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joining me is joey jackson and amy collier from sister wives. good afternoon. >> nathan to you first. just for our viewers on background you legally married your wife victoria in 2000. you had only a spiritual ceremony with your second wife christine in 2007. i want you to explain to us why you think the supreme court same-sex marriage ruling would apply to your case. >> i'm certainly not qualified to interpret the marriage equality act myself. i'm going on justice roberts own words where he stated that denying a polygamist the same rights would disrespect us and subordinate us. >> can you take it a step further and tell me why it should be legal in general in the u.s.? >> well you know we're consenting adults and, really that's where the conversation should stop right there. we're three consenting adults. >> okay. let me go to the ruling. this is supreme court justice anthony kennedy writing the majority decision and i want you to respond to this. he wrote, "no union is more profound than marriage for it embodies the highest ideals of love and

a final question for you, joey jackson, since you're a defense attorney. police officers. so you have the vantage point from three different ways right? >> right. >> and the police officer obviously lied on the police report because he claimed the car was dragging him. video evidence clearly shows it was not true. how do you defend him? >> and that he felt he was going to be run over. i think what we as defense attorneys do is we evaluate the case. number one, is it winnable? this case it does not appear to be. the next question is could you defeat the top count of murder and that's really what's at issue here. if you reduce that to manslaughter, make no mistake about it, for a defense attorney that's a win. why? murder carries a life sentence. manslaughter 3 to 11 years. so you have to demonstrate if it's manslaughter that it was acted out of some anger or out of some heat of passion. clearly there was bad judgment used and i think the difficulty for the defense, of course again is the police report matching it up to what the body camera says and it just

joining us is joey jackson. joey we have experts on both sides.n the defense side experts say that holmes had a mental illness and no idea what he was doing during the shooting that he was delusional. on the other side, you have prosecution experts who say he was legally sane. it seems to me which expert the jury chooses to believe could determine the fate of james holmes here. >> absolutely. good to be with you. look it's a battle of the experts in the case but it's going to come down to commonsense. the prosecution evaluated mr. holmes their conclusion was he had mental illness, no doubt, it was a severe mental illness, no doubt. also schizophrenia. however, under the law, as insanity is legally defined, those experts concluded that he was indeed sane. he knew the difference between right and wrong. when the defense called their experts, when they ultimately got to the case surprise surprise. the experts hired it by the defense concluded that yes, had he severe mental illness. however, he didn't know the difference between right from wrong. ther

let's bring in hln legal analyst joey jackson. joey, first to you, your reaction. two to seven years. what did you think of the sentence? >> it makes sense from a defense perspective when you're representing someone like that you want to admit culpability. why? because as randi said -- excuse me, as alex said, the reality is they have overwhelming evidence against her. what are you going to do, take it to trial? so backing up you see it never got to the grand jury. now it's up to a judge to ultimately impose a sentence that's fair and equitable. it's pa good decision to make. >> mitchell's lawyer was referring to him. he said that she's been sobbing lately, she's been depressed. listen to exactly what he said after the court hearing. >> she got in over her head into something she never should have started but she did and she's paying the price now. she realizes she made a horrible mistake. >> joey, how is this sentence carried out? >> what ends up happening is first there's a pre-sentence investigation. what happens is they do a comprehensive development about your

i want to bring in hln legal analyst joey jackson in los angeles. so joey andrea constant the woman who accused cosby and then settled with him, how did cosby's legal team keep details of this deposition quiet for so many years, yet the transcript of it seems to have been available all along by way of this transcript service, which is how the "new york times" says it obtained it finally. >> sure. good afternoon to you. good morning here. but, you know here's what happened. of course there was a settlement there. the settlement reached in 2006 and as part of that settlement it was supposed to be kept confidential. in light of that the matter was out of public view and only until recently that motions were made in order to release this to the general public. and so a judge, it went through that j-udge the judicial process. cosby's lawyers attempted to keep i want that way. it's out in the public and these major revelations one after another shocking the conscience of us. >> is this considered a mistake made in terms of cosby has been able to maintain a

