>> i just want to say who cares what jesse jackson tweets? jezy jackson has no elected office. he is not a police authority. this is something different when the law of police authority stands up and makes -- whether i agree there shouldn't be any violence. what jesse jackson and i say doesn't have the same impact as what law enforcement says. and so, perhaps, sanford police may also want to say going forward, if we, god forbid, find ourselves in this situation, this is what we might do better, how about a statement about that. so, and by the way, having mediators during the concern that the million hoody march brought is not quite the same as law enforcement. >> laura: why the heck do you need mediators? if everyone concerned is just going to be peaceful and i think they pretty much were peaceful at that event, why do they need mediator why didn't the justice department, that is the government, richard, that is our government, they felt the need to get involved. >> because that was a phone. >> details but did he make the comment about if hay son that looked like travon, he did

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do you think there are efforts now to repeal stand your ground as jesse jackson is calling for?ppen in states or potentially in congress? >> well, i don't think it can happen in congress because these are state laws. it's not a federal law. in the case of florida, i know that -- that governor rick scott met with protesters this weekend who were demanding that in tallahassee. he said no. he doesn't intend to do that. he's surgeonly n lcertainly notl a special session of the florida state legislature which is out of session right now to do it. he said this all came about because of a special commission back in 2005 that examined stand your ground. it should also be pointed out in the case of stand your ground that while blacks represent only about 15%, 16% of the population in florida, they have filed fully one-third of the claims for stand your ground in murder cases that they were involved in. much more than their proportion of the population. this isn't something that's being used by whites to kill blacks. it's being used, in fact, more by -- more often by blacks than whites. >

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same prosecutor in same jurisdiction. >> reverend jesse jackson. thank you so much for joining us tonight. i really appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> when we talk about justice for trayvon martin, there will be no justice in some ways. marissa alexander has the rest of her life ahead of us. if there's a concrete thing done in the wake of this, some small concession made to equal justice in her law, it would be a pardon for marissa alexander. joining me now is shalamis, associate professor of english and after heather mcgee. great to have you here. next steps, justice for trayvon. the hash tag and on the sweatshirts. justice for trayvon meant an arrest, a prosecution. now there's the verdict. what does that phrase mean, and there's a few things i see circulating, right? stand your ground laws. there has been tremendous amount of confusion about the role that stand your ground played in this trial, and i, myself, having looked into it remain somewhat confused. >> right. >> what is your understanding? because there's a lot of conservatives are saying,

i sit down with the reverend jesse jackson. >> you keep fighting and you fight until there's no moreight in you and the struggle continues. >>> then, we ask the question, what does it mean to be black in america today? that's what's going on in "our world" up next. [ tires screech the pilot's a friend of mine. you can trust him. you were never good at that. what? judging character. [ man the avalon's here. ♪ this was never about me. [ tires screech you set me up? ♪ [ woman i had no choice. ♪ [ female announcer the 2013 toyota avalon. experience the thrilling conclusion at onlythename.com. toyota. let's go places. ♪ >>> for six decades the reverend jesse jackson has been on the front lines in the struggle for freedom and justice keeping hope alive for millions around the world. >> when parents and teachers join hands together, children have a foundation. >> i sat down with reverend jackson to talk about his journey and where he's headed next. reverend, so good to see you. >> same to you, sir. >> how did you get involved in the struggle for freedom? how did you become such a part of th

leadership of any kind, reversal necessary because of tone they took, the passions of the moment, but, jesse jackson referring to florida as a apartheid state. what in the world could he have been thinking? what is your thin your thinking? >> there is a difference between passion we have seen from reverend jackson and sharpton, and president obama i would say i think that president obama has come late to this issue, fact he is coming to the issue when the country is so divided over a criminal case? makes it all the more controversial. and ot effective if he had -- he tried to have a national conversation about race away from the case, away from you know division that we're seeing, i think it would have been a more productive conversation, now reverend sharpton, and jackson, we know they will go to extremes when it comes to language they use around this but they are also, missing the boat when it comes to whether the biggest issues they should be focus on, you have national attention if we get everything we want in florida, if is is as he said an apartheid state which is ridiculous, there would be a

