>> the vote for mike huckabee is a vote for john mccain. >> a vote for huckabee is a vote for mccain. a vote for mike huckabee is a vote more john mccain. >> stephen: a vote for huckabee is a vote for mccain. but we all know that i'm huckabee's running mate. therefore,... ( cheers and applause ) a vote for huckabee is a vote for me. ( cheers and applause ) and if a vote for huckabee is a vote for me and a vote for huckabee is a vote for mccain, by the transtiff property of huckabee, i am john mccain. ( cheers and applause ) i am the leader. republican party. i am the frontrunner. i'm in it, baby. i'm in it to win it. not only that, evidently i'm a war hero. i've got to tell you, it feels pretty good. i thought it would be harder than this. but evidently you don't have to pay dues. i will tell you personally what i think is the best part of me and john mccain both being john mccain is have you seen our wife? . come on. jimmy? be with you in just one minute. now, of course ultimately all of this is owed to the fact that because i gave him the colbert bump, i made mike huckabee. and at t

in the john mccain stood up and it was game, set, match. it is over.ick cheney against john mccain and colin powell let's call it off. >> they have a quibble or dispute over whether any valuable intelligence was gained through these enhanced interrogation techniques but his 30 thing else that the cia is disputing? >> that is the main dispute is they claim these techniques yielded no -- valuable intelligence but after reading the report and going through the footnotes a lot of their own officials in the field dispute that. and the report does a thorough job of tearing apart that assertion. >> one of the key issues it seems to me here is the claims and senator feinstein was very aggressive in making some claims particularly about general hayden. the web of the notion that there was a lot of deception. that were -- there were allies systematically and taken to the white house and congress on the american people. how much information within the report is also new and puts the cia on the defensive in terms of justifying what it did in that area? rex you are

more now with senator john mccain. asked him about the congressional budget deadline this upcoming thursday. >> on the budget issue i think we'll have a continuing resolution, everything but the homeland security part will be well into next year. what the agenda and i'm pretty well most of us are in agreement, show we can govern, pass legislation that reaches the president's desk even if he wes to it. for example, small example immediately we can do the xl pipeline, tax reform, we can do a lot of things working together because if we can show the american people we can govern, then i think we can elect a president in 2016 that's republican. >> so, is a government shutdown then off the table? >> as far as i'm concerned it's off the table. last time we turned away 600,000 visitors from our national parks, just one of the bad results from it. no. we cannot shut down the government. but we can rifle shot certain appropriations bills and that's the best way to approach it. we can do that. and there are many ways we can do t

john mccain.ive him the credibility. he knows of what he speaks. >> people just stopped and listened to this floor speech. there's not a lot of time when people stop and listen to the speeches in the house, but in the senate as well. people stopped and listened. he's the moral authority on this. and i think what struck everybody as they listened to this, is how partisan it's been since the report was released, an issue that nobody wanted to be partisan in the first place. and john mccain comes out and rises above everything else. i think that added some clarity to an issue that's become divisive in a way that i don't think people wanted it to be. john mccain was the one who rose above. >> just to flip the coin to the other side, dick cheney has been speaking out about the senate report. here he is on fox, disputing its key findings. >> we're going to find out. we've got khalid sheikh mohammed, the mastermind of 9/11, who's killed 3,000 americans, and he is in our possession. we know he's the archi

and like john mccain said, it's about us. when we torture detainees, which contributes our values, it makes our foreign policy aims quite frankly more difficult to achieve. >> president bush yesterday called the members of the cia patriots, and those talked about in the report patriots, so what do your colleagues say about this tonight? >> well, certainly, anybody who works in the intelligence community is a patriot. they love their country and they want to do right by it, and keep it safe. that's beyond reproach. i know what senator fienstein said in the forward of this report, look, context senior important. in this situation, we had a heightened swarm situation, and a tragic terrorist attack that killed 3,000 americans, and those in intelligence wanted to prevent another. she offered that as not excuse, but in context, and yes, the people in the tremendous community wanted to do everything to prevent another attack. so the existence of this report is not to scold those working in the national security arena, but look, with

the real issue here is john mccain really hit it on the head. are we a country that will condone the torture. it is inconsistent with the values and our history. we put japanese soldiers on trial for war crimes for waterboarding. the second question is, does it work? what i came to this committee late, i wasn't involved in the early investigation. i joined in 13. i looked at this with fresh eyes. one of the most influential things to me as i decided and wrestled with whether or not to release the report which by the way, there risks. it really came down to the input i got from former interrogators from the military and the cia who said it doesn't work. there is no proof and it's a propeganta bonanza for the enemies. ultimately i guess the final point is all of this firm storm in the last few days that you have seen from people that have said it worked, it wasn't really torture. we needed it to catch bin laden. that underlines the experience of releasing this report. if we don't get this out there and have this conversation, it will happen again.

