yes, i remember jim baker. the trump campaign thinks the person ahead is the one who should get the nomination. does he think the candidate ahead going into the nconventio should get the nomination? >> no. he doesn't blame trump for saying what he's saying that it would be unfair if he's leading going in if he didn't get it but he's says the rules are the rules. this is not a constitutional convention, don. it's a political convention. his feeling is you got to play the game as it's written and you've got to learn to do that and that's how you win. so he says, you know, donald trump, get organized. >> hold your horses, jeffrey, i have one more question for gloria. speaking of this is not a constitutional convention, it's a political convention, did baker tell you how they tried to win over delegates for ford? >> oh, yes, he did. and what he said, and you'll listen in a minute, he said they used the power of the presidency. listen. >> now, you got to be very careful. you can't buy votes. >> reporter: so what can

the most profound question for me as a historian focuses on the fbi position that predates jim baker is rule that they will never give up even decades later later, the records documenting the human informants have done to american political movements i have a name to search for a new wonderful story of withers'. to do phenomenal work documenting how people who were a major paid fbi informant against the civil rights movement. even after the judge here in the district court of d.c. held that withers status was without question true and accurate the bureau retained it will never read the sinful the informant file. my second and last quick story back to allies sheriff muhammed and the nation of islam, you know, the story of malcolm and the wonderful pulitzer prize-winning bearberry, he was murdered by a criminal conspiracy organized by the nation of islam. the primary tenant remains alive and free to day googled name willie bradley. way space to several documents released that as of some time in 1965, we don't know for sure that the fbi had both the poll top-level informants of the nati

jim baker as his chief of staff, a really skilled, shrewd political insider, ed meese, a counselor todent, and michael deaver in charge of the media operations. they ran the white house. >> the assassination attempt and aftermath elevated ronald reagan's popularity to a new high. the latest nbc news/associated press poll shows his job rating jumped ten points. >> reagan understood that he was getting this sort of sympathy reaction. everybody was rooting for him all of a sudden because they didn't want him to die. they didn't want to lose a president. so without missing a step, he goes right into what the message is. we've got to get this tax and spending bill passed and we've got to do it now. >> mr. speaker, the president of the united states. >> it was just like the movies. reagan was a true american hero. >> the president looking very jovial, very healthy. >> i was seated in the well of the house there when he was addressing congress. it was magic. everybody was so grateful that his life had been spared. it was a stirring moment. >> if he wants them to stop, they're not going to st

jim baker as his chief of staff, a really skilled, shrewd political insider, ed meese, a counselor to, and michael deaver in charge of the media operations. they ran the white house. >> the assassination attempt and aftermath elevated ronald reagan's popularity to a new high. the latest nbc news/associated press poll shows his job rating jumped ten points. >> reagan understood that he was getting this sort of sympathy reaction. everybody was rooting for him all of a sudden because they didn't want him to die. they didn't want to lose a president. so without missing a step, he goes right into what the message is. we've got to get this tax and spending bill passed and we've got to do it now. >> mr. speaker, the president of the united states. >> it was just like the movies. reagan was a true american hero. >> the president looking very jovial, very healthy. >> i was seated in the well of the house there when he was addressing congress. it was magic. everybody was so grateful that his life had been spared. it was a stirring moment. >> if he wants them to stop, they're not going to stop f

. >> at some point, they will to, i reviewed jim baker whoo ran, hiked and jump ed. the it is not about funding or anything else it is about alienating the base of your party. >> you know, what the republican party we think that that vi vibewill there be any wiggle room? >> as it stands now, 847. ted cruz. you see hillary clinton, a lot of news being made. >> spoke to him late night night. a chance to talk to him about the role at the convention, his own, as well as donald trump's complaints about the process. >> the rules are the rules. we are going to follow the book by the rules, that is how the convention will be run. it is important that it is done exactly that way. >> are you concerned about how messy this could be? in the second or third ballot? >> as you can tell, i am busy with my day job. this is something, outside of our control. it may well be someone gets 1237 delegates before the convention, this open convention question is closed. maybe we will have an open convention. we will deal with the -- >> that is the rules, we are going to follow the rule book.

