and instead of talking to joe oliver, listening to the attorneys. sounds like he's freelancing out there. so it makes for a crazy development. >> what do you make of his attorneys also -- at one point they said maybe he's suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, they mentioned ptsd. they said he's losing a lot of weight. perhaps he's very unstable. what do you make of that? >> when you think about this, you have these attorneys who have never actually met with him. he by the way says -- >> you're still marveling at that. >> i'm marveling at that because he actually made the statement -- he zimmerman saying they're not my attorneys but they have given me legal counsel. i don't know. that's a mixed message, but nonetheless, for them to say he's suffering from these conditions. i mean, this is the outline of a defense in a criminal case potentially a murder case. you don't do this. it's not in the client's interests. >> even joe oliver said he hasn't met with him personally. you're saying wait a minute, you're hearing all the stories, you're gett

joe oliver, the man you just saw, who has been making the media rounds presenting himself as a friend softball interviews until he appeared on this show. when he was here, he insisted that he wasn't being paid, but he told nbc news today that he would no longer be the zimmerman family media adviser. today, two agent says for the state special prosecutor's office canvassed the area where tr trayvon was shot and interviewed residents. the new lawyer on the case is an experienced defense attorney and an experienced tv talker. he did a lot of television legal analysis of the casey anthony trial in florida. he also is a former police officer and a former prosecutor. the file that he is opening today in defense of george zimmerman has some serious problems in it. here to summarize the case as it stands tonight are eugene o'donnell, a former new york city police officer and prosecutor, and charles m. blow, editorial writer for "the new york times." thank you both for joining me tonight. i just want to summarize what i think this lawyer's looking at in his file tonight. and eugene, one proced

joe oliver, who you quote, admitted he's not spoken to george zimmerman about this.is he telling us things that may or may not have happened -- >> toure -- >> you're spreading misinformation and this is not helping america at an incredibly difficult moment. >> if i could just point out two things. one, brian williams, i think you're aware of him, the face of nbc news, they are trying to get robert zimmerman on the show. are you aware of that? >> that's not the information that i had 30 minutes ago. >> okay. maybe news has taken over for you. secondly, you tweeted this. new slang, you're zimmermaning me, equals you're killing me. that's a responsible piece of journalism, isn't it? >> in the first days, weeks of the situation, what i was trying to do was to pile on and to say hey, look, this guy is not doing the right thing. this guy has harmed somebody in our community. some people misconstrued that and i'm sorry about that. but this is an incredibly serious situation. and i -- >> so serious that you felt the need to do stupid jokes? >> you're showing that you don't u

listen to us and talking to joe oliver and listening to attorneys sounds like he is freelancing out there. so it is certainly making for a crazy development. >> what do you make of his attorneys at one point saying maybe he is suffering from post traumatic stress disorder. he said he is losing weight and perhaps very instable. >> when you think about this you have these attorneys who have never actually met with him. he -- >> still marveling at that. >> he zimmerman said they are not my attorneys but have given me council. that's sort of a mixed message. this is the outline of a defense in a criminal case, particularly a murder case. you don't do this. >> said he has worked with him personally. so you are saying you are hearing these stories. are you getting them all on the phone. if i'm somebody's that close friend and i'm an attorney i'm having a face to face. >> perhaps you can come back and say we called big dog attorneyed and still so many questions. >> if they can find him. >> which is the crazy thing getting back to the father thing. you know what a judge would say to his son? sit

documents signed, it seems there wasn't, they seem to characterize him as suffering from ptsd, joe oliver, a friend of george zimmerman has also said similar things. do you think that's a fair characterization? >> if he's going to be diagnosed with something, that's going to come after a consultation, and an expert, like a psychologist or psychiatrist will make that determination. having done this for many, many years you get a feel for these things. i was able to interact with him very well. he's rational, certainly. and he understands what's going on. he is extraordinarily stressed, as anyone would be if they were in george zimmerman's position. >> so at this point, you really have not talked to george zimmerman about what happened that night, the facts of the case? >> i have not. >> you're waiting to talk to prosecution. >> i will have a conversation and i don't like having it in the jail but we'll talk about more particulars of the case. i'd love to have that conversation with him at my office when he's out on bond. i'm not just going to wait to see what the state says before i talk t

>> the first thing i heard from george zimmerman's camp was a statement from joe oliver. and his statement that was george zimmerman naively thought this would blow over. and they gave him that indication. but the thing is, you know, i can't tell you how george zimmerman feels. i know these parents lost a child, and they lost a child because george zimmerman made a decision to confront their unarmed innocent child with a gun and shoot him in the chest. >> now, when you look at the fact that the other attorney with them says that zimmerman is told not to follow martin on the 911 tape, that it was misinterpreted. let me show you what he says, i want to go to the tape. >> they said you don't need to do that, and then the tape later shows that he said okay. how they came face to face i think that will come out in the investigation. >> and the tape clearly says this, let me play the tape for you and the viewers. >> are you following him? >> yeah. >> okay, we don't need you to do that. >> okay. >> now, it's not some time later, he says okay right away. and then interestingly en