. >> for more on this, i want to bring in hln legal analyst and criminal defense attorney joey jacksonnside that jail? how could this happen? how could this continue for so long without any of these officials finding out? >> sure. so say it's problematic is really an understatement. in my other life as a defense attorney i represent correction officers. and there are strict rules and guidelines administratively concerning what they call undue familiarity with inmates. that has to that has to do with the communication with inmates whether you're inside the facility or outside the facility. no texting. no phone calls. nothing that could even be perceived as untoward or inappropriate. and the reason they have that is because oftentimes, and too much, it leads to this. to bigger things. where there's full-blown relationships that are established. where there's introduction of contraband into a facility. which are things that don't belong there. and ultimately the worst case scenario as you see there, pregnancy. so how it can happen, obviously people are asleep at the switch when it does ha

to weigh in on what's next for david sweat is criminal defense attorney and hln legal analyst, joey jacksonll serving life for the murder of a sheriff's deputy why prosecutor him on a state escape charge? >> well you know prosecutors are going to have to decipher a number of things in this case and let's just talk about this. now, prosecutors will be in a room and there are major tenants tenants, one is punishment the other is deterrence and the other is rehabilitation. none of those apply here. on the issue of punishment let's remember for the brutal killinging of a sheriff's deputy in 2002 in order to spare his life yes, it's true, new york state doesn't have the death penalty now, but in 2002 it does. he entered into an agreement in which he would serve life in prison without parole, so there's no insent neviaeh terms of punishment. >> and no appeal. >> exactly. he waived various rights et cetera there's no issue in terms of deterrence with respect to deterring him for doing it because he's in jail forever, the rest of his life and in terms of rehabilitation that's not a consideration an

let's have a conversation with mark la monthmont hill and joey jackson.welcome. >> good afternoon brooke. >> to you, context 2004, this was a big naacp event. this was a legacy speech for better or for worse. >> right. >> we heard the criticism of some black parents at the time and reverberating since. how was it received? >> some people applauded it. there was kind of a hatred towards the black poor in particular that made people unsettled by this. he kept saying these people as if he wasn't from the projects of north philadelphia and it wasn't just about educational choices and language. it was also about sexual pro pry tea pro propriety. he said, before you know it, you will need a dna card to know who you had sex with. black men are sending their sperm out and giving a responsibility lecture to black women about black men. he's been very careful about what to tell black people to do with their bodies and language and behavior. it's absolutely appropriate that this would happen. >> the judge takes this speech as part of a greater mosaic of reasons as t

let's bring in hln legal analyst joey jackson, joey, is there any value to this video?ing to you. >> good morning, victor. apparently she was in the back of the female officer's car who showed up to assist the officer at the time. she's pulled out and patted down. it really emphasizes a traffic stop gone awry. it doesn't add any additional value other than pointing to the fact that it certainly doesn't need to develop and escalate to this second level. >> not just a traffic stop. a special inspection report indicates that guards failed to do the timely checks, this was found three days after bland's body was found in the cell. it appears here there's a stronger and stronger case, as we learn more here, that this family has against this police department. >> sure. and, you know, it extends to the jail. i know you're referring to the texas commission. every state has a commission that evaluates the jail and jails are expected to perform and minimum things are required to be done. of course they were cited, that is the jail. for two things. first of which is not having off

let's talk to criminal defense attorney joey jackson.lezasurepleasure. >> what do you make of that cell phone video? >> it doesn't tell the whole story because it appears to be several feet away from the car. it's really going to be a three-prong investigation in addition to an investigation about the surrounding circumstances. number one, i think they'll analyze the stop. what was the basis of the stop? we understand it to be apparently a lane change. and as a former prosecutor you look at those in a very thorough way. was there an actual change of lane without signaling? and if so were there other things going on? you always as a former prosecutor look at the basis of the stop. after they look at whether the stop was legitimate they'll then look to circumstances involved in that encounter with the police officer. what escalated it to that point? was there probable cause for the arrest? why did the police officer pull her out of the car? were protocols followed with regard to the use of force used in getting her out of the car? when the

