this has been going on. i think probably the economy, a lot of things -- we've had some very bad court decisions. the flores decision is a disaster, i have to tell you. judge florez, whoever you may be, that decision is a disaster for our country, a disaster. we are working on that. i just want to thank you. great job you are doing. appreciate it. it's all going to come together. thank you. >> very quickly, mr. president. i want to say thank you for coming down to see us. we talk about the progress we are making. you see that with the resources you have supported for the border. that wall is formidable. we need to continue to work with congress on improving the walls. we need partnership from mexico on these walls and attacking the individuals exploiting these individuals and profiting from this entire cycle. i want to thank my men and women who do a tremendous job here every day. i am proud of their commi

we a jeh johnson former secretary of homeland security under president obama on television last week -- let me . former secretary of homeland security jeh johnson, he was onty of las tv last week saying you have a definition a crisis. there are a lot of democrat on capitol hill do continue to say this is the president's manufacturing. you look at border in overall 20,000 feet, it looks calm. there are note a lot of people rushing. but they come across in dribs and drabs, a steady trickle. but a large flow who are coming aiouacross, and they don't havee facilityies to handle it that is why the president has brought in military to help with logistics. i was told last week there is still a need for more troops to help with hospital, and surveillance and temporary shelledders, transportation -- shelters and transportation. they don't have personnel. i would not be surprised if sometime in next couple of weeks the president calls up more troop tops wit -- to help with e situation on border, no one knows better than kevin mcaleenan, i could we'll -- you know i was told, that there is not a

joining me now is jeh johnson. welcome. a lot to talk about. >> thanks for having me. >> your former department with all of these issues on the table and now the secretary is gone. the basicing deputie iacting de gone. >> deputy secretary. >> they are just asking the tsa agency head to move over and be acting deputy secretary while still running tsa. secret service is leaderless. the morale and -- how can morale continue? >> it's more than a matter of morale. >> what is the risks to us? >> right now in the public mind and public eye, dhs is immigration, border security. it's so much more. the department of homeland security created after 9/11 is aviation security, cyber security, port security, border security. you need -- >> fema, secret service. >> protection of our national leaders. every one of those components need a permanent senate confirmed leader. when you have -- when i came in as secretary december 2013, we had a number of vacancies. priority number one for me was to fill those vacancies. get them to the white ho

. >> pete: including former obama administration officials like jeh johnson coming out and saying its in crisis. 1,000 today when i was dhs secretary would've been a bad day. now we have 4,000 a day. >> dana: even bernie sanders did call it a crisis. >> pete: they call it a different kind of crisis. they don't see it as a law and order crisis. they don't see it as a reflection of the fact that the president is serious about the problem and congress never has been. why do we keep trying to do things that don't work? aid to guatemala, el salvador, honduras. the leaders of those countries are helping facilitate their citizens leaving those countries to mexico to our country. we spend billions over years trying to fix their governmental structures and their economy so we don't have this problem. at what point do you say this aid isn't working? >> dana: juan, two of those governments are center right and supportive of the united states. how do you feel about cutting off aid? >> juan: it will backfire tremendously. look at the percentage of where the money goes. it's like 40% of the money

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jeh johnson, the former homeland security secretary under president obama also says there's a crisishe border. the u.s. simply cannot sustain this flood of undocumented immigrants and asylum seekers coming to the country. we're seeing four times the apprehensions from when he ran the agency. take a listen. >> i know that a thousand overwhelms the system. i cannot begin to imagine what 4,000 a day looks like. so we are truly in a crisis. >> what should the united states do about this crisis? obviously, there is one. and something needs to be done beyond the status quo. >> well, that something is certainly not cutting aid to the central american countries, because of the horrible environment that is inducing so many people, children and their parents coming across the border. so, you know, we need to provide a lot more assistance to these countries. and during jeh johnson's time, i know that we sent a lot of this kind of support to columbia, for example, and that really decreased the number of people leaving that country. so there are things we can do. and certainly, that is exactly no

former homeland security secretary jeh johnson is here. he will give us his take.

