ambassador to the united nations, john bolton. >> how are you? greta: fine, thank you.s there something else going on behind the scenes? >> there is speculation that this was a decision not made by the justice authorities but by prime minister gordon brown. the speculation centers on whether there is a commercial deal with the government of libya that this might be in the works and this is designed to facilitate. this is absolutely unbelievable that this guy is in libya today. maybe it is just a defect in the scottish justice ministry. greta: i was disappointed by our response. the president and the secretary of state did something. could we have done more? could we have done something to make them extradite him here to answer charges? >> i don't think so. this goes back to the clinton administration when al megrahi was first taken. we were arguing who would charge him first. whether it would be the u.k., scotland, or us. the clinton administration agreed that scotland could carry the prosecution and that was a very important decision for many reasons, one is that they

greta: up next, ambassador john bolton goes "on the record." first, we go to our headline news. >> winds up to 45 miles an hour are making it very difficult for firefighters in southern california. fire and forestry officials are saying the flames have burned about 125 acres. mandatory evacuations are in effect for about 20 homes. the fires are now about 35% contained. new jersey police safely detonate explosives found in a car. acting on a tip, cops found a package containing five to eight pounds of homemade explosives. the car was parked outside a home which police say was the site of a drug raid in may. youth movie director and writer john hughes has died of a heart attack in new york city. hughes launched the careers of many young actors in the 1980's and 1990's with such films as "the breakfast club," "ferris bueller's day off" and home alone. he was 59. we now head back to "on the record" with greta. greta: this report is nothing short of outrageous. according to the pakistani army, the taliban is kidnapping pakistani boys, grabbing them

john bolton goes "on the um bill-- why is dick butkus here? i hired him to speak. a lot of fortune 500 companies use him. but-- i'm your only employee. we're gonna start using fedex to ship globally-- that means billions of potential customers. we're gonna be huge. good morning! you know business is a lot like football... i just don't understand... i'm sorry dick butkus. (announcer) we understand. you want to grow internationally. fedex express greta: if this doesn't make you angry, nothing will. this libyan terrorist is a murderer. now he is town with his family. he is responsible for killing 270 people. -- now he is home with his family. he went to prison but he was let go after 8 years. he just got sent home in a jet and the scottish excuse, they feel sorry for him. they say he is dying of cancer so they think that he should be in his own home with family and friends. do you think so? joining us is the former u.s. ambassador to the united nations, john bolton. >> how are you? greta: fine, thank you. is there something else going on behind the scenes? >> there is

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ambassador john bolton joins us.mbassador, we want to talk about iran, but first, senator clinton and securing the release of these journalists? >> jimy carter's suddenly showed up in north korea during some very difficult negotiations over the weapons program with the north and came out with something very different than what president clinton wanted, and i had visions of the same thing, but given that mrs. clinton is secretary of state, at this and maybe was better coordinator. -- and this was maybe better coordinated. gravelle i forgot that jimmy carter had been there when i spoke to jennifer griffin -- greta: i forgot that jimmy carter had been there when i spoke to jennifer griffin. all right, iran and israel. is israel likely, in your view, to take some of unilateral steps against iran? >> i do not think israel has really made a decision, but i think if you look at history, israel has not been afraid to take pre-emptive military action when it has seen an existential threat to the state of israel. they destroye

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ambassador john bolton. he questions, why this high profile visit for these two women? a journalist was captured in and jailed in iran. there was no high-profile representative from the u.s. government going to her aid, although journalists around the world were seeking her release. we have three americans now who illegally, allegedly by iranian standards crossed their border from iraq. they are in jail, bolton and others have asked are we going to see president clinton packing his bags to go and get them? what does this mean for other dictatorships looking at this and how they deal with the u.s.? >> i think that's a great question. i think the main point to focus on here is that different countries require different approaches. john bolton and others have said that this too much of a concession that we are giving something and not getting anything in return. they may have a point but the bottom line is the obama administration made a decision that this was the minimum they could do to get these women free. i believe if they faced a similar choice with another journalis

