the grim discovery prompted this question of pentagon spokesman admiral john kirby. aren't these aircraft supposed to be guarded at all time? >> certainly that will all be part of the investigation, looking at security implications here for how a young man could get inside the wheel well of an air force aircraft. >> reporter: the flight originated in the african nation of senegal, flew east, stopping in mauly and chad, then north to tunisia and sicily, before returning to its home base in germany. the pentagon says security at some of those airfields is not up to american standards, but that would seem to be all the more reason to guard the plane while it was on the ground. j.b. >> brown: thank you, david. as americans, we owe an awful lot to someone. a new study out today says 24% of us are so far behind in our debt, they've been turned over to a collection agency. here's anthony mason. >> did that cause you to lose your job? >> reporter: at the consumer credit counseling service in dallas, the phones are confantly busy. that's where aneat awho asked us not to revea

that was the pentagon press secretary john kirby answering questions about the downing of mh-17. joining us, a few guests to help us make sense of the latest events. lester holt, weekend anchor of n"nbc nightly news" and someone who has, for better or worse, extensively covered airline disaster. also john cox, msnbc aviation analyst and pilot and general barry mccaffrey, msnbc military analyst. thank you for joining us. lester, i wanted to start with you. we know so far we have three americans who we are sending. one ntsb, two from the fbi. what will the role of the americans be in this investigation? >> the ntsb role is a bit odd. normally they would go with a go team and they'd look at every factor from survivablity to what actions the pilot, the health of the airplane, all those sorts of things. the real question is to confirm it was shot down and if possible find out by who. fbi will contribute to that, but from that point of view, it's a different kind of investigation. they can look at shrapnel patterns on the aircraft. i would bet that some of the video that's already come

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john kirby said the recials probably couldn't have operated on their own. >> it's strange to think it could be used by separatists without some measure of russian support and tech kale rinse. >> reporter: the assistance could range from training rebel missile crews in russia up to a russian personnel actually conduct ago launch that brought down the plane. earlier in the fighting the rebels proved they could shoot down lower flying transport planes and helicopters but never anything flying as high as an airliner. u.s. intelligence had known the rebels were undergoing anti-aircraft training in russia but they did not know they had somehow gotten their hands on a system as capable as the sa-11. >> pelley: david martin at the pentagon. david, thank you. flight 17 was enroute from amsterdam to kuala lumpur. in both cities, relatives are grieving for the loved ones they lost. nearly two-thirds of the victims were dutch, dozens more malaysian. the victims came from at least eleven countries and at least one was born in the united states. here's jim axelrod. >> reporter: born to two dutch na

taped telephone conversation between the separatist is authentic made while pentagon spokesperson john kirby said russia continues to move artillery and other heavy weapons across the border into the hands of the rebel separatists. catherine has our report. >> tonight as senior government official says the crash scene is now under the control of the ukrainian government no assets american have attempted to go there saying that it is under the control of the russian government also we were told that this position on the crash scene at the time the president made his first public statement on sars. >> that shot was taken on the territory controlled by the russian separatists but we need to make sure that we don't get out ahead of the facts spinnaker the evidence growing the president struck a cautious tone on mh-17 to resisted sending out for vladimir putin is government. >> russia, the separatist in ukraine all have the capacity to put an end to the fighting. >> by contrast the united nations struck up more serious tone and russia can end the war in russia must end the war. >> ask about the c

after that, the pentagon briefing with rear admiral john kirby. president obama says the fbi and the national transportation safety board are on their way to ukraine to help determine what brought down the malaysian jetliner with 298 people aboard, including an american. the president is calling for an immediate cease-fire in the area and says the evidence so far indicates the malaysia airlines flight 17 was shot down by a surface to air missile from a part of ukraine controlled by russian backed separatists. he also spoke about the current israeli-palestinian conflict. after his remarks, the president also took questions. this is about 20 minutes. >> good morning, everybody. yesterday, malaysian airlines flight mh 17 took off from amsterdam. and was shot down over the ukraine-russian border. nearly 300 innocent lives were taken, men, women, children, infants, who had nothing to do with the crisis in ukraine. their deaths are an outrage of unspeakable proportions. we know at least one american citizen, quinn lucas schansman, was killed. yesterday,