i want to bring in our cnn legal analyst joey jackson. how damaging is it for this new information to be out now? >> well it's entirely compellingly damaging. there's two courts of course as we know. there's the court of public opinion and then there's that other court where you actually air cases and they are heard in front of judges and juries. as it relates to the court of public opinion, i believe this further fuels what everybody believes now or is being led to believe by cosby himself and that is he was taking advantage of people who look up to him. i think it's further troubling because of the positions that you are in. whenever you have someone with a mentor/mentoree situation, a student/teacher relationship it's not equal. you look up to people and as a result of that want and believe that they are well meaning and then you further introduce the issue of drugs quaaludes that have been introduced to the process and it's damming as to how he would do this or even condemn contemplate doing it. and i just think, based upon statute of

joey jackson, from a legal standpoint is it unusual the fbi would investigate his father youssef on twogiving money to what was not necessarily a charitiable organization but an organization the fbi could have terror links? he was apparently killed of any wrongdoing. >> the answer is absolutely not. as a person who sits on the other side of the fbi in a federal courthouse and the other side of the u.s. attorney i can tell you they'll investigate you day, night and in between. if they final nothing, okay. if there's suspicion, they'll go after you again and again and again and again. so i don't think there's anything unusual about that. i think as you move forward and they continue to investigate him, to get a single of what his motivations were and what might have inspired him. is it sites or something else they'll look at the family, the family circle they'll look at the family friends. they'll spread it out in that community. they'll look throughout the state and other countries and they'll go wherever they need to go to get the information they need to put this together. >> the fbi i

let me bring in cnn legal analyst joey jackson and mo ivory attorney and radio host. joey can you speak to whether there may be some repercussions that this service would make this transcript the deposition available if the attorneys on both sides had an understanding that it would be sealed? >> well i think there's a couple of problems with that. first problem is remember that a judge has ruled on the issue and with the judge ruling on the issue there were motions filed by both sides. of course bill cosby wanting that deposition and his team to be kept private and, of course, the other side saying it should be public for public consumption. a judge has made a decision that the public interest outweighs his independent and private interest from embarrassment. no the judge said if you put yourself in the position of a public moralist and you put yourself in the position of moralizing about issues which is in contrast to what the accusation is then it should be made private. the first problem with going after that service is that there's a ruling that says it's public fo

mel robbins and joey jackson are back with me now.defense for the officers have called the state's opposition to the change of venue absurd and illogical. i'm not so sure when this was all over television for day, weeks, i dare say. i think every one of us anchors was in baltimore anchoring live. they have a point, do they? >> i don't know that it's absurd or illogical. at the same time, i'm not sure it will be granted, either. the bottom line is whether or not there would be a trial jury that could be chosen that could be fair and impartial, that could evaluate the case, evaluate the issues and give a fair hearing to the officers charged. that's the standard. now, in looking at the standard, of course, lawyers are arguing there's only 276,000 people in the pool and only 27% of those are going to come to court. so now you're left with 70,000 people. so the issue becomes from that 70,000 people, can you get 12 jurors who are going to be fair and objective? finally the standard is not whether you've heard about the case. >> right, we he

for the legal view, let's bring if hln legal analyst joey jackson and philip holloway.uys. we should be in the same room, we have to make arrangements the next time. >> it's always nice. >> owy, to you first, since ana was talking about the video that substantiates he was acting strangely in his cell. that doesn't necessarily speak to being insane, does it? . how did his defense try to prove he was insane? >> it's a great question because we have to remember the critical issue fredricka is at the time of the offense. so you can point me to videos that show i'm knocking my head against a jail cell, i'm falling backwards, spread feing feces, the defense needs to focus on the critical issue at hand. that is when he killed 12 people, when he injured 70 many of whom will never walk again, how was he there? what they did in doing that was the defense brought in two psychiatrists to suggest to that jury and not only suggest but say outright that he was mentally insane. not only mentally ill as we know that meaning to be but that he was insane. of course, fred rricka that was-

new york is cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney danny savalos who's also joined by joey jacksonu. >> hello, fredricka. >> good afternoon. >> danny, you first. we found out on thursday that james holmes would not take the stand. was that a smart move given that the state law in colorado puts the burden of proof on prosecutors to prove that he was really sane at the time? >> you start with the rule and the rule is that a criminal defendant has an absolute constitutional right to testify. well people may be surprised that there is no right to testify in the constitution like there is a right to a jury trial or a right to an attorney. the supreme court sort of created that relatively recently. but the negative of that right is also the right not to testify. and any time -- it's always a very difficult decision. a defendant has to ask himself and his lawyers have to ask themselves what is the benefit. what can his testimony add and balance that against the massive risk massive risk of presenting your client to the prosecution, who may completely shred them on the stand. and, i would