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ambassador john bolton predicted last week that sometime they would. they have cautioned that an isra israeli attack on iran could be detrimental. we ask him about all of this. let's get started. >>> and now i welcome michael oren, israel ambassador to the united states. >> fareed, good to be back here. >> let's talk about iran. john bolton has recently said that he believes israeli is likely to attack iran by the end of this year. is that true? >> i don't think it's true. i think we are far from even contemplating such things right now. the government of israel has supported president obama in his approach to iran, initially the engagement, the outreach to iran. >> you're just saying this, michael. little well kno it is well known the government of israel is uncomfortable about the president. >> littit is, but the prime minr assured him there would be a serious reassessment of the re-engagement policy before the end of the year. we are reassured that that deadline has been moved up to september, we actually have a date when it's going to occur. we are

did america give up something here, and i think, does this, , as john bolton say, compares the closerorists or a rogue nation -- i think, does this come, as john bolton say, come close to negotiating with terrorists? >> i come from the school that things, you know, yee is a 3- year-old acting out for whatever reason, -- he is a 3-year-old. yes, it is great that we got the two girls back, but he got what he wanted, too. >> he is not a 3-year-old. he is someone who hates us. >> the situation about these two women who were kidnapped, arrested, that is part of his acting out. >> let's just talk about for one moment that we are talkingç abt the same president who legitimized arafat. now, he has gone into north korea and has legitimized kim jong il. this is not a 3-year-old. this is serious business that he has injected himself into once again. >> i think is good that ms. ling and ms. lee are back. they were going to be incarcerated for 12 years for whatever is they were accused of doing, and now they are coming back, with the former president standing at the top of the airplane, welcomin

ambassador john bolton. >> obviously bringing a former president to north korea is a lifeline of legitimacy for kim jung il's regime and other owing states are watching this very -- other rogue states are watching this carefully to our detriment. bringing in somebody like president clinton who was deeply involved in dealing with north korea on its nuclear weapons program during his presidency hopelessly confuses those issues and gives kim jong il a leg up at a time when the regime is under a lot of pressure. laura ling and union that lee were working for al gore's current t.v. when they were taken in march and sentenced to 20 years hard labor. kim jung il ordered the two women pardoned during bill clinton's visit after his wife, the secretary of state, asked for amnesty. >> the two families expressed great remorse for this incident. i think everyone is very sorry that it happened. >> the north korean news agency, the official state news agency, has reported that the plane has already taken off and that clinton's party has left. however, the original flight plan had clinton's plane leaving b

john bolton is the former ambassador of the un and a fox news contributor.iew this as a victory, as a celebration of sorts. >> claim he is innocent of the killing of 270 people. this is a travesty. the families of the victims are outraged, and they should be. trace: he was known for years as a political hostage. what does it do for relations? president obama has condemned this. >> we have full diplomatic relations with libya. that was put in place after they gave up the nuclear weapons program. we will not gain anything by this. even if this person has terminal cancer, if you want compassion, bring his relatives to scotland. trace: is there any recourse? the victims are outraged. they want to know if there's anything they can do? >> he was held in scotland. we had agreed years ago that he would be tried according to a scottish justice. he could have been tried in this country. under double jeopardy, we will not get another shot at him. trace: we have diplomatic relations, as you say. >> this was not a decision purely by the government of scotland. they have

john bolton has recently said that he believes that israel is likely to attack iran by the end of this year. is that true? >> i don't think it's true. i think that we are far from even contemplating such things right now. the government of israel has supported president obama in his approach to iran, initially the engagement, the outreach to iran. >> you're just saying this, michael. you don't really -- it is well known that the government of israel is uncomfortable about the engagement with the president. >> it is, but the prime minister told him in may, assured him there would be a serious reassessment of the re-engagement policy before the end of the year. we are reassured that that deadline has been moved up to september. we actually have a date when it's going to occur. we are comforted by the fact that the administration in the aftermath of recent events in iran have considered great willingness to consider formulating a package of serious sanctions against iran, even now in advance of the reassessment. . isn't it true that we now know something about iran that we weren't quite h

you know, i heard john bolton make his statement. and the fact of the matter is that bill clinton went to north korea on a humanitarian mission, to bring back euna and laura. he was on the ground less than 24 hours. 20 hours, i believe, was the duration of his stay. that was really it. and it was communicated to me, through my sister, who communicated on the things she had been told, that bill clinton was the person that they needed to come and get them if they were going to be released. and frankly, bill clinton was gracious enough to agree to do it. and we are so, so grateful. if he didn't do it, i know that the girls wouldn't be here right now. >> lisa, again, we can't thank you enough for talking with us stick with us for a couple of minutes while we take a short break. we'd love to hear more about how your sister is doing today. we'd love to hear what you think about laura, euna and also everything that lisa's been able to tell us tonight. logon to ac360.com and join the live blog. we'll be getting to the other breaking story as

