jim baker has been the real champion of this center and its realization. jim, it is wonderful, once again, being with you and susan, and thank you for the championing of this center and for your very strong words of support. as madeleine said, she was present at the creation of the diplomacy center. i was looking to see what pin she was wearing, whether it was an optimistic pin or a pessimistic pin, it is appropriate. i thank her for conceiving of this idea. and colin powell, who has been in this unique position, really only general marshal because he served as both secretary of defense and secretary of state, anything comparable to colin powell's service, it brings a very unique perspective we heard here just earlier. i thank all of them for their insights and their extraordinary commitment to our country. we're here, in large measure, to honor all of those who have served from the very beginning. even before the treaty of paris, which might not have been possible without good american diplomatic american effort. keeping the french involved on our side an

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bush and secretary of state jim baker put together the anti-iraq coalition when iraq invaded kuwait.you can't ignore the importance of these face-to-face meetings. if we come to the end of the week or the week after and still don't have much of an indication of a real coalition as opposed to flights of rhetoric, then i think it's time to be very concerned that we're not going to be effective in destroying isis. >> no one else is putting up troops. they're not talking about air strikes yet, the arabs have said they may do that. how do you +""Ñ off funding. saudi arabia has promised 5,000. you have 50,000 or so isis members. it will take ten years to try to train that many. >> i think there are a lot of other problems. i would have voted for the aid to the syrian opposition. i would have gritted my teeth. i'm worrying that we're hearing even from the administration that the arms and training we're going to provide may allow the opposition to increase their efforts against the assad regime and not against isis. i don't think we have adequate american leadership at this point. it may yet

now whether he can tull that -- pull that off, john kerry like jim baker, i don't know but it seems likethat is his goal. >> rose: he wanted to first have some kind of government in iraq and baghdad and he's waited for that to happen to a degree before he made any kind of commitments, even the use of air power. he talked about that. but everybody sees including general dempsey that you need boots on the ground to do this, perhaps even boots on the ground in syria. >> and he admitted that. because he said i'm ruling out-- ruling out boots on the ground. i said to him, what you just said, your own people say you have to have boots on the ground. if you are going it to stop isis and syria, that is when he said he didn't disagree but it can't be person boots. >> an therefore now he's dependent on what what-- the boots of the free syrian army which would have been a lot better off if he had done a lot more for them two years ago. does he have an answer for that? >> well, he doesn't have a good answer for that other than he still believes they went about this the right way. you know, there's n

jim baker has been the real champion of this center and its realization and, jim, it's wonderful, oncein, being with you and susan and thank you for the championing of this center and for your very strong words of support. as madeleine said, she was president at the creation of the diplomacy center. i was looking to see what pin she was wearing, whether it was an optimistic pen or a pessimistic pin. it's an american pen. that's particularly appropriate for this day and this dedication and i thank her for really conceiving of this idea. and colin powell, who has been in this unique position really only general marshall as he served secretary of defense and secretary of state has anything comparable to colin powell. i thank all of them for their insights and their extraordinary commitment to our country. we are here in large measure to honor all those who have served from the very beginning. even before the treaty of paris, which might not have been possible with that good, diplomatic efforts, keeping our friends -- the french involved on our side and staving off the other challenges tha

it sounds like he is hoping to couple that with a jim baker-bush 41 approach, putting together a coalition of middle eastern allies. saudi arabia, jordan, turkey, so that they become the boots on the ground. so that it isn't just them supporting the united states, but almost a reversal. the u.s. handles counterterrorism and air cover. we are the air force for these folks. the boots on the ground that are necessary to stop isis are muslim boots, saudi boots come a turkish boots, jordanian boots. whether he can pull that off, i don't know. it certainly seems like that is his goal. >> he has wanted first of all to have some kind of government in iraq, in baghdad, and is waiting for that to happen to a degree before he made any kind of commitments. everybody says, including general dempsey, that you need boots on the ground to do this. perhaps even in syria. >> he admitted that. he said, i am ruling out boots on the ground. i said to him, what you just said, your own people say you have to have boots on the ground. that is when he said, he didn't disagree that it can't be american boots. >> no