we will take you live to the pentagon to hear from john kirby. that will be live here on c-span. tonight, a look at the technological advances and consumer drones and their applications with both business and everyday use. it includes innovators and developers, including remarks by chris anderson. >> three projects launched, one kickstart her. things where these you are biking or skiing or running or whatever and the drone just stays 30 feedback and keeps the camera focused on you and gets that perfect cinematic hollywood feel. that is exactly what the two generation wants. it is incredibly complex artificial intelligence using recognition and then creatively trying to figure out what the ipo angle is looking at the sun and shadows. it was science fiction a few years ago. him this was the droid you were looking for. him this was just this weekend. one of them just raised a half million dollars in a day. that was just today. him tomorrow, this mapping function we are talking about, it is this notion of construction given construction is arguably the number two industry in the worl

. >> admiral john kirby saying unclear who was pulling the finger, but the finger is pointed in the separatist or russians and they had a know how to operate the buk missile system. or if it was the russian operators and military that kirby said are driven by moscow. >> and nonloathal aid. and it will take months. night vision and goggles that they are pleading to get to fight the pro russian separatist. >> and in the meantime, many mourning the loss of friends and family today. in ukraine a tribute to the victims set up in the dutch embassy. the dutch suffering the largest loss of life. and they join us with the latest. >> hi, jenna, the tragedy is piles upon tragedy and the infants who died and the aids researchers traveling across the world to a conference and then the dutch who have nothing to do with the conflict and suffered the largest number of casulties in the crash. 189 people. and we saw members of the dutch royal family signing a condolence book for the victims and they are gathering in the amsterdam airport where the airline came from. for loved ones of tragedies it is important t

john kirby tells fox news they said that bergdahl is under no restrictions as the army conducts the investigations to why bergdahl wandered off base in afghanistan five years ago. >> as you know he returned to full duty last week. i know the investigation into his departure will continue. it will include an interview with him. i don't know if that occurred yet. >> in 2009 he walked off the base. the taliban captured him and kept him for five years. the us traded five guantanamo bay leaders in exchange for bergdahl. he under went 6 weeks of therapy and counseling before returning to active duty this week. a spokesperson says investigators have not yet questioned bergdahl. that is expected to happen sometime in the near future. >> another fox news alert to bring you. police arresting 53-year-old james lacroix after they found him in ted kennedy jr.'s kitchen. he checked in on his 16-year-old son who was alone in the house. the suspect answered the telephone. police believe that lacroix was inside the house for three hours. he got in through an unlocked door. when officers asked what he was doing th

pentagon says it's not sure about that point yet, but what the pentagon press secretary admiral john kirby said today was in his words, it's strange credit you'llity to think the separatists could have done this all on their own. they get the training, the advice, help from the russians. this is a very complicated system to operate. not likely they did it by themselves. >> thank you so. the ukrainians also say they've intercepted phone calls between russian forces and rebels in ukraine talking about moving the kind of weaponry believed to have brought down this passenger jet, that buk missile system across the border before the crash. let's take a listen to that audio. [ speaking foreign language ] >> let's bring in congressman peter king, a member of the homeland security committee and a chairman of the subcommittee on counter-terrorism and intelligence. he's a republican everyone new york state. congressman king, this information comes directly from the ukrainian government. obviously, they've been fighting these rebels. obviously, they are against what they allege russia is doing in sup

the pentagon press secretary, john kirby said it strains credulity the rebels could have fired this missileithout russia help. so someone from russia not just sending the missiles across the border and low and bow hold the rebels use it, but the russians holding their hand in effect as they fire this as i say sill at the plane. sha man samantha power said something similar today. the u.s. has moved a bit more slowly than the ukrainians in terms of pointing the finger at russia. we're 24 hours after this crash, and they're saying some pretty definitive things, accusatory things, about russia's involvement. >> with your sources in this part of the world, jim sciutto, phenomenal job covering this tragic story. thank you so much. >> thank you. >>> coming up next, we look at the weapon that u.s. officials believe took down mh 47b 17. we were just talking to jim about the buk missile system. furthermore, what kind of training, how sophisticated training do you need to operate this? and this is available on the black market? we'll discuss. humans. even when we cross our "ts" and dot our "i's", we