. >> and the former homeland security jeh johnson under president obama calls the situation a crisis. president trump says he could close the border as early as this week. elizabeth: thank you. let's get to claudia cowan at the border. claudia? reporter: liz, closing the border would translate into higher prices for everything from cars to alcohol to the food we eat. thousands of trucking cross the border every day fimmed with produce. according to the department of agriculture of half of the vegetables are grown in mexico. one distributer says if the border closes we could run out of avocados in three weeks. razz berries and cucumbers come from mexico. exporters would be hit hard too. excois the largest impoforter of u.s. refined fuels like diesel and gasoline. some transported by railway and it's unclear if a shutdown would impact train service. mexico is the third largest trading partner. goods passing back and forth total $316 billion according to the offers of the u.s. trade representative. the economies of border cities like el paso rely on international bridges that allow peopl

now people like you and jeh johnson, respected people, are admitted it is a crisis. we do have an emergency. what are the solutions? i've laid out simple solutions congress can work on. i think the person who's running for the nomination by a democrat who comes up with immigration plan, that person is going to disting himself or herself because right now the two front runners for the democrats according to plan are the two old white male career politicians. somebody who plans out with a plan on immigration will prevail. >> was the president informed in advance of what was going to happen to julian assange. >> not to my knowledge. >> he didn't know in advance. >> not to my knowledge. >> the federal government, whatever deal was made with the uk. >> i'm sorry, i don't know. that was state department. >> you don't believe the president was briefed in advance. >> i don't know and i don't think so. i want to say one more thing, having discussed this with him after the fact several times, the president believes those who publish classified information should not do that. t

. >> jeh johnson. >> jeh johnson. the democrats say there is no crisis.t is saying if you think it's not a crisis and sanctuary cities work, we'll be happy to send 100,000 to sanctuary cities and you can figure out -- >> but we can't. you have a kid, i have a kid. sometimes i put my kid through exercises to teach him lessons. the president can do that with hundreds of thousands of people -- >> maria, go ahead. >> ben, it's my turn, my turn. >> hi, maria. >> hi, ben. first of all, democrats have always said this is a humanitarian crisis. we have said it's a manufactured crisis when the president wants to declare a national emergency for something that's not a national security crisis. he does not see immigration as a problem that needs solving, only a solution to his political problems. so when you have the president -- let's just think about this, s.e. two things. the president is treating these migrants as if they were the bubonic plague or a bio-chem weapon to be released into sanctuary cities. if he thinks they're ms-13 gang members and criminals, does

when you have the former homeland security secretary jeh johnson saying there was a problem and you haveiedman saying yes, we actually need the bill into law. and you have -- dick durbin actually said and use the word crisis, humanitarian crisis at the border. get real, folks. we are talking about hundreds of thousands of real people and children that need to be addressed. we can't keep offering all of these rewards and incentives to come here illegally. >> harris: and that sheriffs tweed, if you will paraphrase, parts of california, hollywood, kind of waking up to this too jessica but is this approaching it to eight hi -- tipping point for democrats? >> jessica: yes, i think so. going into 2020 when president trump is going to make this one if not his marquis issue plus the fact over 100,000 people across the border on a monthly basis now, you do start talking like dick durbin like dick durbin anticrisis. jeh johnson saying a three prong crisis going back to central america and the asylum system and actually the border is a smart way to approach it. i remain hopeful the gang of eight, t

let's bring in former secretary of homeland security under president obama, jeh johnson. like the united states, it was revealed accidentally, he has been charged, we don't know exactly with what yet. we are asking for him to be extradited here it sounds like he is in trouble with the chelsea manning thing. >> well, first, i have to go back to the prior interview. chris slutman. i know someone who is in his unit in the marine corps in afghanistan serving in afghanistan right now. and he is a reminder that so often reservists in their private lives are also giving back, also serving the country as a firefighter, as a police officer emergency response. so a hero like that is serving the people in multiple ways so, julian assange. don't know whether or what he has been charged with his attorney in that tweet appears to acknowledge there is a u.s. warrant for his arrest, i night disagree with judge napolitano but i don't believe julian assange is a hero. brian: what did he do? he exposed secrets, communiques war documents. he exposed video with the pentagon, published them. ho

