you wonder if joe wilson could actually go lower than he did before? it turns out even when he's reading from talking points, he can go lower. i do think that if you look at the totality of house republicans, this is an interesting dynamic about how this is going across the party lines and the fault lines -- exposing those fault lines within the party. you've got the house republican leadership coming out here along with nancy pelosi saying yes we agree. joe wilson is even more of an outlier to what's left of the republican party than he was before. i don't think it's challenging on a political basis for the president. what looked like a tremendous gamble over the weekend now looks a lot safer in the politics and foreign policy. >> the politics is much different. richard wolffe, karen finney, thank you for your time tonight. and watch "disrupt" with karen finney weekends at 4:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. >>> coming up, look out america. donald rumsfeld is trying to give you some advice. the gop's convenient amnesia when it comes to iraq. >>> pl

. >>> and in our pretenders segment tonight, the truth hound, joe wilson.s committee hearing on syria, so the congressman, he thought he would pick up the slack. >> why was there no call for military response in april? was it delayed to divert attention today from the ben gas ir, i.r.s., n.s.a. scandals, failure of obama care enforcement, the tragedy of white house drafted sequestration or the upcoming debt limit vote. again, why was there no call for military response four months ago when the president's red line was crossed? >> well, joe wilson was just upholding his long-standing tradition of keeping a meeting on track. here's the congressman during president obama's joint session of congress in 2009. >> the reforms i'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally. >> you lie. >> secretary kerry pointed to the mounting evidence that was not available in april and let wilson's vacation combo platter fall flat. if joe wilson believes he is being a watchdog, he can just keep on pretending. ♪ we go, go, we don't have to go solo ♪ ♪ fire, fire, y

and you see joe wilson there, having to actually hold in his hands the paper and read word for word what staff has written for him to say there. this is the time when -- i would think when you were sitting there in the house that you had to be embarrassed for the whole body at moments like this? >> absolutely, you know the saying, you work on capitol hill, for the first six weeks you say, i can't believe i'm here. and the next six months, you're saying how the heck did these people get here? >> exactly. >> lawrence, it is one of the most somber and serious responsibility in congress to put the men and women in harm's way. to see tea party knuckle heads, like congressman wilson, politicalize this, this incredible responsibility when he knows that benghazi and the irs has nothing to do with syria, has nothing to do with the national defense is just disgraceful. >> former congressman and iraq war veteran, patrick murphy, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thanks, lawrence, i appreciate it. >>> coming up, why does the world think that chemical weapons are worse than conventional

where are america's allies, who else is on board with this plan, and here we're just listening to joe wilson of south carolina even bringing in domestic issues of suggesting, alleging, raising the possibility that the president was some how using this crisis to divert attention from the affordable care act and some other domestic issues, from my perspective, a very odd com compilation of charges of this decision to use military force. it was congressman wilson who in a state of the union address called mr. obama a liar. >> yes, have you heard much of a challenge to the intelligence case being made by the secretary of state? >> i haven't heard much on that line of question. >> yes, i don't think they're questioning so much whether chemical weapons were used. it sounds to me as if they're questioning what is going to be accomplished if the u.s. takes military action. how much military action will be necessary. will we be absolutely certain there will be no boots on the ground. i also have heard secretary kerry and also secretary hagel indicate that the administration has already been providing

joe wilson went even further last week when he accused the administration of using syria for politicals. was it delayed to divert attention today from the benghazi, the tragedy of sequestration or the upcoming debt limit vote? the idea, we have seen this before. when running against johnson, barry goldwater made the explosive charge that the kennedy administration had secretly timed the cuban missile crisis for maximum effect in the midterm elections of 1962. we've got that clip. it hasn't been seen in half a century, but here it is. >> what about the missile crisis? where did it lead? what did it prove? it proved that despite weeks and months of warning about the missiles an administration totally political in its goals and instincts could and would wait until the perilous last moment to take action, take action at a time that would have maximum domestic political impact. [ applause ] >> truly dishonest argument there. if you're going to make a wild charge like that, at least try to show some evidence to back it up. >>> finally, anthony weiner's last stand. new york had its primaries

