. >>> right now, i'd like to bring in former secretary of homeland security jeh johnson. thank you for joining us. so far the president has not addressed the nation on any of this. instead he's taken to twitter over and over and he's speaking specifically about stronger police tactics. how is that supposed to calm this country down? >> steph, it won't calm the country down. the president needs to do more than simply sound like a sheriff from the deep south in the early 1960s. there's a lot a president can do starting with acknowledging that the grievance of those who are protesting peacefully is real. and it is valid. they are saying black lives matter.

i will talk to the former secretary of homeland security, jeh johnson. >>> also, bogota, toronto, london, paris, and down under in auckland. cities around the world have come out to protest the death of george floyd. how did the american angle go global? >>> and before the protests there was the pandemic, and covid is killing african americans disproportionately. harvard's david williams explains why. >>> but first, here's my take. i've not been one to argue that the united states under president trump is on the verge of turning into a tyranny. but left to his own devices, president trump would act little to the law or constitution. at present he's shown a willingness to shutdown investigations into his conduct, offer pardons to those the whose law breaking he approves of, punish media organizations and social media platforms that, in his mind, are biased against him. even many of his supporters would privately say, we need not worry about trump because his excesses are always checked. but the american system of checks and balances does not work through magic. it needs its other leaders.

the president doesn't understand. >> joining me, jeh johnson, in the obama administration and retired general mccaffrey. jeh, first to you. what should have happened monday? you are secretary of homeland security, you were, previously in the pentagon as general counsel and know rules and in charge of secret service, what should have happened to clear that park or shouldn't it have been cleared at all? >> well, in any situation like that, andrea, certain amount of discretion has to be built in to the considerations here. t the secret service has wide latitude to take measures in ordinary circumstances to protect the life of the president. that's their job. and, for example, if the president had gone to a service at national cathedral and was on his way back to the white house compound and protesters blocked the motorcade, the secret service would have considerable authority along with the park police, metro police to remove the demonstrators to get the president safely back to the white house compound. now, this circumstance, the president decides he wants to go for a walk in the park,

let's go to jeh johnson right now. this is a man well aware of a line behind righteous indignation and lawlessness as someone who was in charge of keeping the homeland safe. do you believe, my friend, that what we're seeing in the country right now will get us to a di t different place or is it more of the same? >> first, chris, it's good to see you back in the chair. >> thank you. >> particularly in your trying times. i believe that we're at a tipping point in our nation's history. i believe that the events of minneapolis last week were finally a wake-up call to all americans about what many americans have been saying now for years, that black lives matter and i can't breathe, and we saw a vivid display of that last week. the grievance is real. the grievance is valid. and all of us have now seen the evidence of it. we are seeing demonstrations across this country like we haven't seen since 1968. and so action is required. it is unfortunate that right now our national leadership, elected national leadership, seems unwi

to theup, we will talk former secretary of homeland security jeh johnson.ance of power" on bloomberg television and radio. ♪ david: this is "balance of power" on bloomberg television and radio. i am david westin. the tragic killing of george floyd minneapolis raised fundamental questions on civil rights and liberties in the country, as well as homeland security. we welcome jeh johnson, the secretary of homeland security under president obama before that, general counsel of the department of defense and is now with the law from a paul weiss. great to have you back, mr. secretary. before we talk about what we might do one police reform, give us your sense and nature of the problem. when you see some of these videos, not just george floyd, clelia something is wrong here. sec. johnson: when i look at that video of the officer snuffing out george floyd's life i putting his knee on his neck, i think there is no level of training that could eradicate that kind of depravity from someone's character your. -- someone's character. when i look at that video, the proble

. >> jeh johnson joins us, he was under president obama. evan was reporting on the president's claim he's going to label antifa as a terrorist organization. the biggest problem with that is the constitution. that's a pretty big problem. why do you think the president is trying to pin these demonstrations on antifa? >> because to some in his political base, it sounds good. thanks for having me on. we have fact checks. sometimes you need law checks also. evidence correct. first of all, antifa is a movement. it is not a discernable group of people. second, the state department has the authority to designate a foreign terrorist organization as such, like al quadea the islamic state which brings sanctions. there's no legal authority in the united states code or the constitution to designate a domestic movement as a terrorist organization. likewise, the president does not have unlimited powers to unleash the military here in the united states to make arrests. there is a law enacted by our congress in 1878 called the posse come to the as act. the

jeh johnson served as homeland security secretary under president obama. is. >> the state department has the authority to designate a foreign terrorist organization as such. there is no legal authority in the united states code or the constitution to designate a domestic movement as a terrorist organization. >> harris: former congressman trey gowdy chairs the house oversight committee and is a former federal prosecutor. great to have you on the program to talk about this. good to see you. >> thank you. >> harris: let's start with what those convocations would be. you heard the former lead security secretary, jeh johnson, talking about legally how you designate antifa as a terrorist organization. >> i don't think anyone knows. i don't think there is a protocol for identifying domestic groups as terrorists, and kind of the more important question is, practically, what does that designation accomplished? if bill barr which tell us, harris, if i get this designation i'm going to have access to charges i don't currently have and i'm going to have access to inve

