is this just as i said to jill, an average -- >> average life for trump. you know, this is playing out just as we drew it up back in -- >> oh, sure. >> we forecasted this. >> you knew it. >> we knew it. but this is the deal. this is a reality tv presidency, and everything is an episode. every day is an episode. and events, big events, become part of the series. so he's already set up a future series when he talked about, you know, that there may be more meetings with kim jong-un down the road. so, you know, you're building up to june 12th, which is a big day. and then there's going to be, you know, series after that. and that's how he does it. and i think, you know, as he was just saying about didn't expect this to happen, how can you because for him, it's a spontaneous moment. he probably thought about these pardons on the flight from washington to texas. he may have thought about them five minutes before he got off the plane. no one knows, not even his own staff, how this plays out. the administration is in large measure in a reactive mode. the press is

jill: it is not my project. my book. tour those who were who were interviewed, could you share something about your experience question mark ? . here are the people. are you one of them, ma'am? >> is there anybody in that category through would like to speak? -- who would like to speak? it was veryerviewee exciting. there were a number of years apart and playing both roles, but i have the privilege of getting deep into the history of the national women's law center and during an interview which has been on pbs and the c-span and is a wonderful, wonderful interview, very profound, then i had the privilege of being interviewed in energy law, which is a pretty rough and ready kind of place to start out. [laughter] more amusingf the and less amusing stories from that, but it takes tremendous dedication to do the interviews, both coming and going sides, and taking an awful lot of time, and .t bears a lot of old wounds tough, tough sometimes. >> to think back on one's earlier years. >> it's not out of the woods yet, so to spea

jill is here to explain the steps you should take if you find yourself in that very scary situation. >>> the sunrise sunset report is sponsored by kelly moore paints. the weather -- go where the pros go. the painters paint store. pet owners may be facing with their furry friends. dr. jill chase joins us now to talk about what you should do if your dog >> every friday we check in with our pet expert. dr. jill chase joining us now to find out what you should do if your dog is bitten by another dog, get into a fight, or bites another person . >> this is kind lana, my daughter. she has been on a couple of dock. she is very comfortable on the set. we will see if she can behave herself. i actually get asdog a doight. either there& or another dog got bitten by their dog. the thing is, what you need to know is, some areas of the city obviously have leash laws. the dog can be off leash, and that's okay. of the areas of the city, not so much. let's say you are walking on the sidewalk, your dog is on the leash on the other dog is not at attack your dog. that person is liable for the bite wounds

jill chase joins us every friday we check in with our pet expert to tackle issues that pay owners may face with their furry friends. the topic today is a tough one to address. hopefully you're not eating lunch right now. it is diarrhea and cats. doctor jill is joining us now. >> we had a viewer right in saying their kitty has had diarrhea for a couple months right now. they want to know what to do about that. it has many causes. it provided a graphic that will show that. basically, what we do as veterinarians, you want to contact your veterinarian, and we take a detailed history when we hear that an animal has diarrhea. fhabe going . what the stools look like, how often they happen. if there is any history of them potentially eating something. did the a -- did the owner change the food. and after that we do diagnostic testing, including a fecal sample. that can be negative even when parasites are present, so that does not necessarily mean no parasites. my owners know i will say that forever. we can oftentimes have to run the samples a couple times to know they are truly negative. if t

thk you, jill. t wasa very thoughtful and consuming, time-consuming process. a lot of people certainly had their chance to comment on the art work. but i do think these first three pieces are so important for setting the tone for the island. it would be our first public pieces it's worth it to take the time to make sure what is being done is going to be what will set the standard for the rest to come. again, i think if the artists who have been asked to give more conceptual designs back to us, if they are not satisfactory or if there's another direction which the steering committee would like to go, we can discuss it at that time but that process would be, but i would want us to have the courage to reconsider, if thandeed the . and i think arfrthe tida board, we wait to see wha the results of the conceptual designs are and then we will xt s the decisions about the ep. but there's much to consider. i think for antony gormley's case. the particular image thathe had was not as emotionally responsive as we uld have liked, so we are asking him for more concept and

