david caton joanna williams biology. eacher, is david, former english teacher is joanna. so what a perfect pair to get into this tonight because keir starmer , he's had so much keir starmer, he's had so much to say across all different aspects of educational reforms. i've got to say the list of them are longer than about three of my arms put together, and we do go off air at 7:00. so we've picked a few to draw out when it comes to what is missions actually are. let's have a look . right. are you ready? sitting comfortably. everyone he wants to end private schools, charitable status. he reckons that that will save 1.7 billion in tax revenue . this money will in tax revenue. this money will be used to recruit 6500 extra teachers in shortage subjects such as maths . it also will be such as maths. it also will be compulsory for new teachers to have a formal teaching qualification or be working towards one. they also plan to give teachers £2,400 retention payments to stop them quitting and there'll be a consult on scrapping of

joanna williams author of how williams there, author of how woke you want woke one. ail, thoroughly, thoroughly, recommend you, joanna, recommend it. thank you, joanna, for evening. for joining us this evening. ben, we're talking then ben, when we're talking then about implications of about what the implications of this might be, i mentioned at the about we we're the top as well about we we're moving very rapidly. i think behind the scenes towards a central banking digital currency, a financial system and finance is your background. so it's a financial system which may come with conditions attached as it does in other countries such as china. do you think conversation now that think this conversation now that we're having, makes that less likely because people are suddenly aware ? suddenly aware? >> i think this has been a big awakening moment. certainly for the public, and i think it will be also for the corporate world. yeah. what nigel has has done that others before didn't have the profile to achieve is as as you say, as joe has said, is shine a light. and i think

joanna williams author of how williams there, author of how woke you want woke one. ail, thoroughly, thoroughly, recommend you, joanna, recommend it. thank you, joanna, for evening. for joining us this evening. ben, we're talking then ben, when we're talking then about implications of about what the implications of this might be, i mentioned at the about we we're the top as well about we we're moving very rapidly. i think behind the scenes towards a central banking digital currency, a financial system and finance is your background. so it's a financial system which may come with conditions attached as it does in other countries such as china. do you think conversation now that think this conversation now that we're having, makes that less likely because people are suddenly aware ? suddenly aware? >> i think this has been a big awakening moment. certainly for the public, and i think it will be also for the corporate world. yeah. what nigel has has done that others before didn't have the profile to achieve is as as you say, as joe has said, is shine a light. and i think

more seriously though, as gb news regular joanna williams pointed out this week, it's all well and good to express themselves clearly , but they themselves clearly, but they need to have something worth saying . what's the point in saying. what's the point in having gift of gab having the gift of the gab if you have substance to you have little substance to backit you have little substance to back it up? someone less polite than myself might argue some of our are a testament our politicians are a testament to wasn't too long ago to this. it wasn't too long ago that rishi sunak made maths his flagship policy, but least we flagship policy, but at least we can say rishi demonstrably can say rishi is demonstrably good maths . keir quite can't good at maths. keir quite can't quite say the same for rac, can he? but at least he's taught us one lesson. you absolutely one life lesson. you absolutely cannot charisma . well, cannot teach charisma. well, there you go . there you go. >> i so passion disagree with you about this . you know, you you about this. you know, you delivered that beautifully

academic act the author those plans may be in breach of the academic act tiwilliams has and academic joanna williamsk and joins me now to tell us more. good joanna. more. good evening, joanna. >> hello. >> hello. >> can i ask you firstly about this guidance ? what we've learnt this guidance? what we've learnt so to be that the so far seems to be that the government is sending very mixed messages it's clear messages and it's not clear exactly what they're achieving here. fill on that? >> so this guidance has been expected for many , many months expected for many, many months now, and the government are dragging their their feet with it to teachers are crying out for some direction to be told what to do with all these children who are gender confused . some teachers seem to think that the best thing to do is to allow children to transition at school and not tell the parents that this is what's happening . that this is what's happening. and yet, rather than issuing clear and strong guidance to say, look, this is unacceptable , all parents must know if children are transitioning and really we don't want

academic act the author those plans may be in breach of the academic act tiwilliams has and academic joanna williamsk and joins me now to tell us more. good joanna. more. good evening, joanna. >> hello. >> hello. >> can i ask you firstly about this guidance ? what we've learnt this guidance? what we've learnt so to be that the so far seems to be that the government is sending very mixed messages it's clear messages and it's not clear exactly what they're achieving here. fill on that? >> so this guidance has been expected for many , many months expected for many, many months now, and the government are dragging their their feet with it to teachers are crying out for some direction to be told what to do with all these children who are gender confused . some teachers seem to think that the best thing to do is to allow children to transition at school and not tell the parents that this is what's happening . that this is what's happening. and yet, rather than issuing clear and strong guidance to say, look, this is unacceptable , all parents must know if children are transitioning and really we don't want

and i don't wish to be overly cynical , but i did read a very interesting tweet, an article by joanna williamsr. >> she wrote, it's all well and good children being able to express themselves , but they express themselves, but they have to have something worth saying . saying. >> no, think that's a very >> no, i think that's a very good point. and i think what she might referring to is might have been referring to is that when they have debates, for example , if they do have it as example, if they do have it as part of this new programme, which actually a good which i think is actually a good , thing in a way, if they , good thing in a way, if they have they've got to have debates, they've got to be able to disagree. i mean, the whole way our culture has gone now in education is that actually what you're allowed to disagree about is very, very narrow . in fact, everyone has narrow. in fact, everyone has safe spaces and all of that. so there has got to obviously be something to some serious consideration given to that on the on the broader point, i find it interesting coming from keir starmer ,

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