joining us now is michigan secretary of state, jocelyn benson but.t is such a strange turn of history in this country, that suddenly, the campaigns for secretary of state, statewide, have become among the most important in the country. and i know you realize that before this era, your office, getting people to name their secretary of state within their state was kind of a trick question. and not a lot of people could answer that, but it's never been more important now. >> it's always been important. and thanks for having me, lawrence. i wrote a book on this office back in 2008, about how secretaries of state service guardians of the democratic process. and voters have everywhere, an opportunity to choose to elect secretaries of state from either side of the political spectrum, who will do their jobs with the integrity, from a nonpartisan standpoint, and exactly why democracy prevailed in 2020, it was because we had secretaries of state, democrats, independents, republicans committed to doing their jobs professionally. and now, the fact that so many o

we'll take reconnected a movie back with jocelyn benson.elyn benson uh, how come we don't call ourselves bikers anymore? i mean, "riders" is cool, but "bikers"...is really cool. -seriously? -denied. can we go back to meeting at the rec center? the commute here is brutal. denied. how do we feel about getting a quote to see if we can save with america's number one motorcycle insurer? should flo stop asking the same question every time? -approved! -[ altered voice ] denied! [ normal voice ] whoa. okay, we've got her back. joining me right now is jocelyn benson, michigan's secretary of state. thank you for being there. just a reminder. we're talking about an effort by gop operatives who are trying to install and train poll workers and democratically dominated communities. it's not unusual for parties to train workers and poll watchers. what stands out to you about the reporting in politico? are you concerned that their efforts could ultimately even intentionally disrupt the upcoming election? >> yes. that's exactly. it you're, right there is ab

but jocelyn benson is deliberately doing the opposite. why is she doing that? is she trying to shake your faith in the coming elections? you've got to wonder. and of course, jocelyn benson's concerns about election integrity are strangely selective, or maybe not so strange. she never mentioned, for example, a major and supposed the unintentional screwup by the census bureau that just took place, probably have not read about it, the census dramatically miscounted the population of 14 states and you may not be surprised to learn most of the over counted states were controlled by democrats. the undercounted states were heavily republican. why does this matter? because the senses determines congressional apportionment, so the mistakes the census just made could give democrats control of the congress. therefore democrats aren't bothered by it. that is not a crisis. democrats also are very interested in making sure votes are counted quickly. counting votes quickly, like delivering justice quickly and certainly, may be the single fastest way and most important way to

we'll also talk to jocelyn benson tonight. how the election fraud conspiracies fuelled by the former president ended up with angry protesters outside her house screaming. later, the school's police chief in uvalde, texas, put on leave. i'll have the latest on the police response to the robb elementary school shooting. >>> what more do we know about the subpoenas, manu? >> reporter: this is a significant escalation by the justice department, which is investigating this fake elector scheme and has been focused on lower level republicans up until this point. but our colleagues have now learned there has been a subpoena issued for david schaffer. he's the republican party chairman in georgia. he also played a significant role, central role, in coordinating with the trump campaign over its efforts to try to find these so-called fake electors that would try to deny joe biden an electoral victory when the joint session of congress met on january 6th to count the votes from each state. we also are learning there were several other sta

>> joined now my michigan secretary of state jocelyn benson.yst andrew mccabe, former deputy director of the fbi. secretary benson, the video of people protesting outside your home, i don't care what side of the political aisle somebody is on, the idea of protesters going outside their home screaming at them in the middle of the night just seems ridiculous to me. it obviously can't even capture the full scope of what it must have felt like to actually have that happen to you. what is that? how do you describe that? >> as i said to the committee, the uncertainty, everything that unfolded minute by minute, we didn't know what was going to happen next. for a full 45 minutes, all that stood between my family and those on the street was one neighborhood security guard. it wasn't just my house. it was my neighbors who also have kids in the middle of the night, hearing these things shouted outside their windows. it was terrifying. it was terrifying. but at the same time, i also vividly remember feeling -- recognizing that these folks, they weren't pro

plus, michigan secretary of state, jocelyn benson.e wallace, joy reid, chris hayes, lawrence o'donnell, ari melber, stephanie ruhle, all here for our special primetime recap of today's hearing of the january 6th incident investigation. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> good evening, thanks for being with us tonight. as the january six investigation continues it's blockbuster series of daytime hearings, we know that not everyone can take two or three hours out of their workday, or school day, to watch live. we have committed here at msnbc, though, that throughout these hearings, we will meet here together each night, to do a primetime recap of what happened. the evidence the committee presented, the witness testimony, the new news, the surprises, and today, was a day with a whole bunch of surprises. so, let us just start. let us jump right in. i think there is roughly, arguably, four main things the investigators showed us today. we are going to summarize all of them here tonight. now, i will just note at the outset that today's hearing was really tightly orga

