dave and i and jerry hinson had never met before that day. to get acquainted after something like that was really interesting. and a musing -- and a moving experience for me to go to jerry hinson's home and see his family and to know that it was like -- it's one of those "it's a knowrful life" moments, to he wouldn't have been there if not for dave tarantino and i and moment,t serendipitous that we happen to find him and happened to be the right guys to get him out and a happy ending that would never have occurred. that wonderful family ending and embracing this wonderful man never would've occurred. there's many ironies. jerry hinson had flown multiple missions over vietnam and only to die at a desk in the pentagon would have been the irony of it all. but he didn't, thank goodness. this quadrennial defense report was turned in. i was glad to be a part of it. even more poignant to me is what happened over the ensuing 12 months at the pentagon. at the pentagon for another 18 months after the pentagon. i had another two or there. and every day,

admiral thomas: jerry hinson. great guy. great guy. i had never met him before. his best friend also died that day. his pooka mate, the guy he shared a small office with. jerry lived and jack punches died. they were literally feet apart. and why one and not the other, it's like me and my friend. why him and not me? ironically, i saw the flight path of the airplane that flew into the pentagon. it actually made -- it had made a pass over the pentagon and had come into high and come in for another attempt. the first path that it took, if it had been lower would have taken it into my corridor, into the corridor where i was sitting. it would've, i hope, spared my friend. the ironies of that day are legion. so anyway, the day continued. i was trying to set up triage and trying to assist with finding other folks. i saw some really incredible first responders. the pentagon police force was magnificent. no one knew what was going on. no one knew. we probably at this point -- everybody had either seen or heard of the second airplane into the twin towers. was there going to