joining me reverend jesse jackson, president of the rainbow push coalition.ood morning. >> good morning. >> got to ask you, you know, first question, obviously, what was your reaction to this verdict? >> frankly, i'm stunned over this disgrace, this tremendous miscarriage of justice. when the jury says, not guilty, he's at least guilty of murder. an armed man racially pursuing and profiling a young african-american boy and kills him. and in this case, the prosecutor denied -- should i say, ignore the matter of race. and the defense denied it. the fact of the matter is, this is a pattern of behavior young african-american men. it's very painful. >> i want to ask you about the makeup of the jury. you tweeted this after the verdict was handed down. you tweeted, the jury, no black and no men, was always suspect. do you feel this affected the outcome, the makeup of the jury? >> well, it was a stretch trying to avoid the obvious. you speak of a jury of your peers. there was no man on the jury. trayvon martin was a young man, no black on the jury. so jury of your pe

other african-american voices besides, jesse jackson. bill cosby who is a great icon in the african-american community for a whole bunch of reasons said he didn't think race was the primary factor in this. in fact he said he stopped watching the high profile cases since what is her name -- the woman is accused of killing her kid. >>. >> there is a double standard when it comes to race. a daily in georgia reported four african-american gang members attacked a white man like trayvon martin and he was forced to flee and fled in the street and hit by a car and killed. there is no national attention to that. that is a double standard. >> there was piers morgan and he had rachel jeantel. and next day they said he was one smart cookie. so larry elder reacted with a tweet. piers morgan describes rachel as one smart cookie. et it explains the 19-year-old is still in high school. they accused of morgan of trying to convince her that she is a victim. when they got into it on morgan's program it was interesting television. >> it was. as cal said the

jesse jackson said when i'm in a dark alley and see white people, i feel relieved.s is something that permeates both races and all races and it's common sense. this is not an irrational response given the data. >> paul: the president talked in personal terms and so did eric holder to the naacp. he said basically i have been stopped in georgetown as a young prosecutor when i was late to a movie running to a movie. they are both saying this is why this case resonates so much with people in the african-american community. isn't responding to that sense because anger at some point. is that an appropriate role for the president and attorney general? >> i think the more responsible thing for them to do in the positions that they hold is to say that the black community needs to talk to black leaders, parents, children, ministers, teachers, what have you, but this is conversation we need to have about black behavior. what i saw the president doing in this conference, i saw barack obama as community activist. >> paul: really. >> activists don't unite people. they divide peop

let's hope, though, in their desire for conflict put on jesse jackson versus larryeleder and let them duke it out. >> too much racial hype? or is it appropriate? >> i think there is an excellent piece by rich who writes for the national review. he had a piece in politico he said okay, let's talk about race. let's talk about black on black violence. let's talk about the other issues that aren't being talked about because we are all enjoying this one so much. i really think that there is a place for calm, reasoned debate. we are having some of it but not enough of it. >> i want to say if conservatives are so concerned about black on black crime, it is concerning the only time i hear them talking about it is when they want to stick it to the black community zpi that's what it seems like. right now that's the favorite topic. tomorrow i can a among conservatives is to talk about black on black crime. black on black crime is a -- year-round problem but now let's -- everyone is obsessing about it because they can push, you know -- >> let me just judgment in here for a second. the day after w

based on what you see from al sharpton, jesse jackson, people like juan williams say it is sharpton, jackson that want to keep stoking this controversy and he says they refuse to live with this verdict, and juan says i have a big problem with that. >> it seems a little overwrought, like they're trying to live in the past. i don't think this case, if they were going to make a stand, try to change something in the community, change america, there are many other issues they could have chosen. why they chose this one that had the thinnest of evidence, and the prosecution could not get a jury to decide what they wanted, call for a violent protest, they're not calling for a violent protest, calling for a protest. if you think back to last summer. remember we did stories about flash mobs and violence, sometimes in the summer in july in particular you tend to get this type of spontaneous eruption. this is more of a planned thing. but i think that the occupy movement actually has more to do with this than maybe you would have thought of last week. they needed something to do and they're fueli

