john brown, she'd not go wobbly, john, and this is my favorite. trouble with socialism she said is that they run out of other people's money. how important was margaret thatcher to great britain. >> she she turned it around anda single word for which people died, it was freedom. and from that freedom, against external aggression like the faulkland islands and the first gulf war. freedom from over bearing tax and the freedom from excessive regulation comes enterprise and we had fantastic enterprise, we had a debt repayment schedule in parliament thrilling and britain gained one of the most important things in life. its pride, again, and that's what reagan gave back to the united states. exactly the same. >> now, mr. daniel hannan, welcome to the "kudlow report," sir. i'm a great admirer. we were looking at numbers -- we don't have him yet. we will come back to you, john brown. if you look at the economic numbers, people like to talk about that. but actually we will put up a full screen chart, there was a thatcher boom. an absolute thatcher economic

. >> former uk parliament member john brown knew her well, joins me now. juxtaposition today. you think of everything going on right now and john, i dare say, it's like the flip of then. >> yes. i've been listening to your conversation with the last contributor and i think that things will go on in the present downhill way and either of two things occur. one is we get leadership like we had under margaret thatcher and president reagan with people who believed in fundamental principles, particularly the principle of freedom where they didn't just talk like most other politicians, they actually walked the walk and delivered. the other alternative is when the bond markets refuse to buy your debt as happened in europe and forced these governments and politicians to actually act. and the same thing will happen in europe and the united states if we still continue on the present downward path. >> but you think about it, that's what she was warning about, right? this growing state and in the face of that and not in the best environment, she led these very, very big -- some would call t

john brown, thank you., neil. >> neil: while the search for a suspect continues, details behind the deadly devices are now beginning to emerge. they're not pretty are you still sleeping? just wanted to check and make sure that we were on schedule. the first technology of its kind... mom and dad, i have great news. is now providing answers families need. siemens. answers. >> neil: you ever watch these guys who go through wreckage and sort of reassemble to try to find out what led -- i remember covering pan am flight 103 disaster and how they took pieces of metal and ultimately brought that whole thing back to moammar gadhafi and libya. remember that? just pieces of wreckage. as the investigation continues in boston, they're doing just that. and they're moving pretty fast. we turn right now to former chicago superintendent and former f.b.i. bomb technician, jody wise. what are they doing? what do they look for with each and every piece of twisted metal they goat their hands on? >> they're look for clues and i

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they called him a troublemaker and not even mention his name no more unless john brown. fed troublemaker, jesus christ. they called him a troublemaker. so when all the dust settled disfiguring good can do need to be called a troublemaker. wap back many people do deter me. i'm a troublemaker and i noticed a man in and i know who never giancarlo says eminem right in the fight to take the liquid to keep on clicking, so be it. the stronger i got. i came back from mexico city. it wasn't bad for me and her young son over there. i felt the pain because my son suffered, my wife suffered. all of my kids suffered. when you do shop up your kids and tell them to take her clothes and put it against the law and have your way think you lost your mind. you have to think about the fight goes on. i have to say my kids so when i leave here, my kids will know i still fight to make this a better earth. i threw it in the fireplace until my wife, get about the bad. because when you stand with justice, you loose your job. you lose hearing. you can't pay your electric bills, so you don't have he

this fire is really rolling >> and that it was necessary to strike back in, say, the fashion of john brownry. >> he had to know that there were children inhat building, and i just cannot imagine anybody committing that kind of act against another human being. >> at times he said he knew there was a daycare center there. at other times he appeared to avoid that.eath of the children was very uncomfortable for him. on one hand he sought to rationalize it. on the other hand, it was beyond rationalization, and even tim mcveigh knew that. but i think the first time he said -- he just looked at me a he said, "children also died at waco." he assigned almost all responsibility to himself. "i did this," "i did that." terry nichols helped me with this or that, but he played down the role of terry, played down the role of anyone else. i think he expected to be found guilty. >> we got him! >> he was not surprised by the return of the verdict finding him guilty, nor was he surprised that the jury voted death. as i recall, we simply exchanged some brief momentary remark and then the marshals took him out

of course, his words affected john brown. it affected the abolitionists in boston and so forth. and so when -- i had to pause for a long time. in fact, it took me three long days after elijah's birth before i actually named him elijah, after elijah lovejoy. it's a hard thing to name ur son after someone who was martyred. but i wanted to -- when i say my son's name, i wanted to remember that change is possible. that when you stand up and do the right thing and ask for something to be redesigned, that that's a noble and right thing. >> but here's what you're up against. the energy industry very easily got a loophole placed in federal legislation just a few years ago which exemptsracking from many of the country's major -- >> yes. >> -- environmental protection laws, including the safe drinking water act. is that correct? >> that's right. >> so what does that tell you? >> well, what it means is that it's an outlaw enterprise. that it has succeeded in exempting itself from our nation's foremost environmental laws so our federal government doesn't have much control or power over this