john bolton critical of -- i can't even ask a serious question. what the hell was that about? riticism or the trip? >> the criticism. >> i couldn't explain john when i worked with him, i wouldn't begin to start now. >> some conservatives are going to be critical. >> sure. >> do you have concerns? >> sometimes a humanitarian is just a humanitarian mission and in this case it worked and the administration is correctly gone to some pains to make clear this doesn't affect the policy. >> does it concern you the north koreans are lying about their conversations with bill clinton, what they did and didn't say? >> they lie about everything else, the counterfeit dollars, they sell drugs -- >> they export nuclear technology. >> so why should we be surprised they misrepresent a conversation? >> just for argument's sake what is the -- if you had to find a down side of this trip, just to give john bolton a bullet to shoot from his gun, what's the worst thing that could come out of this trip? >> that some north koreans would think if they continue to do bad things, in this case kidnap appare

bastard john bolton is former u.s. ambassador to the imaginations and is also a "fox news" computer. always great to have your ambassador bolton. what we know? helping the deal could this become? spec i would be quite concerned about it. i think anybody who remembers the iranian seizure of our embassy in tehran in 1979 and the agony we went through with the americans who are captured at that time, has to worry about these hikers. even if they were completely innocent crossing a line that's not exactly painted in yellow in that region, they are not potentially hostages of the iranian regime. i think we have to be very worried about that. >> julie: iran has detained americans before. with all remember roxana said very. is this detention of people who cross the border by mistake, or is there more to lawlessness to give back that we do not know. i don't think we'll be able to find it out until our swiss protecting power look after our interests in the absence of diplomatic relations with iran, until they can get access to

. >> reporter: critics like john bolton says the administration set a dangerous president with a trick that other rowing states might want to repeat. while the political debate may just be starting, for euna lee and laura ling, their ordeal is over. >> the nightmare of our lives was finally coming to an end. and now we stand here home and free. >> reporter: president clinton is expected to brief the white house's national security team about what went on during his meeting with the korean leader kim ill young. the u.s. officials are eager for any firsthand information they can receive about his health and how he appeared during the meetings. >> you can only imagine how the families of the women felt. laura ling's sister lisa talked about what they have been through. >> not being able to communicate to her, with her, not being able to see her and talk to her on a regular basis was devastating. to be able to look into her eyes and her little face today was absolutely indescribable. >> reporter: tonight we are learning healthy hollywood producer stephen bing paid for the private flight th

. >> that overwhelmed a few people like john bolton said listen, we gave kim jong-il a huge, huge gift that he has earned because he's still building nuclear weapons and so on. every else just ignored him because he don't want to say the truth. this is bad for u.s. diplomacy in london this metro cost their cameraman producer who was with them when they were captured, and made it back to united states back in march, nobody has ever heard the story. what's that all about russian ark cement hate to use the word it remains to be seen. i would assume that some of the things that were not done or not said, david rohde in question, but the media were asked not to report on it. i think the media have time to look into it. i'm uncomfortable with the implication that these women delivered late and find our spooks what are we implying? >> at the end of the day it's the freakish regime that's going to sentence people to focus hard labor for setting foot in that territory that bears the blame. >> but this freakish regime is absolutely frustrated every single administration from bill clinton to geor

ambassador john bolton. he said mr. clinton paid "a form of political ransom."linton trip is a significant propaganda victory for north korea. whether or not he carried an official message from president obama. despite decades of not negotiating for terrorists, president obama chose to negotiate and sent a former president. making north korea out to be terrorists, these women to be hostages and this is a bad move. >> north korea has not engaged in a major terrorist act for about two decades. they have done awful things in that time. look at what happened since last april. they had the long range missile test the nuclear test, the renunciation of the armistice. >> they have been busy. >> then we send an emissary. that doesn't look too good. maybe bolton's words were not quite right but i get the gist. >> david gergen he wrote these reporters were pawns in a larger game of enhancing the regime's legitimacy and gaining access to important u.s. figures. is this going to give them better access and help them dictate where the conversation flows in the future? >> i th