pentagon spokesman admiral john kirby saying "it's strange credit you'llity that rebels could have launched the missile that brought down this jet without russian help," resulting in as the president said a tragedy of unspeakable typhoon. >> 24 thundershowers after flight 17 slammed into the ground, international observers just arriving at the crash scene today in rebel-controlled territory. where they were they were far from welcome. >> we were greeted almost with hostility. so it wasn't a visit that was done under the best conditions and we hope to continue again tomorrow. >> reporter: as world leaders demand an international investigation -- the u.s. is already methodically piecing together who was responsible. today u.s. officials confirm the missile came from within eastern ukraine, most likely fired by pro-russian rebels. and they went further saying the rebels almost certainly would have needed russian help to fire the missiles. >> a group of separatists can't shoot down military transport planes or they claim shoot down fighter jets with that sophisticated equipment and training. an

something that the pentagon press secretary rear admiral -- sorry, pentagon press secretary said, john kirbyy. >> we see no hint that russian support for the separatists has ceased. in fact, we believe that russia continues to provide them with heavy weapons and other military equipment, financing as well and they continue to allow these russian fighters to enter ukraine freely. >> so months of sanctions, months of warnings, get out, get out, get out, and thursday, more sanctions. what makes anyone believe that putin will man up? >> i think the world has to rise up and say we've had enough of this. i think europe has to come together. i think germany in particular has to lead. i think we have to continue with sanctions. it's difficult because you need help in so many things, the p5 plus 1, syria, taken goes and it goes on and on and a lot of our energy is tied up in russia, but you cannot let this kind of thing happen.and on and a lot o is tied up in russia, but you cannot let this kind of thing happen. and russia continues to prepare it for the next strike-down of a civilian plane. there ar

. >> it's impossible to wrestle the podium away from john kirby. i don't think you have heard me say we will break the momentum. >> actually the admiral did. >> that's my problem. the issue has been us for us to determine the ability of the i.s.f. to be able to stabilize the situation and eventually go back on the offensive to regain their side of the territory and what we would be willing to contribute to that cause and that's not a question we are prepared to answer just yet. you mentioned the airport and you mentioned our intentions, remember the phrase i used is that we were protecting that which would allow us to preserve options. the airport, not the entire airport but for that part we need for supply and potentially for evacuation, we are protecting that part of the airport for that purpose. it is about deliberately first preserving options and then developing options and if you are asking, will the iraqis at some point be able to go back on the offensive to recapture the part of iraq that they've lost, i think that is a really broad campaig

now, according to the pentagon spokesman rear admiral john kirby, the separatists could not have done this without a big assist from the russians. >> there's been incursions across the border by russian aircraft. so i mean, i think we have -- we don't have any reason to suspect that they haven't provided some measure of support on the other side of that border. i mean, these paramilitary forces that we don't talk about as much anymore certainly didn't act or behave like some ragtag milit militia. >> in fact, u.s. military officials are telling us that it's not clear yet. and even when the president spoke at the white house today in the briefing room and talked to reporters, it's not clear exactly who was responsible. and there is a deep suspicion that some russian military, in fact, may have been at the controls of that missile system when it shot down the malaysian jetliner. they're not saying that's the case, but they have a strong suspicion it was, and they're digging through all available intelligence to try to figure that out, josh. >> and jim, you've done some reporting also men

pentagon spokesperson rear admiral john kirby says that secretary hagel has been briefed on the malaysian plane crash -- "we do not have any indications of what brought it down," adding, "we cannot confirm it was shot down." that is the question that the markets are asking right now. was this a deliberate act as a result of the fighting in the region, which is why, kayla, to your point, the faa did not want u.s. commercial jets in that area. the white house press secretary has now just said, "i can confirm that president putin near the end of this morning's phone call with president obama noted the early reports of a downed passenger jet near the russia/ukraine border." so we now have conversation that the presidents of both russia and the united states have spoken. this was a prearranged phone call in which president obama warned president putin there would be even more sanctions in addition to the ones announced last night before this incident happened if russia did not do more to calm the situation on the border with ukraine. so once again, those are the latest things we have related t