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john myers, welcome. >> good to be with you, joshua. >> how is governor brown doing so far? is he accomplishing the goals he set out to accomplish? >> i think so. jerry brown really had two goals, i would say, on this trade mission here to china. we're in shanghai. we're in the second of the city he is visiting. long term. he wants a long-term relationship with china. more economic trade. more investment. more partnerships. he signed formal agreement was the chinese on economic issues. the governor is looking for business deals to bring back home. one was announced about development of the oakland water fronts. $1.5 billion with the bay area group. he has those goals. i think he has been successful. i think jerry brown will measure this in the long term, not short-term and what kind of economic activity will increase between china and california. >> john, what does china have that california wants and vice versa? >> what china has is it has money to invest. obviously this is a country that is a world power and fared better in the economic downturns than most countries around

>> it was after john brown's raid. >> after john brown's raid. >> in 1859. >> no more at all. >> yeah. the maryland legislature, the day yarrow came in on june 4, 1752, the yabd legislature has taken up a bill to make it more difficult to get freed. man you mission is the process of getting freed. >> yes. >> they made it more difficult, but they still allowed it. there were various things that allowed it. but after john brown's raid on harper's ferry, the maryland legislature said we're just tired of this. nobody's going to get free anymore. and do you know what this family did? this family before the law took effect, they went down and got themselves freed. so everybody in western maryland, all blacks in western maryland that could were either buying their freedom of getting their owners to free them before the law took effect. and, of course, you know, so the humanity takes over these things sometimes. >> we need to let the -- >> request interesting if you reflect on it. it is possible then to reflect on john brown as a form of patriot. >> right. >> we have another question, so i wa

john? >> all right, pamela brown our thank you.rting for devens, massachusetts, about 40 miles west of boston where dzhokhar tsarnaev is currently in custody. thanks, pamela. we want to find out more now about that militant group that may have ties to tamerlan tsarnaev. cnn's nick paton walsh is live in moscow with details for us on this development. really breaking overnight, nick. >> absolutely. the early hours of sunday morning that this raid you're seeing, remarkably violent it appears, was aimed at trying to kill the man. let me wind back a little bit and explain to you why he's significant in the tsarnaev case. he is part of a militant group led by a man called abu dujen, a video of him was by tamerlan tsarnaev on his youtube channel. we don't know if the two men met but it's interesting that this man went. he links the video of him. a member of that militant group, his brother is reported, became the leader of that militant group once abu dujen was killed and i can show you some pictures of him killed in the early morning sp

john brown, former member of the british parliament served owrn thatcher.hank you, appreciate it. >> very sad, but thank you. connell: back to the present day issues in the united states, and the senate back in session today just in time for president obama's budget proposal set for wednesday, and joined in studio by jason riley. board member, good to see you as well. it'll be interesting to see how the week plays out, but looks if you watch what happened over the weekend, the liberals, people in president obama's camp are getting nervous about the budget proposal wanting no cuts. what do you think of all of this? >> well, the thinking is that the president's budget is an olive branch on entitlement reform to republicans, adjustment in the cost of living adjustments of social security, maybe save some money over time, the ten-year out budget productions. connell: when you say, "the thinking is," i'm betting you don't buy into it. >> that's right. bernie sanders, the vermont liberal slammed the proposal over the weekend, aarp doesn't like it, big labor doesn

so john brown joins us now and i would think we've had a lot of different views as we like to have onroughout the hour, charles payne thinks that stockman is over the top and others say he might be on to something. tell us. >> i have great sympathy for what he's saying and agree largely with what he's saying with one major exception and that is, he says that the people at the top of the fed there know what they're doing. i know they know very well what they're doing. connell: what do you mean by that? >> i think the fed is working and has been working for politicians for a long time. despite that he says it's not not working for them and globalist competition. if you look at what's happened, the 98% reduction in the value of the dollar since the fed opened doors in 1914 to today is an amazing thing. the 26% depreciation in the dollar in the last 10 years and so-called free market is manipulated. they openly admit manipulating interest rates in the bond markets, the stock markets, they opened short positions in precious metals all to distort the truth, publishing inflation figures as l