john bolton telling the french press agency it comes close to negotiating with terrorists. let's go now to jill doherty in washington for more on this, jill. it was a little bit surprising by some that mr. bolton would come out and say this, especially after it all ended up it, appears, as a good thing with these two journalists coming home. >> i think what mr. bolton is talking about is the criticism that some others are leveling, as well. that is, do you use this, this president going to rescue or take away those journalists back home for other situations that we have unfolding. now, should, in other words, bill clinton or somebody else high level go to iran and take the three americans who are being held there who happen to walk over the border, we understand. similar situation. and the question is, is that the type of diplomacy that you want. now, the administration would say that's not diplomacy at all. that's humanitarianism, it's strictly personal and bill clinton going as an individual, north koreans wanted him and has nulth nothing to do with all the overall relati

john bolton is right.his is a lifeline to a regime that is a terrorist regime, that has proliferated nuclear technology to a terror sponsoring state in syria, and brutalizes its own people, and there bill clinton is, in effect, begging to get these journalists back. bret: there is a report that the journalists were told to contact their families and tell them "give us former president clinton and we'll let you go." we'll see if that turns out to be true. charles, what about the negotiating with terrorists or terrorist-supporting states? >> it's always humiliating, but in the end you have to do it, and it's been done by the reagan administration, by the bush administration, father and son, and clinton, but it's not a triumph on our part by any means. we have had hostages in iran, and we quietly released a bunch of killers, iranians caught in iraq, and we released them months later, and again, they want to hide what the exchange is about. that's why we will won't learn about the further ransom until a lot la

john bolton is a former ambassador to the un. talk to me a little bit about john brennan and about this panel that is getting put together. >> i think are very serious questions about this. the idea that you can take interrogation of detainee's detainee's out of the process is a big mistake. the interrogators need to be part of a larger effort. to put them under the direct supervision or oversight of the national security council is a huge mistake. we are in the process of dismantling our intelligence gathering capabilities, at least on the human intelligence side with the investigations of the cia that the justice department will carry out. the massive declassification of cia documents that we have seen. the dispute between the cia director and a director of national intelligence, which is debilitating the intelligence community. all of this points in the direction of the much weaker intelligence gathering capabilities. martha: if he is put in this role, he was with the cia. he was there when these enhanced interrogation techniqu

sean: is this becoming perilously close, as john bolton says, of negotiating with terrorists?is will lecturing the sign that americans. there are some image problems here. -- americans. >> like you have been harping on, sean, you know why i am hoping the way they handled this, and i thought this was so good? it must have paint the right wing to see what clinton did, and that al gore came out. ç-- and then al gore came out. sean: if it were my sister or daughter, i would be a static. i mean that, seriously. >> -- i would be a static -- ecstatic. >> as long as they do not hilug bill clinton. sean: i have this strange idea that we should not be negotiating with resignations. you do not think this was a predetermined deal -- with rogue nations. did we give up anything potentially? >> we opened the door to negotiations or at least to discussions about their nuclear program. >> at first, they did not talk about nuclear, and now, they are

that's never what this was about, said former ambassador john bolton. >> kim jung il saw these journalists as pawns in a larger strategic struggle, principally over the nuclear weapons program but due in part to the secession succession issue as his health deteriorates. >> secretary of state clinton today said that the north koreans will be welcome back at six-party talks, but kim has apparently gotten what he has long wanted, one-on-one talks with a high-profile american. bret: jennifer griffin live at the pentagon. thank you. in other news around the world, the russian official says the presence of two russian nuclear attack submarines in the atlantic near u.s. waters is a normal thing, and that the subs were on a routine training mission. the pentagon says one of the submarines was patrolling in international waters off the georgia coast, and the other was near greenland. in south core e ya, police commandos seized all but one key building in a south korean auto factory which has been occupied by hundreds of laid off workers for two months. battle riot police used tear gas cans today. t

. >> john bolton, the former -- >> i'm sorry. really shouldn't. >> this is rewarding hostage taking. why is he wrong? because they effectively took hostages? >> we've done this so many times. had former presidents do it. had sitting members of congress do it. it is something that -- you know, it is absolutely not rewarding them. it is not in any way responding to specific demands. it is a recognition that certain countries, that i think are kind of beyond the pale of the rule of law, hold people and subject them to long prison terms that are absolutely unfair and unwarranted, and maybe it's, you know, the fact i have a daughter, but i believe that if we could bring these young women home, we should bring them home. >> bringing those two journalists home was, of course, the priority, but so is america's overall diplomatic strategy. should any american traveler in harm's way expect similar attention and does this attention help or hurt easing tensions in countries like north korea or iran? join pd by the chairman of the cohen group