this comes after earlier comments from another republican of south carolina, joe wilson, notorious for his remarks during the state of the union a couple years back when he shouted out "you lied." he brought up obamacare, th scandals and if the president was deflecting from those issues by focusing on syria, and getting political and heated. >> paul, as we go back to the discussions of debate, it certainly seems to be on point for this discussion. it seems that there have been questions about the objective here, and about the opposition. not much different than the line of questioning pursued yesterday by senators. >> that's right. as you mentioned earlier, tony. there seems to be no doubt that the u.s. intelligence on the attacks--on the chemical attacks of august 21st is correct. that's not being questioned. what is being questioned here are the politics and the tactics of any strike itself. >> you know what's interesting is there hasn't been, although we've heard from secretary kerry on numerous occasions that the president is weighing a number of options, there really only seems to

joe wilson of south carolina. >> thank you. thank you for being here today. we're here to learn more about a serious issue. a united states strike on syria. as a member of this committee and chairman of the house armed services, military subcommittee, as a 31 year veteran of the south carolina national guard and army reserve but as the grateful father of four sons serving in the united states military i'm concerned about what we're hearing today. i have many questions concerning the president's proposed strike and the risk to our military, american families and our allies. particularly, neighboring israel, jordan, turkey and iraq. secretary hagel, some have characterized this strike as a pinprick that will not present president assad from resuming his use of chemical weapons. how do you intend to degrade his capabilities? where did these chemical weapons come from? >> thank you for your service and your sons' service. i can assure you on the first point you made, i can speak for general dempsey and all of our military leaders that there's no higher purpose th

congressman joe wilson, he was the one lie that accused the president of delaying action on syria.s was his reasoning. >> the president's red line, why was there no call for military response in april? was it delayed to divert attention today from the benghazi, irs, nsa scandals, the failure of obama care enforcement, the sequestration, or the upcoming debt limit vote. >> he's got the list there. later in that hearing jeff duncan picked up where wilson left off. >> the administration has a serious credibility issue with the american people due to unanswered questions surrounding the terrorist attack in benghazi a year ago. when you factor in the irs targeting of conservative groups, the ap, fast and furious, and nsa spying programs, bottom line is there's a need for accountable and trust building from the administration. >> got the list there. cynthia tucker is a commentator and professor at the university of georgia. and john brabender is a republican strategist. seems like the two members from south carolina did have the same list of items to bring up. my question is what does th

oh, let's throw in joe wilson and valerie. maybe they can get the job done.ou know, liberals would love to see that. bottom line is, president obama has agreed to work closely with russia and china to explore the viability of a deal. can we really do this in the 11th hour? isn't the 11th hour? is timing a factor here? early ander today, syria said that they will sign on to the chemical weapons convention. now, this could work out really, really great for the united states, and the president, who has been terribly vilified and hated by the right wing. you have to give him credit so far. round one goes to the president. he's played his cards right. president obama threatened military action, went to congress for congressional approval, he'll give the big speech tonight. but most importantly, he went to russia during the g-20, and dealt with russian president puti, putin. yeah, puti, he's a good guy. remember bush said he looked in his eye and saw his soul. well, last night on this program i said that president obama must have spoken to putin about a deal, turns

