al is joined by joe klein, lisa letter and ed rollins. >> the difference in the campaign, we're now going to is a new clear war, nothing but rubble at the end of the day. if bill clinton thinks cruz is not going to hit on-- whatever it takes, my sense is they've got everything they want on cruz, everything they want on trump. i assume republicans have got everything they want on hillary and bill. and watch bill overreact as he did this past week with bernie sanders, his blood pressure must have gone 25 point this week and i worry about his health. but i would just say from day one, once there is a nominee here t will be hand grenades full boar and a billion dollars adding on to the negatives already there, nothing but rubble left. somebody will survivor but it will be a survival. >> we conclude with the new movie a bigger splash joined buy luka guadagnino and tilda swinton an ralph fiennes. >> we didn't sit around-- what is great about being not on a set, it is real t immediately gives us so much. >> politics and a new movie when we continue. >> funding for charlie rose is provided by the

al: joining me now, joe klein, political columnist for "time," magazine.ational politics reporter from the associated rest, covering hillary clinton, i am pleased to have them all at this table. let me ask you this, trump, a huge victory. is that clearly in the pathway to the 1237 votes? if he does well in california, i think you will do well next week. he may come close to the delegates. al: hillary now segues to the election. >> we will certainly see her make that pitted. we saw it last night. she have to win just 27% of the remaining delegates. of course, she could lose by huge margins in all the states, but there is no indication bernie sanders will drop out anytime soon. he is getting 28,000 people here in prospect park. he will still be in the game, the question is whether he starts pivoting away from attacks or leaning into them. if he is leaning into them, that will be a problem for her. al: they both won and their adopted home state, what does that tell us about the election this year? joe: i was happy to see the return of culinary popular is him.

time columnist joe klein considered by many to be a liberal bought into american exceptionalism in a disturbing way by 2012 interview on msnbc's morning joe. you have four-year-old girl being blown to bits because we have a policy that says, you know what, instead of trying to go in, take the risk, we are going to blow everyone around them and he mentioned collateral damage. bottom line is whose four -year-old gets killed. so it's preferable that four little girls get killed in order to protect american little girls. american exceptionalism is also reared his head after 2013 leak of the department of justice paper that describes circumstances under which the president ordered the targeted killing of u.s. citizens. there had been little public concern in the united states about drone strikes killing people in other countries, but when it was revealed that u.s. citizens might be targeted, americans were outraged. this was by senator rand paul 13-hour filibuster for cia director. it's this double standard that motivated arch nobel peace prize winner which bill mentioned, do the united st

inclined to believe that the clintons are arrogant, that they don't think the rules apply to them, as joe klein 20 years ago, that they're the tom and dacy buchanan of american politics. people who think that have decided that. >> yeah. and e.j. dionne writes about what we were having trouble putting into words, what clinton and sanders owe progressives. any doubt that clinton and sanders are fed up with each other was put to rest in thursday's debate. in big block type, the "new york daily news" proclaimed them brooklyn brawlers. will both candidates now acknowledge the differences between them are minor compared with the philosophical chasm that separates them from any of their potential republican foes. >> let's just stop right there. john heilemann, they're not minor. hillary clinton's a neocon for the most part. bernie sanders is not a pacifist, but far different. their approach to wall street is pa far different. >> their philosophical differences are minor compared to their collective differences with the republican party. and i think both hillary clinton and bernie sanders would happily