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i'm john berman. and i'm erica hill this morning indictment watch drags on, frankly, is the president of former president is now facing we're learning potentially even more legal peril at any moment. now there could be a possible indictment involving hush money payments to porn star stormy daniels. that of course, is the case that we're watching in manhattan because the grand jury will reconvene today. we're told that trump is preparing himself. for that to happen today, but not clear whether he's prepared for this sources now, say a federal judge overseeing the classified documents probe this is a different case. the documents found at mara lago has seen compelling evidence now that donald trump used his attorney to help further a crime. so the big question could that attorney now have to testify, plus federal reserve chair jerome powell just hours away now from the decision that is considered to be maybe the most significant of his career. will he decide to raise interest rates again to fight inflat

. >> i'm john berman, good morning. this morning, all nypd officers are standing by for possible deployment as officers across new york city are prepared as that possible rallying cry from former president trump made as a grand jury in new york city could be handing down a criminal indictment against the former president. we will talk about that and the implications. >>> and also, a summit under way at the kremlin with russian president vladimir putin and xi jinping, and we are keeping up with their conversations. >>> and also, the dow is up about 1%, as the fed chair jerome powell is looking at whether or not to raise the interest rates, and how are markets responding? we will keep an eye on that. >>> and we are keeping an eye on the possible indictment, and it is possible that he could keep an eye on that possible indictment in new york city as the grand jury could send down that indictment. what do we know? >> michael cohen was on standby and called as a rebuttal witness and he was not at least as of yesterday. one t

and here's what he said just tonight, with john berman this evening. he said, listen to this. >> let our parents and educators work together to find what is best for the students. i'm all in favor of parents having our more say and more of a role, and in what their students are learning. what i am not in favor of is having state level politicians insert themselves in local schools to gain political points. >> not a very failed attack against who he is talk talking about. obviously rhonda sanders, as an example. how does this play? >> the state authorities have always had leeway to handle the issue of education, whether or a blue state or red state, that's often how this operates. and clearly voters in florida have been fine, broadly, at least a majority of them who turned out to reelect rhonda sanders in the last midterm. so politically right now rhonda santas is hand and leg of education is not hurting him with florida voters or in the republican primary. what is fascinating is, you take governor desantis's handling of curriculum in schools, and there

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. >> and i'm john berman.reat to see you this morning. >> nice to be back with you, my friend. >> a pivotal day in court for the former president. today robert costello, once a legal adviser to trump attorney michael cohen is expected to testify before a new york grand jury and michael cohen has said he's been called as a potential rebuttal witness to costello. that grand jury could issue an indictment or indictments against former president donald trump any day now and trump has called for protests if that happens. we are outside the new york city courthouse watching for the arrival of witnesses this morning. >>> plus, we're also keeping a very close eye on u.s. markets this hour, futures in the green, that's a good thing, but this is after switzerland's largest bank scooped up its rival credit suisse in an emergency rescue deal. >>> plus chinese president xi jinping in moscow at this hour, set to meet with russian president vladimir putin. a closer look at what that means as putin is facing an international

i'm john berman. >> and i'm erica hill. happening right now, police in new york and washington, d.c. on high alert this morning ahead of possible protests after former president trump called on his supporters to, quote, take back our nation. the former president had claimed that he would be arrested on criminal charges today. a source close to his legal team, however, telling cnn the da told them not to expect an indictment until at least tomorrow. so what do we know this morning about what's happening behind the scenes in this unprecedented situation in we will bring you up to speed. >>> plus chinese president xi jinping is meeting at this moment with russian president vp vladimir putin, this is happening in the kremlin. that summit could have major implications for russia's war in ukraine. we will have the latest details from that conversation. >>> and we are watching the stock markets very closely this morning. a lot of green arrows, which is a good thing given the way it's been the last few days as federal reserve chair