we were talking earlier and jim baker said something we have all heard many, many times. ronald reagan made us feel good. if you look at a superficial way, you dismiss it. in 1952, adelaide stevens was running. a woman said, all of the intelligent people are supporting you and he said yes, ma'am, but i need a majority. [laughter] a complete putdown of the american people. if you take the phrase, he made me feel good about myself but if you take what was trying to do. all of the speeches are tutorials. we learned. just is trying to communicate ideas and thoughts the use of phrases of -- a very profound thought. and what politician talks like that today? the time that i did not fall asleep in high school physics, i remember the professor saying power can only be shifted around. when reagan said reordering man's relationship to state was the reorientation of power away from the state to the individual. if you look at all of his speeches, very enlightening. he is very much about the individual, the spiritual individual. what he was really about was from the time of the new de

of smart people in form a great team, just at ronald reagan formed a great team, with people like jim bakerger and really great people he surrounds himself in and was able to win the colored war without firing a shot. >> senator you have that expertise now. you're a spry 70 something. >> well, as i mentioned on another show, pale -- >> i thought i could get that in there, but you were one step ahead of me. senator, very good. nothing along with being pale, take it from me. john mccain, in our nation's capitol. he does speak his mind. >> thank you. >> who says we actually have to find more cash could fund this ebola fight? the congressman who says, we already have it. i am so nervous right now, it's not even funny. oh my gosh... driver 1 you ready? yeah! go! [sfx] roaring altima engine woah! ahhhha! we told people they were riding nissan's most advanced altima race car. we lied... about the race car part. altima, with 270 horsepower and active understeer control. how did you?...what! i don't even, i'm speechless. innovation that excites. on my journey across america, i've learned that when y

and you saw what jim baker was able to do in getting the world aligned.ct, as you were just discussing with chris jansing, president hollande was reluctant to talk about france. this is all in the air, and there needs to be a ground component, but that is not ready yet. there's no way that the syrian free army can be trained that quickly. we were told it was going to take up to a year to train 5,000. according to martin dempsey's testimony last week. and you also have the iraqi army which is woefully unprepared and turned and fled when mosul and other areas were targeted. there is really very little on the ground in iraq aside from shiite militias that are iranian sponsored. so kerry is talking, again, about cooperating or at least coordinating and figuring out how to deal with the iranians, much more so than others in the past have. and that is all going to be up for discussion here at the u.n. the president's coming tomorrow, as you know. the first event was supposed to be on climate change. you know that he's going to have to speak on this at some poin

with the bush white house decades ago and in the first gulf war and at the time president bush and jim bakerometimes they said things that were off-message and the media was worried and he acted and we made clear what we were going to do and removed saddam. i wouldn't worry about one bad press conference here and chuck hagel sounding different from john kerry. the president, i don't think, has fundamentally decided here is the problem, i think his foreign policy is in tatters and how the world worked out with his foreign policy is in shambles and he's in denial and he has go through the stages of grief. there's denial and bargaining and anger and then finally, you get to acceptance and i hope this floundering is the prelude to him accepting that we have to go in and destroy isil which is not saying the first sentence you say at every press conference is no boots on the ground and the second sentence is we need the international community to rally behind us and we have to wait for a good government in iraq. we have to act and then those things are more likely to happen. >> bill burton, do you