bush as vice president and jim baker as chief of staff. people didn't trust, didn't want reagan to be reagan, so quite smartly he hired out. he built a sense of trust. i think trump will do that, or the other scenario is party splits. you have this 'nevertrump' component, and they start a third party perhaps. there was a little bit of an element of that with reagan. you remember john anderson started a third party and he got 5%, and it kind of fizzled out. and you could see some people decide that they will never vote for trump and they will either sit this one out or try to find a third party candidate who is not determined yet. fernando: well, thank you so much. i appreciate all your insights. 1237 delegates are needed to win the republican nomination. 95 delegates are up for grabs in the next primary in new york, one week from tuesday. announcer: up next -- finding the right message. in all the right spots. fernando: some ads help improve the image of candidates, like this ad viewed by millions from the bernie sanders campaign. >> ♪ fer

but, and i had this conversation with jim baker yesterday. [ applause ] we cannot solve and fully reveal the conspiracy that killed malcolm until all of the fbi files regarding the nation of islam and regarding the top lev human informants within the nation of islam are released in full unredakted no deletions so that scholars who know how to understand the nation, not people with department of justice security clearances, can look at those documents and map out the real conspiracy. several people remain alive. they should be prosecuted and convicted. thank you very much. [ applause ] >> thank you. thank you very much. mr. baker. >> sure. hi. well, thank you. >> i didn't mean to be that curt. i'm going to say very nice things about you afterwards. >> we had a great conversation yesterday. mr. baker has no relationship to the hoover era. >> we can confirm this. >> thank you very much. so obviously the american people have invested the fbi with great powers. under law. under the constitution. under the statutes of the united states. but you have given us great power and we can talk about t

and i think that's what jim baker was pointing out.king very highly of paul manafort, he said look, you got to get in the game early. it's a very complicated game. it's 3-d chess. you've got to figure out where people are not only on the first ballot, but beyond. and you have to know who your people are and who you can depend on. and when you're an outsider, as reagan was, and you've run as an anti-establishment candidate, it's kind of hard. because the people who go to the convention, wolf, are party people. around they're not about sending messages or anything else like that. they're about winning. and they're going to go with the candidate whom they believe can beat the democrat. wolf? >> interesting stuff. very interesting stuff. i just want to let our viewers know, paul manafort is going to be a guest on cnn's "new day" tomorrow morning. check out that out. an important interview coming up. and by the way, cnn takes you inside the reagan revolution and the legacy of the president defined an era. be sure to watch the original serie

jim baker who was the chief delegate getter for the ford campaign said they were ruthless. the real reality is we're now having the first probably headed for the first contested convention in 40 years. this is the first time we've had this hand to hand combat in the country. every single delegate matters. >> we've been at those conditions. >> ford responded in kind. were you trying to tell donald trump you've got to get in this game, man? >> yeah, he's got to stop complaining and start campaigning. gerald ford went out and ronald reagan went out. there were unbound delegates and he said can i bring along jimmy stewart and john wayne? he started giving them advice on soviet policy and having cocktails in the east room of the white house. donald trump isn't doing anything. he's complaining about ted cruz winning in colorado. ted cruz went to the convention in kcolorado and rallied the delegates. donald truch said i didn't even give a speech there. you think he would know how to make these deals. >> he said on february 5th, i didn't know you needed a ground game. we're going t

brian: you need to figure it out with jeff weaver, debbie wasserman schultz, and jim baker.are calling them now. john: for the campaign manager being charged with battery and whether donald trump is standing by his campaign manager, you think opposes the matter of policy and morality is the right thing to do. brian: i will not comment on the specific charge, because there is a legal process, and he will get his essay and his opportunity. .ut there is due process it is a very serious charge and it has been suggested there is evidence to back it up. but the most i will say is, to make an observation about the campaign generally, mr. trump has clearly created a culture that not just condones violence but also throws it on. that is true of his supporters and rallies he offers to pay legal fees, and also that he condoned it to a certain degree with his staff. the campaignt that manager is a male and the alleged victim is a female, does that say anything about the culture of the campaign? comment don't want to on the particular incident, but there is a problem with the trump campa

and the most profound question to me as a historian focuses on the fbi position that predates jim baker'sole as the general counsel that they will never give up even decades later the records documenting what the human informants have done in the american political movements. i have a name for all of you to search for. it's a wonderful story of tremendous journalism. ernest withers. mark of the commercial appeal in memphis has done for nominal work in recent years documenting how like jim harrison in nclc was a major paid informant against the civil rights movement. even after the judge amy berman jacksojackson hearing the distrt court in dc held that withers status as an fbi informant was without question true and accurate, the bureau maintained a stance that it would never release in full the withers informant file. my second and last story going back to what i said the elijah h mohammed and the nation of islam. as most of you who know the story of malcolm or know the late manning maribel's pulitzer prize-winning, he was murdered by a conspiracy organized by the nation of islam. the pri