i'm john berman and america hill. just moments from now the future of tiktok in the us, the ceo said, to face a grilling from lawmakers over the safety of that app when it comes to your data. and what if any, of that information may be sharing with the chinese government, tiktok says it has more than 150 million users here in the united states, so as you can imagine, a lot of folks interested in this testimony. we're going to take you to that hearing live. obviously we are also watching what's going on in lower manhattan, where a grand jury investigating former president trump that grand jury is meeting today. but we learned just moments ago they will not be discussing a possible indictment today for donald trump. this, of course, has to deal with connections to the hush money scheme to pay off adult film star stormy daniels again. we just learned no testimony, and we don't believe any kind of vote from the grand jury on an indictment for trump today. so what are they doing? and what does that mean? we're gonna answer

i'm john berman in for anderson. remember, according to the former president's own social media post this weekend, the indictment was supposed to happen today. but he had no proof of that and so here we are. yet, all indications are something is in the pipeline but among the litany of things we still don't know about this indictment apart from if it will actually happen is how we will find out about it. will trump be arrested? will there be a mug shot? will he appear in court? what will the actual charges be? will it be a misdemeanor about trying to keep an affair with an adult film star secret and falsifying business records or does the manhattan d.a.'s office believe it has the evidence to sustain a felony conviction about this alleged payoff being part of a much broader charge about trying to influence the election so that is what we don't know. we do know that many top republicans are aghast that anyone would be investigated over a little simple hush money. alleged simple hush money. >> this was personal money. s

. >> and i'm john berman. and kate bolduan starts right now. >>> hello, everyone. at this hour, a legal weight game, and security perhaps and political fallout already, and testing donald trump's prediction that he could be arrested as soon as today. and now, the federal reserve is meeting with the consequential prediction yet. >>> and in los angeles, the students are told to stay home as there a massive strike in the school district. that is what we are watching "at this hour." >>> thank you for being here. i'm kate bolduan. we continue with the focus in new york city and the possible indictment of donald trump. over the weekend the former president claimed that today is the day he would be arrested though he is the only one to say so, a not even his legal team is saying that. this all has to do with the manh manhattan district attorney's movement to get a indictment against the former president. but this has not stopped officials from new york to washington to get prepeared an bracing for possible protests today, and internal nypd memo says that all officers are

. >>> it is the top of the hour, and i'm john berman. >> and preparations under way as a grand jury -- as we wait to see if there could be an indictment soon for former president donald trump, and today is expected to be a pivotal day in court, and today, a former attorney to michael cohen is expected to testify, and he says that he has handed over a number of documents to back up the story. >>> and we are watching the stock markets after serious banking fury, and the stock market is up, but the banking is down for credit suisse are down 50% after the swiss government had to pick up some risk. >>> and xi jinping is meeting with vladimir putin in moscow, and sending a strong message of support despite the invasion of ukraine. we begin with the latest on the trump hush money investigation. and the legal affairs correspondent paula reid is here with the latest, and lot going on with robert costello testifying, and we have details surrounding this testimony, paula. >> what is interesting here is that even though prosecutors are running the grand jury, this is witness that was requested by

. >>> john berman in here for anderson. this is special live coverage by the international criminal court to issue arrest warrants for war crime charges for president vladimir putin and his deputy who runs russia's program of taking children from ukraine. thousands of them to russia for indoctrination and in some cases adoption by russian families. today, cnn got this exclusive interview with karine kohn, the icc's chief prosecutor. he joins us as well as ivan watson from ukraine. this is a story that he and 360 have been reporting on extensively. we start things off with carissa ward and her interview. >> reporter: john, he was keen to tell us that this is really just the first step in what promises to be a long journey. the arrest warrants that were given out today for president putin and also the russian height commissioner for children, these are just the first two, essentially. there may be more coming. there may be other areas that they will be exploring. there is no shortage of alleged war crimes that have taken plac

