joey jackson, thank you.otti, keep us posted as to the next move. >>> there is this other story that crossed our desks and it's rally astounding. two boys are in a coma and their mom and dad on your screen affectively so injured they were hospitalized. the father crippled, unable to speak, their mother stricken with convulsions. all of them severely poisoned while on vacation in the virgin island and now the united states justice department is stepping in. you're about to find out what they're doing, that they're looking for and what might happen to the people who own the hotel and the place where they got treatment for pests. and stomachs are growling. or is that just me? it's lobsterfest, red lobster's largest variety of lobster dishes all year. double up with dueling lobster tails. or make lobster lover's dream a reality. but here's a reality check: it ends soon. moare transportedcts on container ships. before a truck delivers it to your store, a container ship delivered it to that truck. here in san diego

i want to bring in joey jackson and jill carter. ome to both of you. >> good morning, carol. >> thank you. >> joey i want to start with you. the autopsy report will be coming out soon. people are very curious to know obviously how freddie gray came to have a broken vertebrae and a crushed larynx. we know his hands and feet were shackled inside of that police van. we now know there was a previous case in which a man died after being transported in such a way in the back of a police van because police do this rough ride thing, right? to kind of shake up the prisoners in the back. will the autopsy report give us any hints as to if that occurred? >> i think it will be very significant, carol, for the following reason. there's a medical explanation, right, as to exactly what occurred. what an autopsy will show is the severity of the injuries the extent of the injuries the extent of the break, there would be no speculation on that. certain things happen in certain ways. people can say anything. police can say anything. obviously we would h

joey jackson? >> ashleigh, what happens -- when you evaluate this, you have to evaluate it in three different ways. the first thing is you have to look at the immediacy of the threat. when you see the threat moving away from the officer, it becomes very problematic. why? because then the threat is no longer immediate and posed to the officer. the second thing is, now you look to the proportionally of the force. for whatever reason, the officer is drawing his firearm and perhaps you could say it would be justified in drawing the firearm to say, hey, freeze, stop, do what you do, the discharging of it is what becomes problematic. final point is you look at the reasonableness of the conduct also. and certainly in the drawing of the firearm and then beginning to discharge itç at this points that reasonable under these circumstances? that's the problem. >> if i could ask our control room to just freeze that frame where you see the officer going for his gun. and there is sizable difference between five

joey jackson is a big thief and that's clearly about joey jackson. if on the other hand i say all lawyers are thieves, joey jackson cannot sue me because groups can generally not sue, but there is a theory is it is alive in virginia the small group theory and the idea behind that is if a group is small enough that defaming the group clearly is imputed to the person, then under that small group theory a defamation case can be had. is there anything more apt than a fraternity with anything from 20 to 50 members, when you say the gamma house, and i'm making up a fraternity is a bunch of jerks, it's pretty obvious who we're talking about. >> joey that fraternity at uva was immediately shut down by the university's president and has since then been reinstated but it sounds like they have grounds here. >> it sounds like they have more than grounds, poppy and tragic to be sure. the reality is it goes back to brian, your issue, rolling stone and the whole issue of a report being done and the lack of corroboration. we do as lawyers, we try to do is we corrobo

i want to bring in joey jackson who's joining us from new york. just been told there has been a verdict in the dzhokhar tsarnaev trial up in boston. we're told it's going to read out in about 20 minutes or so. shouldn't be a whole lot of suspense what that verdict is. but set the scene for us. you've been covering this -- you've been assessing what's going on now for several weeks of this trial, it's been going on. go ahead and tell us what we should anticipate. >> sure. well i don't think there's any mystery in terms of what the verdict will be. as we know and understand there's 30 counts that the defendant is facing in this case. and 17 of those carry the death penalty. and so the defense even in moving forward in this case has not contested the issue of real guilt. they have said he was there, he was a participant. the real issue is whether or not his brother manipulated him. we need to understand that the judge limited in large measure the defense's ability to go in very much in terms of the brother because that's not a defense. it may be what