he worked for jim baker who we interviewed later on tonight.ked for jim baker in the '76 delegate race and won for gerald ford on the floor, that convention. so they are starting to pay a lot of attention to it. it's late, but campaigns need to be flexible and you have to give the campaign credit that they are start to focus on this, because that's where the race is. >> they're not making tweaks, they're assembling the entire team now. the cruz campaign has been organizing the delegate process for months. this is not something you can't start overnight. it speaks to the lack of organization the trump campaign has. >> chris, i want you to respond. >> it's true the strength of the trump campaign has always been the candidate himself, his an ability to draw these massive crowds. cruz has had a campaign machine of people out there way ahead of the schedule, working delegate math, trying to get the states organized. i think cruz has an edge there. the campaign, to take gloria's analogy, at halftime, saying now we'll start to strengthen our delegate

jim baker's argument was these are the rules that this election was governed by and you can't changee game. when you're running for president you know what the rules are. >> that falls on deaf ears. i plead for everyone to listen to your voters. >> sure, if we want to play the argument that this is what people are thinking at the time, but the rules were created to try to keep order. the one rule we're not having spoken about tonight which is extremely important is the rule that you have to win eight states in order to have -- >> win the majority of the delegates. >> in order to have your name in the nomination. the fact that you have trued cr and donald trump aligned on this to try to squeeze out john kasich is going to be an epic battle. >> john kasich tonight sending out a memo saying the nomination process is wide open and he thinks he's the best to go up against clinton. polls show that. kasi kasich's big flaw is he's not playing in any of these states. >> don't go anywhere. he says he has the momentum, but bernie sanders has a problem when it comes to the math. we asked his cam

i would suggest that jim baker and george bush would be the best that you could hope for.ry kissinger and richard nixon and gerald ford. his foreign policy conceived at the state department or the white house? john kerry: it is always a combination. i have been watching that relationship for 28 years. the different national security advisers and secretaries. i always knew that one of the first rules is don't get into turf squabbles and don't start fighting. you are there to serve the president. both the national security advisor and the secretary. i serve at the pleasure of the president. it makes sense to be a team. we are a good team. i believe that. between the whole team the , entire team. everybody works together as a team. i believe it is too early for retrospectives. but i will tell you the president has given me enormous latitude. he has trusted me. he has given me enormous scope to go out and try something. and put him at risk too. i have huge respect for the presidents strength with respect to letting someone else go out and do something. he was deeply involved i

this is what i was talking to jim baker about. he said you have to know your customer.ow who you're dealing with, what they like, what they don't like, talk to them about politics. know their state. understand their issues. it's understanding their issues and how you can help them in their state and what matters to them. [ multiple speakers ] >> this is my whole point. if you show you can play by the rules in a convention in colorado and get all the delegates, then you've got a leg up going -- >> but every day that donald trump is talking about the rules and the process, he's not talking about his message. >> this goes to conservatives being worried about donald trump. he's basically saying the establishment is trying to stop me because i can't be bought. but ted cruz ain't the establishment. number two, there are legitimate reasons that conservatives might be concerned about donald trump because he's supported, you know, universal health care. because he wants to taxpayer funding of planned parenthood. because hillary clinton came to his wedding. >> yes, exactly. >> th

not even jim baker who was then ford's top delegate hunter. >> we had no assurance whatsoever that heority of votes necessary to be nominated. >> reporter: but he did, winning the nomination and earning baker headlines. but it was far from easy. >> mr. president -- >> ronald reagan almost knocked off an incumbent republican president. we had to get in there and fight for it. >> reporter: so as donald trump gets ready to rumble at the convention, baker has little sympathy for the argument that if trump is closest to the finish line going in he should be declared the winner. >> it's mathematically unfair. >> reporter: is that the way the process works? >> that's a good argument for him to make, but that's not actually the way the process is supposed to work. >> 20 votes for our fellow te n texan. >> it's supposed to work in a series of votes by the delegates on the floor of the convention. they select the nominee. it's a party's nominating convention. >> reporter: the good news for trump is that his supporters, like ronald reagans 40 years ago are die hard. >> reagan had the benefit of

