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john barrett is a professor at saint j -- saint john's school of law. i want to start with congressman swalwell. this is a breaking news tonight. questions about what they did with the money. did they misspend over $100 million where people were paying to play. is this one of those pay to play schemes, where they pay the administration and the inaugural money to get something and they got something. >> best evidence today that donald trump presided over a criminal campaign, a criminal transition and continues to provide over a criminal presidency and this is someone who ran on promising to drain the swamp and the very hours that he was about to become president during all of these inaugural celebrations it looks like there was a pay to play scheme. now someone has already pled guilty connected to the republican party, a consultant pled guilty in august of this year for giving tickets to a ukrainian pro-russian oligarch. for the 2016 inauguration. >> let me ask you the obvious question because you're in the intelligence, why was some prorussian ukrainian to get into a dance at an inaugural party. >> that never happened at any prior inauguration. but when donald trump came on the scene, he injected into the american bloodstream russian influence. we never saw so many russians around presidential candidates. >> mika, this is what i thought about from the beginning. two things, russian, russia, russians everywhere and number two the treatment by russians of us as some country you could buy. the president could be bought. you can buy him and get to his nephew and get to somebody in the family. they treated us like we're an old romanov family running our country. it smells. >> absolutely. and you see the trump administration hung a for sale sign out on the campaign from the beginning when he is doing deals on the moscow tower which cohen was lying about and pled guilty to lying about, saying i want you to help me out with this deal in moscow and i'm still running for president and when he treats the trump foundation as his own personal checkbook, he wants to enrich his own pockets. this is about trump himself and that he is open for business. and he still is. >> well corruption is worldwide. we thought it wasn't here. throughout his fox news interview today, the president took every opportunity to deny anything wrong,ine when the questions were unrelated to campaign finance violations. let's listen. >> trump didn't violate finance -- michael cohen pled guilty to something -- >> it is not under campaign finance. number two, if it was, it is not even a violation. trump did nothing wrong. i did nothing wrong. the two campaign finances are not criminal. they are not criminal charges. i never directioned h-- i never directed him to do anything. i never directed him to do anything incorrect or wrong. >> what is your reaction to getting the number. still below 50 but 46 % approval. >> i think it is amazing because i only get bad stories. it is nonsense. it is campaign contributions, it is totally legal. look at stories one after another. they are all legal. the great lawyers that do that stuff are saying, there is nothing illegal. >> david, let me ask you about this. i know you're from florida but he seems like an upset new york cab driver in bad traffic in july and it is hot out and miserable andez scat per ated and blowing his arms in the air blaming everybody except himself and he looks like he wants to get out of the situation or is he fighting to stay in it. what is he up to. >> there is a statement that fish flop around before they expire and we're seeing this president is flailing and reaching for oxygen because he knows this investigation is right on his doorstep. and what i think the takeaway from that fox news interview is, the president clearly has been in close counsel with his attorneys. that is a relatively tight message saying i did not direct it even if it happened it was civil and not criminal and it is not a campaign finance violation. but the big picture here, chris, after this week, it is hard to foresee a scenario in which this president does not face impeachment proceedings. at least an impeachment investigation in 2019. we now have corroborating witnesses putting him in the room while a felony was being committed, a felony entered into judgment by a federal court. it is hard to see how a democratic congress could avoid having to approach an impeachment investigation on that matter, the cohen matter. >> on that moment, on that very point, professor, can the client blame his lawyer and se he did all of this, he set up this cover-up. he masqueraded these payments as something they are not, for mcdougal for a future articles, she's going to write hundreds of articles when it was a cover-up for catch and kill. all of this was done meticulously to cover up payments to help his campaign to shut up this story. did he blame that on his lawyer. >> i think that is the point, chris. if a clients asks a lawyer, look, i have a project and i want to abide by the law, and what are the lines and how do i navigate this, that is one type of client/lawyer conversation. what i'll remind you of, from new york, is another client of lawyer/client relation. you remember the corleone family. >> the peace time -- >> the conversations with don veto were conversations but looking to break the law and doing what they needed to do and that is what an investigation is digging into. >> so he can't blame his lawyer? >> it is not an automatic get out of trouble free card to be talking to a lawyer. a lawyer can be a crook and of course michael cohen is a crook. he pled guilty and he was sentenced yesterday. he's a serious crook. >> and this is a president, i human being who said my idea of a perfect attorney general is roy cohen. his new explanation for the illegal payments is the latest in a series of evolving denials that he and his spokesperson have issued over the last two years. in