. >> joe wilson, also shouted out to the president when he was addressing a joint session of congresser that. listen to this exchange. >> with the president's red line, why was there no call for military response in april. was it delayed to divert attention today from the benghazi, i.r.s., n.s.a. scandals, the failure of obama care enforcement, the tragedy of the sequestration, or the upcoming debt limit vote? again, was was there no call for military response four months ago when the president's red line was crossed? >> well, the reason is very simple. the president made a decision to change his policy, that he didn't believe that the evidence was so overwhelming. it was significant, it was clear, and it happened. >> jessica, it underscores once again the problem that even if it passes the senate, and i suspect it will, i think they'll get more than 60 votes, but in the house it could be 218 votes out 435 members, that could be tough. >> it's going to be challenging. it sounds when he says that to most ears, i think it will sound like that's extreme politics that he's playing right t

a perfect example is joe wilson who said this is to avoid benghazi and the president was trying to hideall these other issues. you still have members of the house of representatives who think the president is a secret muslim and wasn't born here and some massive conspiracy. i don't think much of a chance in the house. if you look at it historically, bill clinton started dropping bombs even though the house didn't vote for a month later. i think that's what the president will try to do. >> if the president does that, i mean, it will make a lot of voters mad, really angry. >> extremely angry. >> does the president care at this point? he's not running for re-election but could hurt his fellow democrats. >> i don't think much that could help the democrats next year outside of the economy anyway. and this is, this is legacy building. okay, this is something that the president thinks has to happen in order for the united states to stay safe and has to happen in order to stabilize the region and i don't think he's thinking in terms of elections next year. if you look at most of the senators on

joe wilson of south carolina. >> thank you. thank you for your longtime leadership to avoid a crisis that we face today. thank you for being here today. we are here to learn more about a very serious issue, a u.s. strike on syria. as a member of this committee and chairman of the house armed services military personnel subcommittee, has a 31-year veteran of the south carolina national office guard and army reserve, but also the father of four sons currently serving in the u.s. military, i'm very concerned about what we are hearing today. i have many questions about the proposed strike and the risk to the military, american families, and our allies, particularly neighboring israel, jordan, turkey, and iraq. some have characterized this strike as a pin prick that will not prevent president assad from using his chemical weapons. what will you do if he resumes chemical weapons? where do these chemical weapons come from? >> congressman, thank you for your service and for your sons' service. i can speak for general dempsey and all of

joe wilson of south carolina. thank you for your longtime leadership to avoid a crisis that we face today. thank you for being here today. i can speak for general dempsey and all of our military leaders that there is no higher purpose that we all have, nor more significant responsibility than the protection of the men and women who served in uniform. they are our hires -- highest priority. as your questions, the president stated again yesterday in a meeting in the cabinet room with leaders of congress, and i think congressman engel was there, as was chairman royce. -- as was chairman royce, this would not be a pinprick. this would be a significant strike that would, in fact, the bradys capability. the three of us have noted, -- that would, in fact, degrade his capability. the three of us have noted that any action carries with it risk, and the action carries with it consequence. but also does inaction. i can assure u.s. secretary of defense, that the department of defense, our leaders, have spent days and days goi

joe wilson of south carolina. >> thank you. your longtime leadership to avoid a crisis that we face today. thank you for being here today. we are here to learn more about a very serious issue, a u.s. strike on syria. as a member of this committee and chairman of the house armed services military personnel subcommittee, has a 31-year veteran of the south carolina national office guard and army reserve, but also the father of four sons currently serving in the u.s. military, i'm very concerned about what we are hearing today. i have many questions about the proposed strike and the risk to the military, american families, and our allies, particularly neighboring israel, jordan, turkey, and iraq. some have characterized this strike as a pin prick that will not prevent american has sought usingsident assad from his chemical weapons. what will you do if he resumes chemical weapons? where do these chemical weapons come from? >> congressman, thank you for your service and for your son s' service. i can speak for general dempsey and all

joe wilson of south carolina. >> thank you.thank you for your longtime leadership to avoid a crisis that we face today. thank you for being here today. we are here to learn more about a very serious issue, a u.s. strike on syria. as a member of this committee and chairman of the house armed services military personnel subcommittee, has a 31-year veteran of the south carolina national office guard and army reserve, but also the father of four sons currently serving in the u.s. military, i'm very concerned about what we are hearing today. i have many questions about the proposed strike and the risk to the military, american families, and our allies, particularly neighboring israel, jordan, turkey, and iraq. some have characterized this strike as a pin prick that will not prevent president assad from using his chemical weapons. what will you do if he resumes chemical weapons? where do these chemical weapons come from? >> congressman, thank you for your service and for your sons' service. i can speak for general dempsey and all of