>> i went to houston and talked to jim baker about this who ran the '76 convention for gerald ford.id you have to know everything about them. and calling them corrupt or the system corrupt is really not the way to do it, particularly if you're likely to win. >> but it also is a fact that the reason that the delegates are chosen the way they're chosen is two-fold. one is he's partially right, it is to keep outliers from getting the nomination. there's the delegate math and we're talking about that a lot as we should and there's also the electorate. to your point where cruz has underperformed is -- >> with the people, who should matter. >> with his base of evangelicals in the south, that's where trump overperformed. but where trump is really hurting now is can he grow his base of support beyond the more poorly educated, those without college degrees, white males, can he grow among women, can he grow among a diverse population in a state like new york at all. it's in part the saidism of these delegates who might waver. i can win, i can grow from where i've been. that's what he was demo

both men claimed to have the votes heading into the convention, but nobody was sure, not even jim bakerord's top delegate. >> we had no assurance whatsoever that he would get the majority of votes necessary to be nominated. >> reporter: but he did, winning the nomination and earning baker headlines. but it was far from easy. >> mr. president. >> reporter: governor reagan almost knocked off an incumbent republican president. we had to get in there, scramble for it, fight for it. as donald trump gets ready to rumble at the convention, baker has little sympathy for the argument that trump is closest to the finish line going in, he should be declared the winner. >> it is mathematically unfair. >> is that the way it works? >> that's a good political argument for him to make but that's not actually the way the process is supposed to work. >> 20 votes for our fellow texan. >> it is supposed to work in a vote or series of votes by the delegates on the floor of the convention. they select the nominee. it is, after all, a party's nominating convention. >> reporter: good news for trump is that his

. >> i said that back when reagan picked sh wicert, sends jim baker to try to poach votes. didn't do anything out of it, but he tried. this thing looks pathetic because she's lost three contests in a row. >> the question is, are two losers better than one? i mean, seriously, she had a brief moment, two, three weeks, she did well. >> because trump was awful in dealing with a woman candidate. >> and that's what they think. can we bait trump somehow -- >> into another one of those comments. [ all speak at once ] >> that was her great moment when she said every woman in america knows what he's talking about. >> and this is about trump's biggest weakness with women. he's bringing in carly fiorina to talk about the conversation with women. the problem is, trump is problem with women. >> do you think she'll goad him into a fight? >> vice presidential nominees, their whole job is to attack. >> this week? >> today. >> you think she'll do it tonight? >> yeah. >> she's very comfortable doing this. she likes being aggressive. you know, even if it's to the point of facts get in the way

and this is what i was talking to jim baker about, who ran the '76 convention for ford.id you have to know your customer. you have to know who you're dealing with, what they like, what they don't like, talk to them about politics, know their state, understand their issues. so it's not, you know, just about the kind of can i take him on a trip to mar-a-lago or go quail hunting with ted cruz, it's about understanding what their issues are and how you can help them in their state and what matters to them. >> you might deal with those issues on a quail hunt or -- >> or at mar-a-lago. >> have people never done business on the golf course? >> i think that's probably happened once or twice. >> in places like colorado, that's my whole point. if you show you can play by the rules in a convention in colorado and get all the delegates, then you have a leg up -- >> donald trump is talking about the rules and the process. he's not talking about his message. >> this goes to something gloria was saying earlier about conservatives being worried about donald trump. he is saying the estab

not even jim baker, who was then ford's top delegate hunter. >> we had no assurance whatsoever that heould get the majority of votes necessary to be nominated. >> but he did. winning the nomination and earning baker headlines. but it was far from easy. >> governor reagan, ronald reagan, almost knocked off an incumbent republican president. we had to get in there and scramble for it and fight for it. >> so as donald trump gets ready to rumble at the convention, baker has little sympathy for the argument that if trump is closest to the finish line going in he should be declared the winner. >> it's mathematically unfair. >> is that the way the process works? >> well, that's a very good political argument for him to make. but that's not actually the way the process is supposed to work. >> 20 votes for our fellow texan. >> it's supposed to work in a vote or series of votes by the delegates on the floor of the convention. they select the nominee. it is, after all, a party's nominating convention. >> the good news for trump is that his supporters like ronald reagan's 40 years ago, are die har

