guest: i like john kasich. caller: ok, fine. so when he pledged that he would support the republican candidate for president, he hosted the republican convention and he did not show up and support him. is that the kind of republicans, these 20% who do not like trump, is that what you stand for, going against your word? politics is about power and money. how many supreme court picks did john mccain get, or mitt romney? host: sarah longwell, go ahead. guest: i do not think politics is just about power and money. at all. i think it is about how people chooses to govern itself and what its values are. i think that -- i am not quite sure what the kasich point is. but, if we are against lying or not keeping our word, i would hold john kasich's record against donald trump's any day or twice on sunday. there were a lot of republicans that did not show up like ted cruz who got up and did not endorse donald trump. he just said, about your conscience. vote your conscience. because, all of these people including lindsey graham were saying t

shannon: former governor of ohio and pro-life supported john kasich addressing concerns about gop voters expansion of abortion access, why he is supporting biden anyway. let's talk about the impact on the coming election with other matters of faith intersecting politics, founder of hold the line and nfl tight end executive producer of the brand-new documentary divided parts of america, benjamin watson. i have seen the trailer. it comes out next week. we've been talking about it for more than a year. in a political discussion with people who are pro-life or pro-choice, think about others position on abortion and have a conversation. what are you hoping this documentary will accomplish? >> we have been working on it for a while. we are a very divided country, nothing new. the hope is to speak with people on both sides to get an understanding how we got here, where we are going and what happens if we don't change course. human dignity, sanctity of life, those things are important to all of us but very emotional topic. to give people an understanding, see people's humanity but have convictio

let's bring in our political commentators, david axelrod, van jones, and john kasich. you know, van, the president was given the chance to denounce white supremacy last night. once again, he didn't do that. what is his refusal to condemn hate tell you? >> well, it's terrifying people across the country. i've had people contacting me, people i haven't heard from for years, saying, you know, do you think that i should purchase a fire arm? what is going to happen? what does he mean? what does he mean, stand by. does that mean he is going to launch some kind of attack on election day? people are really terrified. and i think it is highly irresponsible for him to -- most people, anybody, the person silting next to you, you know, and the movie theater would be happy to denounce white supremacist, racist, nazis. that is not a hard thing. when you can't pass that test and that bar something is really wrong. >> you know, david, the president now says he doesn't know who the far right group is, the so-called proud boys. after telling them in his words to stand back and stand by.

. >> former ohio republican governor john kasich once shared the debate stage with the president so you know what it was like. i don't know if you even expected last night to evolve the way it did, but we're glad you're here. good morning to you. what exactly was the president's message last night? >> i -- i really don't know. i think what was going on was i think he wanted to rattle joe biden and make him look like he was not able to do the job, and i think joe biden held up pretty well and there were no missteps or miscues or anything else, but everything was lost in the back and forth. it was interesting to listen to joe biden today in his talk, and i think jim hit on something really important where he mentioned hope, and i think now you're going to see them begin to talk -- he's going to start talking about the hope for our country and the other thing he spent time was the issue of jobs and that's something the president has not been able to do and he's been distracted in many different ways and has not been focused on the jobs issue which is one of his strengths. so we've got to s

republican john kasich opened with a visual metaphor. it was subtle, see if you can spot it. >> america is at a crossroads. >> stephen: ( as trump ) "oh, i know that place. that's where i made a deal with that fiery red guy." kasich spoke of his long history with joe biden. >> i've known joe biden for 30 years. >> stephen: ( as kasich ) "and i will rely on that relationship when i ask him to pick me up from this field i've been abandoned in. joe cares. joe wants johnny k to come home." then it was time to talk about the hottest, sexiest issue of 2020: the post office! to kick it off, the party turned to a rising latina superstar in congress. no, not a.o.c., nevada senator catherine cortez-masto. >> this year, more americans than ever before are going to vote from rooms just like this. >> stephen: unless you live in new york. then your room will be half the size and your sink will be inside your stove for some reason. ( evie laughing ) they had a montage of the other democratic presidential nominees voicing their strong support of joe bid

joining us now, nearly five years later, cnn senior political commentator, former ohio governor john kasich endorsing joe biden. he's also author of "it's up to us: ten little ways we can bring about big change". governor kasich, if you were bringing advice to anybody debating president trump on a stage what would you advise? it is unlike any other debate opponent. >> you don't go into the gutter. you get down in the gutter and start throwing mud, you'll lose. you saw how the other guys did it, they had to drop out. you know, i never did it, i presented -- i took the high road, and i never thought you should take the low road to the highest office in the land and -- but there's two things that i think -- three things that i think joe biden has to be aware of, one -- when he debates. be aware of the camera. something i had to learn because the cameras are on you all the time and they watch every reaction you have. i think, number two, you have to finish your sentences strong, anderson. you can't, like, meander or wander around. you have to finish -- almost think about it with, like, an excla

