back with the panel david, gloria and john king. do you think the president is right this is a lesson in internaliz internalized. i talked to john king and he said he believes it's less likely to happen again at the 11th hour, there maybe has been less sons learned. >> we'll see. we'll see. it's -- i don't know why we need people with training wheels around here to run the government. nonetheless, i am not at all convinced, to john's point, i think gloria would make the same argument, the tea party learned that lesson out of this. they didn't tice hard enough. we surrendered and had guys too weak and squishing on the team and we need better people. >> if they fizzle and fail in this year primary changes maybe you won't see as much next year. the heritage foundation that came up with the original massachusetts model and disputed and had the health care that mitt romney barred, that used to be the heritage foundation. vote no on this and we'll help you raise money for your primary opponent ifs you don't. if you vote yes on this we'll

john king is back with me. in a shutdown, part of the government is still funded.of the money is still flowing here. when you hit the debt ceiling, the money runs out. the treasury loses its ability to borrow money and keep the government going. we finance this economy. we finance it with borrowed money. it will have to rely on the $30 billion cash on hand in treasury coffers. the daily revenue fluctuates. the treasury will have to make tough decisions about what bills to pay and which ious it will have to issue. imagine, consider you want to make sure seniors get the social security checks. you pay out tens of billions to seniors. you want to pay out veterans benefits. that come due the month after the debt ceiling is hit. medicare and medicaid. crucial because of the lines of credit the banks have with the hospitals. that source of funding is important oxygen in the system. maybe people would not have to get their irs refunds. maybe you furlough more government workers in you had to. you certainly have to pay the interest on your bonds. that is non negotiable or

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. >> congressman, thanks so much for talking to us, we'll bring in john king in just a moment, but you told dana bash the white house meeting was very productive. you said quote took awhile to get there but we had a good conversation. what did you mean by that? >> it was a very useful discussion, and the first time we sat down in a frank and open way with 18 republican leaders from the house with the president, the vice president and secretary of treasury, secretary lew to talk about a path forward here, and it was a good dialogue. a dialogue about the debt ceiling and making sure that the full faith and credit of the united states of america is sound so we put a temporary extension on the debt ceiling. we talked also, i must say, about the budget and how we move forward, and covering big issues that are important to us. we had obviously chairman camp to talk about tax reform, we had -- we also had paul ryan there, congressman ryan to talk about budget issues. so we want to talk about entitlement reform, tax reform, things to jump start the government. that was on the table along with

joining me is john king. john king astonishing news, politicians paid to talk to each other are talking to each other. you're the man to talk to here. where is the deal in the devil of the detail going to get done do you think? >> that the a good question. i would say if. i would say if. there is indication from house republican sources and from the white house they do expect a deal and hopeful that by early in the new week, meaning working through the weekend, the government will reopen fully. when will it get done? the president said to house republicans he's more than willing to talk about tax reform and talk about social security and medicare but only after they reopen the government and to reopen the government, it the president's position they have to drop any notion of defunding or detailing obama care. so now, that is speaker boehner's task going back to the 30 members saying we need to do this. politically we're suffering. the question is how hard of a sell is that? that's the big challenge tonight,

joining me is john king. politicians paid to talk to each other are talking to each other. you're the man to talk to here. where is the deal in the devil of the detail going to get done do you think? >> that the a good question. i would say if. i would say if. there is indication from house republican sources and from the white house they do expect a deal and hopeful that by early in the new week, meaning working through the weekend, the government will reopen fully. when will it get done? the president said to house republicans he's more than willing to talk about tax reform and talk about social security and medicare but only after they reopen the government and to reopen the government, it the president's position they have to drop any notion of defunding or detailing obama care. so now, that is speaker boehner's task going back to the 30 members saying we need to do this. politically we're suffering. the question is how hard of a sell is that? that's the big challenge tonight, piers and then we get into m

john king is there in boston.f romney care, its author is speaking out in advance of the president's speech. mitt romney has released a statement. let me read this for everyone. had president obama actually learned the lessons of massachusetts health care, millions of americans would not lose the insurance they were promised they could keep. millions more would not see their premiums sky rocket and the installation of the program would not have been a frustrating embarrassment. so did romney care -- did it have such a bumpy rollout as well, john? >> i think it had a bumpy rollout. it had hitches and glitches, you might say. i think both democrats and republicans in massachusetts would agree it was not the size and scale of the scope of the problems we have seen with the president's. in part, perhaps because it's a government program, which is what romney was trying to make, do it state by state, not nationally. only 23 people signed up for romney care in the first month. so when the president now says we can't giv