and ronald reagan would say that me and jim baker and ed niece and mike beaver and others. well, i'll take 80% every time and come back the next time for the additional 20. that's what governing is all about and that was a hallmark of ronald reagan. >> okay, so what was his weakness? achkd his weakness was that he had a tendency to trust everybody and that's why nancy and i were the verifiers. but he trusted everybody. until proven otherwise. and so you sometimes had to unwind things because they just didn't add up. >> there's only one reason that leon asked me to come out here. he called me up and he saider skin, we're having this panel and i want you to talk about bill clinton. i said leon, you never everything about bill clinton. he said yeah, you got it. that's why i want you to talk. you can get the phone calls. i love leon panetta, you guys are lucky to have him. imtelling you, everything i know -- everything i know and anything i say that you don't like, you can blame it on me because he taught me it all. greatest strengths. for me, president clinton's greatest stren

whether it be a jim baker or george schultz on the republican side or madeleine albright, colin powell in the middle there. i think it's important he get the country united quickly and settled down. i would add this. in fair nness to the president, the rollout to obamacare was terrible, but they got it fixed then it worked much better than many of us, including me expe . expectexpec expected. i hope that's what happens here. >> colonel, is gergen being too harsh or do you agree? >> i agree with him. it's important the administration gets their messaging down. say what we need to do and how we're going to do it. i don't think i would have announced ahead of time we're going to bomb syria. i would have preferred he'd say, last night we began bombing sere wr syria. he shouldn't have said we'll keep boots off the ground. it complicates our efforts in the middle east when we're trying to get allies to step up to provide sources, provide tangible support for what we're trying to do if we don't do it for ourselves. >> like you said, he laid out the plan in front of the world including isis. i

i knew warren christopher and madeline albright better than i had known some of the others, and jim baker, who had a great reputation when he was secretary of state for a toughness of mind, was often referred to by those with whom he had worked at the state department, and he believed deeply in diplomacy and became my principle partner on trying to highlight the role of diplomacy, building a diplomacy center in washington. >> host: do you give advice to secretary kerry. >> guest: john and i have talked frequently about issues. i respect the position he is in. he now has to make these hard choices, but i'm available to him, and have been fortunate to talk to him about a number of issues over the last year and a half. >> host: you say thatwash e warren griff -- warren christopher gave you the best piece of advice. >> guest: he said don't plan a vacation in august because something always seems to happen, and i you look at history, the guns of august, what a great title, but even as i was coming in, a few months earlier in august 2008, russia invaded georgia, and took over two provinces with

jim baker has been the real champion of this center and its realization and you know, jim, it is wonderful once again being with you and susan and thank you for the championing of this center and for your very strong words of support. as madeleine said, she was present at the creation of the diplomacy center. i was looking to see what pin she was wearing, whether it was optimistic pin or a pessimistic pin. it is an american pin. so that is particularly appropriate for this day and this dead case -- dedication, and i thank her for really conceiving of this idea. and colin powell who has been in this unique position, really only general marshall, because he served as both secretary of defense and secretary of state, has anything comparable to colin powell's service as chairman of the joint chiefs and as secretary of state, bring as very unique perspective which we heard here just earlier. i thank all of them for their insights and their extraordinary commitment to our country. we are here in large measure to honor all those who have served, from the very beginning, even before the treaty of

and ronald reagan would say that me and jim baker and ed niece and mike beaver and others.ell, i'll take 80% every time and come back the next time for the additional 20. that's what governing is all about and that was a hallmark of ronald reagan. >> okay, so what was his weakness? achkd his weakness was that he had a tendency to trust everybody and that's why nancy and i were the verifiers. but he trusted everybody. until proven otherwise. and so you sometimes had to unwind things because they just didn't add up. >> there's only one reason that leon asked me to come out here. he called me up and he saider skin, we're having this panel and i want you to talk about bill clinton. i said leon, you never everything about bill clinton. he said yeah, you got it. that's why i want you to talk. you can get the phone calls. i love leon panetta, you guys are lucky to have him. imtelling you, everything i know -- everything i know and anything i say that you don't like, you can blame it on me because he taught me it all. greatest strengths. for me, president clinton's greatest strengt