john berman in for anderson. you might have watched thi

." >> and i'm john berman. victor is off this froop.e begin with president biden's dramatic overnight move to dparnguarantee the money is e bank. this comes after the failure of two banks. today the president announced regulators are taking them over, but unlike what was seen in 2008 the u.s. will cover only bank customers not bank investors. >> all customers who had deposits in these banks can rest assured that we protect it, and they'll have access to their money as of today. that includes small businesses across the country that bank there and need to make payroll, pay their bills and stay open for business. investors in the banks will not be protected. they knowingly took a risk, and when the risk didn't pay off, investors lose their money. that's how capitalism works. >> svb's small businesses are thankthal for president biden's decision. >> i am quite relieved from what i heard from president biden. i think the administration has taken on exactly the way i think it should be, which is the depositors of the bank need to be made who

hi, this is to make it taylor from project 50 99, a civil rights organization organize found by john bermands great, but did you know that a few vote by mail your personal info boyish will be part of a public database will be used by police departments to track donald warrants and be used by credit card companies to collect outstanding debts the cdc is even pushing to give preference for mail-in voting to try people for mandatory vaccines. don't be complacent given your private information to the man. stay safe, and beware of vote by mail. >> absolutely no that is true that is all complete and total poppy if you vote via mail in the not coming for credit card debts there not committee be mandatory shots none of that is true, but in 2020 that call went out to thousands, of mostly black voters and cities across the midwest in the northeast. the purpose of the robocalls not hard to figure, out it was meant to scare black voters, out of voting by, mail may be out of a scare them out a voting at all, as no mystery who's behind it, the names were literally in the rubble call. it's no civil rights

i'm john berman. >> this morning president biden reassuring americans that the u.s. banking system remains safe. this despite the failure of two significant banks within 48 hours. silicon valley bank and signature bank have now been taken over by federal regulators. >> all customers who had deposits in these banks can rest assured. rest assured they'll be protected and they'll have access to their money as of today. that includes small businesses across the country that bank there and need to make payroll, pay their bills and stay open for business. no losses -- this is an important point. no losses will be borne by the taxpayers. >> the president emphasized the customers will be fully protected while the bank's managers and investors will be held accountable. he also outlined the emergency measures his administration took to protect the bank's customers. cnn's priscilla alvarez is with us. look, a lot of this is trying to ease the anxiety about the anxiety because fear is the real problem. so what else is the administration doing to try to ease these fears? >> and o

john berman in for anderson. you might have watched this american fighter harassing international air space, tonight in today's confrontation between russia and the west. one in which moscow is already fighting a hot war in europe and just during the cold war it's actively trying to subvert pro western governments. we have a 360 exclusive on a russian document laying out one such plan to effectually topple a country besides ukraine an indications that the scheme already started. first, what that video tells us in new details on the upper accepted. cnn oren lieberman >> high over the black sea, it pointed backwards, a russian fighter jet closing fast on the much slower mq 9 reaper, the russian jet begins dumping fuel, the vapor and spinning propeller clearly visible in the video. the russian fighter flies by on another pass dumping fuel once again the jet comes even closer and the video picks lates when the fighter collides with drone you can see the propeller with a bent blade damaged in the impact in the side by

i'm john berman. >> with us to talk more about what we just heard is natasha bertram at the pentagon,iven watts in eastern ukraine, and cnn military analyst retired air force colonel cedric leighton. we got more details about what took place, this interaction between the drone and the russian mig took place between 30 to 40 minutes. we heard from the press secretary at the pentagon he believes the mig was also damaged and so far the drone has not been recovered by the russians. what more did you learn? >> that's right. we are getting interesting new details from the pentagon press secretary that said those fighter jets were flying alongside that surveillance drone unmanned for about 30 to 40 minutes before they started messing with it. and essentially what happened, he reiterated what we've been told already which is that the fighter jets started flying very close to that drone all of a sudden and actually started dumping feel out in front of it, and at one point the jets actually hit the propeller of that drone, making it essentially unflyable and forcing the u.s. military to bring i

i'm john berman. >> and i'm erica hill.ests after former president trump called on his supporters to, quote, take back our nation. the former president had claimed that he would be