we have john bolton the former passenger to the united nations and "fox news" contributor to help uselieve he's taken a page from north korea's book in this hoping that this high-profile hostagetaking will get our attention, because he's getting his way to queue ? 'it's true the hostages have been taken to tehran that makes things more complicated. the easy way out of this while they were still near the iraqi border is for the border security people to talk to be iraqi border security people and say this was a innocent mistake no harm, no foul and handed back over to the iraqis. that possibility is now gone. >> julie: do you think bill clinton or another ex-president will go to tehran two talk as bill clinton just a term that the release of the north of the reporters from north korea snack i'm sure they are trying to figure out what strategy to do to make these three hikers into a pond and the largest tg can. it may also be possible the iranian leadership says we don't need this competition now let's just give them back. that's part of the problem in assessing where we are is the pot

. >> but john bolton said -- >> [ laughter ] >> should i go on? >> no, you really shouldn't. >> they effectively took hostag hostages. >> we've done this so many times before. we've had former presidents do it, we've had city members of congress do it. it is something that is absolutely not rewarding them, it is not in any way responding to specific demands, it is a recognition that certain countries that i think are kind of beyond the pale of the rule of law hold them subjected to long prison terms that are absolutelily unfair and unwarranted, and maybe it's the fact i have a daughter, but i believed that if we could bring these young women home, we should bring them home. it had nothing to do with our policy, and of course, you mention somebody who, heavens, if president obama walked on water, he'd say he couldn't swim. so it's not something that i think is relevant to what we're trying to do. >> speaking of hard negotiations, the unusual circumstances of your becoming secretary of state -- >> unusual is an understated way of saying it. >> no wa

i'm surprised john bolton would be negative about this.'m surprised anybody would be negative about bringing these women back. >> we raised earlier, it's a tough issue, but this whole going across borders especially borders of countries that are -- i don't want to use the word enemies or certainly not friends of the united states. when you're told to turn around and you don't turn around, what responsibility do you have? >> you've been told that, correct? >> on the iranian border, yes. and i turned around. >> you kurnd around because if not you put the entire country at risk, which has happened in iran. every time i come back to the united states they tell me to turn around. savannah guthrie, thank you so much for being with us. >> reporter: hi, joe. >> so -- the leaf blower guy. the leaf blower is there. >> reporter: it's bad today. >> he's now targeted you as well. >> reporter: i sense a conspiracy. >> the white house says they have nothing to do with bill clinton's trip to north korea. it's what they should say. now information they orc

ambassador to the u.n., john bolton, called the trip a propaganda victory for north korea, and a reward for hostage taking. but california senator dianne feinstein, who had pushed for a high-level envoy to make the trip, dismissed the criticism. >> i think that's nonsense. these are american citizens. what would you have us do? leave them there, do nothing? the trip was a success for the president. it's a success for the girls. my reaction is it's great. >> reporter: also on that plane with lee and ling and former president clinton is former vice president al gore. we do expect to hear remarks from him when the plane lands, and then we're told, the two former captives from north korea, now again free american citizens, are going to laura ling's mom's house, which isn't far from here at the airport, for what you can only imagine will be a very happy family reunion. meredith? >> some good news. chris jansing, thank you very much. nbc's chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell is traveling with secretary of state hillary clinton. she is in nairobi, kenya, this morning, where she

we are glad to have the great john bolton. former u.n. ambassador and fox news contributor.l that stuff, i just have a few generic questions about being a diplomat. first off, i have to ask you, is it the coolest job in the world? >> i wouldn't necessarily say so. depends on where you are and who you are dealing with. there are a lot of interesting moments, that is for sure. >> greg: is it true that you get to choose your own art for your own office like if you wanted apy cas picasso. >> you get to choose the art for your residence but it is all within a u.s. government budget let me assure you of that. >> all laugh valuable information lamps all the -- all lava lamps all the time. >> whatever you can get people to give you for free. >> greg: what is your favorite country to go to because you are obviously traveling a lot. >> well, i have always enjoyed going to moss cue. moscow. i went there quite a bit when i was undersecretary for arms control. i went to marriott and they always put me in the same room, why do you think they did that? [ laughter ] >> what a lazy lugger. >