the president, there have been great secretary of state presidential relationships i would suggest jim baker and president bush 41 would be the best you could hope for. kissinger and richard nixon and gerald formed -- >> gerald ford. >> does policy start at the state department or the white house. >> it is always a combination, charlie, and i always -- you know, as a former chair of the foreign relations committee and 20 years on the committee watching the different relationships d different national security advisors and secretaries, i was new -- i always knew one of the first moves is, you know, don't -- don't get into terse squabbles and don't start fighting. you are there to serve the president, both the national security vis sorry and the secretary. and i serve at the pleasure of the ahe president -- at the president. so it just makes sense to be a team. and we are a good team. i believe that. >> rose: when you and the -- >> between the whole team. the entire team. the security team, everybody, works together as a team. and i think the president and, you know, it is too early for retros

bush came into office jim baker called it a high style takeover that separated them from the reagan administration to kick out the reagan appointees to put in their new team and that was part of a larger strategy we will come in and run our own ship and take time to reflect what that will look like and not just wrapping the tried to do that our just blindly accept what we are inheriting. we will think what we want to achieve. >> i remember reading that transition. thank nobody knows it's there telephone number racing for those initiatives within the carter administration i spent years the net of those policies are in place and it is a vulnerable time. whether it is friendly or not friendly. is important with this initial first your to of profits in place to collect information so another good anecdote is of first year of reagan's first term was bureaucracy and logistics'. put to say the phrase that comes to mind that so many people who are chosen in the first year did not get along with each other to would be in charge of doing what? so if you have some idea for this transition to allocate respons

bush came into office, he was vice president of the reagan administration and jim baker called it a hostile take over. they wanted to put in the team as well. they say look, we will come in and run our own ship and take time and really reflect on what that is going to look like. we are not going to try to distance ourselves from our predecessors or blindly accept what we are inheriting and take this as an opportunity to think through what we want to achieve and have available to us and the people we are going to rely on. >> i will say it's a time that i think is particularly vulnerable to mistake. you have a few people who have been confirmed and some pick and can't sign the memo. basically nobody know what is their telephone number is and their desk. people pick up on signals that the president has given and his inaugural and racing off with initiatives. my first experience in government was in the carter administration. we spent years trying to undo mistakes that were made in that period when really none of the systems that before you run off with them are in place. it's a really vulnerab

them. 300 retired generals, admirals, national security officials, famous diplolomats, including jim baker and brent scscowcroft and marine general zinni and the head of the former national security agency, bill odom, spoke out and wrote against invading iraq before it happened in march 2003. a majority of the people in this country think that there's something inflated about our military budget. [scattered laughter] all right. well, they've read the pentagon audits and the gao reports and the "60 minute" exposes and so on. it's horrendously inflated. waste, fraud, abuse is only part of it. we're still building cost-overrun military weapons systems dedesigned for the sovit union era of hostility. like, the f-22 should never be built. you could put it on this stage. that's how much $200 million of elecectronics cost, profit in overruns. why are we building more submarines, nuclear submarines? one trident submarine--nuclear warheads can destroy 200 cities. that's beforore it reloads. why are we building more aircraft carriers, $15 billion a carrier? we got 13. the next country to challenge u

>> there was jim baker was head of the ford operation.y were wooing delegates with ride on air force one to state dinners with queen elizabeth. an uncommitted delegate had a private meeting in the oval office with the president of the youth and came out with a federal our contract for his town and ford got his vote. but there was a lot of hand-to-hand combat. tempers flared on the floor of the convention. nelson rockefeller got into a famous confrontation with a utah delegate over his sign. there was the vice president of the news holding a phone over his head that was unattached to anything else after it was ripped out. it might have cost ray began the mom nation. martha: phones don't rip out of the wall anymore. they are all over facebook and instagram. how does that change it if it happen this time around? >> communications will be much better. we have walkie-talkies which if you got into the wrong side of the convention hall. you couldn't day in communication with people. i do remember as craig remembers the secretary of state, henry

jim baker culled it a hostile takeover in trying to separate the h.w. bush administration from the predecessors in the reagan administration. they wanted to kick out all the reagan appointees and put together their own new team as well. and that was part of this larger strategy of saying look, we are going to come in, run our own ship. we're also going to take time and really reflect on what that's going to look like. and we're not going to just rapidly try to distance ourself from our pred ses torpredecesso we going to blindly accept what we're inhereiting. >> thank you. i remember the transition i lived through. it's a time that's particularly vulnerable to mistake because you have a few people that have been confirmed and a few more that can't sign a memo. basically, nobody yet know what is their telephone number is or where their desk is. and people pick up on signals that the president has given in his inaugural, racing off with initiatives. and my first experience in government was in the carter administration. and we spent years trying to undo mi