jesse jackson said when i'm in a dark alley i look behind me and see white people. i feel relieved. this is something that permeates both races, all races, and it is common sense. this is not an irrational response given the data on crimes. >> it is interesting. president talked to -- so did eric holder, earlier this week, to the naacp. he said basically i had been stopped in georgetown as a young prosecutor when i was late to a movie running to a movie. and -- they are both saying that this is why this case resonates so much with people in the african-american community. isn't that -- responding to that sense and -- becomes anger at some point, frustration certainly. isn't that -- an appropriate role for the president of the attorney general? >> well, i think -- the more responsible thing for them to do and the positions that they hold is to say that the black community needs to talk with black leaders and parents and children and ministers, teachers, what have you, but this is a conversation we need to have about black behavior but what i saw the president do in this conference ca

but jesse jackson referring to florida as an apartheid state, what in the world could e have been thinkingyour thinking? >> well, i think there's a difference between the passion weave seen from reverend jackson and sharpton and from president obama. i would actually say that i think president obama has come very late to this issue and the fact that he's coming to this issue when the country is so divided over a criminal case makes it all the more controversial and not effective. if he ad -- he's tried to have a national conversation about race away from a case, away from the division that we're seeing. i think it would have been a much more productive conversation. now, reverend sharpton, reverend jackson, i think we know that they will go to extremes when it comes to the language they use around this. but they're also missing the boat when it comes to what is the biggest issues they should be focusing on. when you have national attention like this, if we get everything we want in florida and if it is, as he says, an apartheid state, which is a bit ridiculous, if he got everything he want

>> what bothers me about it is that jesse jackson that said we would henceforth be african-americans. he moved us from blacks. that's why i rejected it. >> you're agreeing with that. >> sean, i look forward to the time and day when whether it is black american or african-american, we completely get away from hyphenated americans. if we are going to be -- we are americans period. we are going to make the transition the way we need to. and america come to this revolution of our constitutional boundaries and come together as a country moving forward, we have to start seeing ourselves as americans. owe don't go to french and see black french or brown italians. we are americans. that african-american, not -- >> we are americans but a certain kind. we are americans like everyone else and really eject jesse jackson's parody. >> go ahead. >> using the less tactics, we should reject that every opportunity. the less that we put people in boxes. we are women and men. i refuse to be placed in their box. i have never been in their box and never been to africa. i'm black. it's okay. if you want to

american like everyone else, and i reject jesse jackson self-segregated term. >> the left puts people in boxes. the left says war on women, war on the block man, identity politics, i refuse to be placed in their box, i've never been in their box. i've never been to africa. i'm black. it's okay. if you want to be african-american, or anyone wants to be african-american, that's fine too. but someone who is a charla tan like jesse jackson shouldn't define me in any way. >> the culture, it's american, not just blacks. anyone can come american by coming to this country, going through the process, any country in the world. what's unique about this country, you can keep your italian, irish, heritage wherever you come from. >> making fun of my irish family? >> yes, i am. i have irish in my family too, so i can do that. my point, you can become an american, anyone from anywhere in the world can become an american. why do we self-segregate, let's focus on what really matters. >> god -- god did not make us color blind. okay? good gave us the ability to see in color. i look at white, i look at bl

not a man. >> bill: jesse jackson? >> when he went to moore house, what happened? oh i hope is he going to be critical when he goes to the naval academy and talks about sex scandals. >> bill: grievance. >> he is more powerful than them and overcome that. >> bill: ignore it, go around them. >> this cause forever with you, with valerie jarrett irrelevant, with the president they think they should do it. i keep saying you have got to get out there. he is a great example. he and michelle and the kids. what you need is something where people would say specifically, here's steps can you take to help yourself as opposed to making yourself into a loser and -- >> bill: i have got to go but i sat there. >> zimmerman is elmatic. marijuana possession. >> bill: zimmerman, martin was a tragedy. the justice system worked. >> oh, come on. >> bill: stop it it, juan. you know that was a fair verdict. don't give me any of that crap. based on the law. >> there is no justice for that dead kid, come on. >> bill: you know it was fair -- you don't like the justice system redesign it. the

