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joining me now is jennifer reuben. she is an opinion writer for the washington post, and msnbc political analyst, the host of the podcast, jen reuben screen room, and author of resistance, how women save democracy from donald trump with us as well. ruth ben-ghiat, a professor of history and wagyu, author of lucid, a newsletter about threats to democracy through our not subscribing through it, you must. she's the author of a very important book, strong men, from mussolini to the president. good morning to both of you. jen, in response to the special counsel's filing last night, i want to remind you you are trained as a lawyer, donald trump's campaign says his truth social post is quote, the definition of political speech. now, on the surface, a quote that says if you go after me, i'm coming after you,, gusher, that's political speech. but this is not in a vacuum. from a legal standpoint, tell me what you think of this? this is a guy who had just been a rain, to constantly says this is a witch hunts, he goes after the ad

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jennifer reuben is a opinion writer at the washington post in an msnbc political analyst. the book resistance, how women save democracy from donald trump. as we continue our coverage of the fulton county indictment, i would be remiss if i did not let you all know yet again that i read the document for you making it a little bit more digestible. you can scan the q r code right there on your screen, you can listen to the two part episode of msnbc's prosecuting donald trump podcast. i read it word for word, no editorializing. you can just hear the way it was written. on one more podcast note, if you like podcasts, i'm excited to announce that the velshi banned book club is now officially a podcast. we will bring you crucial conversations with authors and literary analysts right on your phone. the first two episodes will be available this thursday, august 24th. scan the qr code on your screen to subscribe to that you don't miss a moment of what we like to call reading as resistance. we will be right back. l be right back. why didn't we do this last year? before you were preven

it eugene daniels is a politico white house author, and -- he's also an nbc -- jennifer reuben washington -- jill, i've got to know what you make of today's court filings from trump's legal team and the judges very swift to weekend response. >> it's a very good sign. the judges in control. and not the former president or his lawyers. the treat was unwise, in saying it does nicely as i can, it is definitely viewed as a threat. and i don't know what he doesn't get about the original magistrate judge saying you cannot commit another crime while you are out on bail. or you will be held in custody. you cannot threaten or intimidate witnesses, or you will be taken into custody. i don't know whether that will happen now, but he's getting very close to forcing the hand of the justice system. >> yeah, jill, trump posting prior to this, that we were just talking about, if you go after me, i'm coming after you. the special counsel citing the post in request for this protective order. there's the post you referenced, attacking mike pence. when you talk about him not taking it serious, not understandi

she's, the co-host of the hashtag sisters in law podcast and washington post opinion columnist jennifer reuben. -- how is this process in georgia going to be different from what we have seen in federal court? >> it's going to be very different, because they have said that they are going to do mugshots and fingerprints, and he will be turning himself in at the fulton county jail, not in a federal building, not in a clean, nice environment. it is what we hear from the press, a really dirty, dangerous, scary place. so, it is going to be a very different picture. and i think the picture of him there, i think his experience of being in a real jail -- i can tell you the sum of the watergate defendants -- jail -- out -- move them to a -- base without being in -- so that they could cooperate -- in georgia this weekend. >> it is a must win state for republicans if they want to take back the white house 2020. georgia voters, they rejected trumpism by flipping the state blue, and fast forward to 2022, the senate runoffs, senator warnock defeated herschel walker by nearly 100,000 votes. last night, histor

and the host of fast politics podcast -- bloomberg opinion -- this evening, jennifer, i'll start with you. our own lucy reuben was inside that courtroom yesterday. she noted that the judge chutkan used the trump lawyers markup of the protection order us as the baseline of the -- making mostly opportunists based on their proposed added's. and this order isn't nearly as restrictive as the government had hoped. but how do you view the unresolved. is this a win for team trump or not? >> i don't see it as a win for team trump. what this is is a fair and balanced protective order which is designed to make sure that donald trump can't intimidate witnesses. and i expect that he will have trouble following guidance here. because i think he is going to take notes, i think he's gonna write down personally identifying information. and i think it is gonna be very hard for him not to attack the key witnesses when he is on the campaign trail. and then i think judge chutkan is going to have to find a way to enforce, and i think he is already hinted about what her remedy will be. >> ali, there are two courts that this trial i