even though the bills struggled for a decade their fans are loud and proud at ralph wilson stadium. i asked joeabout life on the road in the nfl and whether it is fans in buffalo, pittsburgh or cleveland or anywhere else he appreciates their passion. >> it is funny to hear the things crazy people say. you have to love it. why is our sport the way it is? because you have all those people. i don't mean crazy in a bad way. you have 70,000 of them it is awesome to be on the sideline and have to deal with that. some of things that say the unbelievable. >> ravens running back ray rice is a man of the people. a crowd favorite where ever he goes. rice practiced for a second straight day. he plans to plan sunday after missing last game with a hip injury. stay tuned for the game coming up on sunday. ravens and bills. coverage kicks off at 1:00. after the game post season coverage. we'll have highlights and reaction from the ravens. it is all here sunday on wjz. mary will be with us. >> i,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, >> pelley: tonight, a breakthrough for peace. a deal is reached to avert a u.s. air strike on sy

joe wilson and mr. dana rohrabacher and of course our chair that allowed me to visit -- mr. rohrabacher, we visited nato and i went with mr. wilson to africa. i say we did have discussions with the highest military commanders about benghazi and they were all unanimous in saying there was no military action they thought could have saved the day once the attacks began, which i think is what you did state to us. we keep hearing that no one is being held accountable, but i do want you to clarify one particular point which is, did the a.r.b. not -- did they conclude that no individual had breached their duty, was that a finding? >> that is correct, congresswoman. the a.r.b. said that two individuals had not carried out their responsibilities in the way they could, but they did not find a breach of duty. and what secretary kerry's decision was to validate the a.r.b.'s decision, actually go farther than the a.r.b.'s decision and relieve all four of their senior level positions. >> and i don't want -- >> we'll leave our live coverage of this hearing at this point. it continues onlin

i'm joe along with becky. harry wilson, ceo of group and former yahoo board member.st after 8:00 a.m. on the east coast. texas senator ted cruz and a few colleagues are talking and standing. they took the floor yesterday afternoon vowing to speak opposition for obamacare. the overnight talk aon this created talks by lee, other gop conservatives. republican leaders opposed the time effort that the house won't have time to respond to the action. the spending bill is required to keep the government fully open after the october 1st. the senate test vote is scheduled for this afternoon. we're going to get bob's take on all of this in a couple of minutes. in the meantime, the government is in early stage settlement talks. lawyers for the two sides met last week, first sit down meeting before he was indicted on trader charges. the group met. this could resolve the investigation and continuing operating as an independent. maybe it signals they don't have a strong case. bring the case or don't. this feels like a weird situation. this other situation feels weird as well. j.p.

joe mccarthy and rismed nixon in the house -- richard nixon. and the most interesting figure, the sort of grand inquizer to of the era is walter lipman who wilson, you know, what happens is the collapse of czarrist russia raises the possibility that the kice consider move 100 divisions -- kieser can move 100 divisions over to the western front. and at that -- the fear is that it would tip the balance against the british and the french. wall street had lent tremendous sums of money to the british and the french and if they were defeated it wouldn't be paid back. so suddenly there's all this pressure on wilson to go into the war. and wilson accepts, this was also aided, you know, just a caveat by the keyser's decision to create a naval block aid around britain and he sinks some american merchant ships, and so wilson decides that he will rule or impose order through the traditional coercive mechanisms of legislation, most specifically the espionage act and the sedition act. and lipman says, no. he said in fact, we can create a system of mass propaganda where you will only have to use the sedition act and the espionage act selectively against those