ronald reagan, the minute he got if the nomination he went and got jim baker who was bush's campaignhe overcame that immediately, grabbed barrack and decided barrack would be better to return the campaign. that's the kind of thing trump has. he's got to move into national election mode here. bill: do you think hillary clinton loses in any sense to bernie sanders? is she the democratic nominee until. >> i believe their set of rules are as rigged and crazy as our set of rules to make sure the party can dominate and not the members of the party. if you look at and materials and her straight up. and materials is darn close. then you look at superdelegates she has which are all deals and she is winning by a massive amount. this is the won't american people are disgusted with both political parties. bill: she looks to be the democratic nominee. when trump started over the weekend about her crooked hillary, and the phrase he used was she has been crooked from the beginning, what sort of strategy is he now unwinding if it were to be head-to-head. >> it would go back to little rock when bill

and the federal government has long recognized including what mister jim baker talked about today, perpetuate negative and harmful stereotypes and moreover and vitally important, practices are ineffective from a law enforcement perspective. as eric holder stated such practices are simply not good law enforcement. as privacy officials and attorneys we seek to distinguish information which determines what is or is not protected under federal privacy law. privacy officials need to be engaged in policy development what information can or should be shared with other agencies. the purpose of justice, these responsibilities are in the department and we take a multilayered approach protecting privacy, civil liberty and civil rights. in 2014 the white house released a report titled big data, seizing opportunities, preserving values and this was the result of president obama's 90 day big data report. this report called on the department of justice to focus domestic use of predictive policing and focus on more complex predictive technologies for example not merely mapping crimes that already occur in su

he is somebody who worked in the '76 convention for jim baker and gerald ford.tion. he's trying to consolidate and take charge of this very important process that they can't win the nomination without. >> they need some real ground game. >> totally. >> cruz has an excellent ground game by all accounts. david, by losing in wisconsin, the trump campaign accused cruz of coordinating with superpacs which would be illegal. what does that tell you, that tough state of the campaign right now? >> well, obviously, ted cruz has gotten donald trump's attention. i thought that statement veered from tantrum to genius. the tantrum part was the part you referred to, very overheated and very trump-like. the genius part is he identified ted cruz as a vehicle for the party establishment. remember, ted cruz made his reputation within the republican party as an outsider challenging the establishment in washington. now he's the vehicle of that establishment to try and stop donald trump. and donald trump wants rank and file voters out there to know that ted cruz is the establishment

clear and it was persuasive and it persuaded not people just like me but people like colin powell, jim baker, people like the president of the united states, george w. bush, john mccain. you can impugn my credentials all you want. i think you'll have a heard time impugning theirs. mr. perry: i'm in the business questioning everything including my party because it is national security. national security, sir, comes before everything. with all due respect i'm not necessarily interested so much in the opinions of a terrorist. not only a terrorist but only one terrorist. and owe by the way, i don't understand and nor have you told me how it makes a difference whether it's in guantanamo or south carolina. what is -- can you tell me that? mr. gude: guantanamo is a symbol of torture and abuse that occurred during the bush administration at that prison and other prisons. it is not simply -- propaganda against guantanamo is not simply associated with the fact that there are military detainees there. there is nothing wrong with that. there was no propaganda associated with the charleston naval break.

jim jordan. he is the republican chair of the conservative house freedom caucus. we want to welcome sam baker of the national journal who is covering the court, including tomorrow's immigration case. thank you for being with us. guest: thanks for having me. host: let me begin with news this morning inside the new york times, the story of the pinto family in fairfax, virginia, any number of immigrants anxiously awaiting the supreme court outcome. what is tomorrow's case mean for this family and others in the u.s.? guest: there is a huge amount riding on this. president obama announced that allows up to 5 million people to stay in the country so there is a huge amount on the line for real families across the country. this is a program that is aimed at the parents of children who are citizens or who are legally in the country. a loss for president obama here could potentially mean families being separated, parents being sent back across the border where the children are allowed to remain in the country. it is a very human story in addition to an important story. host: let us take a step back and