. >> schieffer: we'll hear from all sides including senator john mccain who was tortured while prisoner in vietnam. republican senator saxby chambliss says endangers american lives, independent senator angus king who supports its release and house intelligence committee mike rogers on the report's long term impact. and as always, analysis from an all-star panel. 60 years of news because this is "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning, reading the cia report and its details of waterboarding and even more ghastly practices was not for the timid or feint of heart. and republican senator john mcdatabase who was a prisoner of war for five and half years in vietnam brings a unique perspective also author of new book "13 soldiers" personal history of americans at war. senator, welcome to the broadcast. let me just begin by asking you the question that troubles me the most about this, highway is it that reasonable people so many reasonable people could come to such opposite conclusions about this report and what it brought to light. what do you make of that? >> i make of it

a few years earlier i was writing about john mccain and we went to see the arizona diamondbacks. late in the game i asked where he would leak -- least like to live. for some reason i ask people list and see for some reason than to. ballgame, we have been narrow while. a while. i would hate to live in milwaukee. and he seems to think nothing of it, and i didn't either. i have a lot of space to fill. a bunch of bullet points at the end. in the course of the last five innings angling these things. things. it was very, okay, why not. to be a public actor is to be trapped by persona. the clintons know this better than most. an addendum the public arena. i i wouldn't say was a big issue for him. wisconsin was a swing estate. one of the things for a lot of the questions have been about the writing process talking like to human beings profile john mccain talking for hours on end. it was an amazing thing at the time. david foster wallace wrote john mccain unlike any politician i have seen approximate what normal a normal person would be like. what was interesting is what happened to john

defender of our military and an extreme defender of our intelligence community, but today, senator john mccain welcomed the release of this report and thanked the democrats on the intelligence committee for their work. senator mccain obviously has first hand knowledge of the effects of torture because his study of practices that i believe not only failed their purpose to secure actionable intelligence to prevent further attacks on the u.s. and our allies, but actually damaged our security interests as well as our reputation as a force of good in the world. >> i believe the american people have a right, indeed responsibility, to know what was done in their name. >> senator john mccain. president obama stopped the torture of detainees after he was elected and earlier today the president put out a statement. for the next few minutes i'm going to read it to you in its entirety. throughout our history the united states of america has done more than any other nation to stand up for freedom, democracy, and the inherit dignity of human rights of people around the world, the president writes. as americ

>> the vote for mike huckabee is a vote for john mccain. >> a vote for huckabee is a vote for mccain.ote for mike huckabee is a vote more john mccain. >> stephen: a vote for huckabee is a vote for mccain. but we all know that i'm huckabee's running mate. therefore,... ( cheers and applause ) a vote for huckabee is a vote for me. ( cheers and applause ) and if a vote for huckabee is a vote for me and a vote for huckabee is a vote for mccain, by the transtiff property of huckabee, i am john mccain. ( cheers and applause )

she got the backing of john mccain. but john brennan, issues a statement strongly disagreeing.ot the other republicans on the intelligence committee saying this is a disaster. john kerry concerned about u.s. diplomats and their security right now. there seem to be so many conflicting messages out there coming from these folks here in washington. >> look. and, wolf, why shouldn't there be. this is the most sweeping condemnation of the central intelligence agency in over 40 years. and what it shows when you lift the veil is what was very often a rogue operation, disagreement in the cia whether what they were doing was appropriate or even worked, deception at all levels, including to congress and perhaps to the president of the united states. and i think that there's got to be conflict over whether this should be released, particularly if you're sitting at the cia. these people are not going to be prosecuted. leon panetta saw to that. but if you're sitting at the a cia, it's like a scab has been removed. and there are people there who are trying to do their jobs under difficult ci