brown? just like john said, he is 75 years old. he will say what he thinks. he has this. he thinks this is the right idea. he feels he is getting prisoners out of there. san francisco has openings in the county jail. for once, san francisco has less crowded jail. there is a possibility to make movement on this. it is a good issue. it is an issue he has to confront. >> let's make it clear. let's not have any illusions. california prisons. the court standard or the governor's standard, we are still widely overcrowded. >> one of the most overcrowded prison systems, the second most in the country. >> we will keep an eye on it to see if he takes it to the supreme court. >>> moving on to gun control. congress is advancing bills for federal background checks and stronger laws for gun trafficking. california has some of the strictest in the country. what would new federal laws mean for us? >> not a lot most likely. we already have the background check -- universal background checks in california which goes further than what has been reached in a compromise in congress in the sena

brown is wrangling these days. during the trade mission to china, he is working to get them on board for climate change. the u.s. is a close expect. the report comments from john myers, political editor. >> jerry brown is no longer surging on the national stage. but it is clear that brown has kept an eye on the big picture. >> we are one world. we have one big problem and we all have to work on it. >> that problem he said is damage to the environment, both long term and immediate. nowhere is it more pressing than china. in city after city, the delegation saw firsthand the air pollution program that evokes images of los angeles in the 1960s and '70s. here wearing a mask outdoors is a fashion statement. global wind patterns is not just a threat to the chinese. >> we feel the impact of it eventually. i think there are opportunities for both sides to collaborate. >> in meetings with chinese officials, the governor found out what works. from tail pipe exhaust laws to air quality districts. >> they know our programs well. they have been studying. >> that may help explain the agreements on the visit that brown signed with chinese officials. four agreements in all. >>

and former assembly woman, i would be remiss if we didn't acknowledge our former mayor willie brown and john mayor who has been very supportive. thank you to them as well. i recognize our director, but i think it's important to recognize our board of directors who has been really instrumental in advising this project from a construction standpoint and community standpoint and i want to recognize our directors, art lloyd, gabriel metcalf, director of mta and john, we also have alternate member greg harper, a founding member of the board that will be participating more frequently. i want to thank everyone today. it's been a long process to get here. everyone involved in this project knows. thank you to everyone here. [ applause ] >> i for got to mention that our state senator mark leno has also presented a certificate of recognition to the transbay transit tower. it congratulations on the tower. on this occasion we mark an historic process that will transform san francisco as the 21st century hub. the city skyline creating thousands of jobs and stimulating local economic growth. congratulation

and former assembly woman, i would be remiss if we didn't acknowledge our former mayor willie brown and johnayor who has been very supportive. thank you to them as well. i recognize our director, but i think it's important to recognize our board of directors who has been really instrumental in advising this project from a construction standpoint and community standpoint and i want to recognize our directors, art lloyd, gabriel metcalf, director of mta and john, we also have alternate member greg harper, un

and if they don't, the rising graduation rates of recent years are likely to decline. >> brown: john's report was part of the "american graduate" project, a public media initiative funded by the corporation for public broadcasting. >> brown: next tonight, the changing nature of power and wielding it. ray suarez has our book conversation. >> suarez: in the 21st century, is the power that comes with running things-- governments, armies, religions-- all that it used to be? in "the end of power," moises naim of the carnegie endowment for international peace argues that power as we've understood it for a long time is both harder to use and to keep. he joins me now. governments are bigger than they've ever been, armies more powerful and about to project power more than they've ever been. banks also big enough to take down whole continents much less countries. how could power be harder to use? >> in each of those examples you have situations where -- that shows that size no longer matters as much. think about the taliban and the army they areacing the coalition army of some of the most modern

john? >> pamela brown, great work today.ms like we get a new piece of investigation about this case and this investigation. each day that passes in boston, it's more like normal here. more like things before the marathon. overnight, a real sign. crews were busy repainting the boston marathon finish line. traditionally, they do that within hours of the marathon, when all of the runners finish the race. this year, for obvious reasons, they waited. and that process was delayed about two weeks. that's a block from here. that happened last night after 10:00. >> so much happening overnight where you are. nice to have you there. thank you, john. >>> jason collins couldn't have been more clear. quote, i am a 34-year-old nba center. i am black. and i am gay. that revelation in a "sports illustrated" article, triggering huge support among fellow athletes and beyond that. collins tweeted, saying all of the support is truly inspirational. i am not walking it alone. collins is the first player in a major u.s. team sport to come out while