our chief national correspondent john king takes a closer look. john?olf, some democrats are dreaming of the return of speaker pelosi in the wake of the government shutdown and debt ceiling debate. is that possible? could democrats do so well in 2014 that they change this map? the results after 2012, possible, yes. probable, that's a different question. let's look at some of the factors as we head into the midterm election season. the current balance of power, republicans with a 32 seat advantage in the house. three vacancies but assume the seats stay with the party that last held them. that means the democrats would need a gain of 17 seats to put the gavel back in democratic hands. there are some factors, no question, favoring the democrats right now. the shutdown damaged the republican brand. we see that in every poll. democrats say as a result, their fund-raising is way up in recent days and the tea party says it will challenge republican incumbents who voted yes. it's possible they could knock off some incumbents and make those districts more open t

with me now is our chief correspondent john king.n, i know you have been going through the latest polling numbers a cnn poll but you know about political strategy. what is going on right now inside the capitol? >> in the white house they are trying to decide when the president may negotiate or get involved. but as we watch the ping-pong play out, now that the republicans say they will appoint negotiators it's an effort to show they are trying. but the question is will democrats accept it. one of the reasons they are trying is that the speaker is not in such great standing with the american people. 48% of the people have an unfavorable view. but she the most powerful republican in the country and the key republican in washington at the moment. but only 5 -- 54% of republicans are favorable of him. americans say they don't want the shutdown but 56% of tea party supporters say they are okay if the government shuts down for a few days. but the most careful thing to watch is how john boehner tries to work out of this box. he doesn't want

john king, thank you.ou as well. >>> when we come back, failure after failure after failure. our own elizabeth cohen has been trying to get on to obama care websites for two weeks. she has an important new update we will share with you. >>> also, who is to blame if the country were to default on its national debt? the "crossfire" cohost newt gingrich and stephanie cutter are here in "the situation room" and will debate. when you're merging onto u.s. cover your ears... [ horns honk ] ...you want a truck that helps keep the outside out. [ horns honk ] chevy silverado delivers a quiet cabin that's second to nobody in its class. and by nobody, i mean ram and ford. put silverado to the test at the silverado vs. all event. [ male announcer ] just announced, trade up to the all-new silverado all star for this introductory offer of $3,250 total value. see your local chevy dealer today. >>> a lot of americans keep on trying to log on to that obama care website, but with no luck. we will show you what they have been

john king shows us where the opinion polls are right now. >> it can get confusing watching the political ping pong between house and senate but there are some simple truths to the shutdown debate. a big majority of americans do not want a shutdown to happen. nearly 7 in 10 say it would be a bad thing to shut the government down for a few days. only 27% say that would be a good thing. on the defining question, is it more important to shut down government or continue the fight some republicans want over spending and the president's health care law? 6 in 10 americans say avoid the government shutdown rather than blocking the president's health care law. but these are national numbers. it's important to look at local politics in all this. because 30 or so house republicans, most conservative house republicans, driving this debate. a handful of the most conservative senators driving this debate. they think they're on safe ground at home because among tea party supporters, 56% say it would be a good thing to shut down the government. so those people say the people back home back them. who are

. >>> john king joins me and gloria borger and david gurrigan. he thinks sort of the idea of this doomsday scenario about not raising the debt is made up or overstated. >> well, anderson, you got a little support from moodies that issued a report saying they thought we could pay our debts, even if we go into default we could pay our bond holders, but overwhelming sentiment from all the big banks, from the ceos, from manufacturers, from economists, from the international communities, you don't want to go down that path. it's extraordinarily dangerous. you already put a gun to the president's head and now you're putting a gun to the country's head. it's playing russian roulette and the congressman king can say whatever he wants but the vast majority of people who really understand this issue are warning seriously do not allow this country to go into default. it could have very, very calamitous consequences and throw a lot of people out of work. >> david, you do see signs of a real breakthrough from what the president said yesterday about a short-te

cnn's chief national correspondent john king is here joining us from boston, of course, to break it allhn, we could talk baseball. i hope we can use some kind of baseball analogy in this whole thing. what did we learn in 3 1/2 hours of testimony yesterday from kathleen sebelius do you think? >> we learned number one that the republicans just feel emboldened, kate. chris used the term pinata, i think rightly so. they just kept coming at her and coming at her and coming at her. as she traveled the country last week, she was saying we didn't have enough time and republicans trying to keep defund the program. yesterday she said i'm sorry, i'm responsible. we're going to get it right. you say is it enough? it won't be enough if we start every morning with you saying the staff tried to logon to the website and the website still has problems. you have to go through this to turn the page. you can't start rebuilding confidence until you take accountability and responsibility. in that light, potentially a page turner but underline potentially. >> they know that, especially in today's partisan env