jill schlesinger joins us with more on this. jill, first of all, what is the impact on consumers? te reporter: well, this deal makes at&t the largest pay tv distributor in the nation. and think about this-- at&t will have 25 million tv customers. they want to acquire all of time warner's assets. that includes hbo, warner brothers and turner broadcasting. turner's cable networks include cnn, tbs, tnt, and at&t will have control over popular shows like "game of thrones." consumer advocates were worried that this deal could mean higher for non-at&t customers who might ghve to pay more for this programming. >> glor: jill, a lot of companies looking to scale up and get bigger right now. how does this impact other potential mergers? >> reporter: securities lawyers that i spoke to say this could to the way for something omlled-- you ready for this-- a vertical merger. a little confusing. but this is the combination of o mpanies that do not produce competing products. in this case, one makes media content, the other distributes it. so health care companies, media, and telecom companies, t

and jill wine-banks, former prosecutor and contributor, as well. >>> san francisco. protests begin in the cities. a nationwide protest movement today. we've seen them on the east coast. we've seen them in the central part of the country. down in el paso, texas, now and we focus on the west coast. our coverage continues in a moment. when we were dating, we used to get excited about things like concert tickets or a new snowboard. matt: whoo! whoo! jen: but that all changed when we bought a house. matt: voilà! jen: matt started turning into his dad. matt: mm. that's some good mulch. ♪ i'm awake. but it was pretty nifty when jen showed me how easy it was to protect our home and auto with progressive. [ wrapper crinkling ] get this butterscotch out of here. progressive can't protect you from becoming your parents. there's quite a bit of work, 'cause this was all -- this was all stapled. but we can protect your home and auto when you bundle with us. but we can protect your home and auto i needthat's whenvice foi remembered that my ex-ex- ex-boyfriend actually went to law s

jill wine-banks is still with us.u had to file those disclosure forms in the white house. what what do you make of these disclosure forms? >> well, it's a minimum of $82 million as filed in blocks, and it might be as much as $220 million. >> because they provide ranges. >> ranges yes. i mean -- mean, there is nothing i can say. it's just really stunning the amount of it. and as you mentioned, $4 million of it came from her share, ivanka trump's share of proceeds from the trump international hotel where lobbyists, where foreign officials, foreign lobbyists show up and essentially pay cash into the trump family pockets. it is hote clause. the guests check out. ivanka trump cashes. in. >> and jill, a judge hearing the emoluments case has been saying -- making rulings lately favorable to the plaintiffs in the emoluments case exactly t what ron'salking about. >> i would say it's about time because it seed obvious to me from the very beginning that this is your classic case of why people should not have two jobs. and not on

jill.nd if you have questions about your pet's health, e-mail us at pets @ kpix.com, and we'll have dr. jill give us answers every friday right here at noon. we'll be right back. >> in this week's edition of where's roberta, we take you to san antonio, texas. we're here at the alamo. we're going to talk about the big battle. we'll also taste some delicious tex-mex and tex nex. maybe you could save energy by weaving your own shoes... out of flax. or simply adjust your thermostat. do your thing, with energy upgrade california. >>> today's tip of the day is going to be washington state cherries. i did a tip on bing cherries in june, middle of may from california. stocktonarea, the valley. these are from the northwest. they're a little bit bigger. and they're a little bit darker than the ones we're getting from california, and the season is much longer. what you want to do, when you buy them, look at that bag very careful. you want to make sure they're dark. they're big. free from any shrivelin

jill wine-banks, thanks so you as well. >>> no soup for you. virginia restaurant refusing to serve sarah huckabee sanders because of the man she works for. the white house press secretary not the only one who says the nation's capital has been less than hospitable to young trumpies. details after the break. g? [ roar ] rated pg-13. ♪ now that i'm on my way ♪ do you still think i'm crazy standing here today ♪ ♪ i couldn't make you love me applebee's 2 for $20, now with steak. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. when it's your mission to get a better hot dog in every hand, well, you gotta make... a better dog! that's what oscar mayer does every... single... day. our dogs are totally free from artificial preservatives, any added nitrates or nitrites, and we waved bye-bye to by-products. and we're taking those better dogs to the ends of the earth... the top of the world... and everywhere in between. why? so you can get back to eating them, scratch that, back to loving them. oscar mayer. for the love of hot dogs. (car horn) you finished prep