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joining us now is jocelyn benson, democratic secretary of state for the great state of michigan, secretary benson, it's great to see you again. thank you so much for making time for thus evening. you have faced an avalanche of voter fraud conspiracy theories in michigan, after and during the 2020 election, what is your reaction to this new reporting that republicans are essentially trying to start earlier this time, training teams of volunteers and poll workers to look for fraud, even before, and during the actual election and voting process. how will that impact your line of work? >> well, thanks for having me, and for covering this really important story. i think to be clear, it's important, and it's not a bad thing in and of itself to be recruiting election workers and poll workers, we know, a lost organizations do it. what is problematic here is these individuals are being fed misinformation and potentially being prepared to interfere with the elections process themselves, as you know, as the story out of virginia illustrates. from our story, we have meetings with clerks on this issue

. >> jocelyn benson, democratic secretary of state for the state of michigan, madam secretary, thank, it's a great pleasure. thank you for your time. still today, we have a preview of the arguments that some prominent democrats will be making, as voters head to the ballot box. by the looks of it, they are not mincing their words. is this a sign of what to expect as we head into the midterm election? stay with us. the midterm election midterm election stay ♪ you know how i feel ♪ copd may have gotten you here, but you decide what's next. start a new day with trelegy. no once-daily copd medicine has the power to treat copd in as many ways as trelegy. with three medicines in one inhaler, trelegy helps people breathe easier and improves lung function. it also helps prevent future flare-ups. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. do not take trelegy more than prescribed. trelegy may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis. call your doctor if worsened br

listen to this tape from the michigan secretary of state, jocelyn benson. >> 45 minutes later, we started to hear the noises outside my home, and that's -- my stomach sunk. i thought, it's me. and then it's just, we don't know what's going -- the uncertainty of that was what was the fear. like, are they coming with guns? are they going to attack my house? i am in here with my kid. i'm trying to put him to bed. so it was -- that was the scariest moment, just not knowing what was going to happen. >> we also heard from a former georgia election worker, she and her mother ruby were the targets of trump's lies, specifically lies about them. the former president accused them, falsely, of moving suitcases of ballots on election night. moss described the toll this has taken on her. >> i don't go to the grocery store at all. i haven't been anywhere at all. it's affected my life in a major way. in every way. all because of lies. from me doing my job, the same thing i have been doing forever. >> but despite facing terrifying threats of violence from trump supporters, cnn's pamela brown reports those

. >> jocelyn benson, democratic secretary of state for the state of michigan, madam secretary, thanks a great pleasure. thank you for your time. still today, we have a preview of the arguments that some prominent democrats will be making, as voters head to the ballot box. by the looks of it, they are not mincing their words. is this a sign of what to expect as we head into the midterm election? stay with us. long. psst! psst! flonase all good. the census tells you a lot about people. you could tell on the census records that at very, very young ages, they were cooks, they were farm hands, they were servants. there's auralia, 4-years old. i have learned a lot about the rest of the family, it was really finding gold. one of my grandfathers, didn't even know his birthdate. i figured out the exact year he was born. the census records fill in gaps, it helped me push the door open. your record label is taking off. but so is your sound engineer. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit ind

his fellow awar dees were zelenskyy, liz cheney, jocelyn benson, shaye moss.uary 6th committee, the former president attacked him again in a statement, calling him a rhino. playing along with the unselect committee. and claiming that bowers had credited trump with the election and he told me the election was rigged and that i won arizona. rusty bowers refuted that and told his story again at the hearing on tv and in front of a worldwide audience. >> and i said, look, you're asking me to do something that is counter to my oath when i swore to the constitution to uphold it. and i also swore to the constitution and the laws of the state of arizona. and this is totally foreign as an idea or a theory, to me. and i would never do anything of such magnitude without deep consultation with qualified attorneys. i said i have some good attorneys. and i'm going to give you their names. but you're asking me to do something against my oath. i will not break my oath. >> many watched and said, hey, stand up guy. doing the right thing. he also described to the committee the th

