this book really addresses the jim crow era, jim crow era violence and resistance and law, looking at violence and resistance through the lens of law, looking at an era of our country, really the confederate states of the south which were in effect lawless. i described these as an authoritarian regime with a purportedly -- within a purportedly democratic state. it looks at these three things and unearths new stories, new information to paint a picture not just of what lives look like then, so it is history for its own sake. history that helps us understand what it meant to be alive in that moment. obviously as well, it is also history that informs us about the moment that we live in today, so that is the gist of the work. let me just say one other thing. the book really began as i began to meet families who had experienced these events and who were carrying these stories as their own personal history, their own family history. we traveled across the country to meet with folks who experienced these horrific atrocities, and our effort was to provide to them the material that the governm

they were ways of surviving segregation and jim crow.hey were passed down generally shortly- generationally to people like me. >> you talk about the podcast in the book, you are a journalist and a storyteller, tell me about the media and how you can tell the story differently in each one of them. >> when i came back from the 2021 mile road trip, 12 days, to record podcast, i first thought it would be a road trip, fog each city that w visited from detroit to new orleans. but during that road trip, susan, i found out that we connected with people in a very deep way. " and say things like i may not have time for this but liberty of the story. we would listen. when i came back and listen to everything i had recorded i relaxed i had something rich. i had insights, i had wisdom. i had memories. i had the voices of the others telling their own stories. in the podcast i had to take a more thematic view. what was this whole. in america about? and what did the green book capture more than just as a travel guide. it captured a lot more about black

a jim crow army cannot fight for a free world. and so if we fast forward ahead to 48, once president truman eventually signs the executive order to serve the military, that's after a decade intense pressure from civil rights activists roy wilkins, who understand that segregation makes no sense for military. it's trying to fight and win global war on this scale. if i leave you with one thing, it's just that segregation made no sense for the military then to do everything and duplicate it was redundant. it served no strategic or tactical purpose. but americans understand that and they want to to do everything they can to push against it. the book also highlights stories of the black americans who performed valiantly in combat. no how it just to hear edward carter if i had to vote for one of the most fascinating soldiers to fight in world war two, carter is right up there. he's raised by a missionary family. and so he grows up in china and, india, when he's 15. he joins the chinese national army to fight against japanese in shanghai.

this book really addresses the jim crow era, jim crow era violence and resistance and law, looking at violence and resistance through the lens of law, looking at an era of our country, really the confederate states of the south which were in effect lawless. i described these as an authoritarian regime with a purportedly -- within a purportedly democratic state. it looks at these three things and unearths new stories, new information to paint a picture not just of what lives look like then, so it is history for its own sake. history that helps us understand what it meant to be alive in that moment. obviously as well, it is also history that informs us about the moment that we live in today, so that is the gist of the work. let me just say one other thing. the book really began as i began to meet families who had experienced these events and who were carrying these stories as their own personal history, their own family history. we traveled across the country to meet with folks who experienced these horrific atrocities, and our effort was to provide to them the material that the governm

what is happening in tennessee and frankly, across the south is, in fact, jim crow.at jim crow was was blocking black people to have participation in their government, disenfranchising lawmakers >> this is what it felt like, a whole bunch of people who don't deal with dissent. >> i was down in nashville and i spoke with the legislatures there. what is happening in tennessee and frankly, across the south is, in fact, jim crow. what jim crow was blocking black people to have participation in their government, disenfranchising lawmakers and again, it's not just tennessee look at what's happening in mississippi. coming in to jackson and the state legislature stepping in. look at governor abbott in texas. look at what's happening in florida. this is an all-out assault. >> governor abbott, we wanted to be quick and i appreciate what you're doing with time, but it looks like he's okay if there's a pardon of a travis county, a blue county prosecution, a murderer conviction of a black lives matter - >> me put out a statement and said i welcome the pardon on my desk so i can s

