joining us now is the attorney who represents deborah ramirez in this matter, john clune. mr. clune, thank you very much for joining us this evening. i appreciate you making time for us. >> thank you, rachel. >> so you said publicly today that you have reached out to the senate judiciary committee, that there was an effort made to discuss how best to bring him this information that has been put forward by your client. can you tell us the status of those discussions or those negotiations? >> sure. so we've had a number of e-mail communications back and forth, and every time we try to set up a phone call with them, they end up pushing the phone call back. and then since i sent out that tweet about two hours ago, we had a phone call scheduled, and we called in for the phone call, and only the minority party showed for the phone call. >> so you received communication from the chairman or the chairman's staff, from the majority committee staff, but only democrats were on the call? >> that's correct. >> what do you make of that? that seems odd. >> you know, it's disturbing. they keep

thank you. >> thanks, anderson. >> what you just heard from john clune, that interview was taped right before we went on air, that no republican staffers were on tonight's conference call. we asked chairman grassley's office to respond. we received a chain of e-mails. this chain of e-mails here which goes back several days. got no direct answer to our question about no republicans being on the call. we have just been going through this while we were playing that interview and it seems like they're talking past each other. mike davis a number of times asks over the last several days mr. clune saying "before we discuss a phone call or any other next steps we need to have the following information. one, does ms. ramirez have any other evidence including other statements in addition to those that are contained in the new yorker article. and two, is ms. ramirez willing to provide her evidence including her testimony to committee investigators." they say they want that before they discuss having a call and repeatedly also mr. clune in response is basically saying in response to the first que

and with all that said, here's my conversation, which we recorded just before air time with john clune>> mr. clune, you heard what president trump said about your client. i'm wondering first of all what your reaction was to that today. >> well, it's obviously disappointing to have anybody taking an attack on your client. but i feel like the politicians are going to say what they want to say but it doesn't mean what debris disclosed is not true. >> what is the current status of any discussions or negotiations you've had with the senate judiciary committee? because as recently as a few hours ago chairman grassley said that ms. ramirez's legal team was just referring the committee to the "new yorker" article and giving no other comment. he also said and i'm quoting, "if ms. ramirez submits evidence and testimony to the senate judiciary committee which committee investigators have requested we can decide how to proceed." >> yeah, i don't know where the senator is getting that information from. we've had a number of e-mail communications with the committee so far, but the difficulty is he e

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we spoke to him a short time ago from missoula, montana. >> john clune, good morning. mr. clune, has, have you or your client heard from the s on ticans on the senate judiciary committee? a we've had a number of emails with republicans from the senate judiciary committee, but they've been refusing to speak with us beenhone. we had a call set up last night and called in for the call and o w only people who were there was the minority party. >> do they say why they don't want to talk to you on the phone? theyey, they say they want placetions in place before n ty'll talk with us on the phone. want us to send them all the sideraation that we have for their consideration before hey'll talk to us, for whatever reasons. ld and does your client want to ing to ? , youu know she would be willing know,stify. ut she wants us to be able to have this conversation about tat this is going to look like, nd if he process is going to be. if there's going to be an fbi investigation into what happened in her case. >> it seems very clear that re'se's not going to be an fbi investigation. nce ter

in a series of tweets jerd john clune said deborah ramirez only came forward after being contacted byan pharaoh and carefully working through her memories only to insure her accuracy. they have refused to meet all scheduled appointments. we've officially requested an fbi investigation and our client remains adamant that remains the appropriate venue for her to discuss her trauma. why won't the senate judiciary committee welcome that? he elaborated further while speaking to msnbc last night >> they won't talk to us. the majority party wouldn't speak to us. the demand that they keep making of us is give us every piece of information that you have now and then we can talk about scheduling a phone call and that's just not the kind of partisan game playing that our client deserves. that's not fair to her. i think that would be a real failure if they were not to open an fbi investigation. we've really had only one process for the background investigations into potential supreme court nominees for many, many years. trrs the only way that is actually not a partisan process is for the fbi toot

pam, i want to play for you something that john clune, deborah ramirez is second to kearney said today with i think it was on anderson cooper. let's watch. >> if there is no fbi investigation, and it was just a matter of submitting testimony and evidence to the senate judiciary committee, two committee investigators, that is not something you recommend to your client? >> i wouldn't recommend you do that, no. that kind of cross examination be a replacement for a meaningful investigation. >> laura: pam, you are a state attorney general. if you care about getting the facts out, it's a little late in the game to be entering third and fourth witnesses. your thoughts on what his concern is, though? >> at the 11th hour, it's ridiculous. as laura said, i've been a prosecutor since my early 20s. good try, jason, on a dearly due process. the rule of law is being unraveled if they get away with this. it's about the presumption of innocence. ramirez, there was nothing to even confirm her story. she can't even confirm that it's brett kavanaugh. this is a good man and thank goodness he has a strong

so here's what john clune, who represents deborah ramirez, just told anderson cooper. >> we finally had call scheduled for 7:00 eastern this evening. we got on the phone and only the minority party showed. so it feels like there's a lot of game playing going on right now by the majority party. we just want to be able to talk to them and find out what is it they're contemplating about how this will be investigated or how debbie can provide more information to the senate. >> this comes as president trump tries to discredit ramirez and the story she told "the new yorker" about kavanaugh. >> oh, gee, let's not make him a supreme court judge because of that? the second accuser has nothing. she thinks maybe it could have been him. maybe not. she admits that she was drunk. she admits time lapses. there are time lapses. this is a person, and this is a series of statements that's going to take one of the most talented, one of the greatest intellects from a judicial standpoint in our country, going to keep him off the united states supreme court. >> so cnn so far has not spoken to anyone who is w

john clune, the lawyer for debbie ramirez, tweeting this from debbie ramirez, quote, thinking of youne. they want us to feel alone and isolated, but i'm there, wrapping my arms around you, and i hope you feel the people of this nation wrapping their arms around all of us. holding you up in spirit. that from debbie ramirez. >> and once again, the more that this hearing becomes about that, about the movement of women who are sick and tired of men abusing, harassing, degrading them, the more beneficial this is to the democrats, to professor ford, to the debbie ramirezes of the world, and the more it's specifically about brett kavanaugh and the allegations against him, the more it's beneficial to kavanaugh. when president trump comes out and makes it about the movement, he hurts himself and he hurts brett kavanaugh. >> and i know you want to weigh in, senator, but the mood today with the me too movement is a lot different than it was in the early '90s. >> i get that. and i think what republicans believe is that democrats, for partisan and for political purposes, have weaponized the me to

but she is willing to talk to cohee th itartee e,willuting to do for h >> john clune, thanks for yourime this morning. >> thanks, george. christie, sunny hostin and, sunny, let me pick up. you've been fbveatsan hais tng necetssary as well. it appears it's not going to happen. >> yes. >> that's right and i think that's sort of the wrong way to go. but i do think that the right way to go is to have a former sex pimescurose examining these witnesses, not onr.n dlyd or fal you know how to deal with alleged victims sof l uathem. so think that is the right mov but i ha never sa knn ee, exami bi agent or a detective dued anf an >> chris, we've seen they've now juheduled a potential vote on kae dg be justice apkapovainnatmugenh. full fbi investigation. >> it's not judge kavanaugh's choice. it's not like they're going to him and asking would you like one or wouldn't you? that's the choice of the people who have to make this decision and make the vote. as far as the vote being scheduled from what i understand from the things senator grassley said publicly, you know, he's following order. three