. >> schieffer: john mccain says it should be out, many other republicans including you say no. some democrats say it should have been released, how is it that so many good people, there are good people on both sides of this, people on the senate intelligence committee i've known nearly all of them for years. i wouldn't question any of them's character. yet they come to absolutely opposite conclusions about the facts in this report. >> good people in this town can disagree. i believe when you look at somebody who released bipartisan report, they are difficult to do in this town. this was not a bipartisan report. it was only done by democrats and democrats staff, methodology is being questioned, no interviews, not one person was interviewed for the report in their release of the report. i think that that does i think cloud people's judgment as this might not be the definitive report. think about this, now you have eu is talking about prosecutions of the people involved. united nations is talking about investigations and prosecutions. this i think was a very, very difficult time w

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we don't know how ash carter's relationship with john mccain is going to be. these hearings, it was unanimously confirmed for the earlier jobs but it's obviously going to be more gruelling right now given the differences over the war on isis. >> that's true. am though i suspect the confirmation hearings will follow what we saw from senator john mccain who will be the chair of the senate arms services committee in the new senate beginning in 2015 that is there will be a lot of affirmation of ashton carter's capabilities and criticism of the obama administration john mccain when our own barbara starr and then other reporters reported that ashton carter was likely to be the pick many republicans on capitol hill, senators, were asked about the pick and they said positive things although they said it would be tough for somebody like carter to deal with the micromanaging coming from the white house and they went into that line of criticism following that road to syria and other areas of disagreement. i think it's very, very likely based on what i heard from senate r

>> speaking of anthony vinnie and john mccain, john mccain had his finest hour when he went on to the senate floor and talked about this not being who we are. and i think anyone who read that report as i did this week has to really take note of what it says. it doesn't have recommendations and i am very disappointed that it was so partisan and that they did not speak to anyone in charge of the program, but the bottom line of that, which is this was an agency which somehow, some way, managed to get out of control. we had $81 million spend on psychologists who didn't know anything about psychology, torture, or the military. this is a bad showing and we've got to fix this. >> what is the pushback for those who say this report should not have been released? >> i will make that point. i'm against torture. i believe in the articles of the institution that says we don't torture and it gives us a moral authority and john mccain is the only member of the senate that has ever been tortured. but he basically was totally against it. he said it doesn't work. it doesn't work. we don't have torture

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one of the more eloquent responses to the torture report coming from republican senator john mccain. i know from personal experience, that the abuse of prisoners who will produce more bad than good intelligence. >> mccain survived torture himself in vietnam as a prisoner of war. what he said there on the floor in capitol hill coming up. plus, some lawmakers are livid. the report has even been made public. dad,thank you mom for said this oftprotecting my future.you. thank you for being my hero and my dad. military families are uniquely thankful for many things, the legacy of usaa auto insurance could be one of them. if you're a current or former military member or their family, get an auto insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life. and sometimes i struggle to sleep at night,nd. and stay awake during the day. this is called non-24, a circadian rhythm disorder that affects up to 70 percent of people who are totally blind. talk to your doctor about your symptoms and learn more by calling 844-824-2424. or visit your24info.com. don't let non-24 get in the way of y

yet, john mccain and others. so i think -- shannon: what we're seeing so far is democrats version of the report. there is a minority version that the republicans agree with. they didn't sign off on the overall report we've seen so far. >> the bottom line, the torture stopped as it should and certainly was debate whether we should have had torture. our constitution outlaws it. they wasn't ahead said it was legal. no longer in existence and should no longer be in existence but i think this report has done a long-term damage to the agency very important to us in war on terrorism, that is the cia. brennan has to stand up there, unprecedented for a c independednt a director to hold a press conference. i don't think it will basically benefit us. now we all know the gory details. we knew a lost facts before. it is not a pretty picture. we shouldn't do it again as john mccain said. only man in the senate cast tortured said it doesn't work. to a certain extent we're now seeing but don't underestimate the damage done to ou

. >> then a response from the incoming chairman of the senate armed services committee, senator john mccain. >> it's more than vandalism, it's a new form of warfare. >> plus brazil, geng rich, the company i like to keep on jeb bush's debut week on the president for campaign trail. this is a special edition of state of the union. good morning from ", i'm candy crowley. we are monitoring the ambush killing of two new york city police officers by a gunman, but for now, we want to turn to president obama who heads into 2015 on what he considers a high note. at his year end press conference friday, he declared 2014 a break through year for the country and said by any metric the u.s. resurgence is real. but he got the most attention when he said sony pictures made a mistake in cancelling the release of a movie after a cyber attack by north korea. before the president left for christmas vacation in hawaii, i spoke with him at the white house. >> first of all, happy holidays, thank you for joining us, appreciate it. >> happy holidays. >> i want to start out talking about sony and north korea becaus