let's discuss this with joey jackson and prosecutor and former defense attorney wendy patrick. good to see you guys. >> good to see you. >> joey, to you first. what do you think? strange case. should it ever have gone to trial? >> no way. it was amazing. i don't know if the esteemed wendy patrick agrees with me. it's a sympathetic case. to get this out of the way, no means no, doesn't matter if it's your wife or not your wife. when you have two people like this, found love again together in 2007, they were smitten with each other with the testimony also established when he went there. >> no doubt he loved this woman. >> and she loved him and they were so -- all nursing staff they bonded together were beautiful together so to have the adult children step in, of course, they want to protect the mom, but to have the insinuation there was -- there was sex that was not consented to and otherwise he abused someone he loved was troubling and the jury agrees he gets acquitted a god day in america, better day in iowa. >> do you think it should have gone to trial? >> this was a case not a

i want to bring in our law enforcement analyst tom fewuentes and joey jackson.he video, the text messages the racist slurs by members of the police for the of ft. lauderdale? is there a culture problem there? >> i don't know the situation in ft. lauderdale. a degree with cornell. these officers have no business being in uniform. i think the answer is it isn't just training. you can't train away bad character. these officers have to be not hired. what i see across the country and i consult on this is a lack of adequate screening for good character before you hire a cop. when they don't do it they put people in uniform, give them a stick, a gun, a taser, send them out on the street and bad things happen. these cities wonder how did that happen? maybe we're not doing good enough training. maybe we need community policing. you can't community police your way out of hiring bad people and putting them in uniform. >> better pay? >> better selection on the front end. plenty of people applying that have good character. you need to fine the ones that don't have good chara

let's talk about this with criminal analyst joey jackson as we look ahead. , joey. >> good morning. >> good morning. each side can calm our witnesses during this phase, we know. what is the possibility, do you think, we would actually hear from czar netsarnaev himself? >> i think you probably will not hear from him. some put out there the older brother was the controller, the manipulator and master mind behind this and how the defense tried this case. when you put a defendant on the stand to defend themselves they may not be on the same page as the defense attorneys. what if you have a scenario you expose him to the jury with the thought to spare his life and to say something whether he blames it on his brother or goes into the fact his brother was the one who led him around and had so much respect for or maybe he flips the script and wants to become a martyr and he wants to die. you can't control what he says. to that extent a risky proposition and i don't think we will see him. >> it seems you can't control a lot of things with this family. following the ve

joining me now, judge glenda hatchet and criminal defense attorney joey jackson.f you. i thing this is the first time we had the two of you together. you all go way back. you get to be colleagues and cohorts. even opponents, too, on the air. >> never. >> how do you see this week unfolding? just this morning, maryland congressman elijah cummings said the investigation, whether it be on the city level or maybe even on the federal level needs to be swift, needs to move fast and be thorough. can you have both? >> it does. the reason why we have to unpack this in many ways. the first is that community. that community is up in arms as they should be. there are questions that need to be answered. until they are answered i think there will be a little unrest a little uneasiness. there's also the need to ensure any investigation could be trusted and respected. we know there are multiple investigations going on at this point. the mayor, to be fair as well as chief, are trying to give that information out to the public but the issue is how long does it take to find out exact

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joey jackson is with us as well our hln legal analyst. what's your analysis of what we have just learned? >> what you are looking for is you are trying to examine the state of mind. what led the officer from this point, you heard mr. fuentes talk about the issue of it was professional at this point and thereafter it was something that was very unprofessional and then was criminal thereafter. what led to that? what was the state of mind of the officer that so altered it from this stop to the fact that there were eight shots fired? now if you look initialinitially, it's a stop. everything is okay and he runs. why did he run? there's indication there was apparently child support warrants out for him and as a result of that he didn't want to go back to jail. but the issue then becomes this is not instructive on why there was the leading to eight shots that were fired thereafter. that is what the concern is. if you look at the interaction, there's not disrespect at least initially there, that we could see from mr. scott where he talks back to