fact the first came four days before the 2016 election. speaking at the "national enquirer," that is the agreement with karen mcdougal, trump's spokesperson hope hicks told the "wall street journal," we have no knowledge of any of this. in april of this year, the president said that he didn't know about the payment to stormy daniels nor why it was made. >> did you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels? >> no. >> then why did michael cohen make that payment if it was -- >> you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> three weeks later, trump acknowledged that he did have a deal with daniels and that cohen was representing him in the deal. >> michael would represent me and represent me on some things. he represents me like with this crazy stormy daniels deal. he represented me. >> well then giuliani let it slip that they reimbursed cohen for stormy daniels. >> that was not campaign money. sorry i've giving you a fact that you don't know. it is not campaign money. no campaign finance violation. >> so they funneled it through the law firm. >> funneled through the law firm and the president repaid it. >> the next day giuliani suggested the payment had everything to do with suppressing a negative story -- catch this -- during the election. >> so you were -- you're saying that stephanie clifford made these allegations, told donald trump's lawyer, look i'm -- >> and denied them and said it wasn't true. however, imagine if that came out on october 15th, 2016 in the middle of the last debate with hillary clinton. >> that was mr. rogers trying to talk on sesame street there. a ridiculous conversation. but here you have giuliani stepping in it again saying it was his money and he was involved in the payments and he was right in the -- and the president said i don't know nothing. >> he lies because the truth absolutely kills him. but one other thing that the president said today, he said that michael cohen was just a low-level attorney who handled low-level matters which makes you wonder, were there bigger payoffs that other attorneys handled. were there bigger proj effec effects -- the projects with the russians. these were shady operators. i don't think the people care about the payoff but they care if he acted in a shadowy way and was that done with the foreign policy. >> and i'll get into more in this in the next segment and i think it is a big new york finance and media story and all about the "national enquirer" and the inaugural and moving into the media center of the world which is new york. this story is growing bigger. >> that is right. >> and the "wall street journal" is proving that by being all over the story now. >> that is right. and the danger for trump in it moving into new york is that even though when we talk about potential pardons and his protection from prosecution, that only applies to federal crimes. but some of the things are going to be violations of new york state law and what we've seen is the new york attorney general has already said she's going to be all over him -- >> does that ambition come from the job, by the way. i'm not saying anything against anybody, but it does seem new york is developing a taste for this scandal big time. >> it is where all of the stuff happened. >> let me go to professor on this. what do you make of that? because i just think the volume of this story is growing. the fact that it has become a finance story with the inaugural question. it has become a media story with "the national enquirer" owned politically by trump. the story gets bigger and bigger and it is not about russia only, almost a rico conversation, the congressman running a criminale criminalent -- a criminal enterprise. >> it involves buildings and campaigns and hush payments, all of that is cited here in new york and the southern district of new york, part of the justice department, not robert mueller, has its teeth in this. and isn't letting go. there is a lot of serious stuff here. so this is a big media and law enforcement story and soon a big congressional over sight story. >> is this a rico case? we have a leader -- a king pen of a whole operation and all of this going on involving the payments to the inaugural committee, apparently favors sought and pay-to-play and paying off the women with the affairs if you call it that. all of the russian connection and run by somebody. not a hidden hand but some hand is calling the shots. why is it all happening under donald trump? could this be a rico charge? would somebody like mueller be bold enough to do that? >> well, i don't know about mueller. i think it is the u.s. attorney's office and the acting u.s. attorney in the southern direct who is the point man on this. it could be a rico case. it could be various types of conspiracy charges with different objects, criminal objects of the conspiracy. it could be many different types of substantive crimes, money laundering, bribery, campaign finance, the things that we're glimpsing already. >> professor, please come back. professor jo professor john barrel. so congressman and thank you all. t"the national enquirer" paramed -- parent company has agreed to pay in coordination with the campaign. what does this do to the narrative and the interest to run in 2020. what can we expect from beto o'rourke or julianne castro to name a few. and as usual, trump spent air time on fox applauding himself on a wide range of topics such as his relationship with china, the gm plant closers and his search for a new chief of staff. finally, let me finish with the senate vote late today to condemn the saudi crown prince for his murder of journalist jamal khashoggi. a unanimous vote. he did it. we have to do something about it. this is "hardball," where the action is. 