. >> rear admiral john kirby speaks to the press in the pentagon about the malaysian airlines flight area this is 30 minutes. >> before i take your questions, just a couple of comments. first of all about flight 17. as you know, this morning the secretary spoke with malaysian defense minister and offered his deepest condolences. our thoughts and prayers are with everyone affected by this tragedy. the secretary reiterated that united states is prepared to assist in an international investigation. we agreed that investigation must be edible, transparent and unimpeded. all parties within the vicinity of the crash site, russians, pro-russian separatists, and ukrainians must agree to an immediate cease-fire which is the only way to ensure integrity of the evidence. international investigators must begin given the time and space to do their jobs. clearly, as the president noted a short while ago, we see strong evidence that malaysian air lights light 17 was written by a surface to air missile at an altitude of 33,000 feet. this incident obviously occurred in the context of a conflict fuele

after that, the pentagon briefing with rear admiral john kirby. president obama says the fbi and the national

admiral john kirby. >> the decent was an adolescent black male possibly of african origin. the aircraft had just returned from supporting africa command operations with stops in a few countries. at this pointing it is unknown where or when the deceased swrd the landing gear wheel well. >> reporter: the flight originated in senegal flew east, stopping in mali and chad then north before returning to its home base in germany at the end of an eight-day journey. the pentagon said security at some of those airfields is not up to american standards, which raised the question -- >> aren't these aircraft supposed to be guarded at all times? >> well i think certainly that will all be part of the investigation. they're looking at security implications here for how a young man could get inside the wheel well of an air force aircraft. >> reporter: this appears to be the story of a young man desperately trying to escape to a better life. but what if he had been a terrorist loaded with explosives? suddenly that scenario doesn't seem so far-fetched. charlie. >> david thanks. >>> american m

that was said on the floor of the un security counsel by the ambassador, the pentagon spokesman john kirbyng a step forward saying it would strain for those rebels to fire this without russian help. they don't have it yet. they don't have evidence they have russian advisors but at least raising hard questions and suggesting that they would have at least needed some help to make this happen. >> are things any clearer today as to exactly where the weapons may have come from? you and i talked about this earlier today because yesterday, there had been a report that perhaps they had been taken from a ukraine military base months ago in crimea and then there was also one person who said today or unofficial telling cnn they came from russia. >> this is the working theory of u.s. officials, that the weapons came across the boarder, the missile launcher came across the boarder from russia. yesterday officials said they knew, there were pictures up on the internet that the rebels had somehow captured one of these at a ukrainian base and might have somehow gotten it to eastern ukraine. it's not estab

. >> now admiral john kirby speaks about the malaysian airlines flight. this is 30 minutes. >> good afternoon, everybody. before i take your questions, just a couple of comments. first about malaysia airlines flight 17. as you know, this morning the secretary spoke with the malaysian defense minister, who offered his deepest condolences and those of all the men and women of the department of defense for those who l loved ones aboard flight 17. our thoughts and prayers are with everyone affected by this secretary. the secretary reat rated that the united states is prepared to assist in an investigation, and they agreed that the investigation must be credible, transparent, and unimpeded. all parties in the vicinity of the crash site, russian, pro-russian separatists, and ukrainian must agree to an immediate cease-fire, which is the only way to ensure safe and unfettered access for investigators. the integrity of all the potential evidence and, of course, the recovery remains. we are still collecting the facts and international investigators need to be given