with me now, hln legal analyst and criminal defense attorney joey jackson and former new york city police detective harry. harry, you watched this tape a lot. at any point as you watch that tape did you say to yourself this officer is in fear for his life? >> no. no. this was definitely not a justified shooting. i can't even see why the officer would have drew his weapon. this man was definitely running away from him. in a situation like that where he automatically drew his weapon and fired eight times at this man, i mean i'm just as shocked as everybody else seeing this video. there's no way this officer can justify. he has zero defense in trying to protect himself from prosecution in this case. >> one of the most disturbing aspects in the case is the officer fired seven shots and then he paused and fired again. you don't learn that at the police academy, do you? >> well i can't tell you why he fired eight shots, seven shots, paws paused and fired another shot. i don't know what's going through his mind. i can't understand it at all. >> okay. we don't know what started it all, right? we

with me in new york joey jackson.n legal analyst and criminal defense attorney danny cevalos. thanks for being here. i appreciate it. mel, let me start with you. look we don't know a lot about the six officers who arrested freddie gray and put him in the back of the transport van. five have given statements. the sixth has invoked his right not to give a statement. how significant do you think that is? >> well you know, i think it is very significant. one of the things that's interesting about this is that you know it's very important that everybody not rush to conclusions as we saw happen in the michael brown incident. and, you know, ultimately the grand jury determined the officer was justified. look we have freddie gray's memorial service tomorrow. clearly something horrible went wrong here. and the question is and i think what we're going to see everybody focus on is you're going to see everyone focus on the stop and go ride-about in the van. we're also waiting, poppy, remember for more videotapes to come out so i

pat brown, cheryl dorsey joey jackson, thanks to all of you.icka, have a great day. >>> still ahead, a home-grown terror. a former u.s. army recruit charged with plotting to bomb a u.s. military base. and now his friend has been charged as well. how facebook posts and vigilant readers tipped off the fbi. it's happening. today, more and more people with type 2 diabetes are learning about long-acting levemir® an injectable insulin that can give you blood sugar control for up to 24 hours. and levemir® helps lower your a1c. levemir® comes in flextouch® the only prefilled insulin pen with no push-button extension. levemir® lasts 42 days without refrigeration. that's 50% longer than lantus® which lasts 28 days. today i'm asking about levemir® flextouch®. levemir® is a long-acting insulin used to control high blood sugar in adults and children with diabetes and is not recommended to treat diabetic ketoacidosis. do not use levemir® if you are allergic to any of its ingredients. the most common side effect is low blood sugar, which may cause symptoms su

. >>> joining me is joey jackson and good to have both of you back with us z. >> good morning. >> goodt with the video that's being released. is this an effort to be more transparent? typically they would say that you have to wait until it comes out in court. now it's days late skper the body cam video. >> no, i think that they want to be more transparent and some cases they're being forced to be transpare transparent. this is something that many people need to wake up too. you have dash cams and that shows what occurred and what the police officers are facing and getting beat on or shot at. bad things happen to police officers. by and large, this is what you're going see. you're going see how you get attacked on the street. how they get shot at and how vulnerable they are. it's a dangerous profession and especially when you have people out of control and wild especially in the walmart case, that's what the police officer faces. how do you go in and try to establish peace. no community policing is going help when you run into a situation like that family. >> i was with a group of polic

joey jackson in the mit gators here. you can look for yourself at the federal statute. good about him and then what's bad about him. just to be simple. what's good about him, apparently impaired capacity is one of the things he can look for. >> minor precipitation. >> they were equally cup panel defendants and then that big bread basket of other factors. nice guy, liked puppies and kitties. i'm making that up. >> that could page it in. >> there are plenty bad and we know it. he meets so many, grave risk of death to additional persons, heinous, cruel, depraved matter of committing the offense. he blew up a child. i'm not going to go through the list because it's too long. >> ultimately, you have to think about what the jury is going to do back there. remember, they've been processing throughout the time of these 92 witnesses how heinous and cruel and atrocious this act was. in laying out the compelling testimony of the victim, we can talk about the father's testimony about making a choice to protect his daughter who also lost her leg. >> a choice. that child was dead. he