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." >> we'll have a lot on isis, we'll hear from the administration, and also jim baker on, former secretary of state during bush 41. successfully built a middle east coalition. he knows the syrian problem very, very well. he's one of those not involved in the iraq conflict of '03 that i think has a lot of wisdom to provide. that's number one. also, hillary clinton's going to iowa so we're starting our meet the candidate series with bernie sanders. >> we'll look forward to that. what's at stake for her, by the way? >> i think it's her campaigning with her husband is always -- never gone as well as it could. i actually think that picture -- i know there's some hillary supporters are like, why's she making the trip with her husband? >> risk involved. >> because he is such a larger than life figure, more so than anybody in the room, whether it's her or president obama sometimes. >> congratulations on a great debut show. we look forward to watching this sunday. although i miss you at the white house. >> i hear you. check those local listing, will you? >> indeed, we will watch. >>> coming up, haw

is does he present a plan that seems to look more like bush 41 and jim baker and what they pulled off, that it's a real coalition, that you actually have arab states, you have potentially muslim troops that they're the boots on the ground. it's saudis, it's jordanians, it's turks. if that's what the president delivers on, then yes, i agree with mitch mcconnell, you'll see pretty big bipartisan support. >> you bring u.n. sunni states. that's as important as everything in this. likely stops could include saudi arabia. financing is critical to this process as well. it will change the dynamic if the u.s. is invited into that region by the arab nations. that's like a really big -- >> it should. look, some distrust grew between particularly the saudis and the obama administration. all because this idea that the president didn't act in syria a year ago. the saudis were -- they didn't say it this way, but they wanted the u.s. to take assad out. then he backed off. then it became this idea, well, maybe the u.s. won't be there when we need him to be there. i think that's part of john kerry's ch

kerry was on this coalition-building mission, which was a shadow of what jim baker was able to do for bush 41. but he was certainly in the rest of the region getting the saudi support, getting king abdullah who was very resistant because of a lack of trust, frankly, between this saudi regime and the obama administration. they feel that he let them down in the past. but that was a very big part of putting together the coalition that they put together. one interesting thing is that kerry met earlier today with the saudi foreign minister and that the saudi foreign minister also met with foreign ministers from iran. you don't see that every day, and that there will be a follow up meeting in riyadh so that enmity with isis has brought together the shiite iranians and sunni saudis. >> why would the statement from the pentagon tonight and the information as publicly released by the administration so far not include any of those nations, specifically, that you mentioned to be participating on this? >> i think because the operation is still under way. because clearly, by the time the president

that emphasis on coalition building and the diplomacy to find sunni allies and you can almost see jim bakerfrom the back from the buildup to the war to throw saddam out of kuwait. i think in the short term, the president because he's looking for this middle ground is going to take some shots from both sides. you've got sort of hard core john mccain, lindsay graham view that says look, if we don't send in our own troops we're not really serious about this and by the way, why did you withdraw all american troops from iraq and then obviously, there are a lot of americans including a lot of both democrats and libertari libertarian-leaning republicans who just don't like intervening again in iraq in any way even though this is not like the iraq war -- >> you mentioned bush senior and the gulf war. a big difference was that strategically president obama senior managed to explain to the public clearly that saddam was bad enough to go to war with and repel, but not sufficiently terrible that he had to be overthrown and he took heat for that at the time. in other words, was there a clear, strategic

think jim baker in '90 where he built a large coalition to go after saddam. that's what they want. they hope to get one. i had a snarky e-mail from a viewer who said, you know, the united states gives a lot of military support to saudi arabia. are they ever going to use it? why is it the united states that has to use their own military even after the united states sends so much military to these chris and allies. it's a little snarky, but you understand. >> i'm with you. >> the president is channelling the same war fatigue that's in the united states saying we know this is a problem. we don't want to keep doing it by ourselves. >> would he have answered a direct question if one of the reporters got to him with a question that said do we or do we not have special ops teams, contract workers now in syria going after isil? would he have answered that question negatively? >> i don't think he would have answered it. i think there is a lot of occupation going on. i think he would have focused the question more on iraq. there's been hesitancy about the syria aspect of the problem. when as