was a slam dunk. >> not everyone someone as talented as joey jackson may be able to get this guy off.>> stop! >> look at you to. >> love you, happy fourth to you. >>> continuing with the news police in baltimore are investigating a highly unauthorized sign that was posted inside a prisoner transport van. i want you to see for yourself. it's pretty clear. it says "enjoy your ride because we sure will." as if the city needed another reminder of the death of freddie gray back in april from injuries he suffered while cuffed and shackled but not restrain in the back of a van just like this one. the photos were obtained by the baltimore city paper and cnn affiliate wbil which says they were taken on tuesday. tuesday. tuesday. meaning anyone who has seen that on the force knows what the force has been through. this has been confirmed and authenticated by officials as well. so there's that. >>> up next, donald trump's controversial remarks may be paying off in the presidential polls. but for the moment things could change. it could be costly to him somewhere else. the bottom line. we'll expla

cnn legal analyst joey jackson joining us from new york. good to see both of you gentlemen.o perplexing. i think many people are very confused about how it that is local governments are allowed to make laws that may conflict with the enforcement of federal immigration law. help me understand. >> it doesn't conflict fredricka. i think this has been politicized. it does not. we have had sanctuary cities for decades. there are nothing inconsistent. the argument that it somehow interferes with federal law is nonsensical. federal law prohibits an intentional concealment of unlawful detained aliens or people generally. the bottom line on this thing is that all i.c.e. had to do is get a warrant, get a warrant. the problem would have been solved. this has nothing to do -- >> the argument that i.c.e. makes in this case is that local authorities didn't make a phone call to inform them that they had him. and were going to release him. >> exactly. >> is that true? >> local authorities knew and i.c.e. knew that because of sanctuary status all i.c.e. had to do is get the warrant. there wo

. >>> joey jackson, quickly to you. walk us through what's going on from the legal perspective?hat needs to be done. first, obviously, if you are talking about someone who has been dead that's one thing. you want to ensure that there's not other people that are associated with him, that there are not other instances that may be forthcoming. they will look at any social media sites, twitter sites, facebook e-mail, a lot of surveillance search warrants to be executed not only as it relates to him or anyone known to him. family members, friends. where did this come from? was it plotted? was it planned? there's a lot of investigation that needs to be done as it related to someone that's dead there's no criminal prosecution. you want to ensure something like this is not forthcoming at this base or any others in the near future. >> stand by. we have more coming up. we will take a quick break. we'll be right back. when you're not confident you have complete visibility into your business, it can quickly become the only thing you think about. that's where at&t can help. at&t's innovative

let's bring in alina machado, joey jackson. alina, a lot of questions about what happened in the courtroom. bring us up to date. >> reporter: well, kate, we know that this hearing was relatively brief and we're hoping to get video from inside that courtroom at any moment, but we do know that dylann roof was present for the hearing, and according to cnn affiliate wcbd, he wore a jumpsu jumpsuit, he was handcuffed, and he had a glazed look on his face. did he not show any emotion. we're also learning that a trial date has been set for july 11th of next year. cnn affiliate wc iv is reporting that the public defender was reluctant to agree that he would be ready for a trial by that date. the court also addressed an order that was signed last week that would have banned the release of any documents and any 911 calls and is also preventing anyone involved in the investigation or potentially involved in the trial from talking to the media, from releasing any information on this case. that order according to our affiliates has been ext

