[applause] >> okay, joining me now, jeremy peters report of the new york times and charles gorman, formerk prosecutor, not civil rights lawyer and msnbc legal analyst. that is a, jeremy, i was told you are kind of laughing at all of that, and fighting words from steve bannon. how are you surprised me the backlash, if at all, and what are the most striking revelations in the testimony that have been revealed so far? >> so, i think fox news, it was a surprise a lot of people to learn has always been viewed somewhat skeptically, especially in the last 56 years or so by donald trump's base, trump has attacked them, as we've seen time and time again, whoever trump attacks, and calls a rhino, a republican name only, that tends to stick, and the biggest threat to fox news as we've seen in the pages and pages of testimony, and evidence that's been released so far as they were terrified of losing the audience, because once they did the right journalistic thing, and said that donald trump would win, would lose arizona, and would lose the presidency, the audience revolted because trump revolted. so