joining me to talk about this joey jackson, legal analyst and former defense attorney and tom consequentey for better legal analysis on this but it's my understanding if you're in a public place, a public sidewalk on the street and you're using your camera and your smartphone to record police action, as long as you're not interfereing with that action directly or obstructing it or endangering somebody by doing that you're allowed to do that. i think that from the appearances of this i think the marshals need to do a better job of explaining the situation and what they're doing. >> joey this woman hired a civil rights attorney because she says her constitutional right to film was violated. is that true? >> police have a very difficult job. we know that carol. stresses run high. apparently in this particular incident they were involved. the police department u.s. marshals were involved and interagency task force to get bikers who we were looking for. we get that. however, tom fuentes says it's your first amendment right. you want to sit there. you want to film. you want to do anything. if

. >> for the legal view now, i want to bring in analyst paul callan and joey jackson. f you guys. my first question, how will the verdict in this case, the olin lloyd case impact the next murder trial, joey? >> ultimately what happens, randi, every case has to live and die on its own merits. technically speaking when you have one case, the double murder itself, prosecutors certainly may try to get in the murder case by saying it goes to motive, it goes to intent and it goes to a common plan in that double murder case and that is the conviction. likely the judge will not allow it, randi, because very prejudicial. it needs to be determined and the jury is going to ebe asked to weigh the case based upon the evidence there. the other question is, how will it affect the wrongful death action. that, of course, is another story. here's why, briefly. and after the criminal case has concluded, you will know there is liability. the standard of proof is by a preponderance of the evidence, because you're dealing with money. in a criminal case, very high standard beyond a reasonable

joining me right now, judge glenda hatchet and criminal defense attorney joey jackson, back with me nowl right. so i want to go to you first, glenda. we are hearing the report from that initial autopsy could be 30 to 60 days before there is a result however, the investigation continues. it's going in several directions. but in your view what is critical to making sure they get all of the elements and putting all this together? >> and we have multiple investigations to your point, we have you know local and state and we have the justice department in here and even though the autopsy reports, the definitive autopsy reports will take several weeks, they must still continue with this investigation, because we want witnesses as quickly as we can to get those so that we are clear about those what those statements are. time will erode some people's memories. we are going to see a flurry of activity i would expect. we are not going to wait on the autopsy results to come in before the investigation proceeds. >> because, joey you know, in large part we are talking about, particularly when you're

about this and bring in cnn commentator and legal annist mel robins and with us is also with us is joey jacksonood morning, victor! >> joey, first to you. what do you expect to hear from the defense? what will they do or hope to do in these closing arguments? >> it was all about tamerlan. now remember this. the judge has severely limited, victor, the ability of the defense to do so much which is what they want to do. i think we will hear about it in the penalty phase. i'm presuming a guilty conviction. you know what? i think ultimately the defense makes that same presumption because they are playing for the long run. remember what they did in their case. that is the defense. they put up exerts to talk about computer experts. the ring leader was tamerlan and experts to talk about the fingerprints, the bomb, the pressure cooker and fingerprints that were found and ultimately was his brother. i think you'll hear them setting up, that is the defense, the later argument which was the minimal role he was certainly just going along with the person who controlled this, who inspired this and who led the