reporter: jill -- sarah: jill, go ahead. reporter: does the president really believe that crimea is part of russia? because everyone there speaks russian? and the second question, the president has said that kim jong un told him that north korea is destroying -- sarah: let me answer your first question. i'm not aware of any comment like that. i know it's been reported but i'm not going to comment on a private conversation i wasn't a part of that i don't have information on. second part. reporter: the president -- [inaudible] -- that north korea was working to destroy a major missile engine testing site. is that the site? sarah: we'll have specific details later. we're working with the department of defense and we'll make sure we get you guys that information. trey. reporter: two questions on i.g. report. earlier this year the president suggested that the d.o.j. inspector general was, quote, an obama guy. how does the president view him today and does he feel this investigation -- [inaudible] -- sarah: again, the president th

please welcome jill abraham hummer back to the ford library. [applause] jill: thank you so much. it is such an honor to be back here. thank you to the foundation for providing the initial travel grant that allowed me to come here about 13 years ago to do the initial research on this project. i am thrilled to be back, especially as part of the betty ford centennial celebrations. i will start on a personal note. i have to say that out of all the first ladies, i probably feel the most kinship with betty ford. this is a picture of betty ford and her young family, along with congressman jerry ford. betty ford had four children. i have four young children. i can relate very much to this picture. [laughter] prof. hummer: we all know betty ford was famous for her candor. i really found it refreshing how she spoke with such frankness about how crazy life was with little kids running around all the time. when she said that her son mike, " "felt about naps the way he felt about beets." [laughter] i thought, betty, i understand. when during a rainy summer, she let them go to a candy store an

>> jill, thank you. >>> the power of social media, a facebook fund-raiser has taken off, and it continues to rise. right now people have donated $14 million. this makes it the biggest facebook campaign ever. a silicon valley couple who worked at facebook launched it just a few days ago. their initial goal was $1,500. the money will help provide legal services for undocumented

jill, i kid. how does your view of truth and the reporting differ from the version we just heard from the president there on social media? >> well, i mean, get your viewers to correct me if i'm wrong here. i certainly don't remember reading any reputable news outlets raising speculation about plastic surgery or her being abused or abducted or living in some other country. in fact, the president of the united states is the only person i can recall recently making some crude jokes about somebody potentially having a facelift and spreading that rumor back when he was in the spat with the "morning joe" hosts a couple of months back. that said, look, the president and the first lady have a different relationship than a lot of people are used to seeing of the first lady in the white house. she's not accompanying him on his foreign trip right now to canada and to singapore. she has had a -- defined her role differently. there are two people who describe themselves as very independent. and they're also tw

jill, you first, before the president went to canada, he said russia should be welcomed back into the and then today, you know, he's blaming his predecessor for having kicked out russia. so how does this impact the relations between the u.s. and the other g7 allies? >> well, it certainly creates real problems between the united states and its allies, because after all, you know, the allies and the united states have sanctions precisely because of the annexation of crimea. and also because of the intervention and the invasion of ukraine by russia. you know, i think you back up and you say, okay, what really is going on here? i think president trump looks at this in very transactional terms, you know, crimea, okay, they got it, he can blame obama, but essentially, you know, it's theirs, so what do you do about it? it is not based on, let's say, the principles, you know, rules-based international order as he's talking about, and the rules-based international order says you don't take parts of other countries. that's the principle. remember, donald trump is the disruptor, so ideas like th

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they want him to be indicted for as many different crimes as he can just as jill said. if he's indicted in the state, g it takes away the rdon power because trump can't pardon anybody who has got state crimes. there are plenty of ate crimes here, money laundering, tax evasion. if he was involved with respect to the break in with the e-mails into the democratic narnl committee, there are new york computer crime laws. he could be tied up all different ways and they're certainly going to be looking for very side effect evidence tying him into the russian probe. >> yeah, we should say that ukrainian politics who gave testimony who was given a -- a peacel to michael cohen and gave to flynn that would drop sanctions on russia which is slightly suspect, says the muellerer grand jury questions focused on mueller, jill. ths recent evidence this piece just published a little while ago that mueller is looking at cohen for his role in that nex us. >> absolutely. and it'she being done just to squeeze him because he might have i evidence, well not might. hehas evence about donald tru

phillip rucker, jill, john, thank you to the three of you for starting us off. a deeper dive on the separation policy on the ones who matter the most, and why some have labeled this using the serious charge of government sponsored child abuse. we'll ask the next guest, the president of the american academy of pediatrics allowed to v visit some children. a message sent from the president's new west campaign member what he thinks trump should do next. "the 11th hour" just getting started tonight. but i'm not standing still... and with godaddy, i've made my ideas real. ♪ i made my own way, now it's time to make yours. ♪ everything is working, just like it should ♪ > we're back with more on this story from the associated press tonight that the trump administration has been sending babies and other young children to what they're calling tender-age shelters in south texas. this report cites kay beller, vice president for programs at lutheran immigration and refugee service, which provides foster care and other child welfare services to migrant children. she says, quot