. >>> bill o'reilly giving hell to president obama, reverend jesse jackson, reverend sharpton and so much more. >> president obama and the race problem, that is the subl of this evening's talking points me memo. the president delivered surprising marks to the press about the trayvon martin case and race in general. >> there are very few african-american men in this country who haven't had the experience of being followed when they were shopping in a department store. that includes me. i don't want to exaggerate this, but those sets of experiences inform how the african-american community interprets what happened one night in florida. >> and that's true. many black americans harbor at least resentiment for past injury. what president obama surely knows is that you cannot reach a fair criminal verdict or design, effective public policy that solves present problems by dwelling on the sins of the past. talking points believes the president was correct in addressing the race issue and framing with the martin case. he's the leader of america, and the country's talking about this. by the wa

we have civil rights leader reverend jesse jackson.alm whatever the verdict. now you have seen what the verdict is, and for the most part as i said, the protests have been and rallies have been peaceful. will you join them? >> absolutely. i think the protests are understandable and should take place. there should be dignity and discipline and not discredit the legacy of trayvon martin. if they become violent it shifts sympathy to george zimmerman who does not senator it and takes away from trayvon martin who deserves it. this is a case of a young man doing all the right stuff, going home, attending to his business, unarmed and a grown man assumed he is not in the right neighborhood and pursues him and against application objections kills him and he walks away free. it is stunning. >> in members -- in america, justice is when you are charged, innocent until proven guilty and a jury reaches a decision based on the evidence in the case, the information they see that decision and we call it a verdict, and it is rendered and that is justice

but jesse jackson and al sharpton have a responsibility to ensure that african-americans do not try toct negatively to this. that's what leaders are all about. >> al is a talking head, he's already cooked the books expecting some of this stuff. >> he was out front in the beginning of this case, we have press conferences with trayvon martin's parents. where is he now? >> does that mean he shouldn't do it now? he can still do it. >> bob, i'm actually agreeing with you. >> is it racist so assume that there's going to be rioting among certain communities. isn't that in itself racist and how come what racism is somehow allowed? i don't know. seems strange. >> what a conundrum. >> it is a conundrum and i don't even know what it means. >> perhaps bob do you think the president should comment on it? he says he doesn't comment on the trials, but he commented on this, he said if he had a son, he would look like trayvon. should he speak up and say something to prevent any violence? >> if he's found not guilty, we all ought to get on tv and say you may not like this verdict but the important thing

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i remember having a fight almost a fight with jesse jackson about when jackson was complaining about in the minority communities, the store at the end of each block was owned by jews, 40, 50 years ago. he said, that's where we get ripped off. then it was the koreans and then it was somebody else. i said, jesse, why doesn't somebody who is black buy that store? why not? >> access to capital. >> well, he couldn't make that argument because he could get access to capitol. >> -- capital. >> bill o'reilly is fired up on the race debate. he talked to a leader in the african-american movement and community. listen. >> we both want the same thing. you and i want the same thing. we want civility. we want safety. and we want prosperity for all americans. particularly those -- who are disadvantaged. >> absolutely. but i'm telling you, there is a hust net civil rights industry. there is a grievance industry that makes a lot of money off division. it is not being challenged by anybody but me. i am taking it a lot of heat for doing it. last word. >> bill, let me say this. americans do have an oppo