david wilson, twice, and after a second fumble the kid was in the dog house and benched for the rest of the game. the giants plan to work out brandon jacobs, lewis mcgahee, and joe mcknight. robert griffin the third will strap it up tonight. he and the red skins will be hosting chip kelly and the philadelphia eagles tonight. it will be interesting to see how kelly's fast-paced offense will work with michael vick at the helm. i can't wait. >> all right. ross, appreciate it, thing you. >>> of the woman who completed the 110 mile swim, is now being questioned. some believe she had some help during her swim,s which are lers are revows after the olympic cmmittee decided to keep it in the games. an unlikely union of nations thought to have the move reversed. >> reporter: victory on the wrestling mat. these young math leets are the future of iran, now with the deciion to retain wrestling in the olympics, that future looks brighter. >> translator: when i heard it was so happy because my hope for the olympics was restored. every four years this is what we wait for. >> reporter: in february wrestling was in a spin. iran formed an unlikely alliance with the u.s. and russia

california, director, president and ceo of the woodrow wilson international center for scholars jane harman. for the record, today, you agree with? >> joet? >> it's a first. today. all the comments he just made in the last segment about syria, i agree with. >> okay. let's start then with senator chris murphy who i would like to know, given everything that you've seen and heard, your no vote, the reasons behind it? >> yeah. listen, it's a close call and i totally understand where the president is here. it's hard to watch what happened in syria with 1400 people being killed, 400 children being gassed, stand by. my concern is two fold. one, i worry that a strike makes the situation on the ground worse in syria, not better. it's a chaotic situation to begin with, but if assad responds with even more ferocious strikes against his own people or against our allies in the region it's hard to understand how that makes a situation better. second, i do think it's difficult to untie the united states from the situation now that resolution has passed. it not only authorizes the military strike but commits us to a long-term lethal arming of the rebel

one witness said today, attorney general wilson along with 12 other attorney joe sent a letter on august 14 asking questions about the navigator outreach program. as is the pattern of lake undiminished nation has not yet responded in fact i spoke yesterday with health care leaders in my own state and they inform me that they cannot get answers from a just. the navigators they speak to in my state still have no idea what is happening and we're only days away from october the first launch date. the signs were largely based on transcribed interviews with top hhs officials and internal hhs documents produced to the committee. the report shows the navigator and assister programs are rife with mismanagement and struggle to put them together in at this point and have a real possibility a large number of americans could fall victim to fraud and identity theft. top hhs officials admitted the administration failed to convict any analysis about whether or not issue require all individuals are by navigator or assister or possessions to pass a background check and be fingerprinted. as a result the fe

and i think we're joe wilson was the first president to affect the world so profoundly. let me run it buy you. since time is limited i have a big book, and dealing with a very big life really have time to give his greatest hits but i thought if i threw out a couple of superlatives because i like superlatives, it may give you some greater sense of woodrow wilson our at the very least some take away this afternoon. the first thing you must remember, again this integrates personal life with later professionally that he was the first southerner elected president of the united states since the civil war. most people don't think of him as a southerner but he was born 1856 in virginia his very first memory his father was a presbyterian minister then they moved into three were states a book became a confederate states that during that period when the wilsons were living in a vested georgia, thomas woodrow wilson, his first memory almost four years old that the election of 1860 had just taken place in this little boy remembered hearing lincoln just got elected there will be a war

joe wilson of south carolina. >> thank you, mr. chairman for your leadership to seek explanation for the murder of four heroic americans in benghazi. it's imperative we fully understand where the systemic break down occurred within the state department so no more -- servicemembers die while serving our country. i agree with congressman of california there's been disseat and denial. mr. kennedy, i appreciate your attendance today at the senate hearing previously you acknowledged you denied an extension of the 16-american security support team sst; is that right? >> yes, sir. that was the team based in tripoli. not in benghazi. it was a tripoli assignment. they never assigned to benghazi. and if i might, i continue want to take your time. >> no, no, please. >> when we first went to tripoli, we were our embassy burned down in tripoli. we asked them for assistance. two of their officers went in with two of ours. we did a survey. we asked for 16 department of defense personnel. over the course of standing up the emily. they worked thems