the imposition of jim crow after civil war, the resisting force to civil rights. all people was wrong. it would be one step in an honest accounting of america's. a modest but meaningful balm for so many unhealed wounds. it would be an expression of the amazing changes that have transformed this state and this for the better, because of the work of so many of goodwill people of all races, striving form a more perfect union. yeah. by taking down that flag, we express god's grace. but i don't think god us to stop there. for too long we've been blind to the way past injustices continue shape the present that's right. perhaps we see that not. perhaps this causes us to ask some tough questions about how we can permit so many of our children languish in poverty or attend dilapidated schools or grow up without for a job or for career, perhaps causes us to examine what we're doing to cause some of our children, to hate. perhaps it softens hearts towards those lost young men tens and tens of thousands caught up in the criminal system and lead us to make sure that that syste

this is a time that is much like jim crow, it is a new jane crow in the united states where there are states and there are those where people no longer have access to bodily autonomy. amy: you have the leading pharmaceutical companies in this country signing a letter talking about the danger to not just mifespristone, but to all drugs, and the idea that a judge is overruling scientists at the fda. professor goodwin? >> yes. yes. well, that is a deep concern and worry. let's be clear, we're still in a pandemic. but note over the last three years, there have been people who have been denied, that there is such a thing as covid, that there is a pandemic. there are people who have been pressing that covid vaccines be taken out of the marketplace. their people who have moral oppositions to vaccines. there are parents who do not want to vaccinate their children against smallpox. imagine those types of individuals could also then petition a judge that they select, that they know might have similar views and petition that judge in order for those types of drugs to be removed from the marketpl

it it was a it was a product of the jim crow mores and that that's very significant because what you're i think what the book does is kind of lay out a scenario for how we get from there and the connection between enslavement of people and used in slave to where we are now to to have these communities surrounded by all of this pollution and how we get there. and so as we go back to looking at the book. i one of the things i notice was the relationship timothy mair's family and the of these polluting plants in the town. could you talk a little bit about that, about the connection between about their connection to this came to be and how this community became victims of environmental racism? i would be happy to. yeah i have to say that when i started. this your book catherine had not yet come out and i felt. there was a real dearth of of literature on environmental racism and i felt like what your colleague bryan stevenson had done and michelle alexander had done with with the legal system and what what others had done with things like housing, discrimination, redlining. we didn't really

i don't want to make comparisons between jim crow and new york city but in new york city you cannot get objective view and want to walk around town and have people say, that's the juror who freed donald trump and allowed him to be president. and the same thing is true with the judge. any decent judge would change the venue immediately but this judge won't do that. any decent judge would throw the case out on statue of limitations. this judge won't do it. he doesn't want to ruin his career. he doesn't want to have the reputation of being the judge who freed donald trump. remember judges in new york are elected. there is no way he can get a fair trial. i don't care if jesus, mohammed, abraham, lincoln, and george washington and thurgood marshall defended donald trump in new york he would not win that case. hung jury, possibly, acquittal, never. >> sean: by the way, i read the book in one sitting, couldn't put doesn't. it goes through a lot of charges. here's what i believe is happening here. that the left in this country so hates this one man, and really, they also hate the people that su

that is how you got jim crow. that is how you got to martin luther king jr. being denied his conceal carry permit by the fbi just as the fbi politicize his its behavior against its political opponents. that is not right. that is not america. you want to know who fixed that problem? it is you all, actually. the nra is the one that got the job done by securing the right of black americans own guns. that trained black americans to own guns. as a first generation american with a skin myself, thank you for what you did, i grew up in this country in the 1990's, where we enjoyed the freedoms that the second amendment secured. that's the america i know. thank you. [applause] the america i grew up in is not the america that i see today. today we have a country that says you enjoy free speech rights, yet douglas mackey is facing up to 10 years in prison for making a joke on the internet about hillary clinton. we tell you if you have a property rights in this country, yet they will use your pension funds to advance political agendas like telling -- telling on many facto