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we cannot elect somebody who doesn't know how >>> joining us now cnn political commentator john kasichbringing about change. "governor kasich, if you were bringing advice to anybody debating president trump on a stage what would you advise? it is unlike any other debate opponent. >> you don't go into the gutter. you get down in the gutter and start throwing mud, you'll lose. you saw how the other guys did it, they had to drop out. i took the high road and you never thought you should take the low road to the highest office in the land. there's three things joe biden has to be aware of when he debates. be aware of the camera. that's something i had to learn because there are cameras on you all the time and they watch every reaction you have. number two, you have to finish your sentences strong, anderson. you can't meander or wander around. you have to finish, almost think about it with an exclamation point. i think that's really important. for joe biden it's a matter of stamina. we see a lot of senior citizens moving from trump towards biden. if he has a good performance and comes acros

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i am sitting here in a state where sherrod brown, a progressive democrat and john kasich, the former governor of the state of ohio both support john biden. it illustrates that joe biden, his coalition is very diverse and it is growing. >> it's important that you bring that up for other reasons. ohio is he. no republican has ever won the presidency without winning ohio. what are the chances that joe biden can win in ohio? polls that have the most rigor, the last two or three poles that i saw had joe biden up two points in ohio. that is a margin of error. emily: that was the dnc chair with our own david westin on balance of power. for more on what to expect tonight, we are joined by our clinical contributor who was also the campaign manager for john mccain. we are interested to hear what you are expecting tonight. president trump has a big tax story having broken in the last 48 hours. of course, the pandemic. joe biden didn't perform that well in the debates. what do you expect tonight? >> is interesting. this has been at a fever pitch for the last couple of days. saidd trump's team ha

the only active political figure who express their feelings about it is john kasich. >> jury present general found that his personal views did not affect any of his work. >> before his troubles. and, along with everybody else at the highest gefl wlevels. peter strzok served in the 101 airborne. and 22 years as agent in the united states. boy, does he know what actually happened the last time the russians did this to us in 2016? and per this book "compromise," he said the bottom line is twofo twofold. >> number one, yes, this is why this book is called compromise. the president of the united states is compromised by russia. strzok makes the case over the 400 pages that russia has leverage over him that causes him to act in russia's interests. number two, russia is back doing it again to reinstall him as president. we need to be better fighting at this time since last time we blew it. peter strzok joins us live, next. you will want to see this. i have been looking forward to this for months. looking forwardo this for months. tide power pods one up the cleaning power of liquid. can it o

i certainly disagree with john kasich on many issues.come together to defeat trump, and the day after biden is elected, we're going to have a serious debate about the future of this country, but it will be done within the framework of a democratic society. >> trevor: you've always been somebody who says i understand the pain of those who have lost their jobs, whose jobs have gone overseas and not seen their pay raise at the level it should, they've seen diminishing quality of life, they have been people to w.h.o. voted for trump because they said this man is speaking to me. they say bernie sanders sort of speaks to me as well. with that said, how do you think you would talk to a voter who didn't vote for trump or rather voted for obama and then for trump and says, you know what, bernie, i just want a better life, how would you speak to them to try to get them to change their vote? >> trevor, that is a great question, and there are millions of those people, and what i would say is i understand where you're coming from. i understand your d

wilson agree with john kasich that some issues like abortion are dwarfed by the need to remove donald trump from office? god help us if he does." guest: the need to remove donald trump is driven by a fantastic array of reasons. they include his continued mishandling of a virus that has killed 200,000 americans. they include the mishandling of the office of the president, turning it into a swamp of corruption, banality and nepotism. they include his bowing down to foreign dictators, thugs and immolating them on our streets. they include the fact that donald trump has been the most racially divisive president since woodrow wilson. and that is saying something. there are reasons and issues, and if you want to look at any single issue that you love or hate, to justified voting for donald trump, you are probably already going to vote for him. host: let's talk to michael, calling from stanford, connecticut. good morning. caller: good morning. good morning, rick. i'm pretty sure in april, i pretty much thought donald trump could end up with about 22% of the vote because of how much he got in