want to point out that nobody is talking about, with this coming in the amount of people and as jeh johnsonstin nielsen has said we're at overload on our southern borders that something has to be done. look at what's going on in venezuela where there's over 3 million refugees over 5,000 a day are leaving that country. if they know they can come in un checked in our southern border we'll have not 70 or 100,000 people at our southwest border we'll have millions of people at the southwest border and this is something this nation is not prepared for and that we have to do something to stem this flow. we want everybody to be able to migrate to america legally and we want them to have the opportunity that we have, we can't have chaos. >> liz: and protect these truly poor and prosecuted with our asylum laws being crowded out when you have obama officials like jeh johnson and mr. morgan, and saying it's a crisis, it's a crisis congressman, final quick word. >> it is a crisis and this is something that should be void on politics and this is what's best for the american people for the safety of the c

i got invited and jeh johnson today briefing. in october 2016, this was happening. it was very clear. it has taken people a wild to accept that. it happened. how much of an impact it had all the election, that the issue. the fact is, they were trying to influence the election. a foreign government. i would not say is the first time that is happen. prosecuted cases with the director of chinese intelligence, with chinese airspace with clinton's policy on satellites. they put money from his hong kong bank accounts into his campaign. that's another foreign government tried to influence an election. so they just have a new tool. they're very effective at it. ms. harman: under our constitution, states regulate the time and place of elections. a lot of states have taken a while to understand that maybe this is a national problem and that we need some help. it was jeh johnson who declared state election voter machines as part of our critical infrastructure. what that means is that federal money available is -- federal money is available for that. do you think the federal go

even jeh johnson, the secretary of homeland security for president obama says this is a crisis.er than what he would have looked at for it to become a crisis. it's already four times over what he would consider a crisis. and so i think we have to acknowledge it is. right now, congress is unwilling. they don't want to give the president a victory or a defeat. it's all about the president. let's make this about the country. we have a problem to solve. >> congressman don bacon, i agree. you're doing god's work there. with this coalition, and i wish you and your republican and democratic colleagues luck. >> thank you, sir. >>> all right. we're turning next to sudan and what's happening there because it has been a deadly weekend for protesters in sudan, fighting to oust the country's embattled president who has been there for three decades. this is amid rising prices and food shortages. nima elbagir gives us a look at what's going on right now in sudan. new lower price. wow. that's a lot of asparagus. yeah, you said get a bunch of asparagus. oh, you... a bunch. i... thought you kinda

now in the midst of this border crisis which even his fellow former obama administration official jeh johnsond it is a real crisis.a they were on the same cabinet together under president obama, is he not willing to listen to jeh johnson on this point? he sat till mike set on the post quoted him that his premise is the border is more secure today than it has been in decades and to me that just kind of feels like a fantasy world and so much of the problems that we are currently facing at the border arises from the incentives that are embedded into our current laws on immigration, on declaring yourself as someone who needs help, someone coming to this country as a refugee or what have you. if some of our incentives are out of whack and you look at the incentives that would be inherent in this proposal. it's basically a magnet saying please come, we are going to stop enforcing our laws. >> tucker: nobody makes an economic argument in favor of it. nif you cared about the country you would bother to explain how this improves the country, but they don't bother, they explain only america 's obligati

. >> dan: jeh johnson cited on this network. >> jesse: how you said before he has backed the democrats on sanctuary cities. is it ever going to change? i don't know. i think it's going to take at least six to make eight to finish the job but i think his t is in the right place. >> dan: marie, so you you have some disagreements but what do you think about jeh johnson think that there's a crisis of the border. is it changing the narrative on the democrat side? >> marie: i think a lot of democrats from border districts have been saying that for a long time. the question is how to fix it and how to attack it. short of congress actually stepping in and doing something, the overall situation, we will continue to put band-aids on things and continue to do executive actions. the overall situation cannot really be fixed without massive congressional action and quite frankly, i don't for see that happening at all. this barr thing, the new executive order, i think it's one attempt to try to get a handle on it. it could have the reverse effect of hurting them when it comes to overcrowding. they ar