." >> i'm john berman. we begin with breaking news. a russian fighter jet has forced down a u.s.one over the black sea. the u.s. air force says the jet damaged the propeller of an mq-9 reaper drone. >> the aircrafts were operating over international waters when one of the jets intentionally flew in front of the drone and began dumping fuel. the white house says president biden has been briefed on the situation. cnn's oren liebermann is at the pentagon. we also have mark kimmitt. what are you learning? >> this played out early this morning over the black sea according to u.s. air force europe where a surveillance drone, an mq-9 reaper drone, was operating, again, over international waters when the air force says two russian fighter jets conducted an intercept in an up safe and unprofessional manner. but it goes beyond that. after the interpret, the russian fighter jets flew in front of the u.s. reaper drone, jumped dual in an attempt to disturb or disrupt its flights and got behind the drone and damaged its propeller. that forced the u.s. to bring down the drone in international w

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. >>> john berman here in for anderson. and this is a special live coverage of today's historic decision by the international criminal court to issue arrest warrants on war crimes charges for russian president vladimir putin and his deputy who runs russia's program of taking children from ukraine. thousands of them. to russia for indoctrination and in some cases adoption by russian families. today cnn's clarissa ward got this exclusive interview with karim khan, the icc's chief prosecutor. she joins us from the hague. cnn's matthew chance is monitoring russian reaction. he joins us as well as does cnn's ivan watson from ukraine. this is a story he and "360" have been reporting on extensively. we start things off with carissa ward and her interview at the hague. carissa. >> reporter: john, well, karim khan was keen to tell us that this is really just the first step in what promises to be a long journey. the arrest warrants that were given out today for president putin and also for the russia high commissioner for children ma

. >>> john berman here in for anderson.ational criminal court to issue arrest warrants on war crimes charges for russian president vladimir putin and his deputy who runs russia's program of taking children from ukraine. thousands of them. to russia for indoctrination and in some cases adoption by russian families. today cnn's clarissa ward got this exclusive interview with karim khan, the icc's chief

. >>> john berman in here for anderson.r war crime charges for president vladimir putin and his deputy who runs russia's program of taking children from ukraine. thousands of them to russia for indoctrination and in some cases adoption by russian families. today, cnn got this exclusive interview with karine kohn, the icc's

. >> and i'm john berman.iend. >> a pivotal day in court for the former president

john berman here in for, anderson by now you might have already watch this video of a russian fighter, harassing an american drone, in international airspace over the black sea. tonight, we look at what it signifies in today's confrontation between russia and the west, one in which moscow is already fighting a hot war in europe, and just as during the cold war, it's also actively trying to subvert pro western governments. we have a three 60 exclusive, on a russian document laying out one such plan to effectively topple a country besides ukraine, and indications that the scheme is already started. first, though, but that video tells us in new tail details on the intercepted cells. cnn's oren liebermann has that. >> high over the black sea, a u. s. spy drone points of camera backwards, towards its own tale. russian fighter jet closing fast on the much slower and q nine reiber. the russian jet then begins dumping fuel as it passes by the drone. the cloud of fuel vapor and crucially, the spinning propeller, clearly visible in the video after the pass. the russian sequoias you 27 fighter t

and my strange work husband, john berman. [laughter] >> very favorite? >> i like that list. and i think i'm going to go with one of the very favorite ones. >> all right, great to have you all here. okay, should i just start with this totally loaded question of who thinks wokeness is gone too far? >>, well i mean i think it goes back to jake tapper's question what does wokeness even mean? >> what does it mean? >> i think people throw it around, and i mean all sorts of things. i think freddy the board, when he writes about, this has the best term to use for it. which is that people are talk about social justice politics, which is a politics that's more focused on peoples group identities and marginalized groups and how societal biases and history reflect the way people get to exist and live based on their membership in different groups. >> you mean the best form? even the best form? >> that's form, and its worst form. you can do that kind of analysis well, or you can do poorly. i think that's usually what people are talking openly use the term wokeness. i guess the other thing

john berman here in for anderson , and it came just hours after u.retaliation for a drone strike believed to be the work of iranian affiliated groups, which killed an american contractor and wounded five service members and now another pair of strikes as president. biden speaks out for the first time on the situation. cnn's or lieberman is at the pentagon for us tonight or in what's the latest on casualties among us personnel there? john we're looking at four attacks in a number of

