joe madison known as the black eagle, host of the joe madison show on sirius xm satellite radio weekdaysm 6:00 a.m. to 10:00 a.m. eastern. >> thank you for that kind introduction, i appreciate being here john. it's good seeing you again. >> john: of course, of course, as you know many americans are furious, many of our viewers are angry, but they're also tired of well-intentions talk that never mansions to change anything. now you, sir have spoken extensively to make sure that this is a movement and not just a moment, what do you mean by that? >> well, let me give you something that the late professor ron walters who was the long-serving chairman of of science department of howard university said to me when i asked him what was the difference between a moment and a movement. he said the real difference is sacrifice. that those people who participated in the civil rights movement they sacrificed a great deal. many of them sacrificed their jobs, their marriage, their education and of course their lives. so we can't let trayvon martin's death and the subsequent trial just become a moment wh

to the joe madison show joe welcome to thank you great to have you with us again first fog curious your reaction when the headlines first came across the. george zimmerman was found not guilty why did you have to wait for the headlines i was actually waiting and watching for the jury's decision and my my first reaction was just stunned disbelief be quite honest i had i had thought along with a lot of people that second degree murder might be difficult to prove the privacy of the mind and getting into his head and what he was thinking although you know legal folks thought about it it was it was doable but i certainly certainly was convinced that manslaughter would be the case i mean. we know it was a fight. and you're not allowed to bring a weapon or in to do so weapon into a fist fight and get away with it now that's just the bottom the bottom line you know what's fascinating in reading this is to stick to the report that you've done i was this morning i just came back literally just got off the plane from florida. and and during my show this morning. we were looking at this set to stic

joining me now melissa harris-perry and joe madison.nk you both for coming on the show. >> thank you. >> absolutely. >> melissa, in your opinion, why are these remarks important? >> there are so many reasons. all of us who were watching it were stunned by how personal the president was. in fact, not only personal, but i have to say i was experiencing a sense of his vulnerability. you know, talked about the peculiar sensation of always looking at yourself through the eyes of others who look on with amused contempt and pity. that's how he described the african-american experience in this country. so as i am watching the president and feeling a sense of hope associated with having an african-american man acknowledge the painful history that black people have had in this country, the continuing painful experiences of our children and our adults, and then tying that to the american narrative. on the one hand, that was hopeful. on the other hand, i am watching that through that double consciousness, thinking of it all the while of what the pr

joining me now is goldie taylor and joe madison. thank you for being here. e o'reilly and the rest up to? >> well, they're up to diversion. that's exactly what it is. look, the far right, when you hear them talk, talk as if everything is personal responsibility, as if public policy has nothing to do with it. so take wall street for example. personal responsibility. people who drove wall street into the ground did what? turned to government, public policy, to help bail them out. and we did. so what they're trying to say is the problem with the black community is that they are pathological. they're pathological criminals. they're path logically ignorant. and therefore when it comes to public policy, that is the need to invest in the community. why bother? because they are just pathological. it is inherent. and that's really what is going on. number two, and finally, they are going -- look, women are ticked off because of abortion rights. hispanics are ticked off because of these draconian attitudes that the far right is preaching on radio. and blacks are ticked

joining me now is g joe madison. thank you for being here. t are o'reilly and the rest up to? >> well, they're up to diversion. that's exactly what it is. look, the far right, when you hear them talk, talk as if everything is personal responsibility, as if public policy has nothing to do with it. so take wall street for example. personal responsibility. people who drove wall street into the ground did what? turned to government, public policy, to help bail them out. and we did. so what they're trying to say is the problem with the black community is that they are pathological. they're pathological criminals. they're path logically ignorant. and therefore when it comes to public policy, that is the need to invest in the community. why bother? because they are just pathological. it is inherent. and that's really what is going on. number two, and finally, they are going -- look, women are ticked off because of abortion rights. hispanics are ticked off because of these draconian attitudes that the far right is preaching on radio. and blacks are ti

joining me now is joe madison. ng here tonight, joe. >> thank you, reverend. >> joe, why wouldn't this be a civil rights case? >> i really don't know why it wouldn't be a civil rights case. just like the group where you today came to washington, understood it, i was with the naacp in orlando, florida on monday. and i said, you know, trayvon martin had a right to walk in that area of that complex just like vivian malone had a right to walk in to the doors of the university of alabama, just like rosa parks had a right to sit on that bus wherever she wanted to, just like medgar evers had a right to walk on his driveway without being shot down. and that's really, i think, how the justice department should look at it. and i said this morning that, look, this is not the era of jim crow. but the result is still the same. everyone must have themselves. what did trayvon martin do wrong? that's the question. >> and see -- let me say this also, joe. and as you notice, these cases have happened. we talked about rodney king last