people like you, jeh johnson, are admitting it is a crisis. what are the solutions? i laid out simple solutions for congress to work on. i think the person rounding for the nomination who comes up with an immigration plan rather than a government takeover health care like medicare, green new deal, that person is going to distinguish themselves because the two front runners for the democrats are the two old white male career politicians. somebody who comes out with a plan on immigration wants to work with the president ahead of time and not kick it into 2020 will prevail. >> was the president informed in advance of what was going to happen to julian assange. >> not to my knowledge. >> he did not know in advance whatever deal was made with the u.k. and any of that stuff -- >> i don't know -- sorry. i don't know. that's a state department. the department of justice. the department of justice -- >> you don't believe the president was briefed in advance? >> i don't know and i don't think so. i just want to say one more thing. having discussed this after the fact several t

i was talking to security chief, jeh johnson yesterday when i asked him about immigration and he saiddy the dhs director, he also said part of the real problem is that you need to help prop up these country and help them make places people want to stay. cutting aid, what would that be? >> it would be a disaster. for people applying for asylum is to help people where they are in guatemala and honduras. it does support people so it runs completely contrary of what the president says. shutting down the border would be harmful to our economy. think of all the manufacturing enterprises o f the united states and automobile industry and especially in the midwest. that would suffer from this. >> he says national security is more important. >> the other thing was nato. he's sitting there, he's been real anti-nato. when he sits there, he makes it seem like he's the person who makes nato better and taking all the credit and sultonburg sits there and nods along. >> donald trump had not stood up for putin and article 5 and an attack on one of us is an attack on all of us. on spending has been a pr

i went to a gang of eight, i got invited, jeh johnson, in october of 2016, this was happening. it was very clear. you know, it's taken people a while to accept that intelligence that it happened. how much of an impact did it have on the election? that's the issue. but the fact is they're trying to influence the election. they're for government. i would say for the first time that's happened, they've done it many years prior. i prosecuted the johnny chung case, director of chinese intelligence because china air pace clinton's policies of satellite. they put money into his hong kong bank account for the clinton campaign. they just have a new tool. they're very effective at it. mrs. harman: under our constitution, the states regulate the time and man over elections. a number of states have taken a while to get around to the point of view that gee, maybe this is a national problem and we need help. it was jeh johnson who declared state election voter machines as part of our critical infrastructure and what that means is that federal money is available for this. do you think that th

even obama's former press secretary jeh johnson said it an overwhelming situation. democrats for the most part are comfortable condemning president trump for actions on the border because they haven't focused on it, they won the house in 2018 ignoring border issues and will that work in 2020. david: kaitlin, with all talk about democrats wanting to solve things. you said some of their solutions might actually bring more people here but what about the asylum laws? that is something that most of the border experts we've spoken to say is causing a problem? you have to tweak the asylum laws to make it more difficult for people to check in with border security and then go away and never come back for the court appearance? is there any way republicans and democrats could get together on at least tweaking that? >> you know i think we would all like to think the kind of urgency, whether from a national security or crime perspective as republicans are looking at it, or just from a humanitarian perspective which democrats are looking at it through, there is clearly an issue o

there is no doubt, jeh johnson is right. there is a crisis at the border.ution? the president now has said, he will take the draconian step of closing the border, the entire border, including the ports of entry. that would be enormously disruptive on both sides of the border. businesses will suffer, millions and millions of dollars in lost revenue. i think it will be even more chaos than we have now, in terms of cutting off all aid to affected countries in central america, you know i've said on the program before that i think the key to the border lies in the home countries of these desperate people, desperately poor people. we have to improve conditions in their country so they don't make the dangerous trek and flood over our borders, disrupting everything and upsetting everyone. brian: here in jeh johnson over the weekend saying something a lot of democrats will have a tough time running away from. listen. >> by anyone's definition, by any measure right now we have a crisis at our southern border. according to the commissioner of cpb, there were 4,000 app