many ways, ronan, looks almost very much like 1989, 1990 circa bush 41 administration when you had jim baker flying around the world to build a very large coalition to take on saddam hussein at that time. you feel like that's the size of coalition the president is looking for. john kerry is looking for. if you look at what i feel look they set up there, you put up basically the european nations, the western nations on board this. the president himself made reference to the united nations, meaning the big general assembly meeting happens where you are in nork city. that appears to be the next step of where they hope to add the arab states that the president himself talked about and add those sunni majority states. so number one, i think it's laying out that he wants to do this broad coalition, this is going to be a long fight. he's using language like degrade and ultimately destroy. it's very similar language to how he and president bush used to talk about going to war against al qaeda. so he's laying that groundwork. puts it all together and it sounds like to me because this is going to be l

kerry was on this coalition-building mission, which was a shadow of what jim baker was able to do for bush 41. but he was certainly in the rest of the region getting the saudi support, getting king abdullah who was very resistant because of a lack of trust, frankly, between this saudi regime and the obama administration. they feel that he let them down in the past. but that was a very big part of putting together the coalition that they put together. one interesting thing is that kerry met earlier today with the saudi foreign minister and that the saudi foreign minister also met with foreign ministers from iran. you don't see that every day, and that there will be a follow up meeting in riyadh so that enmity with isis has brought together the shiite iranians and sunni saudis. >> why would the statement from the pentagon tonight and the information as publicly released by the administration so far not include any of those nations, specifically, that you mentioned to be participating on this? >> i think because the operation is still under way. because clearly, by the time the president

jim baker, former secretary of state, pretty much the last american official to successfully put together an arab coalition that was usable sitting side by side with the united states back in the early '90s. that will be interesting. bernie sanders will be coming out of your report from live from iowa. since you're going to be covering hillary clinton in iowa, what is the progressive case against hillary clinton be? bernie sanders wants to make it. >> i'll look forward to this trip to iowa for "meet the press." in south africa, after being found not guilty of murder on thursday, the judge found oscar pistorius guilty off culpable homicide, the equivalent of what we would call involuntary manslaughter in the shooting death of his girlfriend reeva steenka steenkamp. he could face up to 15 years in prison when he's sentenced by the same judge. one signal could be how the judge immediately released him today on bail and harshlily criticized prosecutors for a weak circumstantial case, in her view. and a gentle wavelike motion... aahhh- ahhhhhh. liberate your spine, ahhh-ahhhhhh aflac! and reac

jim baker is a former assistant sheriff and assistant of a group providing training to local police departmentsive from san francisco. good morning to you. we recently witnessed the upheaval in ferguson over the militarization of police. why is equipment needed for the battlefield needed on main street? >> it's an interesting question. good morning to you. >> it's two fold. the the threats presented to the citizens the united states are more sophisticated and dangerous. incidents that began in 1997 with the north hollywood shoot-out, where the two criminals robbing a bang were wearing sophisticated arm hour, and held to bay the police department while they shot 18 people. the police department didn't have proper weapons or armoured vehicles to retrieve people shot and injured in the street. that became an awareness factor that the criminals had more sophisticated equipment than law enforcement. over the years we could go on and on with the sophisticated attacks. >>> is that an challengexceptio rule? >> if you look throughout history it's continuous. we had virginia teching columbine, theatres i

jim baker actually negotiated deals, unbelievably, where people were anteing up all over the place, but i am suggestioning that with the saudis involved that bagdadi has to take note, that jordan, not yet turkey but others are putting up some money and some fighter planes. >> and some potential force, the way that they brought the world together is significant. and some of the countries that are coming together to discuss international action against them are the places they've made all their money, where they've had all their support at this time. i don't think anybody ever welcomes air strikes. they do have the worry about the world turning against them. they're bummed that the u.s. isn't sending ground troops. send them here so we can kill them and recruit more. not getting ground troops is a loss for them. >> all those people meeting in jedda, they're already declaring war on them. isis is the hot hand right now in the arab world and not the king of saudi arabia. >> as much as this all resonates for us and we think back to previous negotiations with use of force in iraq and ground t