there was joe oliver peering as a spokesman for george zimmerman.here were eventually two lawyers peering on television as basically trying the case on television. i noticed today you took a very different approach. you said that you would not be commenting on the evidence at all, which is the professional approach in a situation like this. do you think the zimmerman case has been in any way damaged by the way the previous lawyers kept coming on television and boldly asserting claims of evidence as if they were in possession of that knowledge themselves? >> if i had any frustration at all, it was the fact that anyone who puts out evidence in a piecemeal fashion does damage to the case but more importantly in a case of this nature can really sort of inflame some of the emotions that already exist and for no benefit. it's like handing out a few pieces of a puzzle and you don't get a full picture and it causes more frustration. >> i was especially struck when george zimmerman's father went on local television in florida and added evidence to the case w

we had the former media adviser to the family joe oliver said to me that it was just in case they wanted added a lawyer that had experience dealing with the media. and now you have this legal defense apparently website. so, yeah, i do think you're seeing the beginnings of them preparing for the possibility of an arrest. >> i think we have to assume the same with the number of people they put on the record for interviews. not least the lawyer, the pr man as you say and the brother of george zimmerman. >> yeah, absolutely, martin. i talked to an attorney out of miami that's a criminal defense attorney. we talked about this, and the idea here is that you do see a lot of elements of trying to publicly shape the defense of george zimmerman just in case there is a trial. they've really put a lot of information out there. it is, of course, hearsay, but if it is an attempt to get his side of the story out without george zimmerman himself having to appear. from the standpoint of trying to build up a defense, it's not a bad idea to get their narrative out there for potential jurors. >> right. zimm

joe oliver, a friend of his, also has said that he's concerned he's suffering from ptsd.id he seem to you? >> anderson, he sounded very lucid. he was clear and concise in the delivery of the talking points that he wanted me to share with the media and the public. >> do you know the new attorney? >> yes, mark o'mara. >> do you have an opinion about him? >> he's a preeminent lawyer in the central florida area and has an impeccable record. i just want to share that our team on this side, anderson, this is going to be -- you know, this is a new game, okay. they teed it up, they kicked the ball to us. okay. we took the ball and with mark as our quarterback on this team, on our team, we're going to take that ball and we're going to find the end zone of innocence. >> you believe in the end he will be exonerated? >> yes. >> frank, appreciate it. thank you. >> you're welcome. >> frank taaffe, a friend of george zimmerman. joining us is darrell parks, one of the attorneys for trayvon martin's family. mr. parks, thanks for being with us. we saw trayvon martin's parents at the news c

even the friend joe oliver, who made the media rounds. how much of an uphill battle do you feel you have legally and also perception being reality, trying to combat the narrative that has already been out there through so many leaks about this case? >> i was frustrated as an attorney watching it happen with no involvement in the case because i don't like when cases and information is in effect leaked from one side or the other because it's simply one piece of a puzzle and it can only give a bad impression. good or bad, one way or the other, a wrong impression. and i was frustrated by that. i don't believe that miss corey is going to continue to do any of that. i don't intend to. i had a particular frustration when i thought that it was miss corey's office that allowed the video of the sally port of the jail event with mr. zimmerman to be released because i wouldn't understand why she did it. it was not her. it seemed to have been done without her knowledge. and -- because that type of information just keeps the fan -- feeding the fans --

joe oliver, the plan appearing on television defending zimmerman is stepping down as the media advisorr says it is because a new attorney is being brought on the team who has more resources to handle media requests. that new attorney, hal uhrig is a former police officer and a senior partner in a six-lawyer firm and told fox 35 in orlando that he fully believes zimmerman's story of self-defense despite never having met him face-to-face. >> there are cases where like i want to hear my cliebt ae version and look in his eye and see if i believe him or not. i understand the sanford police have given him a voice stress test and he passed that. >>> a new poll shows a big racial divide of regarding this case and joining me is grio.com contributor earl hutchinson. thanks for your time. let me take a look at this. this is the questions, and it says do you think there is too much coverage of trayvon. 43% of the those were white said yes. 16% who are black said they think it is too much. then roll down to too much coverage question, breaking it down by how people vote. 56% of republicans say too

i did reach out to joe oliver, george zimmerman's friend. he's not really commenting on this.id allow this thing to play itself out. one of the things that he said is that he still does not believe race was a factor. bottom line, when they go to court, it's not going to be a question of race being a factor. the question is a 17-year-old was killed. how was he killed? and now people are saying thank goodness that a jury will get to hear and we'll get to see all of the evidence to have an understanding of what took place on that fateful night in orlando -- sanford, florida, i'm sorry, on february 26th. >> do you think there's going to be a different reaction if this goes to trial and we reach the point -- if mr. zimmerman is found not guilty in this case? >> we have no idea what the reaction will be. that's the question, people's emotions. i will say what ben crump has said and i've been saying it and others have been saying it and that is that people should be respectful. there should be nonviolence. there shouldn't be any of this ridiculous drama out there. i don't care what t

. >> roland martin reported today that he contacted joe oliver, who had been working as a spokesman for george zimmerman, kind of up until charles and i interviewed him, and he didn't perform too well on it. but he told roland martin that he texted george zimmerman today, did not get a reply, but texted him saying, i think you're making bad decisions. we also have, i think, some tape ready to go on the lawyers today, talking about what they think george zimmerman's current state of mind is. they think he may be in some way mentally incapacitated at this point. let's listen to that. >> shaken babies. when you -- you can't shake me, i'm too fat. but if you get me on the ground, you can accomplish the same thing, which is to smack my brain around inside my skull. that would put any reasonable person in reasonable fear of serious physical injury. and under florida law, that entitles you to use any force including deadly force to defend yourself. >> okay. that was not the clip i was looking for. we have so many clips from this news conference, but there is one i'm going to try to find here,