a former obama administration secretary of dhs, jeh johnson said he cannot even imagine what it must be like to have to deal with such a tremendous surge of illegal immigrants. >> by any measure 4,000 arrests in a day, 100,000 in a month. that is the population of albany, new york. that shows up in our southern border in one month, is a crises. >> president's bold actions on border security need to be carried through by those on the ground. former border patrol chief mark morgan' join us. >> and radica radical dimms reen disarray as the president continues to win. leftest presenting to be shocked by attorney general barr testimony before congress where he said spy going occur. reported first by president himself. but they are surprised today. president trump slamming the political assault again him as a candidate and as president. from the very beginning. >> this is dirty politics, this is actually treason. a very bad thing that people have done. i just hope that law enforcement take its up. lou: radical dimms behind the spying should be nervous as well as those that department of ju

a former obama administration secretary of dhs, jeh johnson said he cannot even imagine what it mustsuch a

we have president obama's former homeland security jeh johnson referring to it as a crisis, i.c.e.are nonpolitical, saying they have never seen a crisis like this. whether you use terminology or not, you can't deny the numbers, historic trends 76 thousand migrants presenting themselves at border. we can be on track for a million in a year. but apart from that, think of custom and border patrol, they are asking for more resources. better physical security. at the border. and president said, he would consider shuts down the ports of entry because we just can't sustain the influx. the secretary of homeland security last night had to call. she is analogizing it to a cat 5 to get people's attention, some natural disasters, some crisis present themselves almost immediately, others overtime, that is what we have. the executive branch has been axing on this since day one, time for other two brarns o braf congress to step up do their job, let get congress to fix loopholes, a magnet for young kids to come here and be recycled like a conveyer belt for kids. >> we hav keep them together and re

i want to play a sound bite from jeh johnson, president obama's homeland security secretary.ake a listen. >> right now we have a crisis at the southern border. according to the commissioner of cbp, there were 4,000 apprehensions in one day alone this past week and we're on pace for 100,000 apprehensions on owrp southern border this month. gregg: and yet pelosi says what crisis? >> yeah, while we're trying to handle it, we're facing the crisis in states like arizona, these people say there is no problem, there is no crisis. and these ones scratching my head. in any other country in the world would you see over a million people illegally enter the country that will not be apprehended. we're going to apprehend a million, million and a half. but there will be another million, million and a half that we don't apprehend. here in coning w congress we cat the democrats and we couldn't get some republicans to come off last session. shame on us republicans. but i tell you what. we have to do something along the border. there are other avenues that we can take and the president is tryin

a former obama administration secretary of dhs, jeh johnson said he cannot even imagine what it must

. >> it's clear there is a crisis on the border and jeh johnson got a lot of political heat for having acknowledged that. >> this proposal has nothing to do with dressing the actual challenges at the boarderder. i think this is one of the worst abuses you can imagine. it's usiing government resource and law enforcement resources for political purpose with no government objective at stake. using them to retaliation against a political opponent of the president from the other party, a number of political opponents and doing it with actual human beings being pawns in this proposal. with no understanding or care of what would happen to these people, including children, if they are picked up and moved from one part of the country. where they may have no family members or networks. you have a white house that's unconstrained that usually govern presidential behavior and where one of the chief requirements for people in the agencies that work for this white house is a willingness to violate the law which fortunately, dhs was not willing to do. >> bring us up to date with where we stand with t

even obama's own secretary of department of homeland security from the obama administration, jeh johnson said this is a crisis. people are starting to understand exactly what the president has said was going to happen all along. >> in fact, the department of homeland security today said that already shifting customs and border protection personnel from ports of entry to areas where the border patrol operates between the ports of entry has had an effect. the brownsville border crossing had a three-hour wait to come in from the mexican side. that is double the normal amount of time. and in san diego, there was a 150 trucks backed up waiting to get in. dhs officials say closing the border may be just the sort of pressure that both mexico and congress need to get something done on immigration. however, democrats are saying closing the border would really be a terrible idea. listen to senate o senator hora. >> it's a terrible idea. it's what the cost would be that if he closes the border that is the third largest trade partner, trade country. so it's pretty crazy. >> i was in the oval office

