and that is how we got jesse helms. and jesse helms, senator helms, ultimately got to the senate too late to stop that hated voting rights act the first time around. he didn't get there until the 1970s. when the voting rights act was up for reauthorization for the first time in 1982, jesse helms filibustered it, in his words, until the cows came home. he did everything he could to try to get rid of the voting rights act. that was in 1982. 1983, he led an epic filibuster of the federal holiday that would honor martin luther king. when he finally relented with his martin luther king filibuster after days of stopping that holiday, the a.p. interviewed him about what he had done. this is kind of amazing. stumbled across this today. i was looking at old newspaper clippings. "he said in an interview that he realized his opposition to the bill and comments about king had angered the black community. but helms said he didn't expect to get much black support in his re-election bid anyway. "i face reality. the blacks have a histo

and know is how we got jesse helm, and jesse helm, senator helms, ultimately got to the senate too late to stop the hated voting rights act, but when it was up for reauthorization for the first time in 1982, jesse helm filibustered it in his words, until the cows came home, doing everything he could to get rid of the voting rights act. that was 1982. in '83 he led an epic filibuster with martin luther king jr. when he finally relented, the ap interviewed him about what he had done. this was kind of amazing. i stumbled across it today looking at old newspaper clippings. quote, he said in an interview he realized his opposition to king and his comments angered the black community. but he said he didn't expect to get much black support anyway. he said i faced reality, the blacks have a history of voting democratic down the line. jesse helm did overlap with one african-american senator during his entire tenure in the united states senate. carol moseley braun. famously he got into one of the elevators with her and the senator from utah. and he looked at her, and then he turned to orrin hatch

i unloaded on jesse helms. i said, he has no social redeeming value. he does not care about the disabled, and on and on. he took his corncob pipe out of his mouth and said, "what would you say if i told you that in christmas of 1969, this was 1973, jesse and dot helms were in their living room reading "the raleigh observer" up in raleigh, north carolina, and there was an advertisement for a young man with braces up to his hips and with steel crutches, saying, all they want for christmas is somebody to love me and take me home?" he said, "what would you say if i told you that jesse adopted that man?" that is his own son. i said, "i would feel like a fool." he said, well, he did. always, joe, it is appropriate to question another man's judgment. it is never appropriate to question his motive, because you don't know the motive. what is happening today in washington is all about motive. if you disagree, you are a bad person. you are immoral, this or that. jason gets it. he gets what this country is about. we have gone from crisis to recovery to resurgence.

this is no longer jesse helms north carolina.say the same thing in state after state including a place like arizona. >> true. what is ohio? what is pennsylvania? means something very different than a few years ago. trump and clinton, the names on the ballot today. who do you think the bigger winner is beyond them right now? >> a really good question. you know, it's funny. all i can think of is how much work there will be for either of these people to do. when they are elected. >> hmm. >> because we've got the most -- the most disliked, distrusted people to ever be on the ticket. and no matter who wins, they're both going to have work to do in their own parties as well as for the country by and large. so it valley extraordinary. >> you -- >> the end of the, the great senate race, robert redford wins the election, looks in the camera, what do i do now? >> maybe easier to answer who's the biggest loser than the actual winner? unfortunately -- >> it's not paul ryan. it's not the senate. it's not, all of the conventional winners and l

i have many meetings with jesse helms. and it was very much against what was going on at the national endowment for the arts. but he and i found a way for it to be a really find such -- southern gentleman. there were some things that never changed. however, i try to look at every human being as i try to look at every creature on the planet. sme to great we work together now. i would have a very tough time with what's going on. but i will find common ground somehow. it's important to protect the wildlife of the world right now. and they have to do it as much for their kids in the generation that follows. i'm not to let these elephants go on my watch. [applause]. thank you very much for being here.