take you live to the pentagon for the briefing with john kirby. >> we will use it for something else. announcements.ck secretary hagel wants to congratulate michelle howard for moted today to full admiral. it is a milestone in her exemplary career. also a milestone for the united states navy as she becomes the first four-star african-american female admiral. duties -- it'sr a job of immense responsibility. the secretaries eager to seeer get in the seat and get to work. i can confirm that that is why i'm not able to start the trans-shipment of the material. out a, we just sent statement from secretary regarding the government of japan state policy -- japan's new policy. he welcomes the government's new policy which will enable the japan self-defense forces to engage in a wide range of .perations and make ou lastly, since i won't let you watch the soccer game, i'm pretty sure you will have questions about members of people -- numbers of people in iraq. i want to walk you through what we are doing here and how. we will start going through. as we get through this, it's important -- there

[inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> earlier today, rear admiral john kirby held a briefing at the pentagon on the malaysian airliner shot down over the ukraine. he said he saw strong evidence that the plane was hit by a surface-to-air missile. here is more. >> this morning secretary spoke with malaysian defense minister and offered his deepest condolences and those of all the men and women at the department of defense for all those of -- aboard the flight and those affected by this tragic -- tragedy. they've secretary reiterated the united states is prepared to assist to and they agreed the investigation must be credible, transparent, and and indeed. all parties in the vicinity of the crash site, russian, pro- russian separatists, and ukrainian must agree to an immediate ceasefire, the only way to ensure safe and unfettered access for international investigators. still collecting taxes. international investigators need to be given time and space to do their job. clearly as the president noted a short while ago, we see strong evidence that malaysian airlines flight

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pentagon press secretary rear admiral john kirby will brief reporters on a number of issues including the decision to send an additional 300 military advisers to iraq to secure the airport and the u.s. embassy in baghdad. that'll be live on c-span, again, starting at two p.m. eastern. tonight at eight, a look at consumer drones taking your picture, cleaning the outsides of high-rise buildings, just a few of the tasks being performed in a rapidly-expanding industry. smartphone technologies is leading to the creation of smaller and cheaper drones. the churchill club in california is recently, has recently hosted a discussion on the future of the technology, and here's a quick review. >> well, this weekend three follow me projects launched. follow me is one of these things where the drone follows you. you're biking, you're skiing, you're running, whatever, and the drone just stays back, 30 feet back and 30 feet up, and keeps the camera focused on you and gets that kind of perfect cinematic, hollywood view. that's, you know, on one level that's, you know, that is, you know, exactly what t

. >> well, you know, it's impossible to wrestle the podium away from john kirby. [laughter] i don't think you've ever heard me say that we would break the momentum. >> actually, admirable kirky did. >> well, you know, that's my problem, so -- [laughter] the issue has been for us to determine the ability of the i.s.f., after having suffered some initial setbacks to be able to stabilize the situation and eventually go back on the offensive to regain their sovereign territory and what will he be willing to contribute to that cause? and that's not a question that we're prepared to answer just yet. in terms of -- you know, you mentioned the airport and you mentioned our intentions. remember, the phrase i used was we are protecting that which would allow us to preserve options. in the airport, not the entire airport, but that part of it that we need for logistics resupply and potentially for evacuation, we are protecting that part of the airport for that purpose. it really business deliberately first preserving options, and then developing options. and if you're asking

were held in ukraineon with the plane incident, one that took place at the defense department, john kirby reiterated statements from the president about military solutions. saying that no military solution was being considered. [video clip] >> the president has been very clear that there will not be a u.s. military solution for the crisis in ukraine. what we have been doing has been efforts to bolster and reinforce and support our nato allies in the region to look for ways to improve our operability and capability to demonstrate our commitment to article five of the nato treaty. that is what you will continue to see us do. there is no effort right now, no to have antention u.s. military solution to the crisis inside ukraine. the ukrainians have asked for various items of military systems. some nonlethal, some lethal. the focus of our efforts to date has been providing nonlethal assistance. we have also said that we continually review those requests. it's a constant process of taking a look at what ukraine needs and what the united states is willing to provide. right now, focus remains on

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