you know, i'm sitting in a state very sherrod brown, a progressive democrat, and john kasich, the formerernor of the state of ohio, both support joe biden. i bring that up because it really illustrates that joe biden -- the coalition is diverse and it is growing. >> it is important you bring that up. ohio is very key and presidential races, particularly for the republicans. no republican ever won the presidency without winning ohio. what are the chances he can win in ohio? what are you seeing? tom: the polls that have the most rigor -- the last three poles that were out that i saw had biden up two, which is a margin of error. >> tom perez speaking to our colleague, david westin. joining us now for more analysis and insight on what to expect in this first presidential debate is henrietta. great to have you with us. let's set the scene in terms of the top issues. china, foreign policy, the handling of the pandemic will be key as well as potentially the issue of trump's taxes as well. is the onus on either candidate tonight to have to deliver a real blowout performance? henrietta: if you lo

i think they're confused because many of their champions like mitt romney and john kasich had no personalityt all and so having a little personality and animating our values with a little bit of energy is a good thing, it's the stuff of winning and it's why in days i believe the country will elect donald trump and keep the good times rolling. >> and when you see the next generation you're obviously one of the leaders, you see people who really change their attitude and questions of trade and immigration, how we really need to think about workers. do you see that as being a widespread shift within the republican party that's going to be a lasting change? >> we have to reelect donald trump if we want the republican party to continue to embrace the america first values because of donald trump loses some of the establishment voices that are still in our party, still in our leadership, folks like liz cheney who would want to invade everywhere and invite everyone to our country would try to reassert themselves at the top of the party. so this is not just a definitional moment for america, it's a d

guest: i like john kasich. caller: ok, fine.when he pledged that he would support the republican candidate for president, he hosted the republican convention and he did not show up and support him. is that the kind of republicans, these 20% who do not like trump, is that what you stand for, going against your word? politics is about power and money. how many supreme court texted john mccain get, or mitt romney? host: go ahead. guest: i do not think politics is just about power and money. at all. i think it is about how people choose to govern itself and what its values are. i think that -- i am not quite sure what the kasich point is. lying ore are against not keeping our word, i would hold john kasich's record against donald trump's any day or twice on sunday. there were a lot of republicans that did not show up like ted cruz who got up and did not endorse donald trump. because, all of these people including lindsey graham were saying this guy is a con man, this guy is dishonest and will destroy the party. i think they were rig

abby phillip, ryan lizza, john kasich, appreciate it. >>> a new coronavirus vaccine is generating new data in early clinical trials. >>> and later, the kentucky attorney general says he'll comply with a judge's order to release audio from the grand jury probing the police shooting of breonna taylor. ben crump, an attorney for the taylor family, is standing by live. we'll discuss. stay with us. >>> take a look at this. live pictures coming in from inside the debate hall in cleveland, ohio, where joe biden and president trump will face off just hours from now. we'll get back to that in just a few moments. there's other breaking news we're following here. the coronavirus death toll in the united states is now closing in on 206,000 as nearly half the states are now reporting an increase in new cases. cnn's nick watt is joining us from los angeles. nick, the latest we're learning from some of the -- we're also learning some encouraging news about a potential treatment. not a vaccine. a therapeutic for the virus. what are we learning? >> that's right, wolf. this is regeneron's antibody cock

we're talking about the governor john kasich. thank you so much for joining us. and as you just heard, we're see seeing the president flouting his own government's guidance holding an indoor rally, masks completely optional. that was link odd to a surge of coronavirus cases. here's what the president said last night about the pandemic. listen to this. >> having a vaccine is good, but we're rounding the turn. florida is way town. texas is way down. arizona, governor has done a great job. >> dr. fauci disagrees with that assessment. at this point of the pandemic, do voters see him as out of touch? do they think people are buying into his habit of down playing it? 194,000 americans already have died over the past six months from coronavirus. that could go up, according to according to one model, to more than 400,000. it could double by january 1st. >> well, wolf, let me tell you that politically, it's come to my attention that our senior citizens are get iting very, ve nervous and very concerned about the virus. particularly you heard jeremy's heard of fauci talking

carly fiorina, john kasich, also former governor of ohio.se are people who have endorsed against donald trump. and former staffers for george w. bush, who have come out as a group and endorsed joe biden. george w. bush, himself has not done or said anything in that regard, it seems as though a lot of people for him, including colon powell, feel a certain way about donald trump and feel that way strongly enough that they've come out publicly and endorsed joe biden. this is not normal. yes, one or two, a handful, maybe. this is a laundry list of senior officials and senior staff. for them to do this and so public a manner, it is not normal. brianna. >> it is not. thank you so much. and still ahead, president trump defending russia again. in direct contrast to the word of his own fbi director. i'll be getting reaction from andrew mccabe next and we'll take you live to the white house, as soon as president's news conference begins there. when i was in high school, this was the theater i came to quite often. the support we've had over the last fe