doesn't john mccain no more about torture than the rest of us? >> no.hink john comes at it from one perspective. i've got a tremendous amount of respect for john mccain. these are different -- excuse me. these are very, very difficult kinds of issues. i wish this had been a bi-partisan report. i wish it had really tackled issue of what enhanced teargation techniques actually worked, which ones didn't, what we could learn from this to move forward. that's a major shortcoming of this report. it's a democrat, partisan report that doesn't enable us or give us any incite as to -- insight as to what we need to do as we move forward and as we moved in to the future. >> that's a major disappointment. >> i mean i would like to get back to senator mccain for a second. essentially, he said that these techniques that he calls torture are beneath the united states of america. beneath at a time congress. beneath the president of the united states to compliment. and you simply disagree with that? >> yeah, i mean, like i said, i respect john mccain's opinion. i hope he

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we credit a lot john mccain.'s hear what he had to say about this, because he's been tortured. >> i know from personal experience that the abuse of prisoners will produce more bad than good intelligence. i know that victims of torture will offer intentionally misleading information, if they think their captors will believe it. most of all, i know the use of torture compromises that which most distinguishes us from our enemies. our belief that all people, even captured enemies, possess basic human rights. >> john mccain, the expert. >> well, he's a living witness of the horrors of torture. he endured them in that awful vietnamese prison. so when john mccain says, thou shalt not, this is not american, and he supports the release of this report, the world's going to listen to him. this is going to cause problems. we have a middle east that's on fire, as it is. and any new thing that destabilizes the situation, that calls the u.s. into question, is a problem. just the idea of suppressing this report and the facts tha

he's one voice, carol, and for every john mccain -- >> how can you say he's wrong? duce other folks who have served who disagree respectfully with mr. mccain. i've listened to your show this morning. there's an honest disagreement as to the effectiveness of interrogation and torture. plenty of people say it's an important tool. all i'm saying is, war is messy. >> our cnn analyst, bob baer, said the cia cannot cite one specific example of how enhanced interrogation thwarted an attack, not one. >> bob baer -- >> they say they kind of led to stuff but they're not specific. he says the cia ought to be specific, and then maybe there wouldn't be an argument. >> they should be. bob baer also said he doesn't know -- >> how can you say it works when we don't have a specific incident? >> again, when you listen to our folks on the ground, and bob baer also said he doesn't know, i don't know, you don't know, which is why the cia should put it out there. the cia, our intelligence officials have said that interrogation methods helped lead to the capture of osama bin laden, helped

john mccain. home for the holidays. they try to cut a deal on the spending bill that many see as a lump of coal in there christmas stockings. >> here we are being black mailed to vote for an appropriations bill. this is a moral hazard. we are being asked to vote for a moral hazard. i'm enormously disappointed that the white house feel that is the only way they can get a bill is to go along with this. >> good day. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. we begin with breaking news where a computer failure snarled thousands of international flights. tom costello is here from washington and carry simmons in london. first to you. what happened and what was the result and how has it been fixed? >> this happened in an air traffic control center out of london. it's suddenly experienced a power failure. when that happened the control center and i will let carry get into the details of what the impact is. when that went down, london's airspace was at that moment kind of stuck. they don't want to use the word closed because they allow

i've traveled to vietnam with john mccain. him into the place where he had to survive for five or six years. i think that gave him a moral vision on this particular type of thing that he was utterly afraid to state in front of the whole country and the world. >> thank you for this. charles, from philly, go philly. >> i wore a red tie. >> i did go all the way. >>> the real meaning of naughty and nice this year. those words are childish and they seem to fils e fit politics these days rather niegsly. we'll be back with the place for politics. the green lights you? no. it's called grid iq. the 4:51 is leaving at 4:51. ♪ they cut the power. it'll fix itself. power's back on. quick thinking traffic lights and self correcting power grids make the world predictable. thrillingly predictable. twhat do i do?. you need to catch the 4:10 huh? the equipment tracking system will get you to the loading dock. ♪ there should be a truck leaving now. i got it. now jump off the bridge. what? in 3...2...1... are you kidding me? go. right on time. r