joey jackson, the officer said the suspect grabbed my taser. in an incident report named sergeant gan says slager told him that mr. scott took my taser. grab and took have different means, right? >> certainly do. >> we saw by the video that mr. scott did not have the taser. >> that was very apparent. obviously, listen carol. i don't want to paint police with this broad brush. police protect us they serve with decency, respect communities. for that they deserve a debt of gratitude. i want do limit my discussion to this particular issue. it's very troubling for a variety of reasons. the first reason, of course the videotape speaks for itself. carol, the lead-in to this there are there were concerns with martin releasing the dash cam. we all want to know how did the incident begin and what led to this alleged murder i'll say. that's important. the reality is notwithstanding whatever might be on that video, we know what we see. what we see is probably troubling. if you look at a coverup, i think the first thing you need to look at is what was the o

joey jackson, our hln legal analyst, criminal defense attorney weigh in on your thoughts joey. >> welle know wolf there will be a justice department investigation under way and that's going to be an issue. i should point out that simply because the federal government steps in it does not at all prevent or preclude the state from moving forward. early in the program there was a discussion about, hey, should these officers be charged with first-degree murder. that's still undecided. why? because the investigation is ongoing. however, should the state decide to move forward should there me criminality found after the investigation on one or all of the officers that can happen. we also know wolf that the federal government in stepping in in a civil rights investigation would look for a number of things. so it's important to talk about what those things would be. in a civil rights investigation, the first thing is is was freddie gray deprived of a right secured by the constitution. well the right to move along freely without the use of unlawful deadly force is indeed a right. the second ele

. >> and to legal analyst joey jackson joining us now. ning to you. >> good morning, christi. >> thank you. police admitting there were mistake. we don't see that very often it seems. how does this admission affect any possible legal action. >> it could affect it significantly, and tamir rice, the cleveland 12-year-old who was shot and killed. remember what happened to him when the city blamed him when he says it contributed to his own death. it outraged the community. when we hear transparency to the community to give them information, they've erred on the side of common sense, of course, community knowledge, community knowing, community participation. while legally, it certainly would impair their position, from a practical perspective, you want people to know exactly what happened. there's two tracks that we should keep in mind, christi. one, of course, is the prosecutorial track, if there's liability, they should be prosecuted. the other would relate to civil liability. not being seat belted, that's not a crime, not seat belting nick b

i want to bring in joey jackson, one of our legal analysts to talk a little about what we are expecting. i do also want to remind our viewers that survivors and victims families will be speaking. we'll hear what they have to say after the key point in the can case. you heard jeff talking about the mitigators and ago ra -- and aggravators. which do you think will win out? >> they have had the chance to hear all evidence evaluate the three things -- >> stand by just a minute. count one, and this is key. conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction resulting in death. this would make tsarnaev eligible for the death penalty. he has been found guilty. this is already going to the penalty phase. count two. this is use of a weapon of mass destruction resulting in death, aiding and abetting. this also makes him death penalty eligible. guilty on the second count. joey this may -- here we go. count three. we're going to bring in deb as we go through these. possession and use of firearm in a crime resulting in death, aiding and abetting. guilty. let's bring in deb as we look at these counts. tak

. >> let me bring joey jackson into this conversation. our hln little analyst and criminal defense attorney. hard to believe what we're seeing 40 50 miles away from washington, d.c.? >> it is wolf an understatement and heart breaking. and, look the reality is this -- it's very difficult to advance the message of justice wolf when you have people engageing in acts of mass injustice. i know these are agitators, but what the family has called for, this completely contradicts that. in the event -- and i get and i understand that there's bottled up frustration. i get and i understand that this is -- you know systemic. long-standing mistrust between police but there are ways to resolve things legally, properly and ways not to do things and it flies into the face of the message of bridge aring the gap between the community. building trust with the community and speaks to the larger issue in the inner cities and this is a message not only that resinates in baltimore but throughout the country. yes, there have been a number of instances that cause

i want to bring joey jackson, our hln legal analyst.is a former criminal defense attorney as well maybe still a criminal defense attorney. i want to get back to the news that evan perez broke here in "the situation room" a little while ago that on friday the police will make their report available to state prosecutors on the behavior the arrest of freddie gray. eventually he died as we know, after his neck was broken. he was in a coma in the hospital. they're going to make that evidence available to the prosecutors. but presumably it will remain secret. but you know the community. they want details, and they're getting growing increasingly impatient. how do you balance, joey the need to reassure the community that the right investigation is going forward while at the same time not doing anything to undermine potential prosecution, the evidence available? >> wolf that's a wonderful question. and let's start out here and let's go to the general, then we'll goat the specific. in general, we're hearing from - our leaders, and we have to kee