government at its worst is a form of oppression to help some and they saw that with jim crow.hat sparked an interest in me to make government a force for good. at 11 years old, i didn't think i would end up being here but here we are. host: carol in texas, independent. caller: good morning. thanks for taking my call and thank you for c-span. i just wanted to remind everybody that it's the responsibility of the congress to raise the debt limit and i don't think joe biden gets to vote on this until a bill is laid on his desk. the other thing i was going to ask -- it seems like kevin mccarthy wants to go right to the white house and i wanted to ask the representative, has kevin mccarthy come to the democratic caucus and tried to negotiate? he needs at least 218 votes to get anything passed. he only has 222 members. has he come to you all to try to negotiate instead of making an end run to the white house? guest: thank you. you are right, congress has to make that decision and i think when speaker mccarthy outlined his proposal, that was his first step i hope in a negotiation. you

the grandson of a guy born in 1921 in the deep south in a little town in south carolina during the jim crow era of southern life. as a young boy, my grandfather had to step off the sidewalk if a white person was coming, and never make eye contact. he believed then what some doubt now -- in the goodness of what america could one day be. he taught me to have confidence in our constitution and birth certificates -- the declaration of independence would one day somehow make a way for all god's children to be seen as equals. i thank god almighty that my grandfather, who was forced as a third-grader grader to start picking cotton to support his family, lived long enough to watch his grandson pick out a seat in congress. that is the country we have. and that is why i say from cotton to congress in one lifetime. only in america. only in america. we have too many false prophets talking about how we are condemned eternally for the original sin. i believe that our nation is a story of redemption. we continue to become a more perfect union, but if you wanted to ruin america, the blueprint has to start

there's a jim crow era of southern life. where a young boy utmy grandfather told me get off the sidewalk so all white person could make way and never make eyecontact . he believed then what some doubt now in the goodness of what america could one day be . he taught me as young fellow to have confidence in our constitution and our declaration of independence with one day somehow make way for all of god's children to be seen as equals. and i thank god almighty my grandfather was forced school as a third-grader to start thinking to help the family long enough to watch his grandson as he rtin congress. that's really have and that's why i say from cotton to congress in one lifetime. only in america n, only in america you see, we have too many false prophets talking about how we are condemned eternally for the original sin. but i believe that our nation is the story of redemption. we continued to become a more perfect union if you wanted to ruin america the blueprint has to start with patriotism, has to question the local person.

jim crow was not allowin buckley put to hav representation, not allowing black people to have a voice by expelling pearson and jones from the state legislative body, there are thousands of residents in tennessee disproportionately black and people of color who do not hav representation right now >> simone sanders townsend thank you for sharing that wit us by the way can catch the ful interview with the tennessee three including the tw lawmakers who were expelled on some on today, 4 pm easter right after our show you don't want to miss any of. that thank you symone, good to talk to. you coming up in 60 second everybody, clarence thomas the billionaire and th backlash despite saying that he prefers rv parks and the walmart parking lot. a new report detailing the supreme court justice wa treated to luxury vacations by a recombinant leyner the journalist about the story joins me next with more. to verizon. (cecily) wow! (seth) and i got to choose the phone i wanted. for free. (cecily) not that you're bragging. (vo) switch and choose the 5g phone you really want, on us. like the incredible

and jim crow, which was the twisted segregation and disenfranchisement of black man, basically, becausey men, black men to vote, black man could not vote. that chapter is being written at the very same time that there is tremendous technological progress in america, the mention of electricity and the telephone, and the extension of the vote to women. so it always happens that within political movement, dissension, a lot of disagreement about how do we move forward. and we see that today, of course, and that is one reason why we say it is important to hang onto the values that we have in common, not that we will always agree. there will always be some sliding back. it's just the way it is. histories on a light switch. it does not just go on or off. >> we are at the halfway point of a conversation with elizabeth cobbs, whose new book is titled fearless women: fearless patriots from abigail adams to beyonce. we'll fast forward 60 years, and now we are in the video age. this is a clip of marketeer. [video clip] when my mother and i were traveling under very stressful circumstances because m