he did, the only active political figure he expresses any positive feelings about appears to be john kasich. so kasich, he seems to like kasich, okay? what does that do for you? the inspector general found that his personal views didn't affect any of his work. but for his troubles and along with everybody else at the highest levels who fought the initial fight against what the russians did to help install trump as president four years ago, peter strzok, army artillery officer who served in the 101st airborne, 22-year fbi veteran, chief counterintelligence fbi agent in the united states, peter strzok is the one who has been drummed out of public service and vilified by the right and the president as if he was leading some sort of anti-trump cabal. and that's always been nonsense, but boy does he know what actually happened the last time the russians did this to us in 2016. and per this book, per "compromised," this new book that is just out from him, he says the bottom line is twofold. number one, yes, he says -- and this is why the book is called "compromised." he says, yes, the current pre

same thing for jeb bush, for marco rubio, for ted cruz, for john kasich, et cetera, et cetera.on't get down in the dirt with him. when you wrestle with a pig, the pig always wins. that's the saying. why not get down in the dirt with him? if he gets personal, why not get personal back? why not be the fighter that joe biden said he was going to be when it came to donald trump, the person who could go toe to toe with him? >> i think he's going to have to. i mean it doesn't mean you need to go to subterranean depths, but i think that's what people want to see. those swing voters, by the way, there's a lot of voters who have not checked into this race yet, and they have heard questions, is biden up to this, trump saying he's senile. so by being tough and taking on the bully and dominating the bully, not throughout the entire debate but when you have your chance, and then i think it will really help you with turnout. i think he needs to fight for the country. he needs to fight for the presidency. but what makes these debates so interesting, katy, is you can prepare all you want. thes

i do remember john kasich got lost on a dirt road, billie eilish sang on the spooky set from "riverdalers ) i think. despite the virtual setting, tammy baldwin did her best to get the audience involved. >> say it with me there at home, "a nation that builds back better." >> stephen: okay, i know the convention is over, but is it too late to punch up that slogan, maybe make it a jingle? ♪ i want my better back better back better back ribs ♪ no? all right. there were testimonials from a lot of republicans, like mike, from rhode island. >> this year's election is very important. >> stephen: "for the record, i don't have a suntan, i have been bobbing for calamari in a vat of marinara. hey, yang, where's my thousand bucks? i'm in deep with the calamari guy and i told him you'd float me. he's coming for my thumbs, he's going to bread 'em and fry 'em! seriously!" ( muffled laughter ) then julia introduced another former presidential candidate. >> say hi to mayor pete. >> stephen: hi! hi! hi, pete! over here! hey, pete, pete, pete! >> good evening. >> stephen: whew! buttigieg used his own life

and doug boyer is a restaurant owner who wrote in republican john kasich in 2016. what did you think of last night? in a few words, what to do think of president trump, what did you think of joe biden? >> i was disappointed, as i think many people were. i was hoping that at least one of them could woo me a little bit and i was thoroughly disappointed by the whole thing. >> martha: so catherine, just staying with you for a moment, is there anything that either one of these candidates could do to pull you to their side at this point? >> sure. i mean, i feel like i could keep an open mind all the way up until i walk into that voting booth. i was looking for biden last night to show me that he had the strength to physically carry out this job and i was also looking to hear some of his policies because i do -- i am conservative and unfortunately there was not a lot of substance to the debate last night and he seemed to be very tired by the middle of it, with slurred speech. i was looking for president trump to just tone things down a little bit and show that he could be

i mean, who cares what meg whitman and john kasich think?hey can't even get republicans to listen to them, right? kasich's speech looked like a commercial for td ameritrade "down this path is a lifetime of debt down this path is a secure retirement." outside of that, the convention americans, essential workers, and some of the party's most talented, rising stars so fox news was desperate to counter program it here's what sean hannity told his viewers last night >> it was boring. it was awkward it was disjointed. all you got was a temper tantrum, bumper sticker slogans about -- pretty much how much they hate donald trump, and behind the hatred of him is hatred of we smelly walmart shopper trump supporters >> seth: oh, we, sean? so you're one of the so-called smelly walmart shoppers when you're done with your million dollar cable news gig in manhattan? i'm sure you're swinging by the local walmart to pick up some grass seed and hair wax, maybe some kyle busch pajamas for the kids. please if your driver accidentally went by a walmart, you'd be