chief of staff, that would have been cruz, he hired his chief of staff to be his chief of staff, jim baker>> during the primaries. >> they had a bitter primary. people forget this. >> bitter. >> i'm not going to say quite like this, but it was pretty bitter. ronald reagan overcame him and he said, i got my people. but they can take me so far. that guy baker, wow, he can take me the rest of the way. >> so as you shift from primary season to general election season -- >> then i'd like to see that shift in the trump organization. >> you want to see it now? >> i like to have seen it two weeks ago. but hopefully it will happen. new york primary is coming up. people should know i'm voting for him. he's the best choice among the republicans, better than the democrats. he'll make a good president. >> speaking of presidents when bill clinton was in the white house, back in the '90s there was some suggestion that donald trump might actually think about running for president. we have some things that we'reb -- that were obtained through the freedom of information act by buzzfeed. this is something th

characters, billy grahams the the elical leader who set mold for people like jerry dobson.ell and james jim baker. ou think of evangelicals as a key voting black, people who say heir religious values and traditions are essential in determining how they vote. that block is so key right now republican side. host: what is interesting about the book you keep going back to but ounding fathers referring to what we are dealing with today. here are a couple of excerpts the audience to get a taste. ou write future hitches will look back at present day as coming of age for the new america. we are simply following the instructions left by the founding fathers. guest: right. the thing is i was thinking the other day the founding fathers for a c-span interview you would have such trouble because they would be rock stars. everybody loves the founding fathers. they are a touchstone left and right. the thinking is what is the ssential triumph of the founding fathers is the constitution has endured more than 240 years. anything that we write and reate the latest gadget from not , 240 years from now relevant. the

jim baker talked about today, perpetuate negative and harmful stereotypes. biases practices are ineffective from a law enforcement perspective. as former attorney general eric holder stated such practices are simply not good law enforcement. as privacy professionals and attorneys we seek to distinguish intelligence and information which determines what is and what is not protected under federal privacy laws. officials need to be engaged and vol poll policy developments what should be shared with other agencies. at the department of justice, the responsibilities are within various offices within the department and we take a multilayered approach protecting privacy, civil liberties and civil rights. as mentioned in 2014 the white house released a report big data, seizing opportunities, preserving values the result of president obama's 90-day big data report. this report called on the department of justice to examine and focus domestic use of predictive policing and specifically to focus on the more complex predictive technologies. for example, not merely mappi

in assembling this program, i got a hold of jim haldeman to ask if he had covered this issue. he said, as a matter of fact, at the howard baker room at the university of tennessee. i would be happy to send you a transcript, a video of it. so here is a little clip from what happened, jim hamilton's recollection of these events. >> when sam called me early saturday morning, july 14, he said, lets go tell john dean what we just learned. a little later, sam picked me up. we drove to dean's townhouse in alexandria, virginia. his glamorous life, always well put together. john had a quizzical look on his face because he did not yet know what the purpose of the vision was. so we went upstairs to the living room. they sat on a couch. after preliminary conversation, sam sat down to the left. i stood before them by the mantelpiece, where i could look directly at john. i wanted to see john's reaction when sam told him what we now knew about the taping system. when sam finally did, john broke into a wide smile. he knew the tapes were going to confirm his damning testimony about president nixon. as he noted in his book, he said sam, you kn

baker hughes. other proposed mergers may alsor be in trouble. jim tankersley writes about this for the "washington post." >> thanks for having me. >> ifill: so give me a sense of whether this is a conscious, strategic use by the administration on tax policy to crack down on business. >> well, in this particular case, it's absolutely the administration saying this is a practice in the corporate worldo that we don't like, and we're going to use tax policy to stop it. itop looks very tailored in particular to mergers like the pfizer one which, i mean, it's very rare that you see a rule get announced on one day and the merger get called off the next but that's what they've pulled off here. >> ifill: so one of h the things when we talk about this, though, for instance, the administration decided they wanted to make financial advisers more accountable to clients. c >> yes. thatill: is that part of same strategy, or is that different? >> i think what we're seeing are two things.tw over time, we've seen the president sort of shed his inhibitions about takin