>> jill, go ahead. >> debate has led to large protests. melanie woodrow in san jose with a big crowd. >> reporter: hundreds of people gathered at san jose city hall to protest the separation of children from their parents along the u.s. border. people joined rallies across the country today for the same purpose. >> i work with children, adolescents, with kids in the foster care system, i know what this kind of trauma can do to people and is doing to people. >> reporter: organizer heather valentine said when she learned there wasn't a rally planned locally, knew it was up to her. >> if i don't do it, who is going to do it? >> reporter: arranged for speakers to share stories. 19-year-old felt empowered. >> came from family undocumented. i remember the fears when i was younger if i spoke up risking deportation, if not parents, could be uncles. >> truly biblical proportions of destruction of families. >> reporter: father said the crowd was full of allies. >> lot are fearful. afraid to come out of their homes. getting others to walk their child

talk to me about this rally, jill.you think are some of the biggest moments, some of which we just saw with regards to the president's apartment and how smart and rich he may be? >> i mean, what you saw last night was the president sort of at his rawest and his most honest. that is the kind of railing against the media, railing against the elites that we hear from folks we talked to relayed to us. the president was there just hours after signing this executive order that was framed by so many as a reversal of his policies. it was. and he was there in front of this very rabid base of supporters, people who are his true supporter es and he was there to show them he remains strong. he wanted to talk to them about how he's still a hard liner on immigration really casting the democrats as being pro illegal amnesty and claiming they care more about immigrants than they do about american citizens. spent a long time railing against the media. there was also a portion where he really showed up against the conclusions of the ins

jill colvin, white house reporter for the associated press. and here in new york, john heilemann, co-author of "game change" and "double down" and co-host of the circus on showtime. jill, a lot of your reporting today painted a portrait up to and including the existence of these tender-age centers tonight, but painted a portrait of a president going it alone. >> absolutely. this is a president right now who, you know, he's actually i think a little bit torn here on one hand. this is a president who feels like he is under attack, who feels like he's going into the midterm elections and that immigration is his issue. he's told folks around him that he's worried that the lack of progress on the wall is going to make him look, quote, weak, and that he feels like this is a winning issue for him. if he's able to hammer this going into the midterms, it's something that makes his base very excited and something that's going to help them turn out. it's going to be something that's beneficial to him. at the same time, the president spoke very briefly th

jill, what's the not such good news? >> reporter: well, amazingly, four in ten adults, if faced with an unexpected expense of $400, would either not be able to cover it or would do so by selling something or borrowing money. now, 40% is a big number but, of course, it does actually represent an improvement. we saw half of adults in 2013 being ill prepared for such an expense. i think that's a bit of the head scratcher here. if you are feeling good, shouldn't more people be able to pay for an unexpected expense? maybe it's because one in ten adults receives some form of financial support from a family member or friends. most commonly that support is between parents and their adult children. maybe they are paying for general expenses, helping with rent, mortgage, educational stuff, assistance with student loan payments. by the way, support also goes in the other direction. adult children and their parents who are over the age of 60, that's a growing category. for more on how we are doing financially and how our well- being

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i thank josh gerstein, jill wine-banks, guy lewis. really appreciate you joining us on a friday night. >>> and coming up for us, the foremost expert on the supreme court shares his very best information on the judges who very well may be on the president's short list for this nomination. >>> and later on this evening, new reporting on what may be going on inside north korea despite what the president believes they both agreed to. "the 11th hour" on a pre-holiday week friday night just getting started. >>> en route to his golf resort in northern jersey, the president spoke with reporters on air force one. again, audio but not video was allowed of his comments, and he was asked to comment on filling this kennedy vacancy on the supreme court. he said he'll make his choice public on july 9, and he talked about his list of judicial candidates. >> we have great people, you know. we have 25 very outstanding people. look, i like them all. but i've got it down to about five. >> are you looking for somebody who would overturn roe v. wade? >> we