jesse helms joked about the president being assassinated if he came to north carolina back when bill clinton was president. thanks for joining me. >> thank you, chris. >>> still ahead, the state of the race eight days out, coming up. >>> legality of the actions of north carolina elected republican officials has once again been called into question, this time in a lawsuit alleging the state board of elections in three individual county election boards are purging voter roles in a manner disproportionately targeted against african-americans. naacp claims, "canceling the voter registrations of thousands of north carolina voters has been targeted" and the lawsuit offers details on the disproportionate impact on black voters for example, in beaufort county, black voters make up 65% of the challenges even though the county is 26% african-american. there's an emergency hearing on that lawsuit on wednesday in u.s. district court in winston, salem. all of this may sound very familiar. it was this past july that a federal appeals court struck down a north carolina voter i.d. law saying its pro

describe that resulted in that new jersey nationwide consent decree was also engaged in by senator jesse helms north carolina in the past decades. but yes, in addition to -- and then the voter suppression law that actually north carolina represented north carolina naacp in that case where they tried to do the most restrictive photo i.d. in the country and tried to take away same-day registration and take away a week of early voting and take away the wrong precinct battle county. and the court stepped in. so i'm hopeful with this latest victory that just came out today with the federal court ruling and the monster voter suppression law and with continued vigilance and the fight back empowers voters. so we're telling voters do not be intimidated. intimidation is illegal. and the people who do it should be arrested and they should be prosecuted. >> people should be vigilant about it and also determined that nobody's going to pressure them out of exercising their right. penda hair, lead attorney representing the north carolina naacp and the legal director of forward justice, a real activist on thi

jesse helms joked about the president being assassinated if he came to north carolina back when billon was president. thanks for joining me. >> thank you, chris. >>> still ahead, the state of the race eight days out, coming up. ♪ ♪ and the seagulls they'll be smilin' ♪ ♪ and the rocks on the san♪ it's so peaceful up here. yeah. [eagle screams] ♪ that the whole wide world is watchin'... ♪ introducing the new turbocharged golf alltrack with 4motion® all-wheel drive. soon to be everywhere. [dance music playing] [music stops] woman: looks like it's done. [whistle] [dance music playing] [record scratch] announcer: don't let salmonella get funky with your chicken. on average, one in 6 americans will get a foodborne illness this year. you can't see these microbes, but they might be there. so, learn the right temperature to cook each type of meat. keep your family safe at foodsafety.gov. >>> legality of the actions of north carolina elected republican officials has once again been called into question, this time in a lawsuit alleging the state board of elections in three individual county el

you still have the urban and rural divide the people that used to vote for jesse helms, used a democrat and are now republicans and there are a lot of them in rural areas into the urban areas are pretty blue across the country. >> the president speaking to visit to the state, donald trump and north carolina first day, what is their message and who are they appealing to a? >> guest: i think trump is appealing to the people he has appealed to that most of his rallies in fact he's having a rally in a rural area near charlotte that is in the same arena he's already had one this year, so he's going back to his stronghold which is in rural north carolina so it's those republicans that are at the base of the support and president obama is going to chapel hill at the heart of the triangle in a college town. a lot of young voters there and then h he's also going to fayetteville and charlotte, fayetteville has college presentpresence and of course my presence and large african-american presence. we don't know what the venues are yet but this is a big urban area. by 100,000 votes years ago. >> bas

describe that resulted in that new jersey nationwide consent decree was also engaged in by senator jesse helmsng others in north carolina in the past decades. but yes, in addition to -- and then the voter suppression law that actually north carolina represented north carolina naacp in that case where they tried to do the most restrictive photo i.d. in the country and tried to take away same-day registration and take away a week of early voting and take away the wrong precinct battle county. and the court stepped in. so i'm hopeful with this latest victory that just came out today with the federal court ruling and the monster voter suppression law and with continued vigilance and the fight back empowers voters. so we're telling voters do not be intimidated. intimidation is illegal. and the people who do it should be arrested and they should be prosecuted. >> people should be vigilant about it and also determined that nobody's going to pressure them out of exercising their right. penda hair, lead attorney representing the north carolina naacp and the legal director of forward justice, a real act

in north carolina, this is not the north carolina of jesse helms. >> i was looking online at the censssenscensus increase. so, you know, that's an emergent picture. >> a lot of northerners, if that's the right word, has moved there. >> yankees. >> yankees is the right word. >> its demographics have changed. rebecca, is it going too far when everyone watches election night who won north carolina, that will tell you who won the presidency? >> i will argue it will if hillary clinton wins north carolina because, as matt was suggesting, donald trump's path to 270 just sort of disappears. maybe if he's able to pick up an unexpected state like michigan, pennsylvania, colorado, but right now he's losing in those states by a pretty significant margin and unlikely at this stage that he will close the gap in those states. then, if hillary clinton picks up north carolina, what is his path to 270? it doesn't really exist. >> then we had the bizarro moment yesterday of melania trump being on the trail. she hasn't been around for a while especially after she was in cleveland and they threw her under