baker, a rare virus left him with little use of his right hand. just enough to switch his glove and to play his favorite game. baseball. his coach compared him to jim abbott, born without a right hand and did the glove switch in the majors for many years. >> determined young man. >> he looks cool. >>> it is gray out there right now. >> reporter: it is gray and damp. about the biggest snowstorm in new york city history ever. >> you lobbied for this. more excited than most. but here's the brand new list. >> reporter: a snow team was sent to look at the data from the january blizzard, which initially was a tenth of an inch less than february 2006. they recalibrate, now the biggest snowstorm in new york city lift. it felt like it during the storm. >>> now in terms of lower totals and rainfall, it is about these forecast models as we go through tomorrow morning, just taking sort of an average, very light rainfall amounts. a few places will see even less than that. a few hundredths. there have been sprinkles but it is dry across the span right now. 53. south wind 12 miles per hour, the pressure holding steady and the lie we told you 59. the average high

jim. it might be cloudy here in the nation's capital but it's sunny out in atlanta. that's why the nationals are kicking off the season under dusty baker. opening day and it did not take long for the fireworks to start. bryce harper at the dish here for the nats. and harper, he will send this ball into the right field seats. a solo home run, his fourth opening day home run and the third straight year he's hit one. right now the nationals and braves are tied up in the sixth inning at two apiece. also happening tonight, the national championship game between the university of north carolina and villanova. tons of local flavor in this match-up. chris jenkins and nate brit from gonzaga high school and josh hart from sidwell friends. jenkins and hart they play for nova, while britt will suit up for the tar heels. the championship game tips off at 9:19. >>> the most recognizable star in u.s. women's soccer is in trouble with the law. abby wambach was arrested over the weekend in portland, oregon, for driving under the influence. police say they pulled her over after she ran a red light and she failed a sobriety and breathalyzer test. wom wom

jim in just a moment. dow's down 19 points. >>> getting word from the department of justice that they filed a civil anti-trust lawsuit seeming to block the acquisition of bakeromplaint alleges it would eliminate head-to-head competition and markets for 23 products or services. loretta lynch saying it would harm american consumers that doj committed to vigorously enforcing. >> bingo. that deal is dead. you know what i'm going to do on stock trading? i'm going to do something i may regret. >> we mentioned williams and e.t. many know it's a deal we've been following for quite a long time. there was a battle as to whether this deal would get done. you may remember e.t. did this convertible off ring only including the "insider"s even though they were taking a lower dividend, very complex. they sued the morning both in delaware to unwind that convertible and in texas for tortious interference. this includes, jim, by the way, kelsey warren being interviewed to protect stockholders' rights. in speaking with people familiar on the williams side, they say, listen, we want this deal to happen and we believe by asserting this w we make it more likely that it does happen

jim harrison is still alive, we don't have this file. the most profound question to me as an historian focuses on the fbi's position, a position that predates baker'srole as general counsel. but they will never give up even decades later the records documenting what human informants have done in american political movements. i have a name for all of you to search for. it's a wonderful story tremendous journalism. ernest withers, mark parris ghia of commercial appeal in memphis has done phenomenal work in recent years documentary and how visitors like jim harrison was a major paid fbi informant against the civil rights movement. .. malcolm was murdered by criminal conspiracy organized in the nation of islam. the primary gunmen remains alive and free today living in newark. google the name willie bradley. we know, thanks to several documents released two or three years ago, as of sometime in 1965 come we don't know for sure of the date of his murder in february of 1965, that the fbi had multiple top level, the bureau term of art, top level informants in the nation of islam. and historians know the nation's story welcome have some very strong suspicio

jim bakker, then ford's top delegate hunter. >> we had no assurance whatsoever that he would get the majority of votes necessary to be nominated. >> but he did. winning the nomination and earning bakereagan almost knocked off an in couple dent republican president. we had to get in there and fight for it. >> so as donald trump gets ready to rumble at the convention, baker has little sympathy for the argument that if trump is closest to the finish line going in, he should be the winner. >> it's mathematically unfair. >> is that the the political process works? >> that is not the way the process is supposed to work. >> 20 votes for our fellow texan. >> it is supposed to work in a vote or series of votes by the delegates on the floor of the convention. they select the nominee. sit after all a party's nominating convention. >> good news for trump is that his supporters, like ronald reagan's 40 years ago, are die hard. >>. >> reagan had the benefit of the movement. his delegates were committed to what he stood for. >> just the same way trump's delegates are committed to donald trump as the outsider. >> provided trump can get them selected as delegates and not have his delegates slots fil