jill? >> reporter: here's the thing.de deficit occurs when a nation imports more than it exports. so let's look at last year. the u.s. imported $2.9 trillion worth of goods and services. it exported $2.3 trillion or so. it amounted to a total trade deficit of $566 billion. now, think of this. because we consume a lot more goods than we export services, that's why the u.s. will often carry a deficit. one note, i know we have been in a war of words with canada, but last year, we actually had a trade surplus with our neighbors to the north. >> so jill, how does that trade deficit affect the economy? not necessarily a bad thing. >> reporter: right. i mean, this is an interesting comment that economists have said, you know, commerce secretary wilbur ross has said that trade deficits weaken our economy. but you know what? in general, deficits don't mean the u.s. loses. it does into the mean that a surplus means that we're a winner, either. think of it this way. imports basically don't have an effect on the broadest measure of

jill colvin. and jeremy bash, former chief of staff at cia and the pentagon. also an msnbc national security analyst. that's the area i'd like to begin with tonight, jeremy. you're also the only lawyer here. what are the national security implications at play in light of this supreme court decision as you see it? >> well, this 5-4 decision wasn't a surprise because if you'll recall the president started his administration almost from day one initiating a total categorical blanket ban on seven muslim majority countries. that's what led the courts to rein him in. and only after the president tried, tried, and tried a third time did he whittle down the policy and included countries like north korea and venezuela, and finally he was able to pass by the thinnest of majorities, 5-4, some constitutional muster. but it does not mean the policy is wise. from a national security perspective, you want to do risk-based targeting. you want to use intelligence to focus your security apparatus on the true risks, not engage in blanket targeting or categorical bans or bans of

and jill wine-banks, here in new york with us, veteran attorney and former assistant watergate special counsel. welcome to you all. josh, i want to begin with you because you were present for part of this today, even at a point before which you knew what you were witnessing. tell us what you saw. >> well, i was down at the federal koscourthouse, and ther was considerably more activity than usual involving the mueller team. we saw andrew weissman, the lead prosecutor on the manafort case and one of mueller's top deputies, coming into the courthouse. there was comings and goings by another mueller prosecutor by the name of kyle freeney, as well as several fbi agents. and there were signals with them going back and forth into the clerk's office that perhaps the grand jury was preparing to return an indictment. and indeed by the early afternoon, there was a notice posted outside one of the courtrooms that just that had happened, that there had been a session where an indictment had been handed up although it was not immediately clear who was being indicted or why. it certainly seemed like

jill? >> julie's question about the zero-tolerance policy. the president said last week after signing the executive order that he believes zero tolerance is still important, made a point of the fact that that did not get rid of the policy, how does that square with the fact that they are now saying they are no longer referring for prosecution any adults that come with children? >> this is a temporary solution. this isn't going to last. congress needs to step up and do their job. this will only last a short amount of time because we're going to run out of space and resources in order to keep people together and we're asking congress to provide those resources and do their job. >> at some point you are going to change that policy? >> we're not changing the policy. we are simply out of resources and at some point congress has to do what they were elected to do and that is secure our border. that is stop the crime coming into our country. the country has made extremely clear that they don't want open borders and democrats need to understand that

jill colvin, white house reporter for the associated press. and jeremy peters, political reporter for "the new york times." mr. schmidt, home field advantage goes to you. you also did happen to break the clinton e-mail story back in the day. so what is your takeaway? i know it's a big question. it was 500 pages after all from today's i.g. report. >> there's all sorts of stuff in there about all different parts of this investigation. it's the biggest thing it comes back to comey. comey is the chief witness against the president in an obstruction investigation. how does this change our understanding of comey? well, if you didn't like comey's judgment before today, you're not going to like it after today. there's not a lot of facts that move that in any direction. the story is pretty much the same. what is good for mueller and for comey, if mueller is banking on comey, is that there's nothing in there that raises questions about comey's truthfulness. people say comey has bad judgment. he made all these mistakes. he thought he could maneuver thing