i want to go to former rub governor of ohio, john kasich.ways made a big deal about health care and the president has made repeated promises about health care again and again and again for more than three years and we don't have one, doesn't seem close to having one. one republican senator telling cnn, quote, it's bs. that may be a senator, but what about republican voters. do they care? >> well, first of all, they wanted a repeal health care for 20 million americans and they didn't have a replacement and still don't have a replacement. this takes me back to the days i was in congress and we had a big fight saying we need to have ideas. people said we don't need to put them out there because people will put them out there and criticize them. i said, no, no, no, we have to do that. they don't have a plan on k had. they don't have a plan on environment. they don't have much of a plan on race although the senator tried to put one together. they have no plan on debt. they have no plan on the difference between the rich and the poor. so, you migh

again, for me, it was john kasich on the floor of the house fighting against bill clinton's 1993 budgett an increase of taxes, working actually with the democrat, tim penny, saying, hey, listen, i know that "the new york times" and "the washington post" says we can never ballet budget, ban. let me show you how we can balance the budget sending more power and authority back to the states. kasich laid that out. everybody said he was crazy and then we got elected in 1994 and guess what, we balanced the budget with the thanks of john kasich, we balanced a budget four years in a row, the only time that's happened in a hundred years. that party is gone. what replaces that? >> well, it was a party based on principles and core values and basically donald trump has just hijacked the name republican, the label of being conservative. he hasn't hijacked the principles because he has none. so when we look forward, especially to younger conservatives, i actually think there is hope. i think after donald trump is out of office and the likes of jay and charlie and i are out there talking and writing ab

there are other republicans, john kasich, and certainly evangelical voters across the ideological divide view climate change in a different way than i think donald trump thinks they do. can you just talk a little bit more about what maybe -- and "the new york times" has written about this. donald trump is playing what he thinks republicans are. it is not a monolithic denial of climate change on the right. he's really, again, microtargeting a sliver of it. and a generational sliver, at that. >> nicole, inside the pentagon and inside the intelligence community, there is a consensus that climate change and its affects impact national security and if we're going to field capabilities or field troops to defend the united states, they're going to have to be aware of things like rising sea levels. obviously, the navy is very concerned about that. of migration flows, which affects the stability of certain partner nations in europe and the middle east and africa and across the world. so the fact that climate change is out there, i think, is undeniable by national security leaders. yes, there can

remember all those republicans that showed up at the convention, colin powell, people like that, and john kasichive voters. what they say is absolutely true. unless those progressives show up on november 3rd and vote for joe biden he is not going to win. so this was a goof because this has been played all over social media and, by the way, aoc is a person who said, in a normal place i wouldn't be in the same party as joe biden. so this is a real divide in the democrat party. they need turnout. they're not going to get it if joe biden continues this line. ashley: yeah. that divide is growing wider as we speak. next one for you, liz, joe biden refusing to talk about who he would nominate to fill the ginsburg's seat. he was asked about it by a local news reporter in wisconsin. here is how he responded. this is the full quote. it says, he says it is a legitimate question but let me tell you why i'm not going to answer that question, because, it will shift all the focus. that is what he wants. he never wants to talk about the issue at hand. he always tries to change the subject. he is the greatest no

wilson agree with john kasich that some issues like abortion are dwarfed by the need to remove donaldrom office? god help us if he does." guest: the need to remove donald trump is driven by a fantastic array of reasons. they include his continued mishandling of a virus that has killed 200,000 americans. they include the mishandling of the office of the president, turning it into a swamp of corruption, banality and nepotism. they include his bowing down to foreign dictators, thugs and immolating them on our streets. they include the fact that donald trump has been the most racially divisive president since woodrow wilson. and that is saying something. there are reasons and issues, and if you want to look at any single issue that you love or hate, to justified voting for donald trump, you are probably already going to vote for him. host: let's talk to michael, calling from stanford, connecticut. good morning. caller: good morning. good morning, rick. i'm pretty sure in april, i pretty much thought donald trump could end up with about 22% of the vote because of how much he got in the fir

i am sitting here in a state where sharon brown a progressive kasich, thed john former republican governorstate of ohio, both support joe biden. i bring that up because it really illustrates, the biden coalition is diverse and growing. very: as we know, ohio is key in presidential races, particularly for the republicans. no republican has won the presidency without ohio. what are the chances joe biden can win in ohio? there was a survey just today that had him down by seven points. what are you seeing? tom: the polls that have the most rigor have had this as a dead heat. the last two that i saw had biden up two. that is a margin of error, junkball race. l race. bal donald trump came into ohio multiple times and said there will never be a plant closure. those are not my words, those are donald trump's words. iters here in ohio remember was barack obama and joe biden who saved the auto industry. donald trump lied. you go to lordstown, ohio and ask the people who used to work at the chevy plant. remember donald told you not to sell your home? guess what? they have to sell their homes now. joe