trump: jeh johnson was great. a very strong statement. mr. morgan, for president obama, said this is a problem. has been, not just now. it has been going on probably the economy and other things have brought them up more. we've had some bad court decisions. the florence decision is a disaster. judge florence, where you may be, that decision is a disaster for our country. we are working on that. i want to thank you. what a good job you're doing. i appreciate what your doing. it will all come together. thank you. >> mr. president, i want to i thank you for coming down to see us and listing to our men and women and talk about the progress we're making. you will see that with the resources you have supported for the border. the wall is formidable. it's making an impact on the security of the sector, but we need to continue working with congress to improve the laws. when he partnership with mexico on these and attacking the chemicals that are exporting these individuals and the ones that are private -- profiting from this. i want to think by men a

. >> jeh johnson tried to stop the reign from happening, shut down the border. there are not plans in place to do so as what "the washington post" reported. >> it seems like he puts himself out there by saying that mexico have started doing good things and dealing with immigration. hey since i have been talking about this, mexico have done better. >> we have talked about fruits and vegetables and things like that but the complexities of cars, things will come to a halt. is. >> what economists say to thing to watch out for donald trump's presidency is how is the economy doing? >> we are ten-year into an expansion. what you don't want to do is exacerbate it. when a runner is running, you don't stick your foot out there. are you back? >> vhave a good afternoon. >> bye ali. >>> nato is much stronger because of that progress. that's what president trump had to say of his contentious connection with the alliance. the president praised the alliance he once called obsolete when we met with the general in the office minutes ago. >> we are proud of what happened the last

>> it does, and even jeh johnson, obama's dhs secretary in a moment of honesty came out and said listenon what planet is this not an emergency? lou, seriously the same rational people and in what world is it that you live in where 10,000 people plus per day approaching our border and entering the country illegally. the ones we know about, by the way. how is that not an emergency and is that per day it's not a monthly number it's a daily number. it's just stunning. we're arguing with people who have lost any more reality, any at all. lou: and maybe, maybe we've lost any claim to keep this country, if we are so stupid. when i call the government stupid, maybe it's cause the rest of us are stupid. we put this government together, we elect these fools that we send to washington. there are exceptions but i have to say, this president is facing the most stupid organization on this continent i think. >> bingo. no disagreement there. i listened to an election once, and he said something great. he said something the government is not too big it's just too stupid and as you can tell by this segme

>> it does and even jeh johnson obama's dhs secretary in a moment of honesty said on what planet is thisan emergency? seriously among sane and rational people and what world is it that we live in where 10,000 people approaching our border and entering the country illegally. the ones we know about by the way. how is that not an emergency? that's a daily number. it's just stunning. we are arguing with people who have lost any moorings to reality at all. lippe maybe have lost any claim to keep this country if we are so stupid. when i call the government stupid maybe it's because the rest of us are stupid. we put this government together. we elect these fools that we send to washington. there are exceptions but i have to say this president is facing the most intractable stupid organization on this continent i think. >> no disagreement here. my father said something great. not that the government is too big, just to stupid and as you can tell by this segment he was absolutely right. lou: thanks so much. great to see you. come back soon. up next a storm in the western hemisphere and who is pay

now, they have they can't deny there is a crisis because you have people like jeh johnson who is dhs secretary under president obama and other democrats coming out saying absolutely, there is a crisis at the border. what do you think of their pivot >> so they had to make this pivot. they've got two major problems on their hands right now going into 2020. the economy is doing extremely well and immigration is extreme ly poor so they have to acknowledge that otherwise they're going to get hit at the polls in 2020. when you look at this acknowledgment, you've got to understand i've been a border patrol agent for 21 years. i was in the middle of the last crisis that we had which was in the mid-2000s and this crisis that we're facing right now is much worse than that original crisis in the mid-2000s so they're having to acknowledge this otherwise they get hurt at the polls. david: but while they're acknowledging it they're putting the blame for it on president trump since they had to make that pivot they realize they could try to make political way of it but i'm just wondering because the