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i want to recognize you -- go ahead, jill. reporter: honestly, answer the question. it's a serious question. these people have nothing. they come to the border with nothing. and you throw children in cages. you're a parent. you're a parent of young children. don't you have any empathy for what they go through? sarah: jill, go ahead. reporter: does the president really believe that crimea is part of russia? because everyone there speaks russian? and the second question, the president has said that kim jong un told him that north korea is destroying -- sarah: let me answer your first question. i'm not aware of any comment like that. i know it's been reported but i'm not going to comment on a private conversation i wasn't a part of that i don't have information on. second part. reporter: the president -- said kim jong-un told him that north korea was working to destroy a major missile engine testing site. is that the site? sarah: we'll have specific details later. we're working with the department of defense and we'll make sure we get you guys that information. trey. re

jill, i want to ask you this. to me, having watched donald trump in 2015, 2016 and 2017-2018, one thing he's been consistent about the entire time he's run for president and 20 years before that, he's been a proud protectionist. he's been anxious to do this the entire time. is he happy today in the face of all the criticism and condemnation? he's like, dudes, i'm right about this, i'm doing what i think is best? >> yeah, this is something that clearly is at the heart of the president's thinking. he feels this kind of innate injustice that other countries have been treating the u.s. badly and that he's finally in there, taking this seriously and he's going to fight for the u.s. by turn rg these around and winning trade concessions. >> bill crystal, i ask you, the free est free trader in this entire group by tradition, by ideology, what do you make of the fact donald trump has done this despite the fact you look at all the economic impact studies, everything people are saying including your friends at the wall stree

jill schweitzer. well, she got burned and harassed by her hoa.ying down. >> about five years ago, i bought into a bad hoa. i discovered that they weren't spending the money properly. and then, also, i was surprised at how they handled insurance claims, not treating everybody the same. >> she created hoa savers and is working to educate homeowners and help them navigate the often tricky world of homeowners associations. >> as a realtor, i was surprised to learn that we're not taught anything about hoas. so everything i've learned was through my own experience. >> as a realtor, jill says she wants her clients to know exactly what they're getting into when they buy in hoa communities so there are no surprises later on. what do people give up when they decide to buy a home that has an association? what type of things are they actually giving up when they do that? >> they're giving up their constitutional rights. they're living under a totally private government, really. the hoa can have the power to, more than the police do, to issue tickets for spee

it's legal snake oil. >> jill, do you agree? >> i agree. i would also say that the president is exerting powers that are not only not existent for the president, but are more like something that an emperor who has no clothes might claim, because it is ridiculous to have said any of these things. and it's very much like what richard nixon said, as you quoted him tonight, if i do it, it's not illegal. but i would like to point out that richard nixon didn't say that until after he -- >> right. >> -- been forced to resign. so it's much more dangerous to have a president who is actually in office now saying that he has that power. that is very scary. it is delusional thinking of a would-be dictator. it is not appropriate for the president's lawyers to be saying that. >> one big difference here that is important between nixon and trump is who is running the show in congress. and it seems to me the legal argument that they're making which isn't really legal argument, but political argument primarily, there is a single and lone constitutional remed

to discuss this, let's bring in msnbc contributor, former watergate prosecutor jill wine banks. something you may not know about jill who is terrific and helps us through a lot of thing is she has done pro bono work with asylum seekers and is connected to the american bar association's commission on immigration. which provides services in california and texas. i think we are generally agreed in america that we have to treat children very differently when it comes to court, even when you are prosecuting young people for actual crimes. but we are not -- these are not actual crimes. >> these people are here lawfully. a 3-year-old cannot possibly enter a courtroom and explain why they are seeking asylum. they cannot explain why they have a credible fear, and why they cannot return to their home country. it is absurd. they are suffering the trauma of being separated from their parents. and then they are being asked to defend themselves in court. they aren't entitled to a lawyer. thank heavens for all the pro bono lawyers. >> yes. >> who volunteer to help them and to defend them. but

jill, let me begin with you. trump's legal team is arguing that you can't even pursue the president for obstruction writing, it remains our position that the president's actions here by virtue of his position as the chief law enforcement officer could neither constitutionally nor legally constitute obstruction because that would amount to him obstructing himself and that he could, if he wished, terminate the inquiry or even exer ice his power to pardon if he so desired. it certainly seemed like a lot of legal jargon there, but obstruction was right there right there at the top of the articles of impeachment prepared against richard nixon so is trump's legal team correct here, do you think? >> i think that it is one of the most terrifying things i've ever read, amendnd i hope everyone listening realizes what a wake-up call this is to america because if the president is above the law in the way that he can totally control everything, then we do not have a rule of law. you have a dictatorship. no president can possi