jim baker actually negotiated deals, unbelievably, where people were anteing up all over the place, but i am suggestioning that with the saudis involved that bagdadi has to take note, that jordan, not yet turkey but others are putting up some money and some fighter planes. >> and some potential force, the way that they brought the world together is significant. and some of the countries that are coming together to discuss international action against them are the places they've made all their money, where they've had all their support at this time. i don't think anybody ever welcomes air strikes. they do have the worry about the world turning against them. they're bummed that the u.s. isn't sending ground troops. send them here so we can kill them and recruit more. not getting ground troops is a loss for them. >> all those people meeting in jedda, they're already declaring war on them. isis is the hot hand right now in the arab world and not the king of saudi arabia. >> as much as this all resonates for us and we think back to previous negotiations with use of force in iraq and ground t

and ronald reagan would say to g mean and jim baker and mike dev and others, well, i'll take 80% every time and come back the next year for the additional 20. that's what governing is all about and that was the hallmark> of ronald reagan. okay, so what was his weakness? and his weakness was that he had a tendency to trust everybody. that's why nancy and i were the verifiers. but he trusted everybody until o proven otherwise. so sometimes you today unwind things because they didn't add up. >> erskin? >> he called me up and said, erskin, we are having this panel an i want you to talk about bill clinton. i said, leon, you know he s everything about bill clinton. he said, yeah, you got it. that's why i want you to talk, you can get the phone calls. so i love leon panetta.n you guys are lucky to have him.y i tell you, everything i know, everything i know, anything i i say that you don't like, you can blame it on him because he taught me it all. greatest strength. for me, president clinton's greatest strength is his intellectual curiosity. and his absolute ability to do o the homework it tak

of them. 300 retired generals, admirals, national security officials, famous diplomats, including jim baker and brent scowcroft and marine general zinni and the head of the former national security agency, bill odom, spoke out and wrote against invading iraq before it happened in march 2003. a majority of the people in this country think that there's something inflated about our military budget. [scattered laughter] all right. well, they've read the pentagon audits and the gao reports and the "60 minute" exposes and so on. it's horrendously inflated. waste, fraud, abuse is only part of it. we're still building cost-overrun military weapons systems designed for the soviet union era of hostility. like, the f-22 should never be built. you could put it on this stage. that's how much $200 million of electronics cost, profit in overruns. why are we building more submarines, nuclear submarines? one trident submarine--nuclear warheads can destroy 200 cities. that's before it reloads. why are we building more aircraft carriers, $15 billion a carrier? we got 13. the next country to challenge us is it

white house chief of staff and jim baker, last successful american secretary of state to put a middletion together for a military campaign so that and a lot of other stuff. >> all right. we're all ears, chuck. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> a preview of the sunday's "meet the press." now abusive and cheap or justified and making a point? it's a fact that millionaire runback he sean mccoy left a 20-cent tip on a $60 tip in a restaurant in philadelphia. the owner is here with his story, next. just take a closer look. it works how you want to work. with a fidelity investment professional... or managing your investments on your own. helping you find new ways to plan for retirement. and save on taxes where you can. so you can invest in the life that you want today. tap into the full power of your fidelity greenline. call or come in today for a free one-on-one review. >>> imagine this. a nfl superstar walks into your hamburger restaurant in his home city and then it goes sideways fast. philadelphia eagles runningback mccoy said he was making a statement with a 20-cent tip on a $61 ch

