a very deep hole and he's got real problems extricating himself from that situation, i think. >> joe kleine column is in the latest issue of "time" magazine on line now. thank you very much, joe. >> with romney on the verge of locking up this nomination, is it too early to be talking about who he might pick as his running mate? insiders say not, and who better to ask than new york magazine's john heilman. he helped immortalize the 2008 sweepstakes, veep stakes. thanks for joining us. >> great to be here. it's never too early to talk about the veep stakes. >> we always have fun with this. for those who say nobody vote forward someone because of a vice president, there are people in game change who most likely voted against someone because of who had been picked for the ticket. so it matters. >> well, it clearly matters. i think it matters in one way which voters do vote for the top and they look at this decision as a prism through which they can judge the judgment of the nominee. it's a big decision so the question is, i think voters look, is this person qualified to be commander in chief f

i was just talking to gloria and joe klein about this.i want you to listen here, governor romney trying to take on the fairness divide, essentially posing his version of the ronald reagan question, are you better off than you were four years ago? >> we will stop the unfairness of government workers getting better pay and benefits than the very taxpayers they serve. and we will stop the unfairness of one generation passing larger and larger debts on to the next. >> that's different sound than i expected there, but you get the point, austan. he also said, what do we have to show for 3 1/2 years? is it easier to make ends meet? is it easier to sell your home or buy a new one? how does the president answer that question with when governor romney tries to make it a referendum on his record? >> well, if you burn down the back half of your house, it's probably not the right time to complain that it takes too long to rebuild it. i mean, the policies, that it strikes me, that governor romney's proposing are multi-trillion-dollar, high-income orien

one of my favorite articles was one that joe klein wrote.antorum was inconvenienced -- "rick santorum's inconvenient truths." we talked about how we would build a copy -- a country from the bottom up and we carry around our copy of the constitution. that got the tea party folks excited. we talked about the operator's manual of america being discarded by those in washington. i tried to bring to the battle what abraham lincoln brought to this battlefield back in 1863, november 19. he talked about this country being conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. he was quoting the declaration of independence. we talked about the declaration as the heart of american exceptionalism. we will never be a country that can go forward as a great and our book country unless we remember who we are -- great and powerful country unless we remember who we are. that is what our campaign was about -- what made as americans, how we built the country from the bottom up, how we could be successful in the future, how we must

and i know joe klein will be upset about this, but one of my favorite articles was one that he wrote.re his headline was "rick santorum's inconvenient truths" and talk eed about things that maybe we should talk about a little bit more but somehow get shoved aside in the public discourse. we talked about how we were going to build a great country from the bottom up and we carried around our copy of the constitution. of course, it was that constitution that got the tea party folks excited, legitima legitimately so, about the operator's manual of america being discarded by those in washington. and i think what i tried to bring to the battle was what abraham lincoln brought to this battlefield back in 1863 on november 19th when we talked about this country being conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. he was quoting, of course, the declaration of independence. conceived in that declaration. and we talked about that declaration as the heart of american exceptionalism as to who we are. because we will never be a country that can go forward as a

and i know joe klein will be upset about this. one of my favorite articles was the one that he wrote where his headline was, rick santorum's inconvenient truths. and talked about things that maybe we should talk about a little bit more but somehow get shoved aside in the public discourse. we talked about how we would build a great country from the bottom up and we carried around our copy of the constitution. and of course, it was that constitution that got the tea party folks excited. legitimately so, about the operator's manual operator of america being discarded by those in washington. and i think what i tried to bring to the battle was what abraham lincoln brought to this battlefield back in 1863 in november 19th. when he talk about this country being conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. he was quoting, of course, the declaration of independence, conceived in that declaration. and we talked about that declaration as the heart of american exceptionalism. as to who we are. we will

joe klein met with me and he came over because he wanted to do a conference on education.he joined when he was chancellor of the new york city school system. i would like to get a few people around me interested in different fields. not just politicians. on education, i want to say very clearly that i and we are passionate about it. we believe that it is an absolute disgrace, the standard of education here and in america. 30% of children drop out of high school. they are committed to the underclass forever. a.m., -- and, there are different states to tackle this. it is siri difficult. not for lack of money, but lack of teacher cooperation. there are a lot of issues here. with society and the way it is going. out of the few best recognized education systems, great britain and america have dropped. this is a crime against the younger generation. we want to do something about that. we keep hammering at it. i am sorry to divert from the topic of business inquiry but is just an example of -- it is not for us to fill papers of, but to try to get people involved in this issue. >>