jeh johnson, homeland security secretary under president obama said as much on this very show couple weeks ago. you have cory booker, running for president the democratic senator from new jersey pretty much saying the same. so people recognize what's happening but they have different ideas how to address it. is the wall the answer or is the president in need of sitting down with democrats and finding a quicker, more comprehensive solution? or is there even time for that? >> you know, i mean there is always time. i'm not going to say we'll sit here and wave the white nag, we would never do that but there is a lot of factors at play, there is a lot of issues we need. the president has been asking for the wall for quite some sometime. that is something very important. it is shameful it has taken this long for other people to started a mitting there is a problem. there has been a problem all along of the president has been aware of that. he is asking for a lot of issues to deal with it and fix it. the wall is a big thing. there is a lot of other factors also in play that need to be done.

. >> he's a career guy with jeh johnson and his predecessor.omment from your calls to homeland. >> the super caravan which you go to the people, you expect the folks who know the most about it and i was able to get nothing. i guess you got to go to the source, the president. he's the one that puts his information in this tweet. are you getting your intelligence from? if i can't get an answer from the department that deals with this, what are you talking about? >> children were separated even starting before they acknowledged what jeff sessions announced, the separation policy. they had a trial program. they had no procedures for reuniting these families. you also have an i.c.e. crackdown on people that had been here for decades. a family of from chicago, man who had been here for 30 years and he was deported to mexico so his american kids, his three daughters, four daughters, i think including a disabled child are now have moved to mexico along with his wife to be with him. >> i'm done very similar stories where you have an american child going

to 165,000, even president obama's former security chief jeh johnson said this a crisis. >> this is. we should come together and fix this, and come together and come up with good guessworker programs and solutions for some problems. elizabeth: okay, but democrats are not held accountable for border crisis, they continue to block reform, republicans had reform on immigration this year, democrats won't do what canada does. there is a new republican bill, that would say to asylum seekers, you have to stay in your country if you want to file or in the mexico if you' to file for asylum. canada does that same thing. does not let asylum seekers in. i want to show democrat saying this is a manufactured crises. >> president trump is used government of the american people as a bargaining chip for his fabricated solution to a manufactured crisis. border emergency is nothing more than a manufactured crisis. >> president trump must stop holding american people hostage. stop manufacturing of crisis. >> i don't think i.c.e. today is working as intended. >> you should get rid of the agent. >> you sh

we have an issue where jeh johnson under barack obama says when you have about 4,000 apprehensions a day, we're in a crisis. so why hasn't congress done anything? >> a lot of this is all in the context and through the lens of the 2020 election. can we expect much to happen between now and the next president getting re-elected? i don't think so. everybody is trying to play the political card. even though there's general agreement that this is a problem and it's been a problem for decades and administration after administration has tried to address it and they failed. the president's point about mexico now turning back people at the border, that's kind of suspect. they have been doing it for years. thousands. they've been deporting thousands of people. they keep coming north because they see the bright lights of america. >> ed: you say something needs to be done. not likely before the election. need to get something done, nobody is doing it. >> move the election up. >> ed: thanks. we'll look into that. expecting to hear from the president live less than ten minutes. we'll take you ther

jeh johnson, barack obama's homeland security chief. brandon enjoyed on the phone with me.re talking about this in the crisis and everything before so many others were and are and i'm just wondering, there could be more cities like yuma doing this. >> i would expect they would be a lot more cities during this. when president trump says were going to transfer these individuals to sanctuary cities, it is to relieve the stress and pressure that's happening on the cities that have absolutely no fault. yuma is not asking to harbor these individuals or protect these individuals, but they are getting slammed right now. they are spending thousands of dollars every day trying to support these individuals that we have to release for one reason or another. >> neil: one idea that's been advanced, you know and we've discussed it, send a lot of these folks to sanctuary cities were mayors and governors of states like california feel that they are due protection. how likely do you think it is he would deliver on that? >> i think it's very likely that he will deliver in the short term. in t