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hicks, the metro columnist for the charleston south carolina newspaper, "the post and courier" and joey jacksonriminal defense attorney. thank you so much for being with us. joey i want to start with you, you are a criminal defense attorney you've watched this video. how would you defend this officer? >> i'm very concerned by what i see and i'm concerned for the following reasons. the first thing you look at in defending something like this would be the immediacy of the threat. is there imminent threat posed to your client. >> and the officer says there was, they had wrestled there had been some sort of altercation, not caught on video and they had wrestled over a stun gun and he feared for his life. according to the officer. >> i'm concerned about that a person can say anything a client can say anything to me. the reality is what i see with my eyes. when you evaluate that and look for the immediacy of the threat is it immediate when someone is running away from you whrks he they're 15 feet ten feet away from you, they're going in the opposite direction, they're not confronting you at the time.

here to join us joey jackson, paul callan. gentlemen, good to have you. a lot of things to discuss. give us an idea of what this penalty phase will look like. will it be similar to other trials? how long can this last? >> we're going into what's a very solemn part of the trial. >> very emotional. >> yes. whether he will be put to death or life in prison without the possibility of parole. and we're going to hear about mitigating factors, meaning are there things in his life that should cause you to say he doesn't deserve the death penalty. we'll hear about his upbringing you could hear psychiatric testimony that he was under the influence of his brother and also aggravating factors, the cruelty of the killings the nature of the killings. all of the things that they're common sense things about why this is a case that is so cruel and so horrible it deserves the death penalty. and in the end those factors get weighed and the jury makes a recommendation. >> so to be sure this is going to take some time. >> at least -- >> the hard stuff is not behind those jurors. the jurors are doing go

organization of black law enforcement, and the criminal defense attorney, had hln legal analyst joey jacksonat we just saw. it is pretty awful the video, the screaming, the guy being dragged in, took 30 minutes to apparently call an ambulance. >> wolf it's absolutely heartbreaking. the fact of the matter we have a young man who encounters the police. it's not clear why he was arrested and he ends up with three broken vertebrae, a spinal cord that's nearly severed, and in a coma. now there's much we don't know but what weigh don't know here makes us all the more anxious about what we do know which is all across the country we seem to be in the midst of this unrelenting series of tragedies at the hands of police. we don't know all the facts here but it's enough to be very troubling, very troubling. >> cedric what's your reaction when you heard joe johns' report, when you see that video? i don't know if you had a chance to listen to the mayor and the police chief earlier in the day at the live news conference. >> well, i tell you, i certainly do agree with mr. brooks. on a number of items that

and joey jackson is in new york. good to see you as well.appen to anyone. it's happened a number of times across the nation. but in this case he's talking about the taser being at his chest, his pistol being at his side. is this a plausible explanation that really it could happen to anyone? those are two very different motions, reaching for the pistol or the taser on his chest. >> good morning, fred. thank you for having me. mr. bates should probably stop talking. it can happen to anyone who's not properly trained. it can happen to anyone who has no business being part of an undercover sting operation. it could happen to anyone who's not familiar with their handgun. >> so joey if you were representing officer bates, would you have been a bit nervous about his explanation or do you think he does weave a believable experience? >> good afternoon to you. the reality is this. it's not about being believable it's about acting in a reasonable and responsible way. and so is he believable? perhaps. is he likeable? perhaps. i'm here to evaluate his ac