. >>> right now, i'd like to bring in former secretary of homeland security jeh johnson. thank you for joining us. so far the president has not addressed the nation on any of this. instead he's taken to twitter over and over and he's speaking specifically about stronger police tactics. how is that supposed to calm this country down? >> steph, it won't calm the country down. the president needs to do more than simply sound like a sheriff from the deep south in the early 1960s. there's a lot a president can do starting with acknowledging that the grievance of those who are protesting peacefully is real. and it is valid. they are saying black lives matter. and i can't breathe. and we had a vivid example of what they are protesting against last week in minneapolis. in 1965, stephanie, lyndon johnson went to a joint session of congress and embraced the words "we shall overcome" of the civil rights movement then. i believe that a president in this situation should acknowledge the grievance of those who are protesting peacefully and acknowledge that black lives matter. that woul

joining me is former united states secretary, jeh johnson.igate it. >> first, it was good to be followed by my college classmate and friend of 43 years, marty king. when i was in office i was in honduras at the embassy and i met a young man that came to the united states when he was about three years old with his mother and brother way before daca. when i met him it struck me he was american in every respect. he looked, sounded and acted like an american. he was a new york giants fan and one day i.c.e. came along and scooped him up and sent him back to a country he didn't know at all and expelled him from the country he knew, and that shows the harshness of the immigration policies if exerted in a wrong way, and yesterday's decision by the supreme court in my view was a correct one. this administration, frankly, even if you are a hardliner you have to recognize that they have bumbled the way in which they handled daca. in part, i believe, because there's a divided point of view within the administration. i know there is within dhs about the f

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i don't know if you saw it, but i spoke last night with the former homeland security secretary jeh johnson, and he told me renewed efforts to remove confederate symbols around the country is very personal to him. i want you to watch this part of our conversation. >> wolf, i hope your viewers can see this. this is my great-great-grandmother, julia branch. she was a teenaged slave during the civil war. what the confederate flag represents to me and all other descendants of slaves in this country is an indication, a sign that my great-grandmother should have remained a slice fave for rest of her life. the confederate flag personally is offensive to me and many, many other people. >> i wonder, don, what you make of that personal disclosure by the former secretary. >> well, i think most african-americans can relate to what the former secretary had to say. i think the confederate flag and monuments, they're not a sign of progress. i think it's a sign of, actually, anti-americanism. i think they're symbols of regression. i think they're symbols of retrogression. i think it's symbols of decline. a

of african-american men who have gone on to provide leadership to this country, they range from jeh johnson, secretary of homeland security, martin luther king, lou sullivan, secretary of health, and invest in those organizations so that they can scale and there are many organizations i think that are out there that are already moving the needle, but we have not been invested in ways that allow us to scale. second, you know, when i spent a career consulting to organizations about this issue, just before i left to go be dean at georgetown, i arrived at a conclusion which is that for corporate leaders, it all lies in leadership, relationships and alignment. apply the same leadership that we applied when we were trying to master any business problem, we would lick this problem. relationship. most leaders in corporate america do not have in their personal networks people of color who they can talk to and have honest conversations and who can help them learn, and we learn from the people that we interact with. last is alignment, which is, you know, about asking the question what policies and pra

this morning i talked to former homeland security jeh johnson and asked him about what we can expect to hear. >> what do we need to hear, what does america need to hear from president obama today? >> craig, this morning i'm cautiously optimistic, cautiously optimistic that the violence and opportunistic looting is receding, but the grievance black lives matter is not. i think what is required of our national leadership right now is requisition that the grievance is valid, is real. i'm reminded of 1965 when lyndon johnson went to a joint session of congress to declare we shall overcome, literally embracing the words of the civil rights movement. i believe it's incumbent upon our national leadership right now to acknowledge the grievance and acknowledge that it is valid and acknowledge it is real as a first step towards healing our nation. >> i want to bring in michael long now, associate professor of religious studies and peace and conflict studies at elizabeth down college. he's also the author of the book "we the resistance," documenting the history of non-violent protest. you heard