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>> absolutely. the world may be a tough place. they may not like the politics. we may have china, "brexit," you name it, lots of long and distinguished things in the headlines, hardly distinguished. one in 25 of people in the world use kimberly product every day. tissues, paper products t has a great dividend. it is solid. it respects its shareholders. if you play defense, go on the offense that is how you make money in time as an investor. stuart: keith, are you the guy that brought us a story in japan, they have such a low birth rate the sale of adult diapers exceeds baby diapers. you brought us that, didn't you? >> that was me. yes i did. the world is continuing to change. here is the thing, stuart, in the united states we'll flip-flop around 2030. so we may, believe it or not have the same situation here. stuart: merry christmas, everyone. keith, thank you very much, indeed, sir. we'll bear in mind the birth rate in america and japan. thank you very much, sir. see you again sir. >>> big hour coming up for you. you heard my i had tomorrow at the top of the hour i say the riots in france left a message for climate warriors all over the world. voters are not key paying more for energy to fix a future problem. more on that discussion coming up. >>> judge in texas striking down obamacare. i will ask the attorney general of indiana, what now for obamacare and health care? >>> crisis continues in venezuela. two million fled in the past three years. they're driven even more dire predictions for next year. we continue to ask, what is the endgame for venezuela? and you are watching the second hour of "varney & company." ♪ stuart: i could say the market coming back a little and it is a little. we were down over 200. now it is down 166. >>> look at jcpenney, any improvement there? no. foot traffic at its stores up 10% if you measure from black friday to decent the the 9th compared to last year. the stock is at $1.18. >>> jack-in-the-box is exploring a possible sale of the company. when you say that, the stock goes up. this morning jack-in-the-box up 6.25%. we have a federal judge in texas ruled obamacare is unconstitutional. several states joined that lawsuit, including indiana and we happen to have with us by great good fortune, the attorney general of great state of indiana, curtis hill with us this morning. mr. attorney general, welcome to the show. >> thank you, stuart. stuart: you won the suit. the affordable care act is unconstitutional. well now what? >> now what congress finally has an opportunity to do the right thing and work towards a solution not only provides adequate health care and sufficient health care that is affordable through a constitutional framework. the problem we had here was that obamacare was predicated on a tax, a tax penalty and back in 2012 we were all shocked that the supreme court found obamacare constitutional but the basis, the sole basis for that constitutional determination was it's a tax and congress has the authority to tax. well, last year, congress repealed the tax so that zeroed down the tax penalty in obamacare for the individual mandate. stuart: yep. >> that made the individual mandate unworkable from a congressional standpoint. they said so when they enacted this back in 2009, the federal judge agreed. we filed suit last february saying look, if the constitutionality of this act is based solely on the taxing authority of congress, and they're now is no longer a tax, then the individual mandate must fail. stuart: okay. >> that is what the court decided last friday. stuart: that means that the government cannot lay down the law say you have to cover this, this, and this and you must have coverage, that's gone? >> i certainly believe that people should have insurance. i think it's a smart move. stuart: right. >> but whether the government should require it, mandate it, that is entirely different matter. once the government starts doing that, you're getting into loss of choice, loss of options, higher costs. these are all the problems we're facing. we're not addressing policy what we did, we're addressing the rule of law. stuart: but you do have to have policy coming out of congress. what a mess you've got. >> congress has to lead. they? their opportunities in the past. first of all they gave us this the first place. when we had the opportunity to fix it within the last two years, how many folk west know campaigned on the concept they would fix obamacare. they would repeal and replace. nothing happened. >> it was a disaster. >> good news, attorney generals across the state, across the country, worked together determined there was opening here not for the purpose of trying to bump people from their coverage. that is not the objective. the objective what we need to do in the country has to be in principles of rule of law and the constitution. if we can do anything within that constitutional framework to provide sufficient coverage, and bottom line, solid care, then that is what we need to do. stuart: okay. here is my opinion. once the government gives something is, it cannot take it away. >> that -- stuart: what you got right now is enormous number of people have heavily subsidized health care, and tens of millions who get it for free. you've given, that you can't take that back. >> you can't take it back but be forced into a position with a provision that is unconstitutional. as it works through nothing will change as everyone noted. there is going to be appeals through the fifth circuit. ultimately this may go to the supreme court f that happens, we'll get a finality with regard to the constitutional provision f it is determined to be unconstitutional, something has to change. this is congress's opportunity. don't wait until we have a decision from the supreme court one way or the other. work on it now. determine a bipartisan solution, if it is going to have preexisting conditions, i think most americans are feeling very comfortable about the concept of preexisting conditions they didn't before, put it in. put it in is constitutionally sound way. stuart: bipartisan agreement in this country. >> there is an oxymoron. stuart: i won't go into that. mr. attorney general, thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you, stuart. stuart: much obliged. there is google, announcing, how about this, a billion dollar campus in manhattan, new york city. where is the fanfare? liz: no tax breaks about it. we're not seeing any word about tax breaks or the city to google. this is a major expansion on google's part. a billion dollars along the hudson river, the west village. double the amount of people working in google in the new york city area to 15,000. stuart: when you say campus, new structure and building in manhattan. >> they're building along the westside highway. they bought the chelsea market billion for 2.4 billion couple years ago. they have a whole city block down there. google owns it. this is the second high-tech company besides amazon investing in the new york city area. apple, all the tech companies, interesting phenomenon, they're buying real estate in the united states. apple is doing it. amazon is doing it. google is doing it. expanding outside of silicon valley. stuart: i want to know what did they get as far as tax breaks an incentives to build in manhattan? really. a great store though. thank you, liz. liz: sure. stuart: mexico setting up job fair for the migrants stuck in mexico? 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"all sites are green." all of which helps you do more than your customers thought possible. comcast business. beyond fast. stuart: price of gold creeping back to $1245 an ounce. 1. >>> brazil's embraer finalized the terms of the proposed deal, to sell 80% of commercial aviation business to boeing. boeing is up three bucks. embraer is up 4%. >>> here is intriguing story. put up netflix stock please. tailor swift, bruce springsteen, huge concert this is calendar year, both shows are available on netflix. what is that all about? >> liz: astonishing have tickets to see the springsteen show on netflix. i'm joking. basically the springsteen showing on broadway growth, already, more than $111 million. these are the two top grossing musical performances, taylor swift, $250 million. both available on netflix. stuart: they spent billions son content? this one caught my attention, "aquaman." movie made by warner brothers, subsidiary of at&t. it brought in $260 million on the foreign box office. >> this is interesting. they decided not to get end of year pack of films. transformers, coming out. they debuted in china. in early decent. already fast approaching a 300 million-dollar mark before it even opens in the u.s. it will open in north america. december 21st. so the numbers are very strong. with very a graphic now of what the average box office stats have been like in 2016 and 2017. december 2017. average box office, 1.6 billion. average last year, 1.7 billion. we could eclipse that in 2018. moral of the story. big superhero movies, seem to draw a lot of people in, more people are doing to the movies. stuart: more people may a lot more money on videogames. ashley: more people like the big chairs with big recliners. liz: unless you have people snoring. stuart: hand gesture from ashley stuart: i go to cinemas where you can order a drink if you want to. sit back with meal and a drink. ashley: i agree. stuart: big social media companies. they have become a tool for spreading misinformation for political gain. that is according to senate report. russia exploited networks in the past election. i want to know what that means for facebook and google. the stock is down. back in a moment. ♪ stuart: that is ashley for you. not mine. done it better for you than i have. liz: i have utter silence. i can't sing. stuart: i love this song. quiet on the set. we come back, we were down 250. now we're down 150. we'll take it. big tech names, used to be a few minutes ago, all down. pretty much the same. facebook, amazon down. apple is up. alphabet down. microsoft down. there you have it. best buy, i believe that stock is not at the loy of its calendar year. b-of-a says, downgraded, they're saying sell it on slowing tv and iphone sales. didn't know that. but best buy is down on that downgrade. a senate report finds russia used social networks to promote then candidate donald trump in the 2016 election. come in harvard law fellow, vivek wadhwa. you respond to this report from the senate. sounds like pretty daming stuff. >> stuart, whether governments do it is not called fake news, it is called propaganda. this is what they do. not only the russians that are doing it. it is also the iranians and also the north koreans and most of all the chinese this is what governments do against governments. the question we need to be asking, why is the tech industry doing all this surveillance and profiling and then, why are they making it available to anyone and everyone at practically no price? in other words giving this away, this information away for nothing. you can steal it from them at will. if you want to do advertising, you can buy it from them in rubles. this is what problem is over here. our own companies have weaponized social media. they're selling it to the lowest bidders. stuart: they're not going to get away with it forever, are they? >> i hope not. >> this is why it is good. government has become a a wear. this is not happening without you are being aware of it. just happened using russia in the elections as well as everyone else. they got caught. something has to be done about it for sure. stuart: i have this feeling of big brother. i said this many times on the program. i think you're in agreement with me, vivek. i have two items i would describe as big brotherrish. a new patent shows amazon may be trying to create a database of suspicious persons using facial recognition. that is a big problem for problem. >> it's a problem. and telling the it anyone that wants to buy it from them. scary. stuart: facebook looks for a patent that predict your destination before you get there. these are two items that stink of big brother right? >> i completely agree with you, my