i have many meetings with jesse helms. and it was very much against what was going on at the national endowment for the arts. but he and i found a way for it to be a really find such -- southern gentleman. there were some things that never changed. however, i try to look at every human being as i try to look at every creature on the planet. sme to great we work together now. i would have a very tough time with what's going on. but i will find common ground somehow. it's important to protect the wildlife of the world right now. and they have to do it as much for their kids in the generation that follows. i'm not to let these elephants go on my watch. [applause]. thank you very much for being here. and doesn't look great for the environment. we have a president-elect who says that climate change is across from china. do you have any encouragement i don't think we can talk to this mean about anything. i don't know how you feel about that. i'm not the only one. we see that his appointed people in big oil fracking, quail we hav

still have an urban-rural divide with a lot of the old crowds can be people who used to vote for jesse helms, used to be democrats are now republicans and a lot of them in rural areas. the urban areas are pretty logistic across the country. >> host: with the president making to visit to the state, donald trump back in north carolina on thursday, what is the message and who are they appealing to? >> caller: welcome i think donald trump is appealing to the people that he has appealed to vote at his rallies. in fact, he's having a rally in a rural area near charlotte that is insane every ali had one rally this year. he's going back to his stronghold which is rural north carolina and again it's the jesse kratz turned republicans who are the base of his support the president obama is going to chapel hill which is in the heart of the triangle which is a college town. a lot of young people, young voters. and then he's also going to fayetteville and charlotte are fayetteville also has some college presidents and, of course, military presence and a large african-american presents. and charlotte, we d

elected, not appointed in north carolina's history will have served longer than i will that is jesse helmsf the six years, it will be time to let another generation get in on the action by serving in the united states senate. so tonight, to each each of you, i think you from the bottom of my heart for this victory which will be the capstone of my public service. this victory is as much yours as it is mine. thank each and everyone of you for being here. god bless this country and god bless each and everyone of you. [applause] >> senator burr's opponent spoke at her head order in north carolina last night. [applause] >> you are a hard working, good looking crowd. i love you too and i love the people of north carolina. well, it's not the outcome we wanted but i have zero regrets. it has been a huge honor to run to be your united states senator and i want to thank you for all the time and effort that you have put in to this election. it has been an election of a lifetime. serious issues have been put out there and you have worked very, very hard. i want to thank my husband who stood by me. he

i unloaded on jesse helms. i said he does not care about the disabled and he has no social values. pipe out ofcorncob his mouth and said, "what would you say if i told you that in christmas of 1969, this was 1973, jesse and dot helms were reading the observer and there was an advertisement for a young man with braces up to his hips saying, steel crutches, all they want for christmas is somebody to love me and take me home?" "what would you say if i told you that jesse adopted that man?" i said, "i would feel like a fool." it is never appropriate to question another man's motive, because he don't know the motive. what is happening today in washington is all about motive. if you do not disagree, you are a bad person. jason gets it. he gets what this country is about. we have gone from crisis to recovery to resurgence. now it is time to restore the middle class. it is the single most significant responsibility we have as a nation. and that -- [cheers and applause] know when you read the press, they call me "middle class joe." that is not a compliment in washington. i am pretty darn so

i unloaded on jesse helms. i said, he has no social redeeming value.es not care about the disabled, and on and on. he took his corn could be pipe out of his mouth and he said, joe, what would you say if i told you that in christmas of 1969 -- this was 1973 -- jesse and dot helms were in their living room reading the raleigh observer in raleigh, north carolinaand there was an advertisement for a young man with braces up to his hips and with steel crutches, saying, all i want for christmas is somebody to love me and take me home?" he said, "what would you say if i told you that jesse adopted that man as his own son?" i said, "i would feel like a fool." he said, well, he did. he said, joe, it is always appropriate to question another man's judgment. it is never appropriate to question his motive, because you don't know the motive. what is happening today in washington is all about motive. if you disagree, you are a bad person. you are immoral, this or that. jason gets it. he gets what this country is about. we have gone from crisis to recovery to resurgen

used 11 urban-rural divide with a lot of the old jesse kratz, people used to vote for jesse helms, used to be democrats are now republicans and a lot of them in rural areas and in the urban areas are pretty blue just like across the country. >> host: with the president making to this to the state this week, donald trump in north carolina on thursday, what is the message and who are they appealing to? >> caller: well, i think donald trump is appealing to the people that he has to appeal to most of his rallies to contact he's having a rally in a rural area near charlotte that is in the same arena where he's already had one rally this year. he's going back to his stronghold which is rural north carolina, again it's those jesse kratz turned republicans who are the base of his support. i'm president obama is going to chapel hill which is in the heart of the triangle which is a college town, a lot of young people, young voters, and then he's also going to fayetteville and charlotte. fayetteville is also has some college presidents and, of course, military presence and a large african-american