let's talk more about this with john king, joining us from d.c. about the deal and what is left to overcome. john, a statement we often hear from john boehner seems to be popping into my mind when he says nothing is agreed to until everything is agreed to. the details are what matter in trying to get this over the finish line. the contours of what we're seeing come out, what is in this for democrats, what is in this for republicans that then kae like? >> speaker boehner, he's not committed to the backing of the senate deal. let's remember at 7:05, there's talk of a deal but there is no deal. if the deal is outlined by jim acosta, let's start with the democrats. what's in it for them? they get the government re-opened pretty quickly and the debt ceiling extended for a couple months. the house republicans, they believe there are very few concessions, major concessions anyway to the republicans in here. which brings you to the question what's in it for republicans? that is the more complicated question. if you're speaker boehner, the republicans on th

let's bring in john king. john, we're listening to representative king.ren't paying the price everyone else is. his response, i'm not saying yes to a deal in the next 36 hours. 36 hours? how does that change the game? >> chris, it's actually interesting this morning. again, believe it when you see it. i'll say that one more time. believe it when you see it. there is fresh optimism this morning. i'm told they're working on the legislative language of the senate deal and hope to announce that before noon. then they also are hearing they may get a message from the house, legislative goobl didbbl. i was having an e-mail exchange with a top senate aide and said a vote, he believes will come no later than friday. the house representatives, steve king among them, would not let boehner go forward with his plan. they said they would have felt obligated to vote yes if it was a republican proposal in the house. now they are saying they expect senate boehner to bring it to the floor. that's this morning. the fresh optimism that perhaps this could all be resolved by t

that money is locked up, as john king mentioned awhile ago, in 401(k)s and in different mutual fundsin the circumstances we're describing here, if that comes to pass, all of those savings could lose substantial value. wolf, that is why some analysts who are most concerned about this say this would not be just about d.c. but it could be about you. >> yeah. not a pretty picture. tom foreman, thank you. coming up, they hold trillions of dollars in u.s. debt. now china and japan, other countries are warning the united states to get its act together and avoid a default. the spillover could be enormous. >>> and what do republicans really want to prevent a u.s. debt default? we'll have a debate between two members of congress, both of whom are standing by live. stay with us. hihing, helicopters buzzing, and truck engine humming. sfx: birds chirping sfx: birds chirping ♪ hooking up the country whelping business run ♪ ♪ trains! they haul everything, safely and on time. ♪ tracks! they connect the factories built along the lines. and that means jobs, lots of people, making lots and lots of thin

john king announced he wants to get rid of several standardized tests. >> he said the first mandatedto go will be an 8th grade math test. king has been hearing complaints from angry parents who claim their students were being overtested. he said, quote . . . and new york is not alone. take see at. >> the emphasis and overuse of testing is exhausting and a terrible use of resources. >> reporter: last march the teachers staged the first standardized test protest. >> when we stood up against the math test, we didn't plan it, but we had amazing support from our parents. >> reporter: it's a nationwide fight. the highest known opt out rate is on new york's long island, a that's where 50% of students chose not to take standardized tests. richelle carey, al jazeera. ♪ >>> michael eaves is here with sports, and has a story that really has become all too common. >> when future hall of famer brett favre turned down the st. louis ram's offer to come out of retirement, he sited the physical toll on his body, and said he suffered memory lost since his playing days ends. >>> in baseball multiple me

john king is here, gloria borger, will cain, nile gardiner. what, half an hour or so ago? >> that's right. >> he is running late. that's not unusual. obviously, stuff happens over at the white house. we anticipate fairly soon he will be speaking. >> keep in mind the white house is just getting back up to ramming speed. they had a good chunk of their workforce furloughed during the extent of this crisis. what we can tell you about this event that will get started here in a few moments is that all of the people seated in that room, according to the small pool of reporters in that room where the president will be, are federal workers, are white house workers who have been on the job throughout this ordeal. i think that's a signal that he will thank toes workers for their hard work during this crisis. we expect him to extend the olive branch down pennsylvania avenue, call for compromise on big budget issues that he, himself, has said he wants to get his hands dirty dealing with. he wants to deal with entitlement spending and taking a look at obama

bring in john king, gloria borger and david gurrigan.you making of what you heard today. >> we are getting mixed information and prfrom a leadin source, we're nearing a solution but nothing will be filed tonight. >> okay. >> which means you start the clock tomorrow, if they have a deal, which is still after. they have been talking optimistically and took the pause to see if the house could bail into the rescue. let's assume the senate done is filed tomorrow. the question is we assume because on notice ted cruz and a couple tea parties allies, do they find a way around that or have a two or three-day period to debate that. you don't know what will happen. >> if that is the case then, there is no way the deadline can be met. >> it is -- i think it is almost impossible to see a scenario under which they make the deadline. that doesn't mean they don't have a deal they are working on and maybe gives some comfort. jack lew does have a little wiggle room. >> you're talking two, three more days. >> unless somebody finds a way to pull a rabbit ou

john king is here, gloria borger, will cain, nile gardiner.art, what, half an hour or so ago? >> that's right. >> he is running late. that's not unusual. obviously, stuff happens over at the white house. we anticipate fairly soon he will be speaking. >> keep in mind the white house is just getting back up to ramming speed. they had a good chunk of their workforce furloughed during the extent of this crisis. what