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joining me now hln legal analyst joey jackson and cnn contributor and forensic scientist lawrence koblinskyou heard the whole news conference and what they said about the mark onss on her body. >> there was a phone call apparently she made early on. we heard the message that she left with what appeared to be inconsistent with someone who wants to commit suicide. she take as job, she moves and went grocery shopping. it was a major concern as to whether her state of mind would be consistent with someone wanting to commit suicide. but what the prosecution did was look at the forensic evidence examining what it may show in terms of suicide versus an actual you know someone killing her, doing something inappropriate to her. and what they did was focus on the body parts. in terms of looking at the hands, what they were talking about, there may be defensive wounds in the event that there was someone who attacked her and those defensive wounds on the hand would be consistent with some type of struggle. they were nonexistent according to the prosecutor. in addition to that, fingernails. perhaps in t

i want to bring in joey jackson and cnn commentator and legal analyst mel robbins.stand. she was the one who accused cosby in this deposition. she was present in large part while she was in this deposition and this case settled out of court. mel, i'd love to hear your point of view as to how you believe this deposition that was secret that was sealed for a very long time now it is unsealed how and why would that happen? >> well, it would happen -- actually it was kind of a little technicality. the court recorder who was sitting in the deposition taking down a word-for-word testimony actually had a copy of it. so they were able to legally get a copy because it was already out in the public. there's a presumption if you're going to keep a document private you go to extreme lengths to do so. this thousand-page transcript was right underneath everybody's nose the entire time. >> does this open the door for any kind of legal road? >> i really don't. i think it has in some respect, i liken it to the ray rice video. we all knew darn well what happened in that elevator. it'

. >> let's talk to hln legal analyst joey jackson.k the defense had been to claim that holmes is insane? >> good morning. listen, the reality is whenever you have a doctor in a courtroom, it could be very compelling. doctors certainly have a level of education, a level of expertise and certainly can with very persuasive in terms of telling a jury what their client, and that is the defense, what they want to hear. the defense has done its job in terms of laying out the issue for mental illness. they've had experts parade before the jury to suggest the man you see right there was insane. but there's a very big difference between mental illness and insanity as that is defined in colorado. clearly there was some mental issues there. i mean, that could have certainly went into what he was doing in terms of the psychosis that the experts are saying that he had. however, when you look at what the prosecutions expert said -- it's a battle of the experts here. in terms of the planning and preparation would be suggestive of what the prosecution

joining us now, joey jackson, an hln legal analyst. we have a vested interest in this whole thing. joey before we get down to the nitty gritty details here tom brady destroyed his cell phone or had his assistant destroy his cell phone with thousands of text messages from the time presumably, that these footballs were deflated. he didn't just destroy the cell phone, he did on the day he was being interviewed by the investigation. >> john berman sounds like a prosecutor this morning. here is the reality. he's tom brady. there could be a number of things on that cell phone having nothing at all to do with guilt or innocence, but his personal life he doesn't want exposed. that's plausible. does it sound fishy? it does. if i'm defending him, i would ask people to consider. when you are at his level, gets so much attention. what if someone discovered something on that phone that doesn't deal with the investigation but aspects of his life that he doesn't want exposed to the public. what do you do? destroy it. a person of his stature, i don't

joining me are hln legal analyst joey jackson and cnn contributor lawrence kablinski, a forensic scientistiminal justice. >> good afternoon. good morning. >> late morning. joey the sheriff in houser's home county said despite houser's known mental problems they could not get him off the street. what do they mean by that? >> well there are a couple of things to consider here because you have what are called civil confinement and civil commitment laws. what those do is it enables a family member a friend or someone who believes that you pose a danger to yourself or to others to confine you against your will. those laws of course vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. however, you do have the ability in the event that someone really is acting in a dangerous way to petition the government to come get them. law enforcement. and to commit them until such a time that they are okay and could be released. the problem is you cannot keep a person there forever. there is a time frame upon which you must be released. you can't take people out of public view. it certainly reinforces the need and commit

joey jackson from hln and cnn legal analyst danny cevallos. good to see you guys. don't know what evidence authorities have on this case and her death but if authorities did have some evidence in terms of what they might have against nick gordon who says they found her in the tub, her boyfriend, husband, fiance. even if they had a lilt evidence, wouldn't they have charged him with something? >> they don't have to. is there's no statute of limitations on murder. this they can wait to see what happens when she dies. and hinckley is a good example. when hinckley shot brady, he only recently died. you have to wait until after they die but you can charge and convict somebody with assault and later on if that person dies even years later you can charge them also with murder or because there is no statute of limitations a prosecutor can easily wait even those its years and years and years down the road and then charge them with murder. but it depends on what that evidence is. they still have to prove causation and every year that goes by and in this case it was about six,