and i think what is happenin here is replacing jim crow >> one difficulty people hav understanding iserm, the vestiges of slavery. >> talk to me about that >> this is the residue of it even though it goes away, ther is still some residue of it. there is still the implication that african americans may b less than because of the color of their skin's. the schools that teach african americans are less than an should be funded less. education to african americans should receive less attentio in health care, so there wil be disparages -- when those things linger people suffer disparities. you have these unintende consequences we say, hey, there is somethin wrong in our community and i can be linked to slavery they say, that was 400 years ago. yeah, there are still th vestiges of slavery. you have these indications o it we have them pop up, not jus one incident, it's another one someone should've said, i think, last night, after a caucasia member was retained and an african american member was, not someone should have said hold on now, what are th optics optics? >> their views don't allow

as we saw this week, this is not just ancient history either many of those jim crow law were still ond forrest, a confederate general and the first grand wizard o the ku klux klan was onl removed from the tennessee state capitol in 2021. and just last month, republica state representative paul, sherrell, y'all, he was forced to apologize after suggested that tennessee should brin back hanging by a tree, also known as lynching, as a form o capital punishment in th state. so, with all that context in mind, it was hard not to agree with this activist - then that was first printed in the tennessean newspaper i 2019 but remains painfully accurate today let me be clear. tennessee is a racist state. racism is in the air we breathe, permeating the state capitol codified in the legislatio being passed at the detrimen of women, communities of color and the working poor our problem is with racism i the state's wild untamed and justin jones has turned mirror to the legislature an the gubernatoria administration, inviting the to look inward and promp introspection towards thei ideologically destru

and we see those slave codes evolve into black codes and eventually what we call jim crow laws creating a system of legalized segregation and discrimination that later in the plessy versus ferguson case in 1896, the supreme court legalizes and ratifies. so that's a large failure in reconstruction. another failure in reconstruction is even though there is there's a huge improvement in education, there's another area that would have greatly benefited african-americans in the south and that be the redistribution of land. so you have this large formally enslaved population and you've got these white plantation owners and unfortunately, the land is not generally going to be redistributed. and so then that begs the question of what kind labor system is going to emerge in the south during and after reconstruction. and what what does happen is the emergence of a labor system known as sharecropping in theory, sharecropping is better than wage because sharecropping gives the workers the opportunity to, profit from their hard work and split a share of the proceeds. and sometimes that works, but al

driving the green book talks about the annual travel ide used bmany african-americans during the jim crow europe that listed safe hotels, restaurants, gas stations and other businesses. he visited a dozen of those sites to learn me about the bookhistory and lasting impact. that's tonight at 7 p.m. eastern on c-span's q&a. >> all this month, what's the top 20 winning videos from c-span's 2020 three studentcam video documentary competitio every morning

for theft, for segregation and separation, for enslavement , for jim crow laws , for sharecropping , mass incarceration, the war on drugs funded by the government. >> reporter: she told me she didn't think getting reparations would put her ahead. it would just make her equal. so, what would she do if she received $5 million? >> i will buy a home here because the community here is beautiful . >> reporter: while she waits to see if that day ever comes, she told me she is going to keep living her life making art and doing what she can to stay in san francisco. >>> heading into this afternoon, showers are slowly going to start breaking apart. i know it was a wet commute for us this morning but we have good news in store just in time for the easter weekend. light showers turning to dry conditions this afternoon. we are dealing with breezy winds sweeping in from the south . this will break apart around 5:00 but here is the best part of this whole forecast. it will be a dry and warm easter weekend. we saw a frontal system sweep its way through around the 8:00 hour this morning. notice how i

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what is happening in tennessee and frankly, across the south is, in fact, jim crow.what jim crow was was blocking black people to have participation in their government, disenfranchising lawmakers and again, it's not just tennessee. look at what's happening in mississippi. coming in to jackson and the state legislature stepping in. look at governor abbott in texas. look at what's happening in florida. this is an all-out assault. >> governor abbott, we wanted to be quick and i appreciate what you're doing with time, if there's a pardon of a travis county, a blue county prosecution a murder conviction of a black lives matter -- >> me put out a statement and said i welcome the pardon on my desk so i can sign it. it is an assault and i think these young people, young state legislators who stood up have galvanized. >> brandon, not a single republican leader has supported what tennessee has done. it is no doubt in my mind the silence is sending a message of oh, my god, that looks terrible, but i don't think it's helping the party's image. >> no. what do they do? this happe