friend this is terrifying. this is the dark side of technology. there are no checks and balances on these companies. it is all about money, money to them. they will sell their souls in return for money. very worrisome. stuart: how do you stop this? facial-recognition technology, how do you stop a company from recognizing every person in the world, knowing exactly who they are and identifying them as they walk down the street or communicate with anybody else? what do you do about that? >> stuart, regulations are generally bad but regulations also needed in things like this. we need to basically tell these companies that they're not allowed to capture our information and store it and if they do, store it, and it gets stolen, they're going to pay heavy penalties for this. it will cost them billions of dollars. so you have to stop them by law. i mean we need protects. this is why we have the constitution. this is why we have laws to protect us. this is the basic human right we are entitled to our own privacy, that we're not, watching us everywhere we go. watching everything we do. next thing amazon wants boxes in our house they already do. alexa screens, they want to watch our conversations 24/7, predicting what we do, when they will do it, selling information to whoever wants it. this should not be allowed. this is good it is coming to the surface. it has been hag too long. there are no ways to stop this. we have to do it. stuart: vivek, you're our social media watcher. >> thank you. stuart: we have the united nations, they expect at least two million more venezuelans will flee their country next year, extra two million. mary anastasia o'grady, opinion columnist with "the wall street journal." you specialize in latin america. >> yes. stuart: deal with the thing about the russian bombers. they appeared in venezuela for couple days. they have withdrawn. what the devil is going on? >> those same bombers, tu-160s, can carry nuclear weapons were there in 2018. they were there again in 2014. now they came again. so i think that is very much of a signaling on the part of moscow to say and the kremlin to say, you know what? you come over here and put your nose into the ukraine, or crimea, we can be there. that is one problem. but the other problem is, russia actually is getting, gaining a foothold in the hemisphere. we're not doing anything about it. stuart: we have reports, of the continued disintegration within venezuela. i'm sure you can back this up. we have women forced to have babies on on on colombia side. when they are forced into colombia, they have to buy every kind of medical supply imaginable to take back into venezuela. these are constant stories we keep hearing. >> yeah. stuart: the regime is still in place. i come back to this every time i talk to you. >> but it's a full-blown military dictatorship. not that different from cuba. we have a lot more reporting on this than we do about the scarcities in cuba. it is very similar to the sense that the objective is not to fix the economy. the objective is not to end hyperinflation or change living standards. the objective is, look, we got a foothold here in south america. we are not giving it up. russia, iran and cuba are working together to insure that that stays. it is a military dictatorship. they don't care how many people leave. they want to maintain that territory in south america, it allows them to do all sorts of evil things on the continent, looking north. >> what is the endgame? there are three choices. some kind of a military action from the outside or inside. some kind of military action we're pretty violent. or somebody buys off the maduro government, gives them a bunch of passports to get out of dodge, go live in switzerland? >> i don't see that happening. i don't see outside intervention either. i think the best possibility of some change would come from the inside, either, you know, some kind of a coupe, a military uprising within, says, look we don't want people to live this way. i'm not holding out very high hope for that because, they said, cuba is 60 years, military dictatorship. stuart: that's right. >> iran since 1979. once you have this kind of mechanism set up and it is all about the military and maintaining the territory. they don't care how many people die or leave or live terrible lives, then you know, it is very hard to dislodge it. unless you have a war. i don't see the u.s. taking any action there. stuart: it goes on and on and on, doesn't it. what a dreadful thing. mary an stacia o'grady thank you very much. >> thank you, stuart. stuart: ash, welcome back, by the way. you spent a week over there. ashley: and nothing's changed. believe me. monumental political impasse no one can really predict how this is going to end. mrs. may is trying to sell a plan the eu will not change, which mps don't like and will never vote for. what are you left with? suggestions from tony blair and former prime minister john to go back to a second referendum. david cameron who created this mess, find out indicative votes of parliament find out which way the mps are leading? do they want norway-style brex sit. managed brex sit. or a clean break? all this is dancing around the critical issue, we voted for "brexit," how the heck do we do it. this is just the divorce deal. we haven't begun negotiating future relationship will look like. prime minister says she has to vote from whatever plan she san put together by january 21st. stuart: january 21st, okay. ashley: of next year. they're leaving march 29th. if they do go to second referendum, god forbid they have to push back the "brexit" date. stuart: that is the prime minister speaking live. ashley: i can tell you right now it will be a short speech. she got nothing. stuart: ash, good stuff. good to see you back. shakeup at the white house mick mulvaney named chief of staff, ryan zinke out. media painting this chaos in the white house. mercedes schlapp with us

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