we want to take you arizona senator john mccain. the release of the senate intel report on interrogation. let's watch and listen. >> i have long believed some of these practices amounted to torture as a reasonable person would define it, especially, but not only the practice of water boarding which is a mock execution and an exquisite form of torture. its use is unnecessary and as the committee report makes clear, it produced little useful intelligence to help us track down the perpetrators of 9/11 or prevent new attacks and atrocities. i know from personal experience that the abuse of prisoners will produce more bad than good intelligence. i know that victims of torture will offer intentionally misleading information if they think their captors will believe it. i know they will say whatever they think their torturers want them to say if they believe it will stop their suffering. most of all, i know the use of torture compromises that which most distinguishes us from our enemies. our belief that all people, even captured enemies, po

i'm going to put that question to john mccain. we have him coming up after you about the drones versus the waterboarding and other things. >> sure. >> essentially, president obama and it there was an article today in one of the left wing newspapers, it might have been the "times" that said he is under pressure from the left wing of the democratic party to, you know, put the handcuffs on intel gathering. i have never understood that. i'm certainly we want to be a lawful nation and a humane nation but certainly we have to protect ourselves. but these people they just want to gut the intel agencies. and is the president is responding to that pressure or not? >> well, there is that pressure on the left first of all. i mean, had you democratic senator mark udall lost his election so he is leaving in a couple of weeks just yesterday saying john brennan and other top officials need to be fired are. >> later. yes, he did he. >> he would like to reign all of that in. might put more on intel agencies in terms of their behavior and activitie

it will be john mccain's right there. i mean, those words were so poignant and so directed at really his own party, who may say that this was a political witch hunt. i was going through the gop response. they said that, you know, this report did nothing to improve interrogation. that it gave the false impression the cia misled policymakers, no interviews of key witnesses. a laundry list of problems they had with the report. then john mccain goes out there and pretty much says, you know what, this was a stain on our national conscious and something we need to definitely improve on. as far as on the democratic side, ari, i was struck by one senator in particular's response who said -- harry reid said this is what was going on in the bush administration was wrong. john rockefeller, west virginia, former head of this committee, said that he was very troubled by how much the obama administration deferred to the cia in the last few years, the investigation regarding this report. showing you are the legislative branch and the ex

. >> senator john mccain spent christmas in kabul. >> thabl we are now in a time that with the proper support and proper effort and partnership with the united states in every way, including militarily -- >> the u.s. is prepared to leave, but some critics aren't sure afghanistan can stand on its on. >> john mccain will be going to iraq later today, another country where some believe the u.s. needs to be more involved. >>> well new yorkers will pay their final respect to one of the two nypd officers killed this past saturday. a public viewing will be today. as a makeshift memorial for officer ramos and his partner, the nypd made an arrest over threats to kill a police. they released this picture showing pictures of weapon recovered from a man's home. the weapons include firearms, two bullet proof vests, brass knuckles and a holster. >>> across the country and around the world, in fact, people celebrated christmas day, some with words of inspiration, others lending a helping hand. ron mot texas has more. >> around america and abroad, even outer space christmas is celebrated. >> e want t

folks, john mccain is dead wrong here. i have deep roots in hungary.idge named after me there. and the hungarian ambassador himself made me an honorary citizen. my only qualification, i am on tv. right there. s there's your proof. and folks, "the bold and the beautiful" is perfect training to be an ambassador. hungary is a region rife with drama and the constant threat-of-violence. exactly the situation of forrester family routinely handled from their pallacious estate while simultaneously running their fashion empire. and i am confident if colleen bell was able to handle the on-again, off-again paerj between sallie's daughter and thorn forrester whom she eventually lost to brook only to reunit with him before falling in love with recovering alcoholic deacon sharp, of course that was before she fell into a coma and her family pulled the plug, then yeah, i think colleen bell can handle a shirtless guy on a pony. (cheers and applause) the point is, come on, come on. amateur hour. the point is, i fully support colleen bell's appointment. to be the ambassa

senator john mccain who he, himself, survived torture in vietnam. much-awaited an passionate speech that set the tone for much of the day today. >> i know from personal experience that the abuse of prisoners will produce more bad than good. i know that victims of torture will lead to intentionally misleading information. i know they'll say whatever they think their torturers want them to say if they believe it will stop their suffering. this executive summary orr the committee's report makings clear that acting without conscience isn't necessary. it isn't even help vl in winning this strange and long world -- war we're fighting. we should be grateful to have that truth affirmed. >> we should be 0 to have that truth affirmed. is this it? the report was released today with a big thump. and partisan consequences and political consequences and moral consequences are really yet to be seen. what comes next here? what is next on msnbc. thank you so much for being here. >> good to be here. >> it has been a day to immerse ourselves in the data. all of this d