let's bring in tom fuentes and joey jackson and our cnn anchor don lemon. department of justice investigation, the civil rights allegations that they may have been violated do you believe that will be effective? >> well it is effective because it's always nice to have the federal government as an additional measure of oversight. now, keeping in mind of course if the state charges could proceed, if any. if there's bound to be any criminality because we know the local prosecutors are investigating. however, wolf you have to look at the elements of a civil rights charge. of course you know there's going to be the claim. rightful as it should be. that there was a deprivation of the civil rights. you know that's something that you could say was established and that there was unlawful course used here. the second element, of course that they were law enforce officials. they were acting. the third thing is the death. where a big hang up comes in civil rights cases is the willful deprivation of a right. you have to establish it was intentional. it was purposeful and

the criminal defense legal analyst joey jackson and cedric alexander president of the national observationnd serves on president obama's task force on 21st century policing. cedric what's your reaction to these reports and do communities really need to be concerned about these so-called volunteer reserve officers who go out on the streets and obviously this is an extremely dangerous situation. >> yes. absolutely. everyone should be concerned. i think the important piece here is wolf they really need to find those records, if there ever were records, but they certainly need to prove there are some records, some training and some certification, which is so essential to this case. because if those records are not plowed, it produced it just continues to create this cloud of suspicion and certainly does begin to separate and create some extreme concerns for communities across this country and for police officers, such as mr. bates there. >> because, as you know there are a lot of reports out there in tulsa, he was a rich guy. he gave a lot of money to various police organization. helped the sh

experts, tom fuentes, the former assistant director of the fbi, also joining was jeffrey toobin and joey jacksonhe police chief say freddie gray was not buckle in that there's no excuse he acknowledged he should have received medical attention as soon as there was a problem, how serious is this oversight in. >> those are serious allegations. i think it's very serious in terms of the civil liability and obviously in terms of a potential criminal prosecution which he mentioned as a distinction possibility and why they're being so meticulous and closed mouth about the investigation. they're anticipating a strong possibility of prosecution. >> that's the police dmigs near. the deputy police commissioner said this about freddie gray not being strapped in. listen to this. >> i i walked the entire route yesterday. it's a foot chase that's not a short one. it goes through several streets, several houses complexes and eventually end unalong the 1700 block of pressbury and that's where the apprehension of freddie gray occurred and quite frankly that's exactly where freddie gray should have received medica

. >> and joey jackson is joining us or criminal defense attorney hln legal analyst. the police officer say we're asking you nice please come out of the car. he refuses to come out of the car. and we all saw what happened afterwards. what is your analysis? >> it's always important to comply now and grieve later. however, the critical point in this in this lawsuit will be when the force of the taser was applied. was it applied when the actual suspect was subdued? in the event, as it appeared to show, that it was applied when he was subdued, then the argument is it's a misapplication of force. if someone is under control, then you don't apply. however, i would certainly assert that under no circumstances on the street should people be taking matters into their own hands. that being said use a taser when it's appropriate and necessary, not when someone is defenseless and otherwise not posing a danger at that specific time. that's going to be the question wolf. >> i think he makes a good point. >> well i can tell you from personal experience wolf until the handcuffs are o

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here to break it all down so much to discuss, cnn commentator and legal analyst mel robbins and joey jackson my friends. mel, it seems to most of us a fairly open and shut case. do you expect the decision to come from the jury fairly quickly? >> yes, i do. there are 30 counts. we know 17 carry the death penalty. they are very straight forward. i think what we will see is closing arguments and depending on how long those go they can take the balance of the day. will you hear the judge give the charges the instructions. then the jury can get the case first thing today or tomorrow morning, mikaela i think we will have a verdict in a day or two. >> speedy and rapid, absolutely. we know the defense attorney well versed in this strategy. she actually said in those opening statements it was him, not refuting the fact that her client was there. what was her end game? what is her strategy? >> it's one strategy only. the reality is this. what she's attempting to do is spare his life. there is no really mystery in terms of whether he will be convicted. you no ehe will be convicted. absolutely. it was h