>> let's talk about palmer's legal problems with our experts paul callan and hln legal analyst joey jackson. paul, what do you think hearing what david had to say and you look t add the evidence that has been made public in this case. did palmer break any laws? >> well, i think it will be a hard case to make. in order to come up with a case against him you have to prove that he essentially bribed somebody to lure the lion off of a national park and he knew this was going on. i think it's a hard case to prove in the united states. in zimbabwe, maybe not. which is point number two. he will be extradited to zimbabwe? i would be stunned if he were. now we have an extradition treaty with zimbabwe but robert mugabe, the head of zimbabwe, is considered to be one of the biggest tyrants in africa. their criminal justice system has been criticized for human rights violations. does somebody think we'll extradite an american citizen to zimbabwe for trial? remember what happened with amanda knox? what did people say? how many trials did she get in italy and people said nobody would send her back to ital

criminal defense attorney joey jackson. john starting with you. help me understand this. trying to cross the border back into the u.s. after being deported five times. goes to prison. gets out. instead of being immediately deported pack to mexico he's handed over to the san francisco police department. why wasn't he immediately deported after he got out of prison? >> he was in custody of the bureau of prisons. what happens there is there are two competing requests. one that says i.c.e. wants him, the other one says the sheriff's department wants him. based on an outstanding warrant for drug conviction or drug charge. and so what happens is you could send him to i.c.e. they'll deport him right away. in this instance they prefer to send him over so he can be prosecuted on the drug charge. possibly serve another jail sentence. and then be deported after. >> if he's going to be deported why not just do it from the get-go? especially as we've seen a lot of police departments don't hrn these detainers. so you're running the risk of a police department letting a suspect go out o

hln legal analyst joey jackson is joining us with the impact of these personal stories.has been convicted on all counts. the father is taking the stand saying he had no idea -- he never thought his son was mentally ill but saying he's an excellent kid, as you heard there. what do you think when you look at the case and you look at the list of people he killed, what's the impact of these personal stories? >> it's tough. it shows in your question. hard stuff to talk about when you talk about killing 12 people and injuring 70. there's no question the defense has an uphill battle here. the stories are just so riveting and the nature of what he did is so inhumane. so you put the dad on, of course. that serves the purpose of humanizing him. he was a person, he was loved by a family, he was a normal kid. he played soccer. >> he is loved. >> he is loved. he was a normal child, smart child. they doted on him. he just did everything and of course the father did everything a father could do. he couldn't prevent it, why? because of this mental illness. and of course what you have is

we have with us hln legal analyst and criminal attorney joey jackson.d morning to you. >> good morning. >> reporter: 45 years and patients given cancer drugs who does not need them. these families say it's not enough. >> it's 553 patients and it was a person who was clearly and intentionally providing treatments to those who didn't need them. if you listen to the federal prosecutor and the indictment in this case, this is a person who saw a person not as an individual, but as a profit center, according to them, and clearly abdicated fully his responsibility as a doctor all of the in the interest of greed and money. when you have the prosecutor asking for 175 years and 553 people who were either overtreated, misdiagnosed, clearly, something is amiss here. and i think what the federal judge did, certainly cannot speak for him, but i think there is always appeals. appeals based upon this eighth amendment cruel and unusual punishment, would 175 years have been something that would have considered to be on appeal to be excessive? i think what the federal jud

cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney joey jackson is here along with human behavior expert psychology wendy walsh. great to see both of you. a lot has come out in this deposition that we're learning and it's not even the full reading of it. joey, let me read part of it that has stuck out to a lot of folks. con stan's attorney said she believed she was not in a position to consent to intercourse after you gave her the drug. do you believe that is correct? cosby replied, i don't know. how does this impact the accusations against -- the cases against him, joey? >> well, good morning, kate. good morning, wendy. you know, there are two courts here obviously, one is the court of public opinion and that certainly matters when you're in front of the public for as long as he has been, particularly when you have the persona that he has, and then, of course, there's that other court, and that's in a judicial forum where there's a judge and a jury. as it relates to the court of public opinion, it's devastating, it's damning, and i think so for two reasons really, the first of which, wh