i'm john berman. and i'm erica hill today could could be the day of grand jury decides whether to indict former president donald trump. keep in mind never in the nation's history, has a sitting or former president been charged with a crime. so this, of course, because i know there's a lot happening legally here. this is the jury in manhattan that i'm referencing looking into former president the former president's hush money payments to stormy daniels. so as we wait for that decision, a judge handling a different case involving the former president that classified documents probe has now ruled that trump's lawyer must testify that the attorney client privilege no longer applies here . but could the supreme court get involved now? we're going to watch. both of those cases were very closely throughout the morning fed chair jerome powell. he has now raised interest rates to fight inflation again, but was this hike? too much too soon for shaky banks to handle. the markets open in just 30 minutes. we are w

john berman here in for anderson, and it came just hours after u. s retaliation for a drone strike believed to be the work of iranian affiliated groups, which killed an american contractor and wounded five service members and now another pair of strikes as president. biden speaks out for the first time on the situation. cnn's or lieberman is at the pentagon for us tonight or in what's the latest on casualties among us personnel there. john. we're looking at four attacks in a number of different locations against u. s personnel in syria over the course of the past 36 hours ago or so the first of those attacks was a one way drone attack a suicide drone attack in northeast syria that left one u. s contractor dead and six u. s personnel injured. five of those are u s service members. they're in stable condition at this point. then later on in the evening, there were 10 rockets fired at a green village site in central or eastern syria, right about that part that led to note. injuries but when the u. s retaliated, we saw two more attacks over the course o

the urging of republicans including the good chairman, that john berman special counsel investigation was set up in 2019 by barr to find out wrongdoing by intelligence or law enforcement agencies in the origins of the mueller investigation. and we've heard some of the marines about this today. after four years and millions i'm dollars spent. the investigation closed as a total flop without unearthing anything like the deep state conspiracy that republicans have been denouncing around here for years. it couldn't find anything of substance to it. barr and durham kept pressing in abusive ways. i hope your subcommittee well investigated. when doj prosecutor robert left skin, who represented two witnesses before the durham probe told the new york times he was shot. this stuff had my head spinning, he said. when do these guys drink kool-aid? who served it to them? amazingly, when prosecutor is participating in this case chase actually came into possession of evidence of a real offense from italian government officials of a potentially major financial fine, committed by donald trump, how dio

i'm john berman.d i'm erica hill today could could be the day of grand jury decides whether to indict former president donald trump. keep in mind never in the nation's history, has a sitting or former president been charged with a crime. so this, of course, because i know there's a lot happening legally here. this is the jury in manhattan that i'm referencing looking into former president the former president's hush money payments to stormy daniels. so as we wait for that decision

and i'm john berman. great to see you this morning. likewise there is a growing legal clouds or clouds swirling around the former president this morning. we are watching for a possible indictment to be handed up in manhattan in connection to the hush money payments to porn star stormy daniels. that really could happen any minute. or not, we just don't know. well, that is going on another significant development, this one in the mara lago documents case, sources say that a federal judge has seen compelling evidence that donald trump used his attorney to help further a crime . we have the latest on these developments as a federal appeals court decides if trump's attorney will be forced to testify. plus, we should soon have an answer to the question that everybody is very murky. crystal ball cannot answer. what the federal reserve will do with interest rates. this as you know, directly impacts your bottom line. so what is chairman powell weighing ahead of this big decision to take a look at those details and also the pomp and circumstance

and i'm john berman at this arrow with kate baldwin starts. right now. hello everyone at this hour, the federal reserve's big day to raise or to hold and what are the ripple effects from all of that, plus new moves in separate investigations into former president trump with eyes on a new york city courthouse and his palm beach house and ukraine's president, visits the front lines of his country's war against russia as the pentagon steps up its timeline. for sending new weapons their way. this is what we're watching at this hour. thanks for being here. i'm kate baldwin. we begin between a rock and a hard place, which is where the federal reserve seems to find itself. right now. a few hours from now we're going to find out if the fed is going to raise interest rates again in its efforts to fight inflation, or if they will hold steady and take a pause if you will, following the worst banking crisis since 2008 some of the smart minds expect the fed to raise rates by a quarter point. but the collapse of silicon valley bank and the subsequent fallout is clearl