. >> joining us now, michigan secretary of state jocelyn benson.am secretary, you've been one of the sort of clearest and most fact-based witnesses to the attacks on democracy, really, since the election, and i wonder how seeing this other side of your experience, of holding up democracy in your state in terms of the terror that was eked out against you and your family felt for you today. >> it was tough. it was tough. it was tough hearing that audio again. it was seeing the video. and it was tough knowing that it's not over. that this is, you know, you could watch this hearing, saying, oh, this has happened -- this was about a past election. but it's not. this is a live battle that we're in the midst of fight, and it's that uncertainty that i talked about is still there. that anxiety still exists, and i don't know yet when we will be out of this moment, but we certainly heard the depths of which many of us have been dealing with challenges over the last few years and how far it's gone. >> you know, when i see, sitting in my chair, we cover the epi

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joining me now is jocelyn benson, michigan secretary of state, meaning she is in charge of administering this caught my eye when i saw this story today. first, i guess, can you tell us what is the nature of this investigation? and what this is all about? >> well, thanks for having me, chris. and for shining a light here on our work to really get to the bottom of what is going on. the bottom line is that in michigan it's illegal for third parties to have unauthorized access to voting machines. it is illegal for many reasons, in part because we need to secure voting machines prior to every election. and we have won this august. so, i asked the ag, our state attorney general, to investigate all attempts to legally gain access to election equipment in michigan, to determine first of the equipment can be used it in subsequent elections. and also identify those who have not just broken the law, but to see if there are connections in coordination between what is happening in our state and other states. and ensure that we seek full justice and accountability for anyone who is trying to access ou

yesterday, on my peacock show, i had the pleasure of speaking with the michigan secretary of state, jocelyn benson anyone seeking public office would take part, or allegedly take part, and an insurrection to take over an election. as you point out, this is not an anomaly. in michigan, we see candidates for all statewide positions, including nominees for secretary of state and general. it is to advance a lie of who won the 2021 election. they continue to spread misinformation and look towards future elections, as you mentioned, and to potentially overturn election results they do not agree with. it is not just in michigan. it is in states all around the country. you see a trifecta of people running for attorney, governor, and secretary of state, who do not believe in democracy. >> the michigan gop put out a statement about ryan kelly's arrest, saying that they are weaponizing the justice system in an unprecedented way in against their political opponents. why isn't the republican party, especially in michigan, running as far away as possible from someone who was just arrested by the fbi for partici

. >> i know that secretary of state jocelyn benson is working with a number of other secretaries of state to ensure that they can have integrity in the electoral process. it's another illustration of what this election year it looks like, in michigan, unfortunately for your state, or public and candidate for governor was just arrested by the fbi last thursday. charged with misdemeanors for his involvement with the january 6th riot. are you worried about what is going to happen in your state of any one of these extremist candidates actually breakthrough whatever walls are left, and winds in the fall? >> i think it is very important that people have the facts about who they are voting for. i am not -- i want people to know who he is. i am not hoping for him to withdraw from the race, because i think that would create more young fire. and by the way, many people know that he was a victim when he was arrested on the same day that the ease hearings started. and i think that for many people, people need to get out in the country and understand what people are feeling. they are angry at everybod

. >> yeah, i also -- it jumped out at me as well, knowing that michigan secretary of state jocelyn bensonw many precincts there were in detroit and debunked his claims of fraud there, which was at the center of his michigan delusions. everyone's sticking around. there's more ahead for us. a significant change in this country from last week as fox news actually covered today's 1/6 hearing live, meaning, that audience saw the truth about the big lie. we'll see if anyone thinks it will make a difference next. we'll see if anyone thinks it will make a difference next. only at vanguard you're more than just an investor you're an owner. that means that your priorities are ours too. our interactive tools and advice can help you build a future for the ones you love. that's the value of ownership. lemons. lemons, lemons, lemons. look how nice they are. the moment you become an expedia member, you can instantly start saving on your travels. so you can go and see all those, lovely, lemony, lemons. ♪ and never wonder if you got a good deal. because you did. ♪ ♪ i want to rock and roll all night ♪ ♪ a