don't we need time to think this through. >> jesse jackson's comments besides the ridiculous comment, did he essentially call the jurors stupid. you don't hear women's groups saying we needed a man there to get the truth to come out? i don't think he has a lot of credibility because he called for the u.n. human rights council to investigate this. >> he has credibility in the black community. th trial is over. we accept that. it did raise a lot of fear and anger in the black community and they want to vent it and they should vent it. >> there was a "time" magazine cover. what i find interesting is they are saying what happens to america after this? it is really about the media. after trayvon what happens to the media after polluting this conflict. they talk about repercussions of the verdict. what about repercussions of you? >> i really think this next topic is -- >> they look white. >> can you help me with something? i think this is a guy thing because i don't know about whitey bulger. >> talking about your pants being white. >> he is a criminal on trial. one of the main witnesses was

i remember having a fight literally, almost a fight with jesse jackson about when jackson was complaining about in the minority communities the store at the end of each block was owned by jews, 40, 50 years ago. that's where we got ripped off. then the koreans came in. i said jessie, why doesn't somebody black buy that store, why not. >> access to capital. >> he couldn't make that argument, i knew he had access to capital. >> last night, talking to one of the leaders in the african-american movement, community. listen. >> we both want the same thing. you and i want the same thing. we want civility, safety, and prosperity for all americans. particularly those who are disadvantaged. >> absolutely. >> but i'm telling you that there's a hustle in the civil rights industry, a grievance industry that makes a lot of money off division, and it is not being challenged by anybody but me. i am taking a lot of heat doing it. last word. >> bill, let me say this, americans do have an opportunity to express themselves, to express their grievances against the government, against the nation, but we also h

let me say, jesse jackson deserves some credit.y years he talked about babies having babies, gone in the black community to do that. i think they're afraid to go in there and do that. at the heart of all this, at the heart of it and o'reilly touched on it, drugs. drugs rip apart families, drugs are the reason they have gangs. drugs are the reason people get shot. drugs are the reason for the most part, for the fatherless families. >> he says that, talks about the narcotics and is there a supply and demand issue on the drug piece? >> for me, it seemed like the whole talking points memo was a set up for final comment, time president obama and jesse jackson and other african-american quote, unquote leaders to lead the way out of this, quit blaming slavery decades ago. lead the way out of it. the only way to do it is emphasize the family. >> thank god for grandmothers, by the way. >> at this point with 73% of babies born out of wedlock at this point and growing for hispanics and whites, we have a national problem, but maybe it is exace

what we're hearing from fox news is benjamin crump, al sharpton, jesse jackson these are hustlers andching, and that they're race baiting and seek writly led by the new black panther party. these are direct quotes from fox news channel. what's the reaction of that audience? >> i'm sure it would be very negative. i saw an interview with benjamin crump talking about he and his partners trying to figure out if they wanted to take the case. they did it knowing that there would be no profit for them. al sharpton has been doing this type of civil rights work for years, and if people do not go out and add vote on behalf of the voice list, then what? there's a saying that the master's tools cannot dismantle the master's house. when the justice system was created, african-americans were enslaved. this system was not created to protect us. even when talking about the jury and the jury selection look at the number of registered voters and people of color. this is the type of thing that the naacp is doing registering everyone, people of color but everyone to vote so that we can have people of col

>> clearly, jesse jackson does not know the facts of the state of texas.t know raul torres or aaron pina or the hispanic republicans who have been removed from office because of the action of democrats. what people fail is that instead of tex -- the state of tex as is changing in a meaningful way. the republican party has made deep and abiding connections in the hispanic community. and then the democrats rush in and the obama administration rushes in to try to disrupt the connection we have established with the hispanic community in the republican party. >> eric: do you feel that the election system is fair, as you say, holder's complaints are irrelevant? >> we believe that eric holder, for one, is basing his complaints, going back to 1970, when it was democrats who controlled the state at the time, that were discriminating against african-americans and he's basing it on two cases that the united states supreme court has now overturned and vacated the ruling of. so i believe it is unfair, inappropriate for eric holder to base his decision to try to bail te