>> joe johns, thanks so much for that. >>> i'm back here with cnn's chief national correspondent john kingabout this. the focus has been on john boehner throughout this fight. he's been in an unenviable position many would say. the last couple days, a lot of folks are saying he was a dead man walking. when you hear conservatives coming out yesterday, he seems stronger than before. what's going on? >> he's strong an stronger than people expected coming out of this. is he stronger than before? put a big question mark under that and watch as we go forward into the next couple of months of what will a budget deal look like, what will be the spending cuts be? let's do immigration reform, this one is done. the tea party was just told we're not going to change obama care, now you'll do a path to citizenship. john boehner's job does not get any easier. >> in-fighting is not new. it normally happens behind closed doors in the house republican congress meetings. is this the new strategy or reality for john boehner going forward? let the different factions of his party fight it out in public? >> this

joining me on the panele panel, start with chief national correspondent john king who is in washington. john, it is remarkable. this president time and time again said if you like the insurance you have, you can keep it. it will not change. it will not go away. now it seems like that is technically not true. not even technically not true, not true for some 15 million americans because the kind of insurance that they have, which is a very basic form of insurance, does not meet the new requirements under the affordable care act and therefore has to be replaced. >> and so, anderson, web site has been a political problem the administration says will go away and all will be fine. this is much more of a personal policy problem. back when the president was saying those things it was kind of like an ad for a new drug. the flowers and roses and nice soft music and everything's promised it will be great. then at the end they kind of m mumble everything might not be perfect. the administration says of course there would be changes but most people would get to keep these. now that this is real, no

chief correspondent john king joins us with the latest, what is the latest? is there anything meaningful on the latest? >> not anything meaningful, there are proposals but not anything getting it to the finish line. a lot of rhetoric, but not a lot of talk toward it. the president did say, speaker boehner, bring toward a clean bill to reopen the government, if you will. and we were doing counting at cnn, there are about 200 democrats for that. 214 republicans for that. that would leave them some votes shy, but anderson, that would be an experiment to democracy the country wants to see. but the speaker controls the calendar and the floor, and he is not ready to bring anything forth. they're insisting if it is about the government they get something for the health care bill, if it is about spending, they get something about spending, and for like. >> and we heard about the back pay when the shutdown ends could hit a snag in the senate? >> it did hit a snag in the senate, you could expect something like maybe 92 to 94, but again, it is the lack of trust and good

. >> that is john king. if anything is going to get washington's attention, it could be what happens on wall street tomorrow morning at 9:30. allison kosik is in new york. allis allison, what is the market expected to do tomorrow? >> you will see the market react it anything coming out of washington. you will see wall street react to the rhetoric out of washington. if there is no indication there's a deal in place, you will see a sharp turn to the down side. now this is after a lot of optimism running through wall street. from wednesday to friday. you saw the dow make up all of its losses that it had since the government shut down and back on october 1st. you can quickly see those gains turn into losses and then some. if the market perceives there isn't a deal on the table. this is serious because although many believe that lawmakers are not that -- they are not going to let the debt ceiling deadline come and go without some sort of solution, there is preparation being made. at least in the mind-set. because

john king is standing by in boston for us.the scene for what the president hopes to achieve today. >> well, wolf, what he hopes to achieve first and foremost and most of all, i should say, is to urge people to lift their heads, and he'll say, essentially, look out at the horizon, the obama care rollout seems to be a mess, but the point he is trying to make is a year from now, things will be different. we're getting people who didn't have coverage coverage. we're expanding for people who did have coverage. and while he will take accountable for the mess, and tell people be patient, things will get better, in the end, this law will be good for you. republicans, ov, disagree. and he will cite the rollout of romney care, or the massachusetts health care plan where only 123 people, according to the statistics, signed up the first month. now it covers more than 95% of the citizens of massachusetts. it has broad bipartisan support among the people of massachusetts and among the politicians. but this is a tough challenge for the presi

our chief national correspondent john king at the magic wall. break it down for us what we're looking at over the next two election cycles presumably for the gop right now. >> you have the internal fight in the republican party and then you have the parallel universe between the president of the united states and his republican critics, especially the most conservative tea party members of the house. we watched this play out both sides, the president and house republicans saying we are representing the american people. here's what the president thinks. this is a little more than a year ago when the president won re-election, he was a constitutional law professor. he think thes the question of obama care is asked and answered because mitt romney promised to repeal it. look, the president won big. so the president says i won this debate. it should have been over. but house republicans especially the most conservative house republicans, look where they live. they live in red america. this is county by county across the united states in the presiden