i know joe kleine will be upset about this, but one of my favorite articles was one that he wrote, where santorum's inconvenient truths. talked about things that maybe get shoved say aside in the public discourse. we carried around our copy of the constitution. it was the constitution that got the 6 tea party folks excited about the operator's manual being discarded by those in washington. what i tried to bring to the battle was what abraham lincoln brought to this battle feel when he talked about this country being dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. the declaration of independence, we will never be a country who d go forward as a great and powerful country again unless we remember who we are and what makes us americans. that's what our campaign was about, about what made us americans how we built this country from the bottom up, how we must believe in ourselves and our ability to go forward and do the same thing. >> we want moon more counties t anyone else in this race combined. what we found was that while we found that support, i found a deeper love for this

and i know joe klein will be upset about this. one of my favorite articles was one that he wrote, his headline "rick santorum's inconvenient truth." and talked about things we should talk about more, but get shoved aside in the public. we talked about how to build a great country from the bottom up and carried around the copy of the constitution. it was the constitution that got the tea party folks excited, which we saw about the operators manual of america being disguarded by those in washington. i tried to bring to the battle was what abraham lincoln brought to the battlefield when he talked about the country being conceived in liberty and dedicated to all men are created equal. he was quoting, of course, the declaration of independence, conceived in the declaration. we talked about that declaration as the heart of american exceptionalism. we will never be a country that can go forward as a great and powerful country unless we remember who we are and what makes us americans. that's what our campaign was about. about what made ou

i know joe klein will be upset about this.les was one he wrote where his headline was "rick santorum's inconvenient truth," and talked about things maybe we should talk about more but somehow get shoved aside in the public discourse. we talked about how we would build a great country from the bottom up and carried around a copy of the constitution. it was that constitution that got the tea party folks excited, legitimately so about the operator's manual of america being discarded by those in washington. what i tried to bring to the battle was what abraham lincoln brought to his battlefield in 1863 november 19 when he talked about this country being conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men were created equal. he was of course quoting the declaration of independence. we talked about that declaration as the heart of american exceptionalism as to who we are. we can never go forward as a great and powerful country again unless we remember who we are and what makes us americans. that's what our campaign was

one of my favorite articles was one that joe klein wrote. "rick santorum's inconvenient truths."ut how we would build a country from the bottom up and we carry around our copy of the constitution. that got the tea party folks excited. we talked about the operator's manual of america being discarded by those in washington. i tried to bring to the battle what abraham lincoln brought to this battlefield back in 1863, november 19. he talked about this country being conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. he was quoting the declaration of independence. we talked about the declaration as the heart of american exceptionalism. we will never be a country that can go forward as a great and our book country unless we remember who we are -- great and powerful country unless we remember who we are. that is what our campaign was about -- what made as americans, how we built the country from the bottom up, how we could be successful in the future, how we must believe in ourselves and leave in the ability to go forward and do the same thing. against

joe levy, thank you very much. a little bit later in our next hour, we'll talk to larry klein, a long-time producer of dick clark's new year's rockin eve. and then we'll chat with gloria gaynor, who got her big break on "american bandstand." first, though, a look at the headlines. christine has that for us. good morning, christine. >> good morning to you, soledad. police divers will continue to a north carolina pond to continue searching for a ft. bragg soldier, who has been missing since the weekend. private first class kelly bordeaux was last seen at a fayetteville bar early saturday morning. investigators would not elaborate about a lead they got yesterday that led them to search for her in that pond. >>> a toronto man has been arrested for allegedly convincing a 12-year-old new jersey girl to perform sex acts online by pretending to be justin bieber. 34-year-old lee moyer faces charges of pornography, extortion. he may be in contact with other young girls he met on facebook in canada, united states and the philippines. >>> at-nra event, ted nugent said he would be dead or in jail if president obama gets re-ele

joining us is joel klein and writes in the newest issue of "time" magazine and says romney's candaidacy has suffere, quote, long-term damage. joe. i'll read a line from your column which is excellent as usual, there is a deeper problem for romney. he sees a figure from the great depression, a combination of daddy war bucks and old man potter. he celebrates destruction at a time when destruction has been too creative. he talks a lot about firing people and he can't help himself. explain the basic premise of what you're writing. >> well, i think that that's a romney-related part of it, but there's a broader problem here which is that the republican base really dragged these candidates well to the right of the american people and romney suffered some real damage with latinos, with women, with people in the midwestern states like ohio and michigan because of the stance that he had to take during the course of the campaign and his problem is reinforced by the fact that he often seems clueless talking about the create of destruction and about the joys of firing people. in his -- you know, you were covering it the other night when he