i'm up against time, but before i let you go, i know you've been covering the jesse jackson jr. trial, i do want to hear the latest here before i say have a great fourth. >> i ran into jesse jackson jr.'s dad in chicago and we thought the it would be today. but they've put it off until august 14th. if you're in that family you have a month more of stress. but the suspicion is that the judge will hit him with a stiff penalty, and whether she also hits his wife who also copped a plea remains to be scene. however it plays out, it is, you know, it's a mini american tragedy. great promise absolutely, totally scannedderred. >> michael: that's what it is, in fact. have a wonderful holiday. >> thank you. >> michael: a bill that would outlaw sharia law and language that would restrict women's rights. i'm telling you they want to restrict women's rights underneath sharia law. plus we're talking about issues that no one else will here in the war room. we'll keep that going today with the conversation with the drug war. and the president of bolivia's flight gets delayed, and no he was not o

. >> reverend jesse jackson joins christine romans on "your money" which starts right now. >>> protests in streets of america crying out against racial inequality away from the courtroom. there can be no debate. racial inequality exists. african-americans lag far behind whites. the u.s. is a country where the unemployment rate for black americans has long been double the rate for whites. 43% of african-american households own their own home. compare that with 73% for white house holds. the only color that should matter when it comes to money is the color green yet the economic disparity between black and white is simply undeniable. in 2011 the median net worth of american households was more than $110,500 for whites, almost 18 times the median net worth of african-americans, about $6,000. that grab grew significantly in the wake of the financial crisis? why the disparity and what can be done about it? talking race in america is never comfortable. it's a discussion long overdue. reverend jesse jackson founder and president of rainbow/push coalition has seen it all from historic marches o

we have jesse jackson calling for a boycott o a state that is one ofhe most ethnically and racially diversetates in this country. this is the kind of righteousness that we've got to inspect a little. because it turns out, it's ignorance posing as righteousness. we nee to change just as you said at the outset, the character of the conversation about race. i think we've got do it soon. because some people are getting carried away. meanwhile, we have 40% unemployment among black in this country. 23 mlion people unemployed or underemployed. the fact of the matter is, we have spefic issues with young blacks in this country that have to be addressed and understood. and as you said, create a national conversation. juan, i'm going to give you the last word here. >> you know, i mean, to my mind, a lot of what you s from jackson and sharpton is about two guys who i think are still caught up in a mold that goes backo the '50s and '60s and they've made it into your business, lou. that's my uncharitable description of those two. on other side of that fence, i understand there are lots of poor black peop

with me is the reverend jesse jackson who joins us from chicago. >> to you too, judge. >> it's nice to have you here, reverend. are you concerned about the issue of violence as it relates to a possible acquittal of george zimmerman within the community? >> i hope that will not happen. hopefully we'll choose due process over any kind of street justice. his parents do not want any such riots or behavior. it would tip the scale of balance of, should i say, sympathy from trayvon to zimmerman, and trayvon deserves sympathy and zimmerman does not. we've been here before and out of our frustrate engaged in riots and behavior. a lot of innocent people have been killed. we hope that will not happen. i hope that the outcome of the jury will cool any temptation to do that. >> and reverend, last year your tone was somewhat different as it relates to what had happened to trayvon. i mean, you seem to have softened compared to what you said in that spot. >> my resolve is as strong as it was. an innocent boy going to his home, his father's castle, trailed by or st

was not about race at all and what happened, you have the race hustlers and poverty pills like jesse jackson and al sharpton and others who turned it into a race issue in order to gain power and wealth. and you also have barack obama jumping into it by saying that if he had a son, he would look just like trayvon martin. and i thought that was insane for him to ever that type of comment. he only did that because he wanted to insight the anger of black americans and others. i've -- this case is about overturning stand your ground laws and also about more gun control law, getting more gun control law passed and it's about al sharp ton and jesse jackson and naacp and others using black americans by dividing the races, intimidating white people in order to gather more power or get more power and wealth. it's not about -- >> let me ask you this, though, if for argument sake the facebook billionaire owner mark zuckerberg famous for wearing hoodies, had he been walking where trayvon martin was at 7:00 at night on a rainy night and george zimmerman seen him, do you think he would have reacted the sam