let's listen to what joe madison a radio host had to say to that. >> if that's the case, we ought to be afraid of every white man, because the hard data says that they are serial killers. we ought to be afraid of every white man because they blow up buildings and kill people in movie theaters and high schools. >> those strong words got a big response from the crowd here at what was a spirited and peaceful protest. don? >> athena, thank you. i want to bring in anti-racism activist tim lash. you had a book called dear white america out now right? >> yes. >> let's talk about the last two comments that america has a reason to be afraid of black men because they commit the bulk of the crime and joe madison says we should be afraid of white men because they blow things up. >> we only use racial profiling or the rationalization of it when it applies to the other. when white folks do things disproportionately whether serial killing, mass murder, drunk driving, school shootings, we don't hear people saying let's set up road blocks in white suburbs to catch white drunk drivers. in other words,

the trial may have ended the conversation about race in america is just beginning or that with joe madisonjust a moment and mainstream democrats and many leading. hundreds of the so-called liberal media have spent the past month attacking n.s.a. whistleblower edward snowden these same people have been as kneejerk in their defense of the n.s.a. and the president george w. bush were the one in office.

the trial may have ended the conversation about race in america is just beginning or that with joe madison just a moment and mainstream democrats in many leading pundits in the so-called liberal media have spent the past month attacking n.s.a. whistleblower edwards.

joining me now are joy reid and joe madison. r being here. >> great to be here. >> thank you. >> joe, why are some right wing pundits so afraid of having an honest discussion about issues we're still facing in the country? what are they afraid of? >> blacks, hispanics, and women. your show at the very beginning showed king. look, this all boils down to the ballot box. and this is the time to take the conversation into action and start forming if there ever was a time, it's right for coalition building. can you imagine if you billed a political and social coalition of african-americans, women, and hispanics and by the way, young white men who understand that they're not going to be regressives, they're going to be progressives. then you've got a political force that changes the very political culture of this country. and that's really what they're afraid of. so that's why -- i mean, that remark by limbaugh was -- i mean, i sat back and just cracked -- >> this is low for limbaugh. even for him it's way out. be u joy, there has been

joining me now our goldie taylor and joe madison. at the naacp convention last year, joe was given an award for using media to promote civil rights. thank you for being here, and joe, congratulations. >> well, thank you. and i accept that award on behalf of all of us who understand what frederick douglass understood and other people who understand that journalists can be activists and have a responsibility. because we're the first drafters of history. i'm not a journalist. but we have to make sure that this is, as you say, not just a moment, but it is a movement. and so thank you very much. >> let me ask you quickly, joe, because i have some got to go to goldie. do you think some of the right-wingers are disappointed that there wasn't violence and incendiary rhetoric at the rallies this weekend? they had whipped this fear up. >> of course they were disappointed. you know, there is an old country term. it's called poking the bear. and that's what they were doing. and the reality is that what they need to understand is this. that the co

then you have joe madison and the naacp convention which is 30 minutes away. nothing more than a modern day lynching. reaction? >> these geese started, when i say these guys, hollywood, the entertainers, from the initial event 17 months ago. they live fwh that bubble, shawn. they live in that absolute bubble where they can say anything. the problem is an apology doesn't mitigate what they've said because it incites others. due process, let's deal with the issues. what they are is idiot particular. people pay attention to them. i'm not going to give them a pass. if you're held to a standard as a public figure, if i am or any other public figure for what you say, why are they allowed to get away with it? >> they're race mongers and they know how to do that. it opens the door to violence, the peddling of racial poisoning. they label it white guilt and black anger. it's the same old racial poisoning i've heard for years. then you have the media. al sharpton, every cop he has indicted has lost. al sharpton is on msnbc and all these hot heads are in the media stokin

joe madison, al sharpton, all of them, this takes it out of the local issue and out of a due process that's where we get emotion involved. >> i disagree. you know who made this case about race? i say zimmerman when he made that statement those people. who was he talking about? >> no. [several jeering] >> what about crazy ass cracker? >> who said? zimmerman did not. >> sean: hang on. >> racial profiling there was racial profiling here. >> sean: prove it? >> there was no racial profiling here. >> you had the entire -- >> -- with the trials we may not always have direct evidence but it's circumstantial. >> you look at that comment. >> all right. finish your thought. >> when you look at the comment he made, those people and he referred to a holes always get away with this. >> no. >> mercedes? >> you played the entire 911 tape and, when they asked what did he look like? zimmerman said i don't know. i mean, he started to say that he is white. he wasn't sure what color. >> he didn't know what color he was. >> he never mentioned color. he did not say it's some black kid. nothing like that. h