i'm john berman. developing this morning. we are getting new information about the u.aliation after a drone attack killed an american contractor and wounded five u. s service members in syria. this video appears to show the aftermath of that strike. the pentag

john berman here in for anderson, and it came just hours after u. retaliation for a drone strike believed to be the work of iranian affiliated groups, which killed an american contractor and wounded five service members and now anoth

i want to bring in my panel, los angeles times columnist lz granderson starve cnn john berman, former senate candidate joe pinyon and commentator ana navarro. guys thanks so much for being here before we start. let me just bring everybody up to speed about what we know about this school shooting at this hour, so police say the suspect had attended that elementary school may have resented going there. there is some belief that there was some resentment for having to go to that school. don't have all the details of that just yet, and that's why this incident occurred. police say they're still investigating whether the suspect identified as transgender and whether that played any role whatsoever. they say the suspect was a 28 year old nashville residents armed with two a r style weapons and a handgun and killed by police at the scene. police say they found the shooter's writings and detailed maps of that school. okay so let me bring in our panel now. so, john, um as i said, we can't keep having the same circular conversation. we have it all the time. you and i have reported on these all

i'm john berman. developing this morning. we are getting new information about the u. s retaliation after a drone attack killed an american contractor and wounded five u. s service members in syria. this video appears to show the aftermath of that strike. the pentagon believes the drone that hit a base housing u. s personnel. they believe that drone was iranian. it made u. s forces quickly struck back targeting facilities used by iran's revolutionary guard, so, says u s officials say u. s officials this morning cnn got reaction from the white house. we don't seek a war with iran. we're not looking for an armed conflict with that country or another war in the region. we do seek to protect our mission in syria. all of this is unfolding as president biden is set to meet with the canadian prime minister justin trudeau. we are alive in ottawa. we're waiting to hear from the president himself. on this attack in syria. also just a few minutes ago. you can see him there in the back of him. that is trump attorney evan corcoran, arriving at a washington dc courthouse. he just en

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their lives were disrupted by investigations jim comey, andy mccabe we learned from jeffrey berman's book john kerry was investigated seems like doj didn't hold strong against trump's stated desires. >> well, i think that you raise an important important of all the investigations that have gone on, we have never seep a full, thorough, deep dive by someone who has the badge or a gun or the powers of subpoena to look at how trump tried to weaponize the federal government against his enemies. and i think it's a tdistinct dive-bap your than the other behavior we saw. i'll leave it up to the former federal prosecutors to assess whether it's illegal or not illegal, but it has larger ramifications than that because it has -- we now have all these different examples of a president of the united states who tried to use the justice department against his enemies like, imagine if one of those people had actually been prosecuted and thrown in jail. that would have been a great extraordinary thing. a lot of these people were investigated people in the media this their phone records taken. i had my phone re

the next guest says pockets remain we have the neuberger berman's connected zplumer. good to have you here, john consumers here? you simply have a split opinion here, we have excess savings, wage growth is pretty good, inflation has peaked, on the other hand you see some strains in the household balance sheet >> yes, thanks, great to see you. i think you set that up well but a lot of the good guys are getting -- so we had this really flush consumer balance sheet the last couple of years, and those savings levels, the excess savings have largely depleted, inflation is coming down, but it's still, you know, too hot for the consumer to feel particularly good, and you're seeing that in the consumer confidence data. when you layer on top of that some of the bank-related headlines we've seen this week, they certainly -- that certainly didn't help. i mean we've seen it under depositors we've seen it under capital markets. and certainly not going to have a good positive impact on the consumers degree of confidence and the next thing to look out for is whether that drives some credit tightness, and diffi