. >> hln legal analyst joey jackson is here to discuss. he says the basic problem always remained, we didn't have anything to tell us what happened. what do you make of the d.a.'s comments? >> a couple of things. what goes on, as a former prosecutor, you always bring a case unless you cannot prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. that's the standard. do you believe you can -- >> you always bring a case unless you cannot prove it beyond a reasonable doubt? >> absolutely. you never know precisely what happened but if you feel there's credibility there and you believe that you could move forward and prove it, then you bring the case. let's talk about forensics. obviously what happens is it makes a case very easy if you have forensic evidence. if you have dna evidence, if you have anything else to subject something was amiss there. but what you're seeing more and more in rape cases, you have experts that testify in court to this, oftentimes either rape victims or sexual abuse or assault victims don't come forward for a variety of reasons, w

talk about this, both the business side and the legal side, we're joined by christine romans and joey jacksone romans, let's talk about macy's. >> wow. macy's -- we just asked them if they would like to clarify who dumped who, if they dumped him or he dumped them? they said they're standing by their original statement. and they said the statements trump made don't reflect the toleraerance and diversities th macy's does phasing his his shirts and ties from their stores. donald trump quickly with his own statement saying, oh, i didn't make very much money from that anyway. and i never really liked that it was made in china. i don't like that china manipulates its currency. so i'm going to make that a big core of my campaign. so he's turning this dumping into a means to -- >> i tried this stuff in high school. i didn't work for me. >> i'm pretty sure she dumped you. but that's another story altogether. but people are saying that now that there's scrutiny of his positions on immigration, it's currency -- >> there's a lawsuit, on the business side of this, i found this interesting because when thi

. >> let's dig deeper with criminal defense attorney joey jackson. the former fbi assistant director our cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes and don lemon. as you know sandra bland, she was found dead in her jail cell only three days after that video was taken. she was arrested for assaulting a police officer. let's take another look at the video. >> slam my head to the ground, do you not care about that? i can't even hear. he slammed my [ bleep ] head to the ground. >> don, the county district attorney says a plastic bag was found over her head in the jail. she asphyxiated herself basically. that's the claim. her family and friends say there's no way she would have killed herself. what's your analysis? >> well, it is tough to have an absolute on just what happened. we saw the video. and you don't see a lot of -- you can hear most of it because one of the officers comes over and says, you know, you should leave -- you need to leave and the person filming said i'm on private property. i think it's an investigation needs to happen. which is happeni

. >> final thought from you, joey jackson. >> sure. something has to give.ly, not only to have the discussion but to match action with the discussion. i know it's just not the issue of gun control. absolutely it's mental health and what surrounds that. but you know what? it's all too often that we're on your show and others and it's the same old tune. people are dieing and something certainly needs to be done about that. >> our hearts of course -- all of our hearts here at cnn and all over the country, around the world, go out to the families of the two young women who were killed at that movie theater last night. there you see them. deepest, deepest condolences to the families. families of mayci breaux and jillian johnson, may they rest in peace. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." erin burnett "out front" starts right now. >>> tonight, breaking news in the movie theater shooting. we're just learning where the shooter got his gun, despite his history of mental illness. new details about the moment he opened fire. officia

joey butler gets the base hit. two out two strikes carlos carrasco almost but cleveland wins it eight to one. >>> sometimes players have trouble moving on. form mr. eagles wide receiver desean jacksonlead of lesean mccoy jackson did so and new reality show on bet network. it's called the show. desean jackson home team and now desean decided to rip his former home team. >> i was at the top of the top. and and that i got released. >> desean jackson eagles wide receiver cut from the team. there have been all kinds of allegations. >> because he flashed gang sign. >> they said it was uncovable. >> is any of that true. >> no. >> it was a snear campaign. what the media said about me i'll bet you say about the majority of people in the nfl. >> you were cut by the eagles much it's their loss. i'm a cowboy killer. giant killer now eagle killer, too. >> there's 16 games in the season. >> yeah. >> he's killing all these teams in his division and the washington redskins won four games last year. who is he kidding? >> who is he killing? >> i don't know. >> if you're going to make an individual knock yourself out but, hey listen, he was a good player for the eagles. >> was. >> it's time to move o