the hypocrisy in just a second but just to finish on the jim crow theory my friend and colleague joe madison was here a couple days. and he said you know it's no longer jim crow it's now james crow e s q and and to its certain extent that that it's that subtle more subtle more pulling away we see what the supreme court we see with all these states ash angel these laws and it makes it i think harder for average white people who who don't have much contact with the issues and don't think about these issues it's not the same kind of in your face stuff we saw when you and i were young you know back in the sixty's and seventy's. how do we cut through that how do we expose that it seems like the trayvon martin murder and the george zimmerman trial has at least cracked open that conversation but it's got to be a lot more than that does it not know that's true but i want to come back to the other bill madison he does that's a magnificent job done in washington d.c. the black eagle but there is a difference between james esquire jr that holds for the black middle classes because it's not in the face

frisk a little under one first cent this isn't policing its four rassmann last year radio show host joe madison appear on this show and told me what he told his son about how to deal with law enforcement. there's not a day that when my son walks out that door i had to tell my son in our neighborhood be very careful now don't move quickly don't say anything and certainly he's been taught to have respect for the law this is this goes beyond having respect for law enforcement officials this goes about you will be profiled be very careful you will be followed let me white people have never had to tell their children that it's not easy to talk about race and certainly not easy to find an easy fix to all the problems racism causes. sunni but that conversation is a necessary one and the time to start that conversation is now we like to think of america as a beacon of democracy but every day american citizens african-americans have to endure the daily insults of a demick races that is just. less rubble. joining presides low liberal rubble our matthew veda senior editor at capital research center and pa

of society from employment to education to housing all slavery and jim crow maybe of the past as joe madison so brilliantly says james crow esquire is alive and well today racism pushes people into poverty and keeps them there perpetuating that caste system as a two thousand and four harvard study pointed out employers are more likely to call back someone with a white sounding name like alice than they are to call back someone with an african-american sounding name like lutetia. to make matters worse pundits like bill o'reilly make racism acceptable to white society by saying that african-american communities are plagued by black on black crime even though a white person is just as likely to be killed by a fellow white person as a black person is to be killed by a fellow black person is keeps the myth of rampant black criminality alive encouraging white people to fear blacks and perpetuating racism in business education and society in general take a look at our criminal justice system for those who grew up in. impoverished communities selling drugs is often the only source of stable income t

let's listen to what that radio host joe madison had to say about that -- >> if that's the case, we oughtte man because the hard data says that they are serial killers. now, we ought to be afraid of every white man because they blow up buildings and kill people in movie theaters, and high schools. >> so, pretty strong words there we heard from that radio host. they got a big response from this crowd. we also heard from clergy and from activists like dick gregory the longtime civil rights activist. it was a very spirited but peaceful as well rally here, don. >> all right, thank you very much, athena jones. >>> want to go now to the west coast and dan simon. dan, we saw violence in l.a. after the verdict last weekend, most of the rallies were peaceful, but how are protesters treating this call for justice today? >> reporter: hey, don, well, really from coast to coast all these protests today have been peaceful, and no exception here in los angeles. i guess the thing that stood out in my mind, don, is you really had people of all races and of all ages here in front of the courthouse, the fed

joe madison, mark thompson, they turned this not into justice and due process but into justice based on a black victim narrative. >> lets listen to the trayvon martin family attorney. he said it was race and it started from the beginning. >> to everybody that put their hoodies on and to everybody who said i am trafb, his family expressed their heartfelt gratitude for helping them the last 17 months. the whole world was looking at this case for a reason. what people wanted to see as we all said, how far we have come in america in matters of equal justice. certainly as we have said, we'll be intellectually dishonest if we didn't acknowledge the racial undertones in this case. so we have to have very responsible conversations about how we get better as a country and move forward from this tragedy and learn from it. >> ben says you're being intellectually dishonest for saying this is not a conversation about race. >> ben crump in 2006, the martin lee anderson case, black teen killed at a juvenile camp. young pictures of him. he brings al sharpton, jesse jackson, then senator barack obama