. >> reporter: jeh johnson. >> reporter: hbo max owned by the parent company of cnn is even pulled thee with the wind" from its streaming. it's amazing how fraught it remains that the movie immediately shot up on amazon's best-seller list. still, it's all but enough to spur former president barack obama to speak out about it. >> kinds of epic changes and events in our country that are as profound as anything that i've seen in my lifetime. >> reporter: in so many ways, this moment does feel different than all the calls before, for these types of changes. but it still remains to be seen, if that will play out. and those changes will really come through. tom foreman, cnn, bethesda, maryland. >>> it is not just in the u.s., anti-racism protests are having an impact on entertainment in the uk, too. >> is there something wrong? >> stop talking about -- >> me? >> we did not start it. >> yes, you did, you invaded poland. >> the bbc temporarily removed an episode of the sitcom "faulty towers" from the uk streaming service, now says it's revising it. the episode included the famous line "don't m

. >> and jeh johnson, pentagon official before he was homeland security secretary said he did not think jim mattis would have done the same thing. jonathan, your thoughts about the protests, how they evolved. they seemed to have become more energized in the sea after that threat to use military force in the district of columbia, the one state that doesn't have a governor, because it's not a state, where they could arguably get away with it. there is also reporting in "the washington post" that they tried to impose force on the district and take over the local police but the mayor forcibly pushed back on that on monday. there was quite an argument about that. then we saw what happened at the lincoln memorial last night. >> right. i think that, one, very proud of our mayor here, muriel bowser for standing up for washington, d.c. for the people who live here. but i think it was a shock to the conscience of america, to folks washing msnbc or really anywhere watching television at that hour, watching people peacefully demonstrating at lafayette park and watching the military police and secre

i will talk to the former secretary of homeland security, jeh johnson. >>> also, bogota, toronto, london down under in auckland.

secretary jeh johnson, thank you very much for joining us today.ing up next, moments of unity between police officers and protesters. you're watching msnbc. so as you head back out on the road, we'll be doing what we do best. providing some calm amidst the chaos. with virtual, real-time tours of our vehicles as well as remote purchasing. for a little help, on and off the road. now when you buy or lease a new lincoln, we'll make up to 3 payments on your behalf. >>> welcome back. we've seen tensions flare between police and protesters at times, but we're also see moments of unity. take a look at this moment of the santa cruz mayor and the santa cruz police kneeling during a peaceful protest. chief mills said it's time to acknowledge abuse at the hands of officers and substantial change will take a concerted effort of integrity, humility, and a genuine sense of justice. chief mills joins me now. chief, thank you very much for joining us. what needs to -- what can change? can anything change in the immediate future to make it so that another black man

. >> jeh, johnson, former defense department general counsel, former secretary of homeland security in the obama administration, sir, it is an honor to have you here tonight, especially on this strange and dark day. come back soon. it's been too long. nice to have you here. >> thanks, rachel. >>> all right. we have much more to get to, here tonight. live images as you've been seeing from protests ongoing tonight around the country. stay with us. effortless is the lincoln way. so as you head back out on the road, we'll be doing what we do best. providing some calm amidst the chaos. with virtual, real-time tours of our vehicles as well as remote purchasing. for a little help, on and off the road. now when you buy or lease a new lincoln, we'll make up to 3 payments on your behalf. stimulant laxatives forcefully stimulate now when you buy or lease i switched to miralax for my constipation. the nerves in your colon. miralax works with the water in your body to unblock your system naturally. and it doesn't cause bloating, cramping, gas, or sudden urgency. miralax. look for the pink cap. yoo-

let's discuss this with with jeh johns johnson. thank you for joining us. so what's your reaction? >> this is true that sometimes a large law enforcement presence can be more of a provocation than a matter of public safety. and a judgment has to be made situation by situation. obviously, i can't be familiar with the situation on the ground in each of the cities. i do know, however, that i personally have participated in a peaceful march today and a peaceful march yesterday here in my hometown in new jersey. and the only police presence i saw was protecting the marchers and barricading the streets with their marchers safety. and so i think in these types of circumstances, it's incumbent upon law enforcement, first and fore fomost, not to be the provocative actor and to exercise common sense and allow peaceful protesters and marchers to go about their exercise of the first amendment when people are so angry about this situation across the country. and across the world. as far away as germany, a as you know. >> they certain ly are protestig all over the world. i had a chance in the la

community as opposed to within the community and earlier on "morning joe," the former dhs secretary, jeh johnson, suggested it kind of starts at the beginning. he's concerned about even the place where you're recruiting police in america. let me play a little bit of what he had to say. >> the it's plain to me at least that we are recruiting across our nation's police force far too many people who are not there to protect and serve and preserve the peace but are there to be the neighborhood bully, the neighborhood bad ass and that's what i think we need take hard look at. >> how much of a problem do you think that is and what can be done about it? >> so it's a range of issues and i think you're right that what we have to do is worry about conquering systemic racism. we have to worry about what it means to be safe. what does public safety really mean for everybody and it's a chain of events that sure, it starts with recruiting. we've looked at videos and one department might show officers repel iling from a helicopter while others who them working with a community. you're going fo get different ki