sean: are they close to negotiating with terrorists, as john bolton said? >> it's perilously close.ou've got private markets developing in north korea right now that are trying to break free of the kim regime. >> what i want to say is this deserves to have the six-party talks. the other party at that table are the ones who are really affected. sean: but that's gone now. >> but having said that, if the bush administration had not wasted six years not being willing to talk in the six-party talk, you have to ends up talking one to won. >> now you're going to go back to the bush administration. this administration needs to take responsibility for the choices and the actions that they're making, and they could not sit down with terrorists. >> if you want to have nuclear weapons there, fine. we don't. sean: thank you all for being with us. appreciate it. coming up, one reporter hit the road to find out just exactly what your stimulus money is paying for. paying for. he found out and he'll tell uuuu pothole:h no...your tire's all flat and junk. oh, did i do that? here, let me get my cellul

ambassador to the united nations, john bolton, immediately criticized president clinton's visit, saying the trip is what he called a significant propaganda victory for north korea. dan lothian has our report from the white house. >> reporter: it was a secret mission by a high level envoy. former president clinton, even as he was getting flowers on his arrival in north korea, the white house was mum. no details, no confirmation until almost ten hours later. why this delicate diplomatic dance? >> this obviously is a very sensitive topic. we will hope to provide some more detail at a later point. our focus right now is on ensuring the safety of the two journalists that are in north korea right now. >> reporter: according to sources intimately involved with the efforts, this was the culmination of weeks of quiet diplomacy, and that senator john kerry, chairman of the foreign relations committee, was also closely involved. one expert suggests the deal was virtually done before former president clinton landed. >> that doesn't mean every detail is locked down and doesn't mean things couldn't g

john bolton says that he is concerned rogue nations will be encouraged to use american hostages as pawnsa has advocated more contacts with less friendly nations in hopes of opening the door to more diplomatic relations. >>> after a double shooting on saturday night, mayor sheila diction n says she won't tolerate violence in the uner harbor. it end bhaind shot in the leg and a 17-year-old shot in the arm. mayor dixon says baltimore's police commission are is working to improve security at the harbor. >>> a shooting in the district has the community worried that this is more vilence to come as witnesses say they heard as many as 15 shots fired around 6:00 saturday night into the 4100 block of minnesota avenue southeast. two of the seven people hit are as young as 14 years old. the rest are 18. so far, police don't have any suspects. antiviolence community organizers say budget short falls are keeping them out on troubled neighborhoods. >> we have come a long way but for us and other people who have been in the schools, it is a recipe for disaster. i am predicting that something will happen

ambassador john bolton says the administration has set a dangerous precedent which a trip that other rogue states may try to repeat. >> bringing a former president to north korea is a lifeline of legitimacy for kim jong il's regime. >> reporter: the political debate may just be starting but for laura ling and euna lee, their nightmare is over. >> the nightmare of our lives was finally coming to an end. and now we stand here home and free. >> reporter: former president clinton is expected to brief the national security team about what went on during his meetings with kim jong il. u.s. officials are so thirsty for firsthand information about the reclusive leader, they're looking for particular details as to his health and well- being. tom fitzgerald, fox 5 news. >>> there are conflicting reports about the fate of the three americans in iran. iran now says they cannot confirm the arrests until further investigation. yesterday a local security official told state tv three americans had been detained there. they were hiking near the iranian bored we are iraq and illegally entered the coun

. >> john bolton, the former u.n. ambassador -- should i even go on? >> no, you really shouldn't. >> he said this is rewarding hostage taking. they effectively have taken hostages -- >> it is something that, you know, it is absolutely not rewarding them. it is not in any way responding to specific demands. it is a recognition that certain countries that i think are pale beyond the rule of law hold people and subject them to long prison terms that are absolutely unfair and unwarranted. and maybe it is the fact i have a daughter, but i believed that if we could bring these young women home, we should bring them home. it had nothing to do with our policy and you mention somebody who, if president obama, you know, walked on water, he would say he couldn't swim. it is just not -- it is not something that i think is relevant to what we're trying to do. >> speaking of hard negotiations, the unusual circumstances of your becoming secretary of state -- >> unusual is an understated way of saying it. >> no way around talking about the partnership or this relation

