so all those great scenarios that our friend jennifer rubin came up with, this gigantic analogy whichntered the white house because of his racist birthism conspiracy and is leaving the white house with a host of conspiracies about the election being stolen from him still will have this base, whatever portion of the committee votes for him, involved and they will be voting for the marjorie greens, the ronnie jacksons, the elizabeth qanon. they believe this. they'll believe anything that you say about biden and the conspiracy theories, impeachment crusades of fox news, breitbart and everybody else that's going to start, rudy giuliani won't let go of. so this party is still in the grips of a frenzy. trump saying he may still run in 2024, that freezes everything. ted, markham, nikki, josh, you name them. they cannot make a move because they're still being held hostage by trump and the base. >> well, isn't that true, michael? the lesson of 2020 is that people like lindsey graham got re-elected, people who were complete suck ups got back in and cory gardner tried to stay out of the way. you

using this by aoc and you've seen it by jennifer rubin so what do you make of this?t a tweet saying, not only should there be a black list of everyone who is associated with the campaign but also wants a blacklist of anyone who talked about what we talked about today which is if you talk about election fraud you should be on that blacklist and she calls for anyone like that to be exiled from society and to not be given a job in the government or in academia and in private industry. i'm just wondering how they pick the location yet for the gulag or detention camp where i will be sent for just talking about this kind of thing? mark: she of course, is a whack job, but a columnist in my opinion for the washington post who i am sure she will be forever -- why don't they take some of those sites were fdr ran up japanese-americans or those of japanese descent? i know they loved fdr. hans von spakovsky i want to thank you my friend and be well. >> thank you for having me. mark: we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ this is the feeling of total protection now that we protect your identity

let's discuss it with jennifer rubin, opinion writer for "washington post." she's also an msnbc political contributor. jennifer, good evening. >> good evening. nice to be here. >> good to have you with us. i am decreasingly clear on what to think of this gsa thing because sooner or later, the logical part of my brain says, well, the ascertainment has to start at a certain point, sooner or later the dam is going to theater is going to end. the curtain is going to go down on it, somebody from the biden team will say, hand the keys over. is this bound to end or is there more going on here? >> i wish i could say it would be bound to end, in fact, it should have ended weeks ago. as ron klain, the president-elect's chief of st f staff, has said, this is not a finding of a winner, she's not declaring the winner. all she is saying is that there's an apparent winner. no one doubts that there's an apparent winner. and this person, unfortunately, has tremendous importance, tremendous power because after all, she is the one who's going to set off a whole string of events

let's discuss it with jennifer r rubin. an msnbc political contributor and reporter for "the washington post." thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me here. >> sooner or later the logical part of my brain says the ascertainment has to start at a certain point. sooner or later the dam is going to break and this political kabuki theater is going to end, the curtain is going to go down on it, and sooner or later, someone from the biden team is going to be like, can we have our keys, please? are we naval gazing at all? is this bound to end or is there more going on here? >> i wish i could say i knew for certain it should have been bound to end. in fact, it should have ended weeks ago as ron klain, the president-elect's chief of staff, has said. this is not a finding of a winner. she's not declaring the winner. all she is saying is that there's an apparent winner. no one doubts there's an apparent winner and this person, unfortunately, has tremendous importance and tremendous power, because, after all, she's the one who i

meddy hassan and jennifer rubin join me now. jennifer, let me start with you on this. i think the psychology is interesting because it's not unexpected. this is how they have behaved for four years more or less. but the stakes seem higher to me here. do you acknowledge it and all this reporting about, well, give him his time. he needs hi blankie. he needs his naps and everybody just be easy with him and we'll get around to it. will they get around to it? >> this is my question. they always have some excuse not to. oh, well, we have the georgia senate elections coming up. we don't want him running as a third-party candidate. oh, we don't want him messing up somebody's campaign for senate. there is always an excuse to enable this guy, suck up to him, and they live in dire fear of him and his red-headed horde, and i think that mentality is not going to disappear for a long time. you know, behind him is don junior or eric. they will always find a way to cower because they live in fear that the base, which they need to rev up and make nuts and make crazy, will turn around a

s>> jennifer rubin wrote in the washington post and david rubb wrote in the new yorker. this will pass. joe biden will be sworn in as the next president. the underlining damage to democracy. the scar not just to american democracy, but the symbol of american democracy in the world will be damaged by what we are seeing right now. >> sure. if you allow me a boxing analogy. muhammad ali fought an otherwise forgotten guy of henry cooper in the uk early in his career. cooper hit ali with a left hook and knocked him down. ali got up and rallied and won the fight. it seems to be a blip. years later, when ali fought the wars with joe frazier, joe frazier hit him with left hooks. what was in that moment, muhammad ali's weaknesses had been exposed. that is essentially what has happened with trump and the trump administration. we have seen the ways in which you can gain american democracy and the particular threats that can be instituted by them. we suffered far more damage than the glancing blow of someone knocked down and comes back and wins the fight. we have substantial damage

victoria, there's a question here from jennifer rubin, which is how can president-elect biden institutional in departments like the state department? i'd like to ask you that and a link to tamara and eric were just saying about leverage because we often hear that the biden administration ought to use this leverage and that has been bequeathed to it. i wonder if you might talk about how it might generate leverage and if there's anything that we have all learned from the trump administration in terms there occasions where they did generate leverage even though people did not necessarily think it would work, and they didn't have a strategy to negotiate on it, but were there things that the obama administration could have done more of to generate leverage? what is sort of your thinking on how a biden administration might be able to create leverage of its own that it can use, you know, over the subsequent four years? and i just mean that in terms of we often hear reinvigorating diplomacy, diplomacy is personnel, resources, buildings. and a lot ofrategy experience negotiating and with some pretty