i don't always agree with john mccain who says that the truth is a hard sell to sw

maybe john mccain.aybe, given what happened to senator mccain, maybe i believe him when he says, i would never done this. for the majority of people -- >> you have to believe him. >> for the majority of people, i don't think they could have told you because the circumstances were so unique. i am told that people having to make the decision in the cia knew exactly what they were being asked to do. on the one hand, what was at stake. they agonized over it. what --l tie you that that there was agonizing at the leadership level inside cia to the point where the leadership said to itself, after they made the decision, we know this is going to come back to haunt us someday. we are going to do it anyway because we think it is the right thing. >> do you think dick cheney agonized over it? did.n't know whether he within the executive branch, there was agonizing. i do know that. because of the history i asked to be written to be written. in that history, you will see there is a meeting of the senior national secu

senator john mccain's office says mineral access is critical to national security.wns company. >> the copper market we're not sure where it will end up. >> reporter: mccain helped insert this issue into the bill. but to get a better sense of what is at stake here in arizona, i headed deeper into the app patchy's ancestral homeland. this is tonto national forest, you can see resolution popper mine in the distance. and that is where rio tinto is set to start operations. this land has been protected for more than half a century. this area is about an hour's drive east of phoenix, but veb yulely, the roads come to an end, to get there you have to hike over a patch work of brush and bramble at the edge of the desert. that's where i met one of many app patchies who still visit the land. her history can be traced here using these petroglyphs. >> it's like taking dynamite or bomb and blowing part of our territory open. opening up lands we felt safe in, where we lived in. >> our people still come here and have ceremonies here, and pray here, and it's sad to see it go away fr

but if john mccain's address this morning didn't put that to rest, i don't know what will. he's a hawk's hawk. he knows these issues -- >> ari, he has been against torture for quite some time. >> he has. which makes my point. he has been against tore fewer for quite some time. republicans have been. some have gotten around to a discussion about the senate report and whether releasing it is a good idea. john, it seems to me that that from the former republican nominee was significant and then "the new york times" reporting just this afternoon details from the report that show in-fighting within the cia, that this isn't about intelligence community versus everyone else. but real moral questions within the intelligence committee i was, including a high-ranking official, according to "the times," according to the report, which basically said this is a train wreck waiting to happen. i want off it. this doesn't work. we shouldn't be doing it. john, what do you make of those facts that are in the innards of the report itself in contrast to this sort of partisan narrative? >> i thi

we begin this evening with senator john mccain and his reaction to the senate intelligence committee report. >> i said, look, general, i sympathize with your job. i know what it is. i know there's threats to america. but i cannot countenance water boarding. i cannot countenance it. it is something that fits all of the description of torture. >> charlie: we continue with diane von furstenberg whose book is called "the woman i wanted to be." >> that's the one advice i tell every woman in the world, every person in the world that the most important relationship in life is the one you have with yourself because, once you have that, every other relationship is a plus and not a must. >> charlie: we conclude with al hunt on the story with senator tim kaine of virginia. >> i have been trying for months to get this vote. we're now 1500 combat advisors growing into iraq. three americans already killed in operation inherent resolve and congress hasn't even had a discussion or committee hearing or vote until we did it. we've done it and now i believe it is the will of both bodies, both parties.

. >> dave, what do you make of john mccain's assertion that ash carter seems like a nice guy and he'llave absolutely no say in dictating what we do in terms of defense? >> what i make of it, alex, is that it's going to be an exciting time for us journalists because there will be a lot of drama stirred up with ash carter when he takes over the pentagon and john mccain when he takes over the arms services committee. one of the flash points will be over money. you know sequestration will kick off next year and we expect it to. the money for the pentagon runs out next week, as you pointed out and there's no time to do any long-range cerebral planning of which ash carter is a champion and there's lots of other structural budget problems and basically the pentagon is running out of money and so the whole budget planning process is stumbling over itself which means there will be cost overruns and delays and acquisition programs and john mccain hates delays and overruns. >> so it's going to be spectacular. >> are you telling me john mccain isn't patient? i'm kidding. michael, let me ask you in