>> time will tell what exactly went on but i think ambassador john bolton was right it sets a dangerousrecedent. not only were the reporters in north korea taken captive and thankfully released with the help of former president clinton. you see students taken in iran. americans in iran being held against their will in that country and when you see a reward of the united states coming over to north korea and you will see the iranians watching that precedent be set, it is not a good one for us to be putting out to the world for tyrants to be able to get that kind of attention. we are happy with the way this has been resolved but hope it doesn't lead to further problems down the road. >> greg: i just can't imagine another option even though i agree with you, you don't negotiate with terrorists or tyrants. i wonder, north korea isn't really pulling the aol over anybody's eyes. doesn't iran think that just because north korea is going to get it they going to get it, too? they know that we are sick and tired of them anyway, right? >> they tend to work more closely than people realize. and whe

if john bolton had his way, these two women would still be in prison. we ought to take a moment here to say how exemplary bill clinton's behavior hash since his wife has been secretary of state. he's been totally supportive and he's been quiet pch he did something good for the country. i think people ought to have a higher level of respect for him after this trip and thank him for what he did. >> thank you for your insight. just ahead, one of charles man son's deadly followers and her unlikely supporter. . >>> and later, two birthdays at the white house. maybe this is one of the most important. new centrum silver ultra men's. a complete multivitamin for men over 50. it has antiodants and vitamin d... to support your prostate and colon. new centrum silver ultra men's. >>> just ahead, the manson killers then and now. they slaughtered seven people in crimes that stunned the nation. what are people saying today? >>> a bloodbath at a health club just outside of pittsburgh. police say five people are confirmed dead, including the gunman at the l.a. fit nness

ambassador john bolton, a fierce critic of talks with the north, charges -- it comes perilously closenegotiating with terrorists. what happens, bolton asks, if iran, believered to be holding three american hikers, asks for its own high-level visit? >> each situation has to be evaluated on its own merits. they all have their own peculiar circumstances. >> reporter: as the temporary diplomat wins kudos for bringing the journalists home, his full-time diplomat wife, secretary of state hillary clinton, returns to the unglamorous and difficult task of dealing with north korea. >> now we have to go back to the ongoing efforts to try to enlist the north koreans in discussions that the world wants to see them participate in. >> reporter: but one korea watcher says both clintons benefit from this mission to pyongyang. >> this does not undermine hillary clinton. with bill clinton being considered doing a great job, this helps hillary clinton in the long time. >> reporter: sending bill clinton as special envoy to north korea was not an idea that hillary clinton originated. u.s. officials say it

it was an incredibly joyful reunion, but john bolton, among the people who have been critical of this and questioning whether the administration should have sent anybody at all, dylan. >> the reason for that of course, there are many other american journalists who find themselves in foreign countries and ultimately in possession of foreign governments. we have some from "newsweek" for instance covering the lairanian elections who are currently in prison. what about the comment? >> i think it is easier when you're on the outside to say we shouldn't do this. it poses a risk to other journalists who could be taken hostage and held until they get a bill clinton involved. on the other hand, have you two journalists whom you can free. former president clinton did a typically stupendous job bringing them home. most of it was arranged ahead of time. that's what diplomacy is all about. north korea did get what it wanted which is the recognition, stature is raised, they are now playing on the international stage rather than being isolative which is where we went them to be because of their nucl

a man who once held your job, john bolton, says it came close to giving north korea propaganda victory of those photographs. are they close to negotiate ingwith terrorist snz. >> absolutely not. that's a ridiculous statement. we don't negotiate with paris, that's a responsibility of the united states, but this was a unique opportunity for the former president to obtain the release of two american women who have been held for many months. it would have been disgrace ful for the united states having verified that this was a real opportunity to obtain their release to leave them in captivity. it was a private humanitarian mission, it accomplished the release of these two women who were relieved and delighted to see them united with their families. it in no way changes our approach to north korea. >> he's a former president of the united states, and obviously his wife the secretary of state of the united states. he went over there with his former chief of staff and others working in the state house. did we gain anything from it? he spent more than three hours talking to kim jong-il, a man

bill: john bolton, former u.n.ambassador, said if you're going to do this and legitimatize this dictator who kidnapped these women, they are going to keep doing it, escalating it. what say you to that? >> i don't think anybody can judge this except, you know what i mean accurately, the parents, the families, the girls. it's easy to say that but at some point you're missing the point. you can get your kid home. bill: i agree. >> the only person who feels bad in this whole thing is biden because they got him playing freido sending him out to the back yard because he can open a beer bottle with his teeth and clinton can go over and play erol flynn. bill: i agree. you have to get the ladies back and protect american citizens as best as you can. cash for clunkers. it looks like it worked. it looks like the american auto industry got a little bump from this. what do you think? >> well, the foreign auto industry got a little bump. i think four of the top five cars were foreign models. listen, it's just -- i guess i'm happ