still have an urban-rural divide with a lot of the old jesse crass, people who used to vote for jesse helmsed to be democrats are now republicans and a lot of them in rural areas and then the urban areas are pretty blue just like across the country. host: with the president making two visits to the state this week, donald trump back in north carolina on thursday, what is their message and who are they appealing to? guest: well, i think trump is appealing to the people that he has appealed to at most of his rallies. in fact, he's having a rally in rural -- a rural area near charlotte that is in the same arena where he's already had one rally this year so he's going back to his strong hold with the rural north carolina and, again, it's the jessecrats turned republicans who are the base of his support. and president obama is going to chapel hill, which is in the heart of the trin -- triangle, which is cleage town. a lot of young people there, a lot of young voters. he's also going to fayetteville and charlotte. fayetteville also has some college presence. of course, military presence and a lar

used 11 urban-rural divide with a lot of the old jesse kratz, people used to vote for jesse helms, used be democrats are not republicans and a lot of them in rural areas and in the urban areas are pretty blue just like across the country. >> host: with the president making two visits to the state this week, donald trump back in north killing on thursday. what is the message and you would be appealing to? >> guest: well, i think donald trump is appealing to the people that he has to appeal to that most of his rallies but, in fact, he's having a rally in rural come a rural area near charlotte that is in the same arena where is already had one rally this year. he's going back to his stronghold which is rural north carolina, again is those jesse kratz turned republicans. who are the base of his support. president obama's going to chapel hill which is in the heart of the triangle which is a college town. a lot of young people there, young voters. he's also going to fayetteville and charlotte fayetteville also has some college presidents and, of course, a military presence and and large afric

and that's jesse helms and [indiscernible] [applause] but at the end of this six years, it will be timeo let another generation get in on the action by serving in the united states senate. so tonight, to each of you, i thank you from the bottom of my heart for this victory. it will be the capstone of my public service. this victory is as much yours as it is mine. thank each and every one of you. bless this country. god bless each and everyone of you. [cheers and applause] which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] north -- host: north carolina's richard burr explaining that it will be his last elected office. we are listening to calls. victory andwatching concession speeches and watching the results of the presidential race as they come in around the country. as senator burr was speaking out toarizona, senator mccain the podium. he is still speaking. we don't want to join item progress. finishesait until he in a few minutes and then turn right around so you can see it from the beginning. john mccain seeking reelection this year. he was the republican no

so, this is no longer jesse helms' north carolina. and donald trump had three offices in north carolina, hillary clinton had 33. >> and texas, 38 electoral on the board. and donald trump, the projected winner. matthew dowd, democrats hope the state is changing, but not quite yet. >> yes, there was a huge increase in latino vote, but it seems to have trended back. i think what you're going to see is a less of a margin a typical republican gets, but it's still kansas, six electoral votes. republican dominated the state, it goes again to the republican, donald trump. state of nebraska, five electoral votes. donald trump, only projected to win four. the second district, it's a place that the clinton team is very hopeful to pick up. >> they paid some attention to omaha. >> and not just omaha, states they never paid attention to before. arizona, who would have ever thought we would be talking about arizona. texas, they had hopes there. they were even looking at utah. this map has changed for them. they have their we will see. >> a lot of re

elected, not appointed in north carolina's history will have served longer than i will and that is jesse helme and sandberg then. -- sam ervin. [applause] at the end of his six years it will be time to let another generation in on the action by serving in the united states senate. so tonight to each of you, i thank you from the bottom of my heart for this victory which would be the capstone of my public service. the state tree is as much yours as it is mine. thanks each and everyone of you for being here. god bless this country and god bless each and every one of you. [applause] he's not ♪ >> deborah ross spoke at her campaign headquarters in north carolina last night. [cheers and applause] [applause] >> you are a hard-working good-looking crowd. i love you, too. and i love the people of north carolina. well, it is not the outcome that we wanted, but i have zero regrets. [applause] it has been a huge honor to god to be your united states senator. and i want to thank you for all the time and effort that you put into this election. it has been an election. serious issues have been put out there