latest from the administration on what they are doing trying build this coalition but i'll have jim baker guy to successfully build a middle east coalition. haven't heard from his voice in a while that will be interesting. plus hillary clinton is doing her first trip to iowa so we got somebody who wants to challenge her on the show. >> all right. thank you chuck. that's going to be fantastic. still ahead on "morning joe" 60 years after his death the first african-american rhodes scholar and architect of the harlem renaissance has yet to be laid to rest. we'll explain why next. the nfl's worst tipper shows no remorse for giving a 20 cent tip. and then one of the world's richest men is stepping up in a big way to stop the spread of ebola. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. machines will be sprayed to be made. and making something stronger... will mean making it lighter. one day, factories will work with the cloud. one day... is today. i got this. [thinking] is it that time? the son picks up the check? [thinking] i'm still working. he's retired. i hope he's saving. i hope he

i think they think they are going to do a jim baker style coalition, that john kerry essentially willbush 41 incident '90 and '91 when it was a real coalition. you had dozens of countries involved and you had arab countries involved that were actually engaging in the military operation, you know. it was part of the question i said that there's plenty of people wondering at what point does all this military aid that the united states has given the saudi arabia for decades will be used by saudi arabia. >> this speech tomorrow night he has to make a major pitch to the american people. this is a new chapter in a war. let's be honest. you asked him are we going war but he hedged. last time we opened a new chapter, 13 years since we started it. we could be in for a long fight. does he feel he can convince the american people it's time to go back into a war. >> he can convince the american public they have to defeat isis. remember when he's giving the speech he's given it on the eve of the 13th anniversary of 9/11. you'll hear some 9/11 imagery from him. he says they are not al qaeda yet but

he also sent jim baker on a trip around the world that was known as the ten cup tour and he raised money in the first trip donated money. when the gulf war was over in 1991, the united states didn't owe a penny. we got everybody else to pay for that conflict. as opposed to after 9-11 with iraq and afghanistan, we had a $6 trillion debt. we've got a leverage the world. we've got to go weather -- build a coalition of people to fight together led by the u.s. and then we've got to get those that don't fight to pay. germany and japan paid billions for the 1991 conflict and they never sent any people on the ground there. this has got to be a coalition to face isis. >> you know what? the thing is there seems to be a willingness to take action. germany is already moving on their own with arms and supplies. you had the saudi arabian king coming out saying listen, this terror threat is going to be hitting u.s. shores in a couple of months. you have jordan very scared about what's happening over there. so what do you do? how do you rally them? as well as australia set to say we have put aside force

bush and jim baker were putting together that coalition? >> i think they definitely do. obviously, of an internal problem, where disenfranchised youth, radicalized youth, they have done a good job in saudi arabia controlling this and really understand their own population. but there's a fear that this could become a wave that washes down the gulf and eventually comes to their backyard. i think that's greater now than it might have been in the past even with al qaeda. >> general, when you take a look at the big picture in the region, and we were talking about this israeli announcement of the new settlement and appropriation of land, how does that create a ripple effect that then plays into the hands of groups like isis? >> i think it's clear this was a move out of either frustration or revenge for the killing of those poor young american that were killed that made this all kick off. but it's a disastrous move. there's no need for more room for settlements. anybody that's studied the settlement issue knows that most of the settlements are not full. the demographics doesn't

i think this is not the coalition that jim baker and george bub 41 put together but this is significant. it was negotiated by john kerry over the course of many weeks. >> and you talked about the fact we don't know the direct involvement each of these countries had. some may just have allowed use of their airspace. but we will maybe learn more about that. the president, as you can see, is approaching the podium. let's hear what he has to say and he's going to jump on a helicopter and will make his way up here to new york for the u.n. i didn't realize it was quite such a walk to the podium. i thought he was a lot closer. but here is the president now. >>> good morning, everybody. last night on my orders, america's armed forces began strikes against isil targets in syria. today the american people give thanks for the extraordinary service of our men and women in uniform including the pilots who flew these missions with the courage and professionalism that we've come to expect from the finest military that the world has ever known. earlier i outlined our strategy to confront the threat pos