. >> jennifer rubin, conservative commentator in t"the washington pos post", wrote today, it is no consolation, indeed it is worse, that mcconnell and the rest almost certainly know trump's claims are a joke and incapable of overturning an election. they apparently are willing to damage democracy. other democracies looking on will be horrified. dictators will find vindication in republicans' refusal to accept the results of an election. so she's also speaking about the longer-term damage and the damage to america's role on the global stage. >> yeah. i mean, look, there's a basic question of principle here. the basic question of principle is that we have a legal and ethical means of changing leaders. this is hard-fought and hard-won. democracy is rare. democracy is fragile. people have made sacrifices over the generations for it. people are still making sacrifices for it. even the poll workers who you've mentioned, you know, thousands and thousands of people who work very hard while taking a lot of flak. they're making sacrifices for this principle. and this principle is one which rises or fall

and as bob bauer was mentioning in an answer to a question from jennifer rubin on that zoom call today, he's targeting philadelphia and wayne county in michigan, detroit. he's going after majority african-american areas. so there are legal predicates. >> yeah. >> if they do choose to fight what's going on here, under the civil rights act, under voter suppression, voting rights act. >> that's right, andrea. giuliani also went after the cities of atlanta and milwaukee, both of them also majority african-american, both of them also gave huge margins of victory to joe biden as they have historically for democrats in those cities. look, that press conference yesterday really i think speaks to the desperation on the part of the president and his team. they have made a number of legal challenges in the courts. all of them have been rejected. they've been unable to prove any sort of widespread fraud or irregularity that they claim in the courts. and so we now see a shift taking place, where this is moving into a public relations fight, an effort by the president to use the power of his office,

. >> martha: jennifer rubin wrote this in a "the washington post" op-ed titled time to call out the g.o.p.'s new jim crow's tactics. we very not seen a coordinated will effort in this magnitude to disenfranchise african-american voters since the jim crow era. this should remove any doubt that the trumpist republican party, is unlike many right-wing populist parties in europe, is at its core a racist enterprise. how d discuss that. >> a president who has funded hvcus at higher level and created opportunity swons. and republican party that had offices in urban areas in black community to turn out the black vote to compete for the black vote this election. that's why you see 73 million people vote for president trump, the highest of any president in history because of our outreach. and we are making inroads with hispanics and african-americans and asian americans because of the economic opportunity and the things that this party stands for. so, i'm sick and tired of people calling republicans racist and dividing our country. you are making our country more divided. we are reaching tout every

when you play jennifer rubin, she has no idea what people think of what she just said and what that peopleink of what she just set our 51-55% of the people, so we are creating two different nations, not just ideologically and culturally, but geographically, and we know how that went in 1860, so it is something to watch out for. the people haven't spoken out yet. we get little tremors, but the earthquake hasn't come, and if they keep pushing it, i'm really afraid that things are not going to be good. >> tucker: i -- i fear that come too. but in the meantime, it is thanksgiving, and we do have much to be thankful for, as you just said. victor davis hanson, thank you so much. >> we do. >> tucker: amen. >> thank you. >> tucker: so, a year ago, it was hard to tell what was going to happen in the election. looked like donald trump was going to have a pretty easy path. that has changed. so, what happened? and what can republicans learn from what happened? that's next. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: by now, you've probably seen all of the exit polls and vote or analysis you want to see, ready for the rest of your

. >> jennifer rubin, conservative commentator in "the post," former republican, wrote, it is no constellation, indeed, it is worse, that mcconnell and the restd almost certainly know trump's claims are a joke and incapable of overturning an election. they damage democracy and further divide the country as to cast the lawful winner as ill little le jimt president and avoid trump's wrath. other democracies looking on will be horrified, dictators will find vindication in republicans' refusal to accept the results of the election. so talking about the damage of america's role on the global stage. >> yeah, look, there's a basic question of principle here. the basic question of principle is that we have a legal and ethical means of changing leaders. this is hard fought and hard won. democracy is rare. democracy is fragile. people havey made sacrifices or the generations for it. people are still making sacrifices for it. even the poll workers who you've mentioned,er thousands and thousands of people who work veryeo hard, all taking a lot o flack, they're making sacrifices for this principle. and thi

joining me now is alexi mccammond, timothy o'brien author of "trump nation" and jennifer rubin opinionter for the "washington post." jennifer, as a, you know, minted republican what's your take on this, having a side event during one of the most important pieces of transferring power from one president to the next? what's your take? >> i think it's somewhat ridiculous and it's also a good test for the media, frankly. there is absolutely no bigger story than the inauguration of joe biden and no one should cover trump's [ inaudible ]. this is his pathetic -- jumping up and down, me, me, me. in point of fact he is going to do all sorts of things and he is not the center of our political life anymore. he is not the story. i think kamala harris may have been amused that this is now republicans' problem to deal with. he is the one who is now going to be hanging like a dark cloud over the 2024 wannabes, so let them cope with him and they should ignore him thoroughly and get on with the business